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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by dederocs(m): 6:04am On May 19*

To idolise (or idolize) means to admire, love, or revere someone to an excessive or unquestioning degree. It often involves putting someone on a pedestal, viewing them as flawless, or treating them with the extreme devotion typically reserved for an idol.

With this definition ask yourself, when pilgrims go to Mecca Medina, kissing stone, going round stone and being stampeded trying to reach the stone, what is that?

When they killed Deborah for speaking about their prophet, what is that?

When they say they can die for sharia law what is that?

The alter of the church you have cross or statute of the prophet, people kneeling and praying under it, what is that?

I believe in our indigenous traditional spirituality, all these foreign religions are a means of control, and a means for them to subjugate, they are not our culture or way, this is why despite the religious overzealousness, Nigeria is still the most corrupt, backward politicians and politics, despite sharia law in north they have a million terrorists there, and it is the jihadists territorists capital of the world. Countries like China who stick to their indigenous traditional spirituality, bhudism are developing, India stick with Hinduism, they are developing, but Nigerians still following religions they were conquered with, are we developing?

What is the benefit of these foreign religion to us?

Division, animosity, hate, jihadists territorists and poverty (almajiris)

All religions have a medium, or intermediary, they coin the word to make others look bad, but if you look at the real meaning of the word (idol), you will see all religions idolise.

if I was you I will stick to Orisa, it is genuine to you. It is an intermediary, just like Bhudda, Jesus and Mohammed, all mortals that lived in the past and had religions created after them by their adherents and the state. Traditional spirituality acknowledge the supreme being, they only use intermediary, in form of images, and all religions have images they revere, respect or are devoted to.

The colonisers who came to loot, kill and plunder tagged African traditions as dark and evil, and they planted that in the mind of their conquered Africans who use it to gaslight others that don't follow what they follow.

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by dederocs(m): 6:12am On May 19

macof:
Rev Fagbola

A reverand that is also a babaláwo

You know nothing and definitely not ready to know anything. You would have shared the video if you knew what you were talking about

Did Fagbola also say Olódùmarè had a son called ọrọ?

I want to post my thoughts here... From your moniker it seems safe to assume you are a celestial church member, a Christian organization known to be syncretists.. Mixing Yoruba Traditional knowledge with Christianity
So it's not odd at all that you will dubiously try to sell your Christian theology as being a part of Yoruba traditions too

Man choose religion, he can choose to follow two or more if he pleases...you are ignorant for gasligting traditional religion that is original to us, it is a slave mentality to value a foreign culture more than yours, due to ignorance. Read history and learn.

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by Urgent1Million: 6:13am On May 19

bilms:
Does Ifa support or condemn idol worshiping?

This is an important question needing knowledgeable answer.

Kindly shed more light on this

Every religion worships one or more idols.
An idol is a person/thing/idea that is greatly admired/loved/respected/revered/worshipped.
An idol can be a physical image or a mental representation.
Conventional religions have made the word "idol" sound like evil.
It is not.
Ifa worshippers use physical vessels, alters and carved figures such as Esu for worship.
Those objects are viewed by Ifa adherents the way Christians regard the cross as a symbolism of their faith, or the catholics and muslims regard the rosary and misbaha respectively.
Other religions may call them idols, just as other Christians regard catholics as idol worshippers. But the catholics themselves claim they don't worship idols.
Obviously, it may be difficult to give a simple yes or no answer to your question.

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by easiest(m): 6:15am On May 19

Start the question: Who is ifa?
From their things will be more clearer

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by Elzazzi: 6:16am On May 19

macof:
I have always known the saying to be "ifá loba, Orunmila losin" = Ifá is king, Orunmila is Supreme

I hope you realize that Ori (Eleda:the creator) is different from Olodumare?

Is Olodumare not the Lord of the heavens ? How is Elade different from Olodumare in the Yoruba language!

Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by femi4: 6:17am On May 19

bilms:
Does Ifa support or condemn idol worshiping?

This is an important question needing knowledgeable answer.

Kindly shed more light on this

Ifa does not support "idol worship" because it does not worship physical objects; it uses them as tools to worship the One Supreme God (Olodumare).

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by PulaPower: 6:19am On May 19

bilms:
Orisa are not worshipped
Orisa cannot be worshipped
Orisa are merely gifted people
Who were blessed with some unique skills
They are heroes and heroines of that time
That's why they called them orisa
Ori sa (the selected)
Literally,
Ori means head
Sa means selected
Orisa means someone selected by his head
Ori in Yoruba philosophy is used for eleda, the maker
So, orisa simply means the one selected by the maker

In other words, orisa are messengers
Through which people believe they can pass message to God
That's why we have many Orisa's, each with his own gift

You tried but Orisa is not even idol. The word idol belongs to those unfortunate Europeans, trying to ridicule our traditional ways of doing things.. Those white’s are the real idol worshipper..

For example: Sango, Ogun, Eshu, etc are not Idol. They’re simply spirit..

Ifa by the way is the great philosopher & a consultant. Irrespective of whichever spirit you believe in, if something strange comes up, it’s Ifa that they’ll consult to shed light and give details on what & why..

Eshu wey you dey see so, I mean Eshu Laalu Ogiri Oko, is not the same has the Satan in the Bible o! Our own Eshu is a spirit that can fight any evil & stop the evil from happening. Me, I no dey joke with Ogun & Eshu. Once in a while, I go give them their dues… The real meaning of give what belongs to ceaser, to ceaser! They’re protective to the core !

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by dederocs(m): 6:21am On May 19

Urgent1Million:
Every religion worships one or more idols.
An idol is a person/thing/idea that is greatly admired/loved/respected/revered/worshipped.
An idol can be a physical image or a mental representation.
Conventional religions have made the word "idol" sound like evil.
It is not.
Ifa worshippers use physical vessels, alters and carved figures such as Esu for worship.
Those objects are viewed by Ifa adherents the way Christians regard the cross as a symbolism of their faith, or the catholics and muslims regard the rosary and misbaha respectively.
Other religions may call them idols, just as other Christians regard catholics as idol worshippers. But the catholics themselves claim they don't worship idols.
Obviously, it may be difficult to give a simple yes or no answer to your question.

You are enlightened and wise. Only a few have the privilege of insight.

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by Netmuch(m): 6:23am On May 19

Opiletool:
Below is a comment from Celestial777 made in another similar thread.

"Ifa loba
Orisa losin
Eledumare nikan lo to gbe okan Le

Odu irete
Ifa condemn idol worshiping
Ori ni a ba bo..a ba fi Orisa sile...ijo
Ti ori ngbeni nibo ni Orisa wa

Let's now talk about Orisa
What is an Orisa? Orisa is someone great that has live on earth before.
Awon ti ori sa so to
That is why you get the term orisa
Is like using the name of baba Oyedepo to pray
Like God of Oyedepo
So Orisa is a medium to get to Eledumare Agotun
Like in Catholic each profession has its own patron saint.
E.g saint Peter patron of fishermen
Saint Thomas Aquinos patron of sailors
So Saint Ogun is Patron of blacksmith and welders

Eledumare only is to be worshipped....the means is now left with you.
I chose to go through Christ for a reason cos
The story of creation said Eledumare and His only son word (oro) were the only one present when the world was about to be created.
Eji ogbe say so
And my Bible said the same
2. Secondly it is only Jesus that knows what happens when we die ..i mean after life
The Prophet Mohammed s.a.w
Said he dont know what will happen to him at death but Sheikh Ali and the rest should always pray for him...
3. Ifa said the good Priest and all those that venerated there Ifa well well while on earth will have surplus to eat at imere
That is why when a babalawo want to give kudos to his late boss he will say ...ki awo ire ma je ni imere
4.Jesus said in my Father's house there are many mansion there if no be so i will not say so

Listen that never mean I condemn any religion cos I know there are predestined Muslim and predestined ifa priest as well.
Well to me i know they will make heaven..very sure cos they are predestined.
Someone said what about Orumila
Baba is just a witness when humans are choosing destiny
Eleri ipin.....means witness to Destiny"

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by koladata(m): 6:24am On May 19

You can’t properly discuss a subject without understanding its origin and historical context. The word “idol” historically referred to an image or representation used in worship, especially in Abrahamic religions, and over time it became associated with “false gods” in Christian and Islamic teachings. The term itself existed long before modern generations or social media culture.

Ifa in Yoruba civilization is far more than what many outsiders reduce it to. Ifa is an ancient Yoruba system of knowledge, philosophy, spirituality, poetry, mathematics, memory encoding, and divination that existed centuries before colonialism...... Historical research traces organized ifa traditions back many hundreds of years before European contact with West Africa, particularly within the oyo empire and earlier Yoruba kingdoms.

ifa contains the Odu ifa, a highly structured body of verses and symbolic patterns used for preserving history, ethics, medicine, astronomy, language, and decision-making. The system operates through combinations and patterns that many scholars compare to mathematical logic and binary structuring.

As someone with a Bsc in Computer Science abroad , I can confidently say that the binary principle, the use of dual states (01100111011) or combinations existed in Ifa divination long before computer was invented, the 256 Odu (which could now mean 256 bit in computer) are generated from combinations of binary like patterns made with palm nuts or sacred marks. Some researchers and historians of mathematics have pointed out similarities between the structure of Ifa and binary logic later formalized in computer science.

However, it would not be historically accurate to claim that modern computer binary was directly copied from Ifa because of some earlier mathematical scientist who had used this same model before the invention of computer.... but what is true is that Ifa demonstrates that African civilizations had advanced systems of logic, symbolic computation, and knowledge organization long before modern computers existed.

Civilizations existed, communication with God existed, developed science existed, philosophy, and systems of order existed long before christianity reached many parts of Africa in the 15th century and before Islam spread widely across West Africa between the 11th and 16th centuries. Understanding that history is important before dismissing indigenous African knowledge systems.

If is not Just a religion to the Yoruba, it was our mathematics (Eni , Eji , Eta) , it was our language, It was our music (most new generation gospel musician can't go one verse without mentioning olodumuare), it was our way of life during the oyo empire.

bilms:
Please do not bring any other religion into this discuss. This is strictly about ifa.

Secondly, whatever your definition of idol worshiping is, does ifa support or condemn idol worshiping?

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by Eniitankorede: 6:30am On May 19

bilms:
Does Ifa support or condemn idol worshiping?

This is an important question needing knowledgeable answer.

Kindly shed more light on this

Ifa and idol worship are the same. Ifa derives from worshipping idol and it prescribes solutions that is based on idol worship. Ifa will tell you to worship idol as part of solutions to problems.

Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by Hussein035: 6:32am On May 19

aremuforlife:
I'm not trying to bring any other religions here but only references to the religion that makes our religion to look like idol worshipping.
IFA does not support idol worshipping because it emphasises much on OLODUMARE.
Though there other gods like the "ORISA".
The orisa are not worshipped, they are only been appeased.

Differential between appease and worship?

Also explain the act involved in worship and appease?

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by samuelson06(m): 6:34am On May 19

bilms:
Does Ifa support or condemn idol worshiping?

This is an important question needing knowledgeable answer.

Kindly shed more light on this

Ifa itself is an idol. There's no way an idol god would be fighting its followers from not worshipping another idol.

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by lawani(m): 6:41am On May 19

samuelson06:
Ifa itself is an idol. There's no way an idol god would be fighting its followers from not worshipping another idol.

IFA is a language or communication tool with the spirit realm

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by Kog45(m): 6:42am On May 19

bilms:
Does Ifa support or condemn idol worshiping?

This is an important question needing knowledgeable answer.

Kindly shed more light on this

Pls what is IFA and IDOL WORSHIPING?IFA priests and followers worship idol,so this is not question to be asked

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by tete7000(m): 7:01am On May 19

bilms:
Does Ifa support or condemn idol worshiping?

This is an important question needing knowledgeable answer.

Kindly shed more light on this

What is an idol? Is there any word like idol worshipping in ifa dictionary or is the word idol worshipping ever arise until Christianity came?

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by dederocs(m): 7:10am On May 19

Eniitankorede:
Ifa and idol worship are the same. Ifa derives from worshipping idol and it prescribes solutions that is based on idol worship. Ifa will tell you to worship idol as part of solutions to problems.

Going to Saudi Arabia, spending millions, just to circle and kiss stone is what?

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by IamAtAnger: 7:15am On May 19*

Wetin ur indigenous traditional spirituality don invent towards world development since history?..

dederocs:
To idolise (or idolize) means to admire, love, or revere someone to an excessive or unquestioning degree. It often involves putting someone on a pedestal, viewing them as flawless, or treating them with the extreme devotion typically reserved for an idol.

With this definition ask yourself, when pilgrims go to Mecca Medina, kissing stone, going round stone and being stampeded trying to reach the stone, what is that?

When they killed Deborah for speaking about their prophet, what is that?

When they say they can die for sharia law what is that?

The alter of the church you have cross or statute of the prophet, people kneeling and praying under it, what is that?

I believe in our indigenous traditional spirituality, all these foreign religions are a means of control, and a means for them to subjugate, they are not our culture or way, this is why despite the religious overzealousness, Nigeria is still the most corrupt, backward politicians and politics, despite sharia law in north they have a million terrorists there, and it is the jihadists territorists capital of the world. Countries like China who stick to their indigenous traditional spirituality, bhudism are developing, India stick with Hinduism, they are developing, but Nigerians still following religions they were conquered with, are we developing?

What is the benefit of these foreign religion to us?

Division, animosity, hate, jihadists territorists and poverty (almajiris)

All religions have a medium, or intermediary, they coin the word to make others look bad, but if you look at the real meaning of the word (idol), you will see all religions idolise.

if I was you I will stick to Orisa, it is genuine to you. It is an intermediary, just like Bhudda, Jesus and Mohammed, all mortals that lived in the past and had religions created after them by their adherents and the state. Traditional spirituality acknowledge the supreme being, they only use intermediary, in form of images, and all religions have images they revere, respect or are devoted to.

The colonisers who came to loot, kill and plunder tagged African traditions as dark and evil, and they planted that in the mind of their conquered Africans who use it to gaslight others that don't follow what they follow.

Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by hegelian: 7:25am On May 19

simpleseyi:
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What is idol worshipping? Is it the type that Catholics do by worshipping the statues of Nary and Jesus or the ones Pentecostals do by worshipping their Pastors?

or the one muslims do by bowing down to the kaabah, kissing the black stone or putting ,uhammed name in every worship indirectly worshipping him or the one where you are not praying unless you face the kaabah or the one where you sacrifice ram or goat every year calling it eid or the one that you do allahu akbar 7times during eid to continue the tradition of muhammed pain and mystery... the greatest idol worshippers are muslims

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by Boyooosa(m): 7:30am On May 19

Opiletool:
Below is a comment from Celestial777 made in another similar thread.

"Ifa loba
Orisa losin
Eledumare nikan lo to gbe okan Le

Odu irete
Ifa condemn idol worshiping
Ori ni a ba bo..a ba fi Orisa sile...ijo
Ti ori ngbeni nibo ni Orisa wa

Thanks for this explanation, quite educative
Mw, I will like to find out, what is ifa itself?

Let's now talk about Orisa
What is an Orisa? Orisa is someone great that has live on earth before.
Awon ti ori sa so to
That is why you get the term orisa
Is like using the name of baba Oyedepo to pray
Like God of Oyedepo
So Orisa is a medium to get to Eledumare Agotun
Like in Catholic each profession has its own patron saint.
E.g saint Peter patron of fishermen
Saint Thomas Aquinos patron of sailors
So Saint Ogun is Patron of blacksmith and welders

Eledumare only is to be worshipped....the means is now left with you.
I chose to go through Christ for a reason cos
The story of creation said Eledumare and His only son word (oro) were the only one present when the world was about to be created.
Eji ogbe say so
And my Bible said the same
2. Secondly it is only Jesus that knows what happens when we die ..i mean after life
The Prophet Mohammed s.a.w
Said he dont know what will happen to him at death but Sheikh Ali and the rest should always pray for him...
3. Ifa said the good Priest and all those that venerated there Ifa well well while on earth will have surplus to eat at imere
That is why when a babalawo want to give kudos to his late boss he will say ...ki awo ire ma je ni imere
4.Jesus said in my Father's house there are many mansion there if no be so i will not say so

Listen that never mean I condemn any religion cos I know there are predestined Muslim and predestined ifa priest as well.
Well to me i know they will make heaven..very sure cos they are predestined.
Someone said what about Orumila
Baba is just a witness when humans are choosing destiny
Eleri ipin.....means witness to Destiny"

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by wale2020: 7:55am On May 19

aremuforlife:
It depends on what you mean by idol worshipping
The 2 leading religions makes us believed that if you don't belong to either of the religion, you are automatic an idol worshippers.
IFA is a religion and ways of life of a particular race and it's an intermediary between mankind and OLODUMARE.

IFA is not a religion, but there is religion in it. IFA is not a way of life, but you can live your life in it. IFA is much more deeper.
I'm a Christian. I'm Yoruba.

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by rafcrown(m): 8:06am On May 19

They condemned idols but they are still protecting,preserving,hiding and admonishing idols stolen from Africa.

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by rafcrown(m): 8:07am On May 19

They condemned idols but they are still protecting,preserving,hiding and admonishing idols stolen from Africa.

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by seaboyzen: 8:07am On May 19

wale2020:
IFA is not a religion, but there is religion in it. IFA is not a way of life, but you can live your life in it. IFA is much more deeper.
I'm a Christian. I'm Yoruba.

May God bless you

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by qtx(m): 8:10am On May 19

bilms:
Does Ifa support or condemn idol worshiping?

This is an important question needing knowledgeable answer.

Kindly shed more light on this

What is ifa itself? Is it not an idol ? Or there is something about ifa that I need to know?

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by samuelson06(m): 8:14am On May 19

lawani:
IFA is a language or communication tool with the spirit realm

No. Stop this confusion. Which spirit realm exactly? There are so many realms. Which one does Ifa helps you to access. At least, NOT holy realms of God. Walk away from that thing. It'll destroy your life. Bet me.

Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by Rajiokazaki(m): 8:15am On May 19

[quote author=Opiletool post=79988000]Below is a comment from Celestial777 made in another similar thread.

"Ifa loba
Orisa losin
Eledumare nikan lo to gbe okan Le

Odu irete
Ifa condemn idol worshiping
Ori ni a ba bo..a ba fi Orisa sile...ijo
Ti ori ngbeni nibo ni Orisa wa

Let's now talk about Orisa
What is an Orisa? Orisa is someone great that has live on earth before.
Awon ti ori sa so to
That is why you get the term orisa
Is like using the name of baba Oyedepo to pray
Like God of Oyedepo
So Orisa is a medium to get to Eledumare Agotun
Like in Catholic each profession has its own patron saint.
E.g saint Peter patron of fishermen
Saint Thomas Aquinos patron of sailors
So Saint Ogun is Patron of blacksmith and welders

Eledumare only is to be worshipped....the means is now left with you.
I chose to go through Christ for a reason cos
The story of creation said Eledumare and His only son word (oro) were the only one present when the world was about to be created.
Eji ogbe say so
And my Bible said the same
2. Secondly it is only Jesus that knows what happens when we die ..i mean after life
The Prophet Mohammed s.a.w
Said he dont know what will happen to him at death but Sheikh Ali and the rest should always pray for him...
3. Ifa said the good Priest and all those that venerated there Ifa well well while on earth will have surplus to eat at imere
That is why when a babalawo want to give kudos to his late boss he will say ...ki awo ire ma je ni imere
4.Jesus said in my Father's house there are many mansion there if no be so i will not say so

Listen that never mean I condemn any religion cos I know there are predestined Muslim and predestined ifa priest as well.
Well to me i know they will make heaven..very sure cos they are predestined.
Someone said what about Orumila
Baba is just a witness when humans are choosing destiny
Eleri ipin.....means witness to Destiny"

Do you have a page where you share knowledge and interact with folks huh

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by CloudKnight: 8:17am On May 19

All religions are man made. Know this and have peace of mind.

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by Alfuad: 8:26am On May 19*

You are totally wrong regarding Prophet Muhammad's knowledge about what will happen after death.

Perhaps what you were referring to is where he was asked about the time of the last hour (end of earth) which he said he doesn't know. You may also be referring to this hadeeth:
The Prophet (PBUH) said, "None of you will enter Paradise by his good deeds alone." They asked, "Not even you, O Messenger of Allah?" He said, "Not even me, unless Allah covers me with His grace and mercy."

That's humility, because Allãh Ta'ãlã has promised him in the Qur'an of His mercy on him and his exalted place in Jannah.

Now, to your statement regarding life after death, I don't think you've read the Qur'an at all, because several verses of the Qur'an explicitly explain life after death. Likewise, there are many ahaadeeth explaining that. They are so explicit that some shoot films to represent these narrations.

In fact, Islam discusses what happens from the point of death till one ends up in paradise or hell.
You can check these verses of the Qur'an:

And the record (of everyone’s deeds) is set in place; and you will see the disbelieving criminals filled with dread because of what is in it, and they will say: Alas, woe is ours! What is this record? It leaves out nothing, be it small or great, but it is accounted! They have found all that they did confronting them (in the forms thereof particular to the Hereafter). And Your Lord wrongs no one. (Qur’an, Surah al-Kahf, 18:49).

Whereas it is said to those who keep from disobedience to God in reverence for Him and piety: What is it that your Lord sends down (on the Messenger)? They answer: That which is purely good and to our benefit (in both worlds). For those devoted to doing good in this world, aware that God is seeing them, there is good, and the abode of the Hereafter is indeed better. How excellent indeed, is the abode of the God-revering, pious! Gardens of perpetual bliss which they will enter, through which rivers flow. Therein they will have whatever they may desire. Thus does God reward the God-revering, pious – Those whose souls the angels take while they are in a pious state (free of evil, and worshipping none but God alone), saying: Peace be upon you! Enter Paradise for what you have been doing. (Qur’an, Surah al-Nahl, 16:30-32).

(They will be seated) on lined thrones (encrusted with gold and precious stones), reclining upon them, facing one another. There will go round them immortal youths, with goblets, and ewers, and a cup from a clear-flowing spring, from which no aching of the head ensues, nor intoxication of the mind; and with fruits such as they choose, and with the flesh of fowls such as they desire; and (there will be) pure maidens, most beautiful of eye, like pearls kept hidden (in their shells). A reward for all (the good) that they used to do. They will hear there neither vain talk nor accusing speech; (they will hear) only speech (wishing) peace and security after peace and security. (Qur’an, Surah al-Waqiʿah, 56:15-26).

God has promised the believers, both men and women, Gardens through which rivers flow, therein to abide, and blessed dwellings in Gardens of perpetual bliss; and greater (than those) is God’s being pleased with them. That indeed is the supreme triumph. (Qur’an, Surah al-Tawbah, 9:72).

Though they will be in sight of each other. Every disbelieving criminal will yearn to ransom himself from the punishment of that Day even by his sons, and his wife and his brother, and all his kinsfolk who sheltered him, and whoever else is on the earth, all of them, so that he might then save himself. (Qur’an, Surah al-Maʿarij, 70:11-14).

(As for) those who consume the property of the orphans unjustly, surely they only swallow fire into their stomaches and they shall enter burning fire. (Qur’an, Surah al-Nisa’, 4:10).

Whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense (in the Hereafter) is hell, therein to abide; and God has utterly condemned him, excluded him from His mercy, and prepared for him a tremendous punishment. (Qur’an, Surah al-Nisa, 4:93).

So then, however has done an atom’s weight of good will see it; and whoever has done an atom’s weight of evil will see it. (Qur’an, Surah al-Zilzal, 99:7- cool

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The Day when they will come forth (from death), with nothing of them being hidden from God. Whose is the absolute Sovereignty on that Day? It is God’s, the One, the All-Overwhelming (with absolute sway over all that exist). (Qur’an, Surah al-Mu’min, 40:16).

Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by Iyobaba: 8:29am On May 19

PulaPower:
You tried but Orisa is not even idol. The word idol belongs to those unfortunate Europeans, trying to ridicule our traditional ways of doing things.. Those white’s are the real idol worshipper..

For example: Sango, Ogun, Eshu, etc are not Idol. They’re simply spirit..

Ifa by the way is the great philosopher & a consultant. Irrespective of whichever spirit you believe in, if something strange comes up, it’s Ifa that they’ll consult to shed light and give details on what & why..

Eshu wey you dey see so, I mean Eshu Laalu Ogiri Oko, is not the same has the Satan in the Bible o! Our own Eshu is a spirit that can fight any evil & stop the evil from happening. Me, I no dey joke with Ogun & Eshu. Once in a while, I go give them their dues… The real meaning of give what belongs to ceaser, to ceaser! They’re protective to the core !

The beautiful aspect in the Yoruba religion is that each house hold has it own Orisa(s). In most cases these households are one way or the other related to the Orisa.
In some cases, when certain things happen to people in a household frequently, they consult with IFA eleri ipin, they get answers. Some households might be told to " bo " egun or oro. In some cases, IFA will instruct them to "bo" Orisa idile
I don't think there's a perfect translation of the Yoruba word "bo".
You can decide to "bo" Ogun or Sango, even though you've no connection to them but IFA eleri ipin will guide you to also "bo" the Orisa(s) from your households.
IFA has all the answers and IFa does not lie.

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by Iyobaba: 8:31am On May 19

Alfuad:
You are totally wrong regarding Prophet Muhammad's knowledge about what will happen after death.

How come he didn't see all his children will die before him except Fatima that died a few months after him ?

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Re: Does Ifa Support Or Condemn Idol Worshiping? by Expanse2020(m): 8:37am On May 19

Opiletool:
Below is a comment from Celestial777 made in another similar thread.

"Ifa loba
Orisa losin
Eledumare nikan lo to gbe okan Le

Odu irete
Ifa condemn idol worshiping
Ori ni a ba bo..a ba fi Orisa sile...ijo
Ti ori ngbeni nibo ni Orisa wa

Let's now talk about Orisa
What is an Orisa? Orisa is someone great that has live on earth before.
Awon ti ori sa so to
That is why you get the term orisa
Is like using the name of baba Oyedepo to pray
Like God of Oyedepo
So Orisa is a medium to get to Eledumare Agotun
Like in Catholic each profession has its own patron saint.
E.g saint Peter patron of fishermen
Saint Thomas Aquinos patron of sailors
So Saint Ogun is Patron of blacksmith and welders

Eledumare only is to be worshipped....the means is now left with you.
I chose to go through Christ for a reason cos
The story of creation said Eledumare and His only son word (oro) were the only one present when the world was about to be created.
Eji ogbe say so
And my Bible said the same
2. Secondly it is only Jesus that knows what happens when we die ..i mean after life
The Prophet Mohammed s.a.w
Said he dont know what will happen to him at death but Sheikh Ali and the rest should always pray for him...
3. Ifa said the good Priest and all those that venerated there Ifa well well while on earth will have surplus to eat at imere
That is why when a babalawo want to give kudos to his late boss he will say ...ki awo ire ma je ni imere
4.Jesus said in my Father's house there are many mansion there if no be so i will not say so

Listen that never mean I condemn any religion cos I know there are predestined Muslim and predestined ifa priest as well.
Well to me i know they will make heaven..very sure cos they are predestined.
Someone said what about Orumila
Baba is just a witness when humans are choosing destiny
Eleri ipin.....means witness to Destiny"

Op
The real question is that
Ifa, Orunmila and others were human themself, was a human being before during the time they are alive the Olorisa ppl (ibile) people fail to established what each of them worshipped when they were alive but they want to mislead people and they said we should be worshiping idol... Instead of worshiping true God.....

This isese people don missed road tae tae there where just looking for ppl to misled

According to your post now saying ifa and John are confirming each other we can clearly state Christianity and ifa worshipper go hand in hand ....
Since ifa confirming bible verse and it's ok since you are both in line 🤣🤣🤣

But Infrared that prophet Muhammad s.a.w. didn't know where he his going or don't know what they will do to him... You are just wasting your time on your ignorance...

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