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| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by QuinQQ: 12:25am On May 22 |
PastorAIO:God did not literally author or command these bad laws; rather, He allowed Israel the natural consequences of their own rebellion. When Israel insisted on serving false gods, God removed His protective restraint, allowing them to fall into the horrific practices of the surrounding pagan nations, including human sacrifice. Thus the text reflects God "allowing" these detestable practices to play out, using their ultimate failure to teach Israel that He alone is the Lord! |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:04am On May 22 |
When critics quote verses for intolerant inquisitors instead of the later to go and ask others regarding the verse {Matthew 7:7-8} most of them just swallow whatever the critic quote for them and start judging the Bible.🙂 Just imagine someone quoted Ezekiel 20:25-26 I also allowed them to follow regulations that were not good and judicial decisions by which they could not have life. I let them become defiled by their own sacrifices—when they made every firstborn child pass through the fire—in order to make them desolate, so that they would know that I am Jehovah. Ezekiel 20:25-26 But instead of the inquisitor to continue asking Bible believers what our God meant in the verse he started quoting the erroneous translation and expecting everyone to agree with his hasty conclusion. Well if you are truly interested to know why God said what is quoted in the Bible book of Ezekiel 20:25-26 it was a direct response to a question asked by one of God's faithful servants named Habakkuk who asked God: Your eyes are too pure to look on evil; you cannot tolerate wrongdoing. Why then do you tolerate the treacherous? Why are you silent while the wicked swallow up those more righteous than themselves? Habakkuk 1:13 NIV So God said He allowed these people to do such things not that He instituted it: They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire—something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind. Jeremiah 7:31 NIV So if you want to learn humble yourself and ask questions! Proverbs 2:1-5🙂 |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:56am On May 22 |
MaxInDHouse:God arranged for His message so that mankind can know who is the true God out of all the spirits (demons) claiming God. So God used His message as a knockout to silence all demons but the demons didn't just fold their arms they fought back by disguising as angels of God to misconstrue God's message to humans {2Corinthians 11:14} they used the same book but it's their own agents that was carrying it {2Corinthians 11:15} while they keep on fighting against God's faithful servants! Revelation 2:10 So how can we be assured that what we have is the perfect word of God as revealed from the divine? God promised that during the endtime His word will be used to achieve global peace among His true worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} but if that didn't happen then it means the word still has certain errors or is filled with misinformation. Today what God promised has been fulfilled that is evidence that God's word has been perfectly preserved!🙂 |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 7:53am On May 22 |
QuinQQ:This one is presenting a schizophrenic hallucination as evidence that he has peace. |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 7:59am On May 22 |
I remember you better now. You’re a JW. The fakest of the lot, with your own twisted mistranslation of bible. Na tat ti, means to give, not to allow. There is no context in Hebrew where it means to allow. Lying JW. MaxInDHouse:
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| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 8:38am On May 22 |
The entire bible is replete with human sacrifice to yhwh there is no way to duck it. Whether it is Abraham sacrificing Isaac. God demanding the first born of ever living thing including humans. All the way up to Jesus being a sacrifice to yhwh. There is no way to dodge it. |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 8:41am On May 22 |
1King 22: 23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:43am On May 22*. Modified: 9:54am On May 22 |
PastorAIO:Do you think it's always direct tongues are translated? Well you err greatly because there are instances where you have to consider the context before concluding on what someone said. For instance two people met on the road and based on their previous discussions before then one asked the other: What is on ground? English Wetin dey ground? Pidgin Kí ló wà nílẹ̀? Yorùbá So someone who can speak the language translated it to: What is that on the ground? Do you think the translator is right?🙂 Ọmọ context matters when translating languages there are many things to consider not just what you read or heard. The same book said God can't stand evil deeds {Habakkuk 1:13} so do you think your translator is correct about this same person?🙂 |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Theawakensoul(op): 9:14am On May 22 |
QuinQQ:Honestly, I think this is one of the most mature comments in the discussion so far. Because you’re touching something very important: 👉 human limitation. And I actually agree with you on several points. Yes: 👉 ultimate reality may go beyond complete human comprehension 👉 many philosophical questions remain unresolved 👉 and no human being fully grasps existence itself. Questions like: 👉 “Why does anything exist?” 👉 “Why suffering?” 👉 “Why consciousness?” 👉 “Why is reality structured this way?” have challenged philosophers, mystics, scientists, and theologians for thousands of years. So I’m not pretending humans possess absolute answers. But here’s where I slightly differ from your conclusion. You said: 👉 if God is omnipotent, then God can preserve His message perfectly through human history. And logically, yes,an omnipotent being COULD do that. But the real question is not: 👉 Could God do it? The real question is: 👉 What does history actually show happened? Because when we study biblical history honestly, we clearly see: 👉 different manuscript traditions 👉 translation differences 👉 removed books 👉 debated canons 👉 scribal changes 👉 church councils 👉 theological disputes 👉 political influence over doctrine Those are historical realities. So my point is not: 👉 God is incapable. My point is: 👉 humans and institutions clearly played major roles in shaping, preserving, interpreting, and organizing religious texts over centuries. And recognizing that should not automatically destroy spirituality. If anything, it should make people more humble and conscious about how belief systems develop historically. Now regarding your statement about questioning collapsing everything… I actually think questioning can do two very different things: 👉 it can destroy shallow certainty BUT 👉 it can also deepen understanding. Because sometimes inherited belief is fragile precisely because it was never examined consciously. And honestly, I don’t think faith and questioning must always be enemies. Sometimes questioning removes: 👉 fear 👉 blind dogma 👉 inherited assumptions 👉 institutional conditioning while leaving behind something more genuine, thoughtful, and mature. You also said: 👉 humans should focus on things that strengthen faith. I understand that psychologically. But personally, I think truth-seeking matters too. Because history shows that humans can sincerely believe things for centuries that later turn out to be: 👉 incomplete 👉 manipulated 👉 symbolic 👉 culturally conditioned 👉 or misunderstood. So I don’t think asking: 👉 “How did these texts form?” 👉 “Who preserved them?” 👉 “How were doctrines shaped?” is rebellion against truth. To me, that IS part of seeking truth honestly. And maybe humility is not only admitting: 👉 “humans don’t know everything.” Maybe humility is also admitting: 👉 “our inherited beliefs and institutions may not be beyond examination either.” I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL (TAS) QUESTIONING EVERYTHING |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Truthseeker10: 9:19am On May 22 |
PastorAIO:Lol |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Theawakensoul(op): 9:26am On May 22 |
QuinQQ:I actually understand your point more than you may think. And honestly, I agree that: 👉 faith 👉 meaning 👉 hope 👉 and belief can have very real benefits in human life. They can help people: 👉 survive suffering 👉 find direction 👉 stay emotionally grounded 👉 build discipline 👉 and maintain psychological stability. I don’t dismiss that at all. But I think the deeper issue is this: 🔥 Should something be protected from examination simply because it feels valuable or useful? Because throughout history, many ideas gave people: 👉 comfort 👉 certainty 👉 emotional security 👉 social belonging and yet were still incomplete, mistaken, or influenced by culture and power structures. You asked: 👉 What’s the purpose of this truth-seeking? To me, the purpose is consciousness. Not blind destruction of belief… but understanding: 👉 why we believe what we believe 👉 how beliefs formed 👉 what parts are history 👉 what parts are symbolism 👉 what parts are institutional 👉 and what parts may contain genuine spiritual insight. Because there’s a difference between: 👉 inherited certainty and 👉 consciously examined understanding. You also said: 👉 Faith is not strengthened by constant questioning. Sometimes that’s true. But then we should ask: 👉 what kind of faith completely collapses under honest investigation? Because personally, I think mature spirituality should be able to face: 👉 history 👉 archaeology 👉 philosophy 👉 contradictions 👉 difficult questions without panic. Not because humans can know absolute truth perfectly… but because seeking understanding is part of growth itself. And honestly, I agree with you about one thing: absolute truth may remain beyond full human grasp. But that realization should produce: 👉 humility not 👉 fear of questioning. Because if humans are limited… then all of us: 👉 believers 👉 skeptics 👉 religious institutions 👉 philosophers 👉 spiritual teachers should remain open to deeper understanding. My point has never been: 👉 “destroy faith.” My point is: 👉 fear-based certainty is not the same thing as truth. And maybe spirituality becomes deeper when people stop believing only because they are afraid… and start exploring consciously. I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL (TAS) QUESTIONING EVERYTHING |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by Theawakensoul(op): 9:48am On May 22 |
SIRTee15:Honestly, this is one of the strongest and most informed responses I’ve seen in the discussion so far. And I think it’s important to acknowledge something clearly: 👉 the Dead Sea Scrolls ARE extremely important discoveries. They absolutely show remarkable textual stability in large portions of the Hebrew Bible, especially books like Isaiah. And yes, many scholars agree that Jewish scribal traditions preserved texts with very high levels of consistency over long periods. I don’t deny that at all. But I think there’s still an important distinction being missed here. Because when people discuss: 👉 textual development 👉 editing 👉 transmission 👉 canon formation 👉 translation 👉 institutional influence that does NOT automatically mean: 👉 “the Bible was completely rewritten every generation.” Those are different claims. For example: textual criticism studies things like: 👉 manuscript variations 👉 added passages 👉 omitted verses 👉 translation differences 👉 scribal harmonizations 👉 evolving interpretations 👉 and debates over which books belonged in the canon at all. And historically, those things DID happen. Even many Christian scholars acknowledge: 👉 some passages were later additions 👉 some manuscripts differ 👉 some books had disputed status for centuries 👉 and canon formation involved historical debates and institutional decisions. Now regarding your main question: 👉 “Why would corruption suddenly stop after 250 BC?” I actually think the issue is the word “corruption” itself. Because the historical discussion is usually more nuanced than: 👉 evil scribes secretly rewriting everything. What scholars often describe is: 👉 gradual development 👉 copying variations 👉 editorial processes 👉 theological emphasis 👉 transmission differences 👉 and institutional standardization over time. And once textual traditions became more formalized and carefully preserved, naturally stability increased. That’s not unusual historically. Many traditions become more standardized over time once communities establish: 👉 stricter copying systems 👉 recognized authoritative texts 👉 scribal discipline 👉 and communal protection of manuscripts. So the existence of textual stability AFTER certain periods does not automatically erase: 👉 earlier developmental history 👉 editorial layers 👉 oral transmission before writing 👉 or canon debates later on. Also remember: the Dead Sea Scrolls mainly concern the Hebrew Bible / Old Testament. They do not suddenly solve all questions regarding: 👉 New Testament textual history 👉 canon selection 👉 church councils 👉 translation philosophy 👉 doctrinal development 👉 or interpretation. So honestly, I think the evidence points to something more balanced: 👉 there WAS significant preservation AND 👉 there WAS undeniable human involvement in transmission, interpretation, canon formation, and historical development. Those two realities can exist together. And personally, I think acknowledging complexity strengthens honest discussion more than reducing everything to: 👉 “perfectly untouched” or 👉 “completely corrupted.” Reality is usually more nuanced than either extreme. I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL (TAS) QUESTIONING EVERYTHING |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by QuinQQ: 2:08pm On May 22 |
PastorAIO:Do schizophrenic hallucinations fall down window curtains while hurriedly escaping?? I said fearlessness. Evidence of my peace is within me |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by QuinQQ: 3:32pm On May 22 |
Theawakensoul: Theawakensoul:Erudite and well written. Thanks for the compliment. Let me address your points one by one as I read them. 1. You said you slightly disagree but didn't say how: do you agree that something as important to omnipotent God as transmission of his words would not be left to chance and human vagaries, that they'd end up getting to us exactly as he meant them to get to us? 2. It is NOT "fear-based certainty", it is CHOICE-based certainty. I CHOOSE to believe these are God's words exactly as he intended us to have them. And there is no way you can disprove that. 3 You did not say how the very first few questions will not collapse everything: Where did God come from, who created God? If God is so human-like and so into human affairs, why doesn't he simply show himself directly in a way that leaves nothing to doubt? Why do unspeakable evil and massive natural disasters exist? Why is the all-important earth so tiny that, on a cosmic scale, it is invisible even by a powerful microscope (100 quintellionth the size of a grain of sand)(and there could be multiple universes)? You CAN'T and will NEVER be able to answer those questions. Our belief in God is based on intuition and direct experience, NOT endless questioning of the unanswerable! 4. There are questions that are beneficial (like scientific questionings). Then there are questions that are merely for intellectual amusement because they're about things that are unknowable (like who/what created God?) 5. I believe we'll do well to acknowledge that faith is a matter of personal conviction, intuition, and direct experience, which then led to CHOICE. Not a matter of asking unanswerable questions *The earth is smaller than one of these 50 to 100 quitillion atoms in a grain of sand (below), on a cosmic scale
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| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by dofman: 5:37pm On May 22 |
Antiislaam:Now you know your book nah porn book ahaaa Song of Solomon 7:6-12 How beautiful you are and how pleasing, my love, with your delights! Your stature is like that of the palm, and your breasts like clusters of fruit. I said, “I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.” May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine. May the wine go straight to my beloved, flowing gently over lips and teeth. When will you climb the tree nah ? 🤣🤣 |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by doffman: 5:46pm On May 22 |
AntiisIam:You know me nah . I used to destroy you with evidence . You are too small . Your book na porn book . Yes or no ? 🥷 |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by AntiisIam(m): 5:57pm On May 22 |
doffman:You mean the book here? Quran 78:33 Muhammad Sarwar maidens with pears-shaped breasts who are of equal age (to their spouses Quran 78:33 Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar and full breasted maidens of the same age Quran 78:33 Talal Itani & AI And full-breasted companions of equal age. Quran 78:33 Umm Muhammad (Sahih International) And full-breasted [companions] of equal age Quran 78:33 Abdul Majid Daryabadi And full-breasted maidens of equal age Quran 78:33 Ali Ünal Buy And youthful, full-breasted maidens of equal age I said make I help you repost nii o |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by doffman: 6:09pm On May 23 |
AntiisIam:Which fake book . The corrupt book has been casted nah
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| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by AntiisIam(m): 6:44pm On May 23 |
dofman:Sebi porn book wey allah give you here abi Quran 10:94 Irving & Mohamed Hegab If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you, then question those who have read the Book (Bible) before you: Truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by AntiisIam(m): 6:55pm On May 23 |
doffman:Sule, you see those porn verses in quran? That is your expectations be that in alujana, na because of that you go kpaii ontop Islam |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by AntiisIam(m): 10:23pm On May 23 |
dofman:Depe, kundus fun prophet ẹ Sule
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| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by SIRTee15: 3:13am On May 24 |
doffman:My pagan friend, are u better equiped to answer my questions now or u want to continue your waffling. I gave u enough space and time to research my 6 questions. I will be repeating them here |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by doffman: 12:31pm On May 24 |
SIRTee15:🤣🤣🤣 pagan himself , the enemy of God that chose human as his god . Na you refuse to answer my question nah . |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by doffman: 12:43pm On May 24 |
AntiisIam:Enjoy yourself with your bibeli Song of Solomon 4:5: "Your two breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle, that graze among the lilies." (Repeated in Song of Solomon 7:3) Can you read that loud in the market using mega speaker 🔊 Agbakan religion |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by dofman: 12:56pm On May 24 |
AntiisIam:1 king 11: 3 He had 700 wives, who were princesses, and 300 concubines. And his wives turned away his heart How does he handle 1000 women ? 🤣 |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by dofman: 12:59pm On May 24 |
AntiisIam:Even you self no nah . Bibeli agabako keh! War book self |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by AntiisIam(m): 2:01pm On May 24 |
dofman:Sebi the one recommended for you by allah? |
| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by AntiisIam(m): 2:05pm On May 24 |
dofman:Bobo, na 71some your anobi Sule dey do. Omo dis one tun gba degree than your anobi. After this, I go show you his 100some. Dis your anobi Sule na ultimate warrior ![]()
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| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by AntiisIam(m): 3:48pm On May 24 |
doffman:Ati Solomon ati Anobi ẹ Sule for quran, they are the same person sogbo Depe See your anobi Sule in 91some, this one did more than your anobi wey dey inside koto aye. Na agbbako wetin you go call this your hoely book like dis?
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| Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by SIRTee15: 5:14pm On May 24 |
doffman:stone licker I answered all your questions. But u refused to answer mine. Question number 1. RESOLVE THIS CONTRADICTION. God told Prophet Moses, tell the people not to bow to a stone because I hate it. Leviticus 26.1 ‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God. Deuteronomy 16.22 22 and do not erect a sacred stone, for these the Lord your God hates. Now according to Muslims, same God told your prophet to tell the people to bow before a stone. How would God give 2 contradictory message to his own prophets. Are u saying God changed his mind? Why did God tell Muhammed it's ok to bow before a stone but told Moses he hates it when people bow before a stone. Answer the question? |
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