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Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by ebubeson(op): 7:48am On Jun 21
When you accept Jesus and become born again, all the sins you have ever committed are forgiven, your name is written in the book of life and you are heading to heaven.

Why restitution? There are people you may have stolen from, falsely accused, hurt so much etc. If as a born again Christian the HolySpirit reminds you to return a stolen property or money, to apologize to someone etc, then you have to make such restitution and do it, else if you don't, you are in disobedience and disobedience is sin. This kind of disobedience can only be remedied by repentance and restitution.

Lesson: Disobeying the HolySpirit not to do restitution will send you to hell fire.
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by Chinuruolum: 9:48am On Jun 21
It's not necessary.Jesus didn't teach it.
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by Hitchcock: 9:55am On Jun 21
Would be happy to learn the biblical backing for this doctrine.
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by AntiChristian: 9:56am On Jun 21
A pastor that stole public money should repent and return the money and everything he got through that funds!
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by Beautifulday: 10:06am On Jun 21
Restitution is not for Christians. It is for Jews. A Christian is not a Jew and a Jew is not a Christian.

You can't be both, you can only be one.

A Christian doesn't steal. Anyone who steals or commits sin willingly is not a Christian.
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by tiswell(m): 10:06am On Jun 21
No one is perfect.
Even the person you hurt,already hurt someone else.

So the restitution go reach everyone
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by Beautifulday: 10:07am On Jun 21
tiswell:
No one is perfect.
Even the person you hurt,already hurt someone else.

So the restitution go reach everyone
Restitution entails returning something. It doesn't mean apologizing.
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by tiswell(m): 10:13am On Jun 21
Beautifulday:
Restitution entails returning something. It doesn't mean apologizing.
Baba,all na different sides of the same coin
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by tiswell(m): 10:13am On Jun 21
Beautifulday:
Restitution entails returning something. It doesn't mean apologizing.
Baba,all na different sides of the same coin.
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by ebubeson(op): 10:27am On Jun 21
Return what you stole.

If the HolySpirit is telling you to restitute, do it.
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by DeltaBachelor(m): 10:31am On Jun 21
Yes o. For we all (including born again ) have sinned and come short of the glory of God. We are only saved by Grace . So even if you have stolen, killed, or committed any evil, try to make amends with the victim and don’t just rely on being born again. Karma is REAL !!!
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by Beautifulday: 10:35am On Jun 21
tiswell:
Baba,all na different sides of the same coin.
There are not. Restitution is a Jewish law instituted by moses. People are trying to refine it. It bothers on tangible resources not intangible.

You can't restitute intangibles
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by EnemyofGod4: 10:39am On Jun 21
Op, what do you mean by Born again ?
Nobody can be born again, can you enter your mother's womb to be born again ? That's not possible, don't tell me a person can be born again true water.

God, Satan, Jesus Christ,Angels and demons, doesn't exist,

There's no reliable, concretable and approvable evidence of their existence.

Infact the so called heaven doesn't exist,

please don't let anybody deceive you, heaven is just a figment of imagination, it's not real. shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by tiswell(m): 10:45am On Jun 21
Beautifulday:
There are not. Restitution is a Jewish law instituted by moses. People are trying to refine it. It bothers on tangible resources not intangible.

You can't restitute intangibles
Returning tangibles alongside apologies.
Akin to fear and respect,they are inseparable.
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by Beautifulday: 10:51am On Jun 21
tiswell:
Returning tangibles alongside apologies.
Akin to fear and respect,they are inseparable.
I doubt you know what law is. That is part of the Jewish law. What people see as moral codes is actually some nations law.

There are nations you don't fight. You fight, you go to jail.

If you steal and you are caught. You pay four times of what you stole. That is what the Jewish law states. That is restitution. If you are not caught, nothing happens to you.

If you decide to report yourself as the thief. You must obey the law by paying back four times of what you said you stole.

An average Nigerian can't understand many things because of our broken system.
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by Beautifulday: 10:55am On Jun 21
Let me add, there is nothing like genuine born again Christian.

There is no fake born again

There is no fake Christian

Every born again is a Christian.

You are not the one who determines who is born again or not. Only you and God do.

We try to over explain things in Nigeria and thereby complicate things
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by muyico(m): 10:56am On Jun 21
Organisation that cheats workers with poor salary, if workers steal dere, isn't sins, if he later leave d company, without been pay, those things he steal b4, no need for restitution
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by Igbophobia: 11:14am On Jun 21
Restitution is the EVIDENCE that you have been born again GENUINELY.

Imagine if Zaccheaus never pledged restitution. Jesus would never have said "Today has salvation come to this house"
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by livebullet(m): 11:38am On Jun 21
Chinuruolum:
It's not necessary.Jesus didn't teach it.
If not necessary, then why do u complain about repentant bokoharam getting juicy military ranks... U said they have killed and should not be rewarded that much, rather they should face reparation for their evil deeds.

Yet you are here saying restitution or reparation is not necessary.

How can u say you have repented and still live on the proceeds of the sinhuh

I killed someone for ritual, made 100million naira from the ritual, then I repented later and still went to d bank to withdraw the money to feed my family and use 10million for tithe.

Please listen to yourself.
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by Beautifulday: 11:45am On Jun 21
livebullet:
If not necessary, then why do u complain about repentant bokoharam getting juicy military ranks... U said they have killed and should not be rewarded that much, rather they should face reparation for their evil deeds.

Yet you are here saying restitution or reparation is not necessary.

How can u say you have repented and still live on the proceeds of the sinhuh

I killed someone for ritual, made 100million naira from the ritual, then I repented later and still went to d bank to withdraw the money to feed my family and use 10million for tithe.

Please listen to yourself.
Restitution isn't a Christian teaching. Emotions doesn't change that.

When you are born again, you are a new creature. If you don't believe you are a new creature. You are not born again.

A new creature doesn't have a past.
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by prothrombin(m): 12:00pm On Jun 21
You stole a car and you're now born again. Are you going to keep using the stolen car? If you know the answer then your question is answered?
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by JJCLOVE: 12:15pm On Jun 21
Uhmm! I'm not perfect either.
I want to believe that should I take anything that is not mine and when I realised how wrong it was and ask God for forgiveness genuinely and at that point I don't have the resources for restitution I'll trust God that I am free in Christ Jesus now that I am a new creature and move on.
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by addexx: 12:25pm On Jun 21
ebubeson:
When you accept Jesus and become born again, all the sins you have ever committed are forgiven, your name is written in the book of life and you are heading to heaven.

Why restitution? There are people you may have stolen from, falsely accused, hurt so much etc. If as a born again Christian the HolySpirit reminds you to return a stolen property or money, to apologize to someone etc, then you have to make such restitution and do it, else if you don't, you are in disobedience and disobedience is sin. This kind of disobedience can only be remedied by repentance and restitution.

Lesson: Disobeying the HolySpirit not to do restitution will send you to hell fire.
Restitution is a doctrine from the pit of hell. You will just cause problems for people with this your post.

You know how many sins you committed before coming to the truth and becoming born again? Yeah that's right, uncountable. Try restituting all of them.

What Jesus always taught instead was 'go and sin no more.'
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by emmyileri(m): 12:32pm On Jun 21
Restitution simply means repentance!
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by emmyileri(m): 12:34pm On Jun 21
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by obat(m): 12:34pm On Jun 21
The only biblical reference in the new testament that easily comes to mind on restitution is the Zacchaeus story in Luke 19 where Zacchaeus after meeting and accepting Jesus offered to give half of his possession to the poor and to pay back four fold to anyone he had cheated (and Ex 22 in the old testament). If you read vs 7 (the verse below the verse on restitution), you will noticed it was in response to the people accusing Jesus of associating with him in view of that fact tax collectors (who he was one) were known then for cheating the people/govt by either inflating the tax amount and or not declaring the actual amount of tax collected. So, the tax collectors were seen to be corrupt and hence not well accepted in the society.

So, in my own opinion, the purpose of this was for him to assuage the anger/feelings of the people and to kind of make his repentance acceptable to the general people (not necessarily the body of Christ) by repaying the people of the outside world (who were affected by his action and would likely feel cheated). You would noticed he offered to pay 4 times and not one for one. Also, he offered 50% of his wealth and this was not at Jesus' or his disciples' request.

Hence, (in my opinion), where people who have been affected by one's actions and are non believers (believers are supposed to forgive and know that the person is a new creation), especially if one is a public figure, it is proper for one to restitute as this will not only assuage the feelings of people (non believers) who might feel cheated but also give positive image of the body of Christ to non believers. However, I do not think it should be forced by the church though a genuine repentance should ordinarily push you to do this where this can be restituted.

To close this, my own experience. When I experienced the holy spirit powerfully, it reminded and convicted me of the sins I had committed. I restituted those I could - reached to my old girlfriend and apologized (fortunately she needed large some of money to do something which I could afford and so gave her). One stapler that I took from the office, I returned it back and some other restitutions. Most importantly I apologized to God and asked for forgiveness. However, all these were between me and God. Nobody in the church I was attending then (including the pastor) knew I carried out restitution.
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by highyo: 12:34pm On Jun 21
Restitution is the act of restoring what has been taken wrongly, correcting a lie, or returning a stolen item. It is the evidence of Genuine Repentance. You cannot say you "Hate Sin" while you are still "Enjoying the Profit" of that sin.

1. Unpaid Debts
Many believers think that "God has Forgiven" means "I can keep the money." This is a lie from the pit of hell. If you stole a man's bicycle and then "gave your life to Christ," the bicycle in your backyard is a Legal Claim for the devil, even though you are bornagain, it remain a stolen items

You lied on your CV to get the job. You are still receiving the "Salary" of a Lie. You "Borrow and Never Pay Back," thinking your "Faith" has cancelled the debt.
The Bible say "If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die" (Ezekiel 33:15).

The Example of Zacchaeus
When Zacchaeus met Jesus, he didn't just "Cry" or "Speak in Tongues." The first thing he did was address his Economic Sins. He understood that the "Presence of Christ" cannot coexist with the "Presence of Fraud."
Zacchaeus offered to pay back fourfold. He didn't wait for a "Prophecy." He saw the "Holiness of God" and realized his "Bank Account" was polluted. (Luke 19:cool.
3. The Blockage of the Altar

If you have a "Grudge" or a "Wrong" against a brother that you haven't settled, your "Worship" is a noise in the ears of God. He will not look at your "Hands" while they are holding the "Goods" of another man.
Jesus said, Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift" (Matthew 5:23-24).

So If you want to "Rise" without the "Tug" of the Grave, you must perform the Surgery of Restitution.
• The Audit of the Past: Ask the Holy Spirit to bring to your memory every "Falsehood" and every "Theft." Is it a certificate you forged? A debt you dodged? A person you slandered? Write them down.

• The Courage to Restore: Go back to the person. Admit the wrong. Return the money or the item. If the person is dead, return it to their children or give it to the work of God as a "Sin Offering," but Clear your Conscience.

• The "If the Lord Will" Wisdom: Seek spiritual counsel for "Complex Restitution" (like complicated marriages or institutional fraud) so that you do not "Create More Sin" while trying to fix the old one.
Don't let a "Small Heavy Stone" in your pocket pull you into the lake of fire.

A Politicians who has embezzled the peoples money, even after he has finished his sentence like Orji Uzor Kalu, Yahyah Bello, they must refund every kobo they have stolen before their sins can be forgiven
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by ufotunang: 12:51pm On Jun 21
Beautifulday:
Restitution is not for Christians. It is for Jews. A Christian is not a Jew and a Jew is not a Christian.

You can't be both, you can only be one.

A Christian doesn't steal. Anyone who steals or commits sin willingly is not a Christian.
.. a Christian that steals is a Christian but his a sinner... Christianity is his or her religion....so a question for you now ..any one that steals or commits sin is called what?
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by Beautifulday: 12:53pm On Jun 21
ufotunang:
.. a Christian that steals is a Christian but his a sinner... Christianity is his or her religion....so a question for you now ..any one that steals or commits sin is called what?
To be a Christian means you are born again. You can't be a born again and be a thief. A thief can claim to be born again to evade whatever judgement presented to him.

A thief is a thief anywhere.
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by Bahamas95(m): 12:54pm On Jun 21
Beautifulday:
Restitution entails returning something. It doesn't mean apologizing.
Just listen to yourself, wetin you talk make sense?


After stealing someone's car and you later repented, you'll drive the car to the person's house and walk away shebi?

Na 2 by 2 go land for your head.
Re: Is Restitution Still Necessary For A Genuinely Born Again Christian? by Beautifulday: 12:55pm On Jun 21
Bahamas95:
Just listen to yourself, wetin you talk make sense?


After stealing someone's car and you later repented, you'll drive the car to the person's house and walk away shebi?

Na 2 by 2 go land for your head.
If you steal a car and you are born again. You can or may not return the car. If you like you can throw it away or even continue using it.
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