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If no one could ask for money from Solomon, it doesn't change the fact that they weren't in "need" of money.

So what Solomon couldn't provide to people, the modern day Pastors provide them through prayers.

And the people obviously believe, the prayers are responsible for the cash flow.

People then and now, care more about money than wisdom.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course nobody could approach Him for riches because they know He won't listen that's why there is no record of any of His worshipers asking for money!🙂

kayjordan:
If no one could ask for money from Solomon, it doesn't change the fact that they weren't in "need" of money. So what Solomon couldn't provide to people, the modern day Pastors provide them through prayers. And the people obviously believe, the prayers are responsible for the cash flow. People then and now, care more about money than wisdom.

The question you should have asked is:

Why is it that none of God's worshipers asked for money in prayer!🙂

I'm interested in reading the link you've provided on how to pray and get answers.


However, there's probably a difference between getting physical answers and spiritual answers.

power50:
Yes. God really answers prayer. Our problem is that we don't know how to pray the right way. Download HOW TO PRAY AND GET ANSWER here https://selar.com/17x1442x91

If I am to answer that, I'd say because "THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE".


The environment and authority in the biblical days, didn't create a room for a great need of money.


But certainly, the drive was present in the hearts of men, but the environment wasn't enabling enough unlike today's environment of roll royces.


If you have an answer to the question, I'm willing to know...

MaxInDHouse:
The question you should have asked is:

Why is it that none of God's worshipers asked for money in prayer!🙂

kayjordan:
If I am to answer that, I'd say because "THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE".

Well you are wrong!
Back then there were false prophets in Israel so whoever wants to pray for riches goes to them and worship other Gods.
That's why Jesus told his listeners saying:

“No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. You cannot slave for God and for Mammon" Matthew 6:24

That is the demon people worshiped in ancient times for money so when they are praying the false prophets the people are following knows that it's not to the God of Israel they are praying but they kept deceiving them saying it's the same God! 1King 12:28

After the establishment of Christianity these demons started disguising so that their worshipers can also claim they are Christians:

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light. 2Corinthians 11:13-14

So both the demons and their agents changed their identity using Jesus name to operate! Matthew 7:21-23🙂

Interesting!

You know every prophet called themselves true prophets - both true and false prophets did call themselves that.

So the question is: what differentiates a true prophet from a false prophet in a world that is heavily OPINIONATED than spiritually inclined?

MaxInDHouse:
Well you are wrong!
Back then there were false prophets in Israel so whoever wants to pray for riches goes to them and worship other Gods.
That's why Jesus told his listeners saying:

“No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. You cannot slave for God and for Mammon" Matthew 6:24

That is the demon people worshiped in ancient times for money so when they are praying the false prophets the people are following knows that it's not to the God of Israel they are praying but they kept deceiving them saying it's the same God! 1King 12:28

After the establishment of Christianity these demons started disguising so that their worshipers can also claim they are Christians:

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light. 2Corinthians 11:13-14

So both the demons and their agents changed their identity using Jesus name to operate! Matthew 7:21-23🙂

kayjordan:
Interesting!
You know every prophet called themselves true prophets - both true and false prophets did call themselves that.
So the question is: what differentiates a true prophet from a false prophet in a world that is heavily OPINIONATED than spiritually inclined?

Simple!
Imagine yourself in a place where fake currency is rampant the first thing you need to do is get a copy of the the real currency and study its features so by the time you see the fake money all you will do is examine critically to see if the features are present!🙂

So if no single worshiper of God in ancient times prayed for riches and most of God's servants weren't materially rich whoever is flaunting riches can't be a worshiper of that God.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and he was materially poor in fact in net worth Jesus has nothing at all:

“Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head.” Matthew 8:20

That's what Jesus said about his net worth so if today you are seeing men on pulpit so rich and praying for riches even teaching their followers to do the same then you should be able to know where they belong! Jeremiah 9:23-24

I like this!

Now, if you do the math, it's practically:

*1million prosperity prophets VS 1,000 humility preaching prophets.

*7billion world money seekers VS 5,000 financially humble people.

TENTATIVE FACTS

Would it be accurate to say the Christian religion has evolved rather than say practicing falsehood?


What is a single "neutral judge" of original truth (Godliness) VS Sentiment, since the Bible can be manipulated through various interpretations?

MaxInDHouse:
Simple!
Imagine yourself in a place where fake currency is rampant the first thing you need to do is get a copy of the the real currency and study its features so by the time you see the fake money all you will do is examine critically to see if the features are present!🙂

So if no single worshiper of God in ancient times prayed for riches and most of God's servants weren't materially rich whoever is flaunting riches can't be a worshiper of that God.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and he was materially poor in fact in net worth Jesus has nothing at all:

“Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head.” Matthew 8:20

That's what Jesus said about his net worth so if today you are seeing men on pulpit so rich and praying for riches even teaching their followers to do the same then you should be able to know where they belong! Jeremiah 9:23-24

kayjordan:
I like this!
Now, if you do the math, it's practically:
*1million prosperity prophets VS 1,000 humility preaching prophets.
*7billion world money seekers VS 5,000 financially humble people.
TENTATIVE FACTS
Would it be accurate to say the Christian religion has evolved rather than say practicing falsehood?
What is a single "neutral judge" of original truth (Godliness) VS Sentiment, since the Bible can be manipulated through various interpretations?

The Bible God said He created just two humans one male and one female which lead to the world's population today so if this God destroyed all the inhabitants of planet earth in Noah's day only to preserve eight humans, if he destroyed all the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah only to preserve Lot and his two daughters i'm afraid this God can destroy billions just to preserve 1,000 that proves worthy of everlasting life! Luke 17:26-27🙂

It's been 1000 years since God destroyed inhabitants of the earth of this kind.


Now the world has approximately 7 billion money seekers and nothing has happened so far.


The world doesn't have 2 inhabitants, nor 8 inhabitants currently.


God's destruction of inhabitants all happened within that 1,000 year period.


1,000 years after, no Bible story of mass destruction of inhabitants so far.


Many have predicted God's wrath severally, but none have come to past yet.


That's why I asked if there's a neutral judge of truth to know if "your truth" is accurate or if other "believers' truth" is accurate?


To know if prosperity is "good" or "bad" - it should be up to something to tell which it is.


Some will say that the Bible says - "God blesses people in riches and in glory" - wealth oriented people.


Some will say that the Bible says - "God is thy rock and thy salvation" - eternity oriented people.


Are either orientation bad? NO ONE KNOWS


Because you will use a JW defense to defend the right one - and another will use an RCCG defense to defend the other.


JW will discredit RCCG sermon - and RCCG will also discredit JW sermon.


People are therefore stuck in the middle of two or more FAITH.


NO NEUTRAL Ground nor Supreme Judge to separate either faith.


Everyone is saying YES to their faith, and NO to others.

But don't want their faith to be told NO as well.


So which denomination or faith or sermon is the TRUE SHEPHERD? ...

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible God said He created just two humans one male and one female which lead to the world's population today so if this God destroyed all the inhabitants of planet earth in Noah's day only to preserve eight humans, if he destroyed all the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah only to preserve Lot and his two daughters i'm afraid this God can destroy billions just to preserve 1,000 that proves worthy of everlasting life! Luke 17:26-27🙂

kayjordan:
So which denomination or faith or sermon is the TRUE SHEPHERD? ...

That is the question every sincere and honest hearted individual should ask but its a pity that most people shy away from it.
Well since you have asked i will give you a straightforward answer.

There is only one true religion and its known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that is the only religion where you can get belonging to Jesus and mind you it is not a denomination of any religion it stands alone!

You wrote: "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that is the only religion"

Well, that's your appointed truth and neutral ground - and I understand.

Philosophy actually says there's no ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

So JW might as well be as biased as 1,000 religions that exist.

Therefore, no faith is superior.

MaxInDHouse:
That is the question every sincere and honest hearted individual should ask but its a pity that most people shy away from it.
Well since you have asked i will give you a straightforward answer.

There is only one true religion and its known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that is the only religion where you can get belonging to Jesus and mind you it is not a denomination of any religion it stands alone!

kayjordan:
You wrote: "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that is the only religion"
Well, that's your appointed truth and neutral ground - and I understand.
Philosophy actually says there's no ABSOLUTE TRUTH.
So JW might as well be as biased as 1,000 religions that exist.
Therefore, no faith is superior.

This is why i don't answer questions directly!🙂

You asked a straightforward question:

kayjordan:
So which denomination or faith or sermon is the TRUE SHEPHERD? ...

I gave you a straightforward answer:

"JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

But instead of asking for proof you went back to quoting faithless people!🙂

kayjordan:
This is where it becomes tricky...

Which GOD can be before another GOD?

Also, how do we go to Him directly without walking up to the wrong GOD?

If you ask a Muslim, he would say go to Allah!

If you ask a Buddhist, he would say go to Buddha!

If you ask a Christian, he would say go to Jesus!

If you ask another Christian, he might say go to God only!


So, how can one know which God, one shouldn't put before the other?

There is ONLY ONE indivisible, omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient creator of all. The yorubas call it Olodumare, the igbos call it Chineke......just the name that is different.

There are several aspects,laws and principles of this one God. Most people have personified this aspects, the yorubas calls them Orisha. Some people like to go to God through them. As for me I go directly and I get instant result.
I decree it and it is established.

No " in Jesus name" bull crap or "through Christ" bull sheet.
When I finish I say Isé or Asé.

Dtruthspeaker:
The same way people know see many posts here and declare them to be lies. We know lies when we see them. Beanpie

Ok. You lie too

You indeed gave a straightforward answer, however it can never be complete.

What your answer suggest is called - "subjectivity" - meaning your personal belief.

The intention of my question, is to probe the extremity of religion and seek neutrality of a universal knowledge.

That universal knowledge is God and at the same time, UNKNOWN.

If your religious practices are clean and Holy to you, that doesn't mean they are clean to other types of believers. That's the core point I'm making here.

Infact, a unique Christian demonination somewhere on this planet, can rate their faith as 100% God's one and only religion and call every other demonination including JW (which you call God's religion), devil's religions - even if all use the same Bible.

It becomes a matter of "only us are the best" - and that's why I stand by the fact that, there's no universal or unifying knowledge that unites God's people across all religions into one formidable religion and denomination.

Except if one exist.

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i don't answer questions directly!🙂

You asked a straightforward question:



I gave you a straightforward answer:




But instead of asking for proof you went back to quoting faithless people!🙂

You're correct.

There are many channels to a God.

A critical problem is that almost all channels are at War.

One "Good God" supplies each channel weapons (Holy spirit or Spiritual powers) to fight one another.

The real question is: would a Good God create this religious chaos, or did man himself, create this ideology of an imaginary one "Good God" that has created avenues for various religions to exploit to their advantage?

sonmvayina:
There is ONLY ONE indivisible, omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient creator of all. The yorubas call it Olodumare, the igbos call it Chineke......just the name that is different.

There are several aspects,laws and principles of this one God. Most people have personified this aspects, the yorubas calls them Orisha. Some people like to go to God through them. As for me I go directly and I get instant result.
I decree it and it is established.

No " in Jesus name" bull crap or "through Christ" bull sheet.
When I finish I say Isé or Asé.

kayjordan:
There's no universal or unifying knowledge that unites God's people across all religions races into one formidable religion and denomination.
Except if one exist.

That is exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses have done!
All others are false religions that is why they can't produce that fruit you are expecting! Matthew 7:16-18🙂

kayjordan:
You're correct.

There are many channels to a God.

A critical problem is that almost all channels are at War.

One "Good God" supplies each channel weapons (Holy spirit or Spiritual powers) to fight one another.

The real question is: would a Good God create this religious chaos, or did man himself, create this ideology of an imaginary one "Good God" that has created avenues for various religions to exploit to their advantage?

As far as as I know, it was Christianity that brought the war. Before then, the only war people fought was to expand their territory not religious.
What was obtainable before Christianity was different cultural beliefs. The yorubas have their ifa in Africa, the greeks, the Romans , the indians, the Mayans...etc. it was Christians who wanted to impose it's beliefs on everybody that brought this constant bickering. And it is a JJC in all of this. It was Christianity that brought religious wars, then later it's younger brother Islam took the baton and took it further after Christianity grew tired from killing and slaughtering people.
It was man wanting to control and dominate other people that lead to this matrix we find ourselves.

This is still a subjective belief.

"Matthew 7:16-18" - can be read with different wisdom and judged with different opinions.

A strong reason why you defend your faith so well is because you've been emotionally invested in it long term - and it will be difficult to accept any other belief beyond what you know best.

Practically writing - this is how bias gets created - this is how supremacy gets created.

Not just with your religion or faith, but with every other.

Have you ever heard this quote: "people are terrible judges of other people's actions and fantastic lawyers of their own actions"?

MaxInDHouse:
That is exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses have done!
All others are false religions that is why they can't produce that fruit you are expecting! Matthew 7:16-18🙂

I agree with you.

In Sociology, it been theorized that religion was invented to create fear.

In the old times, education wasn't strong - and people had no choice than be "gullible".

Everybody believed in one religion or the other out of fear.

When people started getting a bit of education, extremists Christians and Muslims began the destruction of people who went astray.

Fast forward to contemporary times, the result is already manifesting in society.

Religion bombing, killing other religions...

Haram on many lifestyles...

People hating one another...


Yet, one "Good God of All Religions" allows all to happen? - We don't know!

Maybe people are misrepresenting God and mixing the purpose of God with their preferred lifestyle choices.

If so, that would be an adulteration of God's intended wish.

But frankly, I'm of the opinion that God and Religion are man-made ideas and tools, used to scare people away from resources of the earth for selfish interests.

sonmvayina:
As far as as I know, it was Christianity that brought the war. Before then, the only war people fought was to expand their territory not religious.
What was obtainable before Christianity was different cultural beliefs. The yorubas have their ifa in Africa, the greeks, the Romans , the indians, the Mayans...etc. it was Christians who wanted to impose it's beliefs on everybody that brought this constant bickering. And it is a JJC in all of this. It was Christianity that brought religious wars, then later it's younger brother Islam took the baton and took it further after Christianity grew tired from killing and slaughtering people.
It was man wanting to control and dominate other people that lead to this matrix we find ourselves.

kayjordan:
"Matthew 7:16-18" - can be read with different wisdom and judged with different opinions.
A strong reason why you defend your faith so well is because you've been emotionally invested in it long term - and it will be difficult to accept any other belief beyond what you know best.

First of all i wasn't born a JW instead i've listened to different religions until i found this truth.

Secondly below is what you typed with your own hands the only difference i just replaced RELIGION with RACE.

kayjordan:
There's no universal or unifying knowledge that unites God's people across all religions races into one formidable religion and denomination.
Except if one exist.

Why?

Because false religion can't unite all the people on this planet but the only true religion will so no matter your tribe or nationality if truth is your goal the true religion will unite you with people like you whereas there is no religion or organization that can unite people of all races apart from Jehovah's Witnesses!

Unless of course if you don't really want to know the truth!🙂

To be honest, what you've written is good advocacy for the JW Organization.


I know you are a Muslim converted Christian and I'm really curious to know if your family still practice Islam..


If they still do, it would be equally unfair to say they've made a wrong choice.


The case of religion should be viewed with different lenses. No one religion can be proven more "right" or more "wrong".


Neutrality is key.


If you are trained to make your bed every morning after you wake up, you will see that as "good".


If you are trained to NOT make your bed every morning after you wake up, you will see that as "normal".


So the two above trainees will see their respective lifestyles as "good" over a period of time - and both will condemn each other's lifestyle strongly.


In some situations, when a child exhibits different traits from the family, such child is likely to deviate from the norms of that family.


So, this doesn't affirm any one is right, but rather it affirms one did what was right for oneself.

MaxInDHouse:
First of all i wasn't born a JW instead i've listened to different religions until i found this truth.

Secondly below is what you typed with your own hands the only difference i just replaced RELIGION with RACE.



Why?

Because false religion can't unite all the people on this planet but the only true religion will so no matter your tribe or nationality if truth is your goal the true religion will unite you with people like you whereas there is no religion or organization that can unite people of all races apart from Jehovah's Witnesses!

Unless of course if you don't really want to know the truth!🙂

kayjordan:
I know you are a Muslim converted Christian and I'm really curious to know if your family still practice Islam.. If they still do, it would be equally unfair to say they've made a wrong choice.

According to the true God nobody chooses true religion at birth so children born to Jehovah's Witnesses only become members after they have studied the Bible, take their stand for what they learned and go out to preach and teach others in their neighborhood before they are baptized as Jehovah's Witnesses.
So my families chose what they want to be just as makers of fake currencies choose how to trade in the society but that doesn't mean the central bank will approve all the money found in circulation!🙂

Hmm!

I like the Central Bank analogy.

The difference between Central Bank and your idealized "True Religion", is that Central Bank is an institution agreed on by majority of the people.

Everyone knows Central Bank is the Apex bank and not Gtbank or Union Bank.

But for religion, everyone believes their own religion is the Central Bank.

That's the problem I'm trying to fix.

MaxInDHouse:
According to the true God nobody chooses true religion at birth so children born to Jehovah's Witnesses only become members after they have studied the Bible, take their stand for what they learned and go out to preach and teach others in their neighborhood before they are baptized as Jehovah's Witnesses.
So my families chose what they want to be just as makers of fake currencies choose how to trade in the society but that doesn't mean the central bank will approve all the money found in circulation!🙂

kayjordan:
Hmm!
Everyone knows Central Bank is the Apex bank and not Gtbank or Union Bank.

Here is what i meant by CENTRAL BANK. Everyone agreed i mean nobody has ever disagreed with what you typed below.

kayjordan:
There's no universal or unifying knowledge that unites God's people across all religions races into one formidable religion and denomination.
Except if one exist.

So that stands as the world's central bank therefore any religion that fails to meet up with this features is like FAKE money that's worthless when you take it out for trade.

WHY?

Because it will always lead to strife and trouble among those using it to trade among themselves whereas those using the real money from central bank (true religion) will always live as if they are one family.

Today there is no religion apart from (Jehovah's Witnesses) that could unite people of all races instead there faith will become useless and worthless in the face of politics and racism just as fake currencies will turn it's users against one another. While your own brother may like to cover you knowing that you are carrying a fake currency someone who doesn't know you will never cover you but if its original money everyone will accept it whether they are related to you or not.

That is what only Jehovah's Witnesses are doing globally today that no other group can because they are all using the fake money FALSE RELIGION!🙂

jaephoenix:
Ok. You lie too

Another lie you are still saying

Do you know your confidence in JW as the true religion, is a carbon-copy of the confidence of a Redeemer, Deeper life member, Catholic, Seventh day Adventist member, Muslim and Buddhist?


It's just like saying Nigerian jollof is the best - when a rival Ghana thinks Ghana Jollof is the bomb.


If I can ask you the above question: which jollof is the best?


Obviously, you would say you haven't tasted Ghana jollof before.


And that will subconsciously make you still rate Nigerian jollof as the best.


Your religious judgment is fuelled by personal experience and not universal experience.


Your religion cannot speak for others. It can only speak for you and your camp.

MaxInDHouse:
Here is what i meant by CENTRAL BANK. Everyone agreed i mean nobody has ever disagreed with what you typed below.



So that stands as the world's central bank therefore any religion that fails to meet up with this features is like FAKE money that's worthless when you take it out for trade.

WHY?

Because it will always lead to strife and trouble among those using it to trade among themselves whereas those using the real money from central bank (true religion) will always live as if they are one family.

Today there is no religion apart from (Jehovah's Witnesses) that could unite people of all races instead there faith will become useless and worthless in the face of politics and racism just as fake currencies will turn it's users against one another. While your own brother may like to cover you knowing that you are carrying a fake currency someone who doesn't know you will never cover you but if its original money everyone will accept it whether they are related to you or not.

That is what only Jehovah's Witnesses are doing globally today that no other group can because they are all using the fake money FALSE RELIGION!🙂

kayjordan:
Do you know your confidence in JW as the true religion, is a carbon-copy of the confidence of a Redeemer, Deeper life member, Catholic, Seventh day Adventist member, Muslim and Buddhist?

Never!
You don't need to speak in defense of fake currencies call its bearers out to come and defend their currencies just as i'm doing!🙂