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APOPTOSIS:
SimpLe
I have always sounded this here.
I preach this everyday.
Marriage is not for everyone.
It's no crime to stay alone. Keep of men!
If you can't take shittttt please avoid MEN.

@ bold: you don't say

DeepSight:
There is something wrong with the teaching of submission in the first place. A marriage should be a partnership of equal respect. Both parties to love and respect one another and decisions should be made in joint thinking. The concept of one party bowing down to the other in submission is a relic of the past and should be done away with.

If the Bible is followed to the T, submission in the Bible is not a 'hard' concept. In fact, few verses before their favourite verse tells us to submit one to another.

School 1 says that verse is talking to the church as in all believers should submit one to another.

School 2 says it is in marriage then explains that wives submit whilst husbands love their wives. The love expected is defined in 1 Cor 13: 4 - 7 which if practiced 70% will create heaven for the wife.

However, 85% (I am feeling generous tomorrow) of professing 'Christian' husbands either have no encounter with Christ, lack love or are very legalistic or all three. Then combine with a version of Church teachings (worldwide) desperate to produce terrible husbands.

Interestingly, a number of churches teach suffering and endurance (of a wife) as a virtue that will be rewarded. How else will the wife be made virtuous if it isn't by producing demonic husbands?

In addition, the church keep feminizing biblical virtues. Someone who hasn't read the Bible would think only women or wives are expected to have certain virtues. Peace, patience, long suffering, self control, tolerance, joy, etc. are fruits of the Holy Spirit that are gender neutral; emotional intelligence.... same. Any virtues you know the church has attributed to women/wives, 99.999999% of them are gender neutral and expected from both parties.

Personally, I think the church should leave marriage teaching and counselling alone. A young woman or man whose only exposure is the church might never see or experience true love in their lifetime.

bukatyne:
If the Bible is followed to the T, submission in the Bible is not a 'hard' concept. In fact, few verses before their favourite verse tells us to submit one to another.

School 1 says that verse is talking to the church as in all believers should submit one to another.

School 2 says it is in marriage then explains that wives submit whilst husbands love their wives. The love expected is defined in 1 Cor 13: 4 - 7 which if practiced 70% will create heaven for the wife.

However, 85% (I am feeling generous tomorrow) of professing 'Christian' husbands either have no encounter with Christ, lack love or are very legalistic or all three. Then combine with a version of Church teachings (worldwide) desperate to produce terrible husbands.

Interestingly, a number of churches teach suffering and endurance (of a wife) as a virtue that will be rewarded. How else will the wife be made virtuous if it isn't by producing demonic husbands?

The Bible is a collection of books and letters, poems and fantasies written by ancient men in a different era and there is much there that is certainly not to be applied to any sane modern life.

DeepSight:
The Bible is a collection of books and letters, poems and fantasies written by ancient men in a different era and there is much there that is certainly not to be applied to any sane modern life.

Ha! It's clear now.

You don't believe in the Bible.

Not a problem 👌

bukatyne:
Ha! It's clear now.

You don't believe in the Bible.

Not a problem 👌

And I hereby conjure you to follow me into my dark and infernal kingdom, there to fellowship with elves, goblins and nature sprites and denounce all religion forever

DeepSight:
And I hereby conjure you to follow me into my dark and infernal kingdom, there to fellowship with elves, goblins and nature sprites and denounce all religion forever

I rebuke you in the name of Jesus!

bukatyne:
I rebuke you in the name of Jesus!

I rebuke you in the names of all local deities!

Now I conjure and command you, fall into line as we proceed into the nether regions of the spirit world, where we shall dine with witches, wizards, fairies, forest spirits, mermaids and frogs with spider legs.

Oh, come, I adjure you. Oh float unto us, I conjure you.

I blast you with a potent confusion whreat you now fall into the hands of the practitioners of the dark arts of Blaakula

Trying to spell bukatyne as bbw

pussyphilia:
Can I submit to you? In a ship there can only be one captain

Our marriage is not a ship. Besides, the assistant captain does not submit to the captain. They work together. And on some ships the second in command mutineers against a rogue captain.

Watch Crimson Tide. It will expand your mind on the need for two man rule on a ship.

GloriousGbola:
Trying to spell bukatyne as bbw

Bwahahahahahahahha!.

You are a bad, bad, bad fella.

Everyday submission, na so so assignment una dey do?

budaatum:
Sorry, but I do not "submit" to my boss at work!

I am at, or rather, was at a level where my bosses recognised my abilities and skills, and they were far too intelligent to require me to submit to them because I can very easily take my skills and abilities to where I am better appreciated.

They are are also intelligent enough to understand that we build the company or organisation together, so they wouldn't have stupidly required that I submit to them instead of flourishing in my own right.

That said, I understand if you submit. You are not me.

Relax abeg. You're just arguing like a blind bat about things you don't understand. Who told you that being a strong woman and being a submissive woman are mutually exclusive?

DeepSight:
There is something wrong with the teaching of submission in the first place. A marriage should be a partnership of equal respect. Both parties to love and respect one another and decisions should be made in joint thinking. The concept of one party bowing down to the other in submission is a relic of the past and should be done away with.

Like I said, the worst thing the devil did was convincing Humanity that he didn't exist. The 2nd worst thing was to convince Humanity God didn't love them. The 3rd worst thing the devil did was to convince Christians not to read the Bible for themselves so they wouldn't know God and what He truly wanted.

God doesn't FORCE ANY HUMAN BEING to SUBMIT TO HIM.

God doesn't impose His will upon any human being.

So whyyyyyyyy would Your Creator tell you to kneel before any human being, when He is not even forcing you to kneel before Him??

Whhhyyyyyy

Can you and every Christian not see that the whole definition of Submission according to what we believe: forcing, imposing and breaking someone, is literally the PUNISHMENT OF ADAM AND EVE FROM GENESIS? Gen 3: 15-19. Churches are literally preaching a Curse as the Word of Knowledge from God. Madness!

Read every single verse on Marriage: "submit to each other, submit and respect your man, love your woman like I did to the point of sacrificing your life, serve each other in love".

God didn't send any woman or man to worship anybody other than Him.

To submit to your husband in earthly way is to put him above even God, to say "the Lord asked me to go to Aguda but my husband said no so I'm staying home". Guess what? That husband is now a god and your idol which you worship. And that husband has sinned against God because of that.

If they called Submission what its true name is, nobody will have a problem with it. And its name is TRUST.

Which woman, who knows her husband loves and put her first and protect her and her children, will not trust him if he tells her "babe, I've made a decision concerning our future, I've prayed, I'm consulting you and I think it's a good plan, hear me out".

When I tell my kids "don't eat this", they trust me because they know and have been proven how much I love and sacrifice for them. That's them submitting to me

Love MUST precede Submission otherwise it is Oppression and that is what feminism is fighting: patriarchy's oppression.

Patriarchy and Feminism are like APC and PDP: both bad for Nigeria.

DeepSight:
There is something wrong with the teaching of submission in the first place. A marriage should be a partnership of equal respect. Both parties to love and respect one another and decisions should be made in joint thinking. The concept of one party bowing down to the other in submission is a relic of the past and should be done away with.

Like I said, the worst thing the devil did was convincing Humanity that he didn't exist. The 2nd worst thing was to convince Humanity God didn't love them. The 3rd worst thing the devil did was to convince Christians not to read the Bible for themselves so they wouldn't know God and what He truly wanted.

God doesn't FORCE ANY HUMAN BEING to SUBMIT TO HIM.

God doesn't impose His will upon any human being.

So whyyyyyyyy would Your Creator tell you to kneel before any human being, when He is not even forcing you to kneel before Him??

Whhhyyyyyy

Can you and every Christian not see that the whole definition of Submission according to what we believe: forcing, imposing and breaking someone, is literally the PUNISHMENT OF ADAM AND EVE FROM GENESIS? Gen 3: 15-19. Churches are literally preaching a Curse as the Word of Knowledge from God. Madness!

Read every single verse on Marriage: "submit to each other, submit and respect your man, love your woman like I did to the point of sacrificing your life, serve each other in love".

God didn't send any woman or man to worship anybody other than Him.

To submit to your husband in earthly way is to put him above even God, to say "the Lord asked me to go to Aguda but my husband said no so I'm staying home". Guess what? That husband is now a god and your idol which you worship. And that husband has sinned against God because of that.

If they called Submission what its true name is, nobody will have a problem with it. And its name is TRUST.

Which woman, who knows her husband loves and put her first and protect her and her children, will not trust him if he tells her "babe, I've made a decision concerning our future, I've prayed, I'm consulting you and I think it's a good plan, hear me out".

When I tell my kids "don't eat this", they trust me because they know and have been proven how much I love and sacrifice for them. That's them submitting to me

Love MUST precede Submission otherwise it is Oppression and that is what feminism is fighting: patriarchy's oppression.

Patriarchy and Feminism are like APC and PDP: both bad for Nigeria.

Onegai:
Like I said, the worst thing the devil did was convincing Humanity that he didn't exist. The 2nd worst thing was to convince Humanity God didn't love them. The 3rd worst thing the devil did was to convince Christians not to read the Bible for themselves so they wouldn't know God and what He truly wanted.

God doesn't FORCE ANY HUMAN BEING to SUBMIT TO HIM.

God doesn't impose His will upon any human being.

So whyyyyyyyy would Your Creator tell you to kneel before any human being, when He is not even forcing you to kneel before Him??

Whhhyyyyyy

Can you and every Christian not see that the whole definition of Submission according to what we believe: forcing, imposing and breaking someone, is literally the PUNISHMENT OF ADAM AND EVE FROM GENESIS? Gen 3: 15-19. Churches are literally preaching a Curse as the Word of Knowledge from God. Madness!

Read every single verse on Marriage: "submit to each other, submit and respect your man, love your woman like I did to the point of sacrificing your life, serve each other in love".

God didn't send any woman or man to worship anybody other than Him.

To submit to your husband in earthly way is to put him above even God, to say "the Lord asked me to go to Aguda but my husband said no so I'm staying home". Guess what? That husband is now a god and your idol which you worship. And that husband has sinned against God because of that.

If they called Submission what its true name is, nobody will have a problem with it. And its name is TRUST.

Which woman, who knows her husband loves and put her first and protect her and her children, will not trust him if he tells her "babe, I've made a decision concerning our future, I've prayed, I'm consulting you and I think it's a good plan, hear me out".

When I tell my kids "don't eat this", they trust me because they know and have been proven how much I love and sacrifice for them. That's them submitting to me

Love MUST precede Submission otherwise it is Oppression and that is what feminism is fighting: patriarchy's oppression.
£££11@@
Patriarchy and Feminism are like APC and PDP: both bad for Nigeria.

My word. I had an impulse to debate you from the first paragraph, but reading through, you have spoken damn too well. Well done, well said. Bravo.

giacomogiovanni:
Relax abeg. You're just arguing like a blind bat about things you don't understand. Who told you that being a strong woman and being a submissive woman are mutually exclusive?

I never said they were mutually exclusive. I am simply against the stup¹d ignorant archaic "submit to your man" mantra. And it is my own opinion that it is the mantra of weak men who can not compete with women on a level playing field.

If we were talking football, you'd be asking the opposition to play with 10 men and wear slippers!

Northernblood8:
Women should know that the best way to actually control a man is to be humble to him.

Maybe when you tell ur parents and other ladies parents to stop collecting bride price and giving long marriage list to suitors... Then these men can stop thinking they 'bought' the woman. We can't claim woke and still pay bride price dats not paid in the west/woke reference nations innit?

bukatyne:
Women are not obsessed with control, men are.

Maybe when you tell ur parents and other ladies parents to stop collecting bride price and giving long marriage list to suitors... Then these men can stop thinking they 'bought' the woman. We can't claim woke and still pay bride price dats not paid in the west/woke reference nations innit?

budaatum:
Actually, he means don't marry him. And of course I wouldn't.

Thankfully he's not the only man out there, and not all men need their wife to submit to them.

Besides, I bet his children do not submit to him, but he wants to make a slave of someone else's daughter!

Maybe when you tell ur parents and other ladies parents to stop collecting bride price and giving long marriage list to suitors... Then these men can stop thinking they 'bought' the woman. We can't claim woke and still pay bride price dats not paid in the west/woke reference nations innit?

budaatum:
Our marriage is not a ship. Besides, the assistant captain does not submit to the captain. They work together. And on some ships the second in command mutineers against a rogue captain.

Watch Crimson Tide. It will expand your mind on the need for two man rule on a ship.

In every human relationships involving two humans, there's bound to be one who calls the shots. Although the major religions teach that the man is the head or leader of the family, I believe that the leader or head of a family shouldn't be determined just by sex organs. If the woman is the dominant personality, more educated, smarter, richer etc, she should take the lead and have the man submit to her. If people identify themselves and accept whom they are ie dominant or submissive, we'll have more stable marriages. Ladies who possess that dominant personality should never be deceived by society into trying to conform to what she's not by submitting to any man instead, they should try to identify submissive guys --who are even in their large numbers in our society, and get married to them.

vanvickie:
Maybe when you tell ur parents and other ladies parents to stop collecting bride price and giving long marriage list to suitors... Then these men can stop thinking they 'bought' the woman. We can't claim woke and still pay bride price dats not paid in the west/woke reference nations innit?

Men decide bride price and marriage lists; a man collects bride price from other men. Nowhere is a womqn in the transaction.

And bride price is not the issue else Western women will not be lamenting about their men.

It is a man issue

pussyphilia:
In every human relationships involving two humans, there's bound to be one who calls the shots. Although the major religions teach that the man is the head or leader of the family, I believe that the leader or head of a family shouldn't be determined just by sex organs. If the woman is the dominant personality, more educated, smarter, richer etc, she should take the lead and have the man submit to her. If people identify themselves and accept whom they are ie dominant or submissive, we'll have more stable marriages. Ladies who possess that dominant personality should never be deceived by society into trying to conform to what she's not by submitting to any man instead, they should try to identify submissive guys --who are even in their large numbers in our society, and get married to them.

I disagree with your "In every human relationships involving two humans, there's bound to be one who calls the shots". You and I can relate as friends with neither of us calling the shots, and i definitely do not need my husband submitting to me just because my "personality is dominant or I'm more educated, smarter, richer etc," as that's not a recipe for a good relationship.

Just think. I might be more of those things to begin with, but what if he goes to educate himself and gets smarter and finds a job that makes him richer, do we now switch so he now dominates me after maybe years of me dominating him?

A smart relationship is that we be equal so our one plus one equals two, while a submissive relationship is one plus half which is one and a half. Think brains. Two is better.

vanvickie:
Maybe when you tell ur parents and other ladies parents to stop collecting bride price and giving long marriage list to suitors... Then these men can stop thinking they 'bought' the woman. We can't claim woke and still pay bride price dats not paid in the west/woke reference nations innit?

I already come from a heritage that does not demand bride price. And even your bride price is not for purchasing the woman. Men who think it is are small minded and need to wake up!

Na bible talk am ooo

victoryenergy:
Not divorce her, but touch her away😁😁😁😁😁

Northernblood8:
Women should know that the best way to actually control a man is to be humble to him.

Are u talking to dis generation of jezebel??

When the Bible says wives should submit to their husbands,the Bible is not talking about vagabonds,thugs and touts who brings children into the world and leave all the responsibilities to the woman, while he parabulates over the place,the Bible is talking about responsible, sensible men who are a shield to their family and leads them to God, you want me to submit to an irresponsible man who don't know how to care and protect his family, even Bible talk say,any man that can't care for his home is worse than an infidel,go and read the Bible

If being a weak man means that i am refusing to marry a tiger into my home, then i go wear weakness like agbada, wear am with pride. ‼️

Thunda faya yhu. ‼️🤡

budaatum:
Actually, weak men don't want warriors.

Strong intelligent men would be delighted to have a warrior in their family fighting poverty and educating their children to be warriors together in this harsh world we live in.

dermmy:
Some people think submission means control, slavery and obsequiousness. SMHfu

if truly it doesn't mean control, why then do some men get obsessed about it??