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femi4:
Forgiveness has always come with shedding of blood even in your 72V seeking religion

Even in Numbers 31:17-18, people had to be killed for Yahweh to get booty of virgins! Numbers 31:40.

The only difference is that unlike the blood of animals, which required continuous repetition and could merely symbolize purification, the blood of Jesus was a sinless, perfect, and once-for-all sacrifice

When John the Baptist was preaching was there any blood sacrifice involved in his preachings? And it is not all sins that require blood sacrifice even from your Bible.

The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son will not bear the iniquity of his father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son. The righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked man will fall upon him. Ezekiel 18:20

GravityDefier:
Let's take these four instances:

SCENARIO 1
When the oxen stumbled and the Ark of the Covenant began to fall off the cart, Uzzah reached out to steady it with his hands. No unauthorized person was to touch the Ark, Uzzah was struck dead on the spot. -- (2 Samuel 6:6-7)

SCENARIO 2
Saul took it upon himself to perform the priestly sacrifice before a battle, a duty GOD RESERVED STRICTLY for the prophet Samuel. Instead of an immediate execution, the consequence was the loss of his dynasty; his kingdom would be torn away from his family line and given to another. --(1 Samuel 13:9-14)

SCENARIO A
The Holy of Holies was meant for only the high priest and was only accessible once in a year when atonement would be performed.
And the Priest had to perform some cleansing for himself first, otherwise na OYO be him case -- instant death.


SCENARIO B
From scenario A above, the Holy of Holies has now been moved to the human body (1 Corinthians 6:19–20 :The Believer's Body).
Touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm (Psalm 105:15) -- This is a warning. It is God's declaration warning foreign powers and oppressors to leave His Holy of Holies/ chosen people alone.
But today, bandits and terrorists can kidnap, molest/maim this same temple of God with God inside of it.


Scenarios 1 & 2 are related with different outcomes.

While scenarios A & B are also closely related with different outcomes.

See, you are using the word "related" and not the word "the same" which means that even you appreciate that all those cases are different from each other. Uzziah's case is exactly like Aaron's sons case. Saul was already rejected aka banished by God hence his resort to paganism and even though The Holy of Holies resides in the Ark of the covenant, that does not prevent God from anointing humans as He did to Moses. So, you are mixing them up because you are only looking at them superficially

AntiChristian:
What kind of god places sins on his own sinless son who happens to be himself?

Can you give me a cogent sensible reason why your Arab chief deity wants to place the sins of Muslims on Christians and Jews?!

Islam is a faike copy copy reliiligion.

When it comes to religion comparison, Muslims should keep shut because Islam is the most fiake reliiiigion in the world. Northing about Islam is original. Everything na copy copy!!!

Dtruthspeaker:
See, you are using the word "related" and not the word "the same" which means that even you appreciate that all those cases are different from each other. Uzziah's case is exactly like Aaron's sons case. Saul was already rejected aka banished by God hence his resort to paganism and even though The Holy of Holies resides in the Ark of the covenant, that does not prevent God from anointing humans as He did to Moses. So, you are mixing them up because you are only looking at them superficially

I actually wanted you to assess the Uzziah Vs Saul's case and the last scenario.

I used the word "related" on purpose.

That was a nice conversation though Dtruthspeaker 🙌

GravityDefier:
I actually wanted you to assess the Uzziah Vs Saul's case and the last scenario.

I used the word "related" on purpose.

That was a nice conversation though Dtruthspeaker 🙌

Oh! Ok .
It was nice and mentally stimulating.

Please, can you weigh in on the argument I'm having with TenQ. on polygamy. He thinks that God gave David, Saul's wives, meanwhile the remaining part of that passage means that God too gave him men (homose things) and their wives too.

In violation of God's express Commandment , "Neither shall he multiply wives to himself," Deuteronomy 17:17

I know it has since been said that God supports polygamy but I have asked everyone if it so, how then does a person do polygamy without being guilty of adultery? And none of the polygamist supporters have been able to give a valid answer. So, i would love to see your thoughts on it Don't worry take your time to think and research about it. Its even a little difficult for me to respond because I am occupied with a little delicate work that I want to ensure that it comes out right. So, i may not be here for the next 2/3days

Dtruthspeaker:
Oh! Ok .
It was nice and mentally stimulating.

Please, can you weigh in on the argument I'm having with TenQ. on polygamy. He thinks that God gave David, Saul's wives, meanwhile the remaining part of that passage means that God too gave him men (homose things) and their wives too.

In violation of God's express Commandment , "Neither shall he multiply wives to himself," Deuteronomy 17:17

I know it has since been said that God supports polygamy but I have asked everyone if it so, how then does a person do polygamy without being guilty of adultery? And none of the polygamist supporters have been able to give a valid answer. So, i would love to see your thoughts on it Don't worry take your time to think and research about it. Its even a little difficult for me to respond because I am occupied with a little delicate work that I want to ensure that it comes out right. So, i may not be here for the next 2/3days

I don't have much idea about polygamy.

Although, majority believes God supported polygamy in the times of old but frowns at it during this dispensation (this grace era)

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet, we saw Him forgive a lot when the thief on the cross asked for forgiveness, he got it or is it when Isreal begged for forgiveness several times in the desert and in the promised land.

The bible god never forgives, read the book

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet, we saw Him forgive a lot when the thief on the cross asked for forgiveness, he got it or is it when Isreal begged for forgiveness several times in the desert and in the promised land.

Well your examples actually proves my point. Cos In the Bible, forgiveness is rarely unconditional. The thief on the cross is forgiven only after repentance, and Israel is repeatedly forgiven only after punishment, suffering, or divine intervention. God doesn't often just forgives, but only after demanding repentance, sacrifices, obedience, or judgment first.

So when people say "God forgives," they're usually referring to forgiveness with conditions attached. My point is that an all-loving being could simply forgive without requiring bloodshed, punishment, or threats of judgment beforehand.

Vifx:
Well your examples actually proves my point. Cos In the Bible, forgiveness is rarely unconditional...

Now you have moved post from God does not forgive at all to unconditional forgiveness. No one said anything about unconditional forgiveness

Vifx:
The bible god never forgives, read the book

Yet, we all saw Him forgive a lot eg when the thief on the cross asked for forgiveness, he got it or is it when Isreal begged for forgiveness several times in the desert and in the promised land

GravityDefier:
I don't have much idea about polygamy.

Although, majority believes God supported polygamy in the times of old but frowns at it during this dispensation (this grace era)

I never heard this shi before until I joined nairaland and started seeing people saying it and I saw that they were serious. So i went check it out for if cheating aka adultery is a sin then it is impossible for God to support it. And so i raised these threads to prove that those people are lying.

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

https://www.nairaland.com/8040571/westerhof-finally-confesses-adultery-polygamy

https://www.nairaland.com/8238054/polygamy-jews-stopped-polygaming-after

So, you can check them out. I would like to see your well considered opinion

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you have moved post from God does not forgive at all to unconditional forgiveness. No one said anything about unconditional forgiveness

That isn't moving the goalpost at all it's clarifying the claim. The examples you gave don't show forgiveness as a blanket, unconditional act, they show forgiveness being granted after repentance, faith, obedience, or some other condition is met. So the question remains: if forgiveness is almost always tied to conditions, can it really be described as unconditional?

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet, we all saw Him forgive a lot eg when the thief on the cross asked for forgiveness, he got it or is it when Isreal begged for forgiveness several times in the desert and in the promised land

Always pulling out the Thief on the cross like it's a trump card but your examples actually highlight the issue. The thief on the cross was forgiven, yet countless others in the Bible were not. Israel was forgiven repeatedly, but entire populations were also destroyed despite pleas and repentance. The biblical record presents forgiveness as selective and conditional, not as a consistent or universal trait of God.

Vifx:
Always pulling out the Thief on the cross like it's a trump card but your examples actually highlight the issue. The thief on the cross was forgiven, yet countless others in the Bible were not. Israel was forgiven repeatedly, but entire populations were also destroyed despite pleas and repentance. The biblical record presents forgiveness as selective and conditional, not as a consistent or universal trait of God.

Now at least you have changed post and admitted that He forgave some people. And who does not know that forgiveness operates upon certain conditions? So, it is settled now

Vifx:
That isn't moving the goalpost at all it's clarifying the claim. The examples you gave don't show forgiveness as a blanket, unconditional act, they show forgiveness being granted after repentance, faith, obedience, or some other condition is met. So the question remains: if forgiveness is almost always tied to conditions, can it really be described as unconditional?

It is a shift of post because the issue was whether God forgives or not and not whether there is forgiveness but it is conditional or blanket forgiveness which is another issue and therefore a shift of the goal posts

Dtruthspeaker:
So, you shouldn't be forgiven? Ok. God has heard it.

Which God? The white man’s God or the Arab man’s God?

MrAnele:
Which God? The white man’s God or the Arab man’s God?

If god belonged to the white man or Arab, like Google and petrol, then it means that it is the white man/arab who is god and not the thing they sell to the world.