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John 10:16 is actually one of the strongest difficulties for the two-class view. Jesus does not say two flocks under one shepherd. He says the result is one flock, one shepherd. How and why you missed that is mysterious. The very verse being cited resolves the distinction into unity.
Matthew 15:24 also cannot carry the weight being placed on it. It describes a temporary stage in Jesus' earthly ministry, not a permanent division of believers. Matthew 28:19–20 explicitly expands the mission to all nations. And while Matthew 5:5 and Psalm 37:29 promise inheritance of the earth, neither says those inheriting the earth are excluded from God's presence. In fact, Revelation 21–22 ends with heaven and earth united, God dwelling with humanity. Scripture's final vision is not two permanently separated peoples, but one redeemed people under one God much like John 10:16 itself says; one flock, one shepherd.

MaxInDHouse:
Both statements protrudes from the mouth of the same person: Jesus.

So he told first century Jewish disciples saying:

“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd." John 10:16

What he always tell his Jewish disciples is that he has no business with gentiles {Matthew 15:24} and that is because it's his Jewish disciples that must go and preach to gentiles {Matthew 28:19-20} so his first set of disciples are to be chosen as his corulers in heaven while the rest are to enjoy everlasting life on planet earth {Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:29} after all evildoers has been removed from the planet! Psalms 37:7-11; Proverbs 2:20-22

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John 10:16 is actually one of the strongest difficulties for the two-class view. Jesus does not say two flocks under one shepherd. He says the result is one flock, one shepherd. How and why you missed that is mysterious.

Well go and ask other religions claiming Christians it's only among Jehovah's Witnesses we have members who will go to heaven while the rest in our millions will live forever on planet earth yet we are in one organization. John 10:16
Do you understand that scriptures now? John 10:16🙂

Now you are asking John 10:16 to do two different jobs. Earlier it was presented as evidence for two distinct classes of believers with different destinies. Now it is being presented as evidence that two groups can exist within one organization. Those are not the same claim. But the verse itself does not discuss organizational structure or separate eternal destinations. It gives the outcom as one flock, one shepherd. The question remains simple where does John 10:16 explicitly say that one group goes permanently to heaven while another remains permanently on earth? It doesn't. The distinction is being supplied from outside the verse, while the verse itself emphasizes unity, not a permanent division into two eternal classes.

MaxInDHouse:
Well go and ask other religions claiming Christians it's only among Jehovah's Witnesses we have members who will go to heaven while the rest in our millions will live forever on planet earth yet we are in one organization. John 10:16
Do you understand that scriptures now? John 10:16🙂

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Now it is being presented as evidence that two groups can exist within one organization.

That is exactly what Jesus is saying you can read it again and again it's not rocket science joo!
God promised to save all inhabitants of planet earth through Abraham's descendants {Genesis 12:3} a child will be born among them {Isaiah 9:6} and his rulership will be forever {Isaiah 9:7} Jews were the chosen race because they already have all the details written in the scriptures given to them {Zechariah 8:23} Jesus confirmed that salvation will be attainable through the Jews {John 4:22} that is why he told his first century Jewish disciples to go only to the Jews {Matthew 10:6 compare to Matthew 15:24} it's after the Jews have gotten the message clearly that they will take it to all other nations! Matthew 28:19-20

God will choose 144,000 among the Jews to rule with Christ Jesus {Revelation 7:5-8; 14:1} those who will rule with Christ are to be taken to heaven. John 14:1-3

That is why there are two groups of people under the same umbrella as the ones who will inherit the earth will join them in worshiping God through what Jesus taught us. John 10:16

I know you only wish to criticize what you read in the Bible so if that is what makes you sleep well you can continue arguing with churchgoers they will entertain you will endless and aimless arguments but if you want clarity in what the Bible teaches come and ask Jehovah's Witnesses. 😂

I've read it repeatedly. The issue isn't what the verse says; it's what is being added to it. John 10:16 says one flock, one shepherd.It does not say one organization containing two permanent classes with two eternal destinations. If that meaning were truly obvious from the text, it would be the dominant historical interpretation. Instead, the longstanding mainstream reading is that the other sheep are Gentiles brought into one people of God alongside Jewish believers. .The burden is therefore not on others to reread the verse, but on the two-class interpretation to show where the verse actually says what it is claimed to say. So far, it still says the same thing: one flock, one shepherd

MaxInDHouse:
That is exactly what Jesus is saying you can read it again and again it's not rocket science joo!😂

Your emoji depicts how serious you take your statements.

The emoji shows how laughable you are with your funny arguments!

Jesus said he is gathering only Jews for the work he wants to assign his disciples {Matthew 10:6} they are to rule with him in heaven {John 14:1-3} but they shouldn't forget other sheep will join them as his disciples {John 10:16} and they will all be in the same organization.

Perhaps it's the word "ORGANIZATION" that's confusing you:

It simply means ORGANIZED PEOPLE even though they are not of the same class there will be rulers as well as subjects in the same organization.🙂

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I've read it repeatedly. The issue isn't what the verse says; it's what is being added to it. John 10:16 says one flock, one shepherd.It does not say one organization containing two permanent classes with two eternal destinations. If that meaning were truly obvious from the text, it would be the dominant historical interpretation. Instead, the longstanding mainstream reading is that the other sheep are Gentiles brought into one people of God alongside Jewish believers. .The burden is therefore not on others to reread the verse, but on the two-class interpretation to show where the verse actually says what it is claimed to say. So far, it still says the same thing: one flock, one shepherd


Your emoji depicts how serious you take your statements.

Muslims with their funny behavior!😂

You even expect churchgoers to come and join you in arguing with me when everything is clear!😂

Very inconsistent! The argument keeps changing while the text stays the same. John 10:16 has been used here to argue for two eternal classes, then one organization containing two classes, and now rulers and subjects within that organization. Yet the verse itself says none of those things. It says one flock, one shepherd doesn't it?
The same issue appears with Matthew 10:6. If Matthew 28:19–20 expands the mission to all nations, then Matthew 10:6 was a temporary restriction, not evidence of a permanent two-tier destiny. And John 14:1–3 says Christ will receive his followers to himself, but it never limits that promise to 144,000 or excludes others from it. Those conclusions are being supplied from elsewhere.
More importantly, for nearly two millennia the dominant reading of John 10:16 has been that the other sheep are Gentiles brought into one people of God alongside Jewish believers. The text explicitly states the outcome is one flock. The burden is on the two-class interpretation to show where the verse teaches rulers and subjects or separate eternal destinies. So far, that language is coming from the framework, not from the verse. Where exactly do you stand?

MaxInDHouse:
The emoji shows how laughable you are with your funny arguments!

Jesus said he is gathering only Jews for the work he wants to assign his disciples {Matthew 10:6} they are to rule with him in heaven {John 14:1-3} but they shouldn't forget other sheep will join them as his disciples {John 10:16} and they will all be in the same organization.

Perhaps it's the word "ORGANIZATION" that's confusing you:

It simply means ORGANIZED PEOPLE even though they are not of the same class there will be rulers as well as subjects in the same organization.🙂

I'm only giving you the clearer picture of what Jesus said in that verse.

There are two sets of disciples one set will rule over the other set that's what makes them two flocks but they will all become one under one leader Jesus.

You keep making it funnier as you want to prove it's not clear whereas the book those Arabs gave you can't be of any use if i want to ask you questions regarding your faith!😂

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Very inconsistent! The argument keeps changing while the text stays the same. John 10:16 has been used here to argue for two eternal classes, then one organization containing two classes, and now rulers and subjects within that organization. Yet the verse itself says none of those things. It says one flock, one shepherd doesn't it?
The same issue appears with Matthew 10:6. If Matthew 28:19–20 expands the mission to all nations, then Matthew 10:6 was a temporary restriction, not evidence of a permanent two-tier destiny. And John 14:1–3 says Christ will receive his followers to himself, but it never limits that promise to 144,000 or excludes others from it. Those conclusions are being supplied from elsewhere.
More importantly, for nearly two millennia the dominant reading of John 10:16 has been that the other sheep are Gentiles brought into one people of God alongside Jewish believers. The text explicitly states the outcome is one flock. The burden is on the two-class interpretation to show where the verse teaches rulers and subjects or separate eternal destinies. So far, that language is coming from the framework, not from the verse. Where exactly do you stand?

The issue isn't clarity; it's consistency. In this thread alone, John 10:16 has been used to argue for separate eternal classes, one organization with two groups, rulers and subjects, and two flocks becoming one. The interpretation keeps changing, but the text does not. jesus says the other sheep will be brought in and the result will be "one flock, one shepherd." He does not mention separate destinies, rulers and subjects, or permanent classes. Those ideas come from the framework, not the verse. If two flocks become one flock, then the text is describing unity, not an eternal division. Maybe your co travellers in this faith can help you articulate your position which keeps changing

MaxInDHouse:
I'm only giving you the clearer picture of what Jesus said in that verse.

There are two sets of disciples one set will rule over the other set that's what makes them two flocks but they will all become one under one leader Jesus.

You keep making it funnier as you want to prove it's not clear whereas the book those Arabs gave you can't be of any use if i want to ask you questions regarding your faith!😂

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Jesus says the other sheep will be brought in and the result will be "one flock, one shepherd."

Because the first flock of sheep are lost ones from the house of Israel only {Matthew 10:6} but then there are also humble people in other lands who will like to know the truth about God and submit themselves to pure worship so they will be brought in through the preaching and teaching that the first flock (from Israel) will go and do in all other lands! Matthew 28:19-20

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He does not mention separate destinies, rulers and subjects, or permanent classes. Those ideas come from the framework, not the verse.

He has mentioned it in his teachings that the first set of sheep from Israel will rule with him {Matthew 19:28} that is why his twelve apostles are the foundation stones of his rulership {Revelation 21:14} but the total number of his corulers is 144,000. Revelation 7:5-8; 14:1

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If two flocks become one flock, then the text is describing unity, not an eternal division. Maybe your co travellers in this faith can help you articulate your position which keeps changing.

They are one in the sense that they are worshiping the same God under the same ruler: Christ Jesus.
But there destination is not the same place.
You are just arguing blindly because everyone knows that when we talk of a government there must be a government house where the rulers are gathered but that doesn't mean the rulers are not part of the same nation!🙂

The government analogy considering your ruling submission actually weakens the point. Rulers and citizens belong to the same nation, under the same jurisdiction, sharing the same common destiny. They are not permanently separated into different realms. The analogy supports unity, not a lasting division.
More importantly, the chain of verses does not explicitly establish what is being claimed. Matthew 19:28 gives a promise to the twelve apostles; it does not identify a 144,000-member ruling class. Revelation 21:14 names the apostles as foundation stones; it does not extend that role to 144,000 co-rulers. Those connections are inferred, not stated.
And that brings us back to John 10:16. If the end result is "one flock, one shepherd," then the burden is to show where the text turns that unity into two permanently separate destinies. The verse itself never does. It ends with one flock. You really need assistance to properly lay out your points if there are any more remaining to make.

MaxInDHouse:
Because the first flock of sheep are lost ones from the house of Israel only {Matthew 10:6} but then there are also humble people in other lands who will like to know the truth about God and submit themselves to pure worship so they will be brought in through the preaching and teaching that the first flock (from Israel) will go and do in all other lands! Matthew 28:19-20


He has mentioned it in his teachings that the first set of sheep from Israel will rule with him {Matthew 19:28} that is why his twelve apostles are the foundation stones of his rulership {Revelation 21:14} but the total number of his corulers is 144,000. Revelation 7:5-8; 14:1


They are one in the sense that they are worshiping the same God under the same ruler: Christ Jesus.
But there destination is not the same place.
You are just arguing blindly because everyone knows that when we talk of a government there must be a government house where the rulers are gathered but that doesn't mean the rulers are not part of the same nation!🙂

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Rulers and citizens belong to the same nation, under the same jurisdiction, sharing the same common destiny. They are not permanently separated into different realms.

So all Nigerians stay in one government house in Abuja shey?😂

You keep making this funnier each time you want to argue because we all know that rulers and subjects don't stay in the same place even though they belong to the same nation.

And unlike democratic rule where you have to change them periodically God has said His own system of government will not be passed around to other people {Daniel 2:44} so those who are going to rule with Christ will be with him forever in heaven! 1Thessalonians 4:17

The funny thing is you want everything to be written in just one single verse whereas even your Quran never taught you like that!😂

So all Nigerians live inside Aso Rock because they're part of one country? 😂 Really now;
You keep making the analogy work against your own argument. Everyone knows rulers and subjects can belong to the same government without living in the same place.
The Bible also says God's Kingdom will never be handed over to another government in Daniel 2:44, unlike human governments where leaders come and go. So if Christ and his co-rulers are part of that everlasting Kingdom, why would their role be temporary?
And regarding one flock, one shepherd, the verse emphasizes unity under one Shepherd, not that everyone must occupy the same position or location. Unity of purpose doesn't automatically mean identical assignments or destinations.
What's really funny is that you expect every doctrine to be squeezed into a single verse, yet neither the Bible nor the Quran teaches that way. We understand teachings by comparing related passages, not by demanding that every detail be packed into one sentence.

MaxInDHouse:
So all Nigerians stay in one government house in Abuja shey?😂

You keep making this funnier each time you want to argue because we all know that rulers and subjects don't stay in the same place even though they belong to the same nation.

And unlike democratic rule where you have to change them periodically God has said His own system of government will not be passed around to other people {Daniel 2:44} so those who are going to rule with Christ will be with him forever in heaven! 1Thessalonians 4:17

The funny thing is you want everything to be written in just one single verse whereas even your Quran never taught you like that!😂

MaxInDHouse:
First century disciples of Christ makes mistakes and people thought Jesus and his followers are false prophets just as you are doing to Jehovah's Witnesses today but you can never ever find a better replacement! John 6:66-68🙂

No. We can make mistakes, but we do not tell lies. Your organization actually lies.

What's better performing in an organization united in lies?

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I understand the argument regarding Eusebius, and a 209-year chain of transmission is a strong case for preserving knowledge of authorship and general provenance however my point is narrower. Establishing that Luke wrote Acts is not the same as establishing the evidential status of every event Luke records. The question is not whether early Christians knew Luke's sources, but whether a visionary experience relayed through witnesses and later narrated by Luke should be evaluated differently from ordinary historical reporting. Authorship and epistemic reliability are related issues, but they are not identical.

I understand you just want to argue for argument sake. A reported event does jot always have to be done by eyewitnesses to be true. Luke evidentially made extensive research, interviewed eye witnesses and had several eye witnesses who read his books and never disputed his writings. You're arguing as if Luke or Eusebus were the only sources of truth for what they wrote. Just write a book right now and insert unverified claims with a lot of false narratives, let's see if your book would stand. These people had contemporaries who knew better than themselves. The fact that Lukes books were accepted by the early Church is enough proof that it was honest. The fact that Eusebus' claims were not countered by any of his contemporaries is enough proof of their veracity. You can't expect us to jettison the judgement of contemporaries for that or men like you who lived over 2,000 years after the actual events.

On Cornelius, your distinction between acceptability and salvation is clear. However, Acts 10 still raises a difficulty for a strictly bounded reception model. God not only recognized Cornelius before Peter arrived; the Holy Spirit fell on him and his household before baptism, before formal incorporation, and before Peter finished speaking. If reception itself can occur prior to the formal mechanism, then Acts 10 appears to show God acting beyond the institutional sequence rather than exclusively through it. The chapter seems to present the mechanism as affirming what God had already done, not as the sole channel through which reception became possible.

What you don't understand is that salvation is spiritual and not mechanical. Faith is the most important factor in salvation. The moment you have faith in the Word that is preached or being preached, that Word will cleanse you and give you a spiritual rebirth. That's why Jesus said "Ye are cleansed through the Word that I have spoken unto you" John 15:3. Cornelius believed everything Peter preached, and was cleansed by that Word. His spirit became born again because of his faith in the Word (John 1:12), and was therefore counted worthy of the Holy Spirit. God had to take that proactive action to baptise them in the Holy Spirit because Peter wouldn't have granted them such a privilege. You can see he was not even planning water baptism for them. He said "Who can forbid these from being baptized, seeing they have received the Holy Spirit just as we". Meaning, we can no longer forbid them since they have even received something much higher. God wanted Cornelius to come in completely into His family. Knowing that Peter would keep him at the door, God took proactive steps that relegated Peter to the background. Cornelius was cleansed and saved through the Word that Peter spoke to him. God had to baptize him in the Holy Spirit because Peter wouldn't do it. His mindset was that God probably wanted gentiles to come a little closer, but God showed him He wanted them all in.

This is not something exclusive to Cornelius. I myself received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit on the 6th of July, 2000 in my room. Nobody preacher or prayed for me. There are several others who have the same testimony.

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Everyone knows rulers and subjects can belong to the same government without living in the same place.

Exactly!
So both those rulers going to heaven who will rule over earth and their subjects on planet earth belongs to the same kingdom (government) of God but they are not going to live in the same place!🙂

FxMasterz:
No. We can make mistakes, but we do not tell lies. Your organization actually lies. What's better performing in an organization united in lies?

The same way Jews concluded that the apostles are LIARS!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
The same way Jews concluded that the apostles were LIARS!🙂

No! That's another lie.

The Jews didn't search the Scriptures. They only concluded. Those who searched got saved. The Pharisees deliberately rejected them because they don't want a decline of Judaism. The apostles themselves reject many liars who came up. We have searched the scriptures and gave found you to be liars. We didn't just conclude. Your claims run contrary to scriptures and therefore expose you as liars.

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Bible nor the Quran teaches that way.

Do you compare God's word (Bible) with that your useless and worthless book?

Oya answer just few questions using that your book!

Where did God create Adam and Eve?

Heaven or Earth?

Let's see if that your useless Quran is able to answer any question at all!😂

FxMasterz:
No! That's another lie.
The Jews didn't search the Scriptures. They only concluded.

Are you saying the Pharisees who taught apostle Paul the scriptures don't search the scriptures?😂

Ọmọ they surely searched the scriptures the only problem is they don't want to subject themselves under Jesus' followers because they can see their mistakes just as everyone today can see the mistakes of Jehovah's Witnesses but where both you and the Pharisees failed woefully is you can't find a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

That is what sincere researchers who are searching scriptures are interested in! John 6:68-69

MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying the Pharisees who taught apostle Paul the scriptures don't search the scriptures?😂

Ọmọ they surely searched the scriptures the only problem is they don't want to subject themselves under Jesus' followers because they can see their mistakes just as everyone today can see the mistakes of Jehovah's Witnesses but where both you and the Pharisees failed woefully is you can't find a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

That is what sincere researchers who are searching scriptures are interested in! John 6:68-69

So, you cut off what I said about the Pharisees and used my Jews response as response regarding the Pharisees? It's the same type of lies and falsehoods that your organization is known for. You're just hearing the fruits of your organization.

FxMasterz:
So, you cut off what I said about the Pharisees and used my Jews response as response regarding the Pharisees? It's the same type of lies and falsehoods that your organization is known for. You're just hearing the fruits of your organization.

So what is the fruit of your own religion?

Let's compare to know which is really the truth?

Of course your religion remains ANONYMOUS!😂

MaxInDHouse:
So what is the fruit of your own religion?

Let's compare to know which is really the truth?

Of course your religion remains ANONYMOUS!😂

I'm a Christian. I do not lie. I do not deceive people. I do not fabricate doctrines. I do not cut off people's statements to say what they didn't say. I believe Jesus is the Son of God according to the Bible. I don't believe Jesus is an angel because the Bible didn't say so. I believe Jesus is my everlasting King because the Bible says so. I don't believe that Jesus started reigning in 2014 because the Bible didn't say so.

I believe only in what the Bible says or directly implies. I do not believe in human formulated doctrines. I'm a blind follower of Jesus Christ. I follow Jesus blindly because I am too confident in His leadership.

FxMasterz:
I'm a Christian.

This is where you failed woefully!

The ORGANIZED PEOPLE unitedly doing the will of God as followers of Jesus are the ones called "CHRISTIANS" not someone who can't be seen.

So pick your lamba if you don't belong to any known group anyone can just make the same claim as in all the many different religions claiming Christians surely have individuals making the same claim joo!😂

Adam and Eve were created on earth. That's not in dispute. The problem is that it doesn't address the argument being made.
The question is not where humanity began, but how Scripture describes the final state of God's people. Revelation 21–22 presents that final vision as God dwelling with humanity on earth. So pointing back to Eden does not establish a permanent two-class system with separate eternal destinations. It simply answers a different question. If the two-class framework is correct, it still has to be reconciled with Scripture's closing vision, not its opening chapters.

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly!
So both those rulers going to heaven who will rule over earth and their subjects on planet earth belongs to the same kingdom (government) of God but they are not going to live in the same place!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Do you compare God's word (Bible) with that your useless and worthless book?

Oya answer just few questions using that your book!

Where did God create Adam and Eve?

Heaven or Earth?

Let's see if that your useless Quran is able to answer any question at all!😂

On transmission, the point about Luke's contemporaries and the early Church's acceptance is well taken. Establishing authorship and general reliability matters. The narrower point is simply that confirming Luke accurately recorded an event is not the same as evaluating the evidential status of a visionary experience within that event. Those are related questions, but they are not identical.
On Cornelius, Acts 10 actually strengthens the point under discussion. God intervened before Peter fully understood what was happening and poured out the Spirit before baptism, before formal incorporation, and before Peter had finished speaking. The sequence matters. Cornelius did not receive the Spirit because Peter authorized it; Peter recognized God's work because Cornelius had already received the Spirit. The institution did not create the reality, it acknowledged a reality God had already established.
So the disagreement is quite narrow. Faith, the Word, and the Spirit are central. The question is whether any human institution determines where God may act. Acts 10 presents God acting first and the institution adjusting afterward.

FxMasterz:
I understand you just want to argue for argument sake. A reported event does jot always have to be done by eyewitnesses to be true. Luke evidentially made extensive research, interviewed eye witnesses and had several eye witnesses who read his books and never disputed his writings. You're arguing as if Luke or Eusebus were the only sources of truth for what they wrote. Just write a book right now and insert unverified claims with a lot of false narratives, let's see if your book would stand. These people had contemporaries who knew better than themselves. The fact that Lukes books were accepted by the early Church is enough proof that it was honest. The fact that Eusebus' claims were not countered by any of his contemporaries is enough proof of their veracity. You can't expect us to jettison the judgement of contemporaries for that or men like you who lived over 2,000 years after the actual events.



What you don't understand is that salvation is spiritual and not mechanical. Faith is the most important factor in salvation. The moment you have faith in the Word that is preached or being preached, that Word will cleanse you and give you a spiritual rebirth. That's why Jesus said "Ye are cleansed through the Word that I have spoken unto you" John 15:3. Cornelius believed everything Peter preached, and was cleansed by that Word. His spirit became born again because of his faith in the Word (John 1:12), and was therefore counted worthy of the Holy Spirit. God had to take that proactive action to baptise them in the Holy Spirit because Peter wouldn't have granted them such a privilege. You can see he was not even planning water baptism for them. He said "Who can forbid these from being baptized, seeing they have received the Holy Spirit just as we". Meaning, we can no longer forbid them since they have even received something much higher. God wanted Cornelius to come in completely into His family. Knowing that Peter would keep him at the door, God took proactive steps that relegated Peter to the background. Cornelius was cleansed and saved through the Word that Peter spoke to him. God had to baptize him in the Holy Spirit because Peter wouldn't do it. His mindset was that God probably wanted gentiles to come a little closer, but God showed him He wanted them all in.

This is not something exclusive to Cornelius. I myself received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit on the 6th of July, 2000 in my room. Nobody preacher or prayed for me. There are several others who have the same testimony.

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Adam and Eve were created on earth.

Please quote it from your Quran.

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Scripture describes the final state of God's people. Revelation 21–22 presents that final vision as God dwelling with humanity on earth.

Now in your Quran where will the Paradise your Allah promised it's worshipers be?
Heaven or earth?🙂

There is no Muslim with all their imams not even all your scholars in Islam can answer this questions using your Quran:

Where did your Allah create Adam and Eve in the beginning heaven or earth?

Where will the Paradise your Allah said righteous people will be heaven or earth?🙂

I'm waiting for any so called Muslim to please use your Allah's Quran to answer these two questions EXPLICITLY!😂

The Quran presents Adam’s story in a clear sequence: We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape; Quran 15:26 shows Adam’s earthly origin. He is then placed in the Garden: O Adam, dwell you and your wife in Paradise…Quran 2:35, followed by“Get down, all of you from it…(Quran 2:38).
This shows a temporary Garden experience followed by life on earth. The Quran then consistently describes Paradise (Jannah) as a reward after resurrection and judgment, not the present earth. So the pattern is: earthly creation → temporary Garden → earthly life → final Paradise in the afterlife.
The Quran places Paradise (Jannah) in the afterlife, not on the present earth. Quran 2:25:Gardens beneath which rivers flow…
Quran 4:57:We shall admit those who believe and do righteous deeds to gardens beneath which rivers flow.
So directly: Paradise is not earth; it is the post-resurrection reward (heaven/afterlife realm).

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote it from your Quran.


Now in your Quran where will the Paradise your Allah promised it's worshipers be?
Heaven or earth?🙂

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Quran 15:26
Quran 2:35,
Quran 2:38).
Quran 2:25:
Quran 4:57

Where will the Paradise be heaven or earth?🙂