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QuinQQ:
But this is NOT about parternity fraud. Remember, we don't know that there's been any adultery. This is about govt recognizing that once a man accepts a child and bonds with the child for several years, THAT IS HIS CHILD!! And making laws that encourage him to focus on raising that precioous child to adulthood (18), rather than spending time and 100's of thousands on DNA tests!

Remember there haven't been DNA tests throughout human history yet we have somehow managed to survive. All those diseases you mentioned can also be hidden in the lineage of someone you married. Also the opposite can also be true - the child could carry greatness genes

Oh don't worry about not having a DNA test in the old days. If you really want to know who your father is, go and provoke your village people to anger or take a share before an elder does, you go hear your full genealogy in one sentence.
You gave a man a child that is not his and you expect him to sit back relax and accept wetin? Infact, DNA tests has to be mandatory at birth, if the man chooses to go ahead and raise that child so be it. Don't take away the dignity of the man to choose. Let him choose for himself wether to go ahead or say no.

addictiv:
We are going round in circles because you keep dressing up injustice as family protection.

Let us call your position exactly what it is.

You believe that once a man has loved, raised and financially supported a child for long enough, he should be denied the truth because his continued ignorance is useful to the mother, convenient for the government and less disruptive for society.

That is not protecting a family. That is exploiting a man’s love and using his emotional investment as a trap.

You say the child may become fatherless if the man walks away. But a child needing a father does not give the state the right to manufacture one through deception. The solution is to identify the biological father and make him fulfil his responsibilities, not to force an innocent man to carry another man’s obligation because he is already available.

You also cannot declare infidelity and paternity fraud irrelevant. A negative DNA result does not fall from the sky. Either there was a hospital error or another man fathered the child. Those facts are the entire reason the result matters.

You keep calling the family settled. A lie does not become legitimate because it remained hidden for many years. Fraud does not become acceptable because the victim has already invested heavily. In fact, the longer the deception continues, the greater the emotional and financial damage.

If the child is his, the test confirms it and the family continues. If the child is not his, the test did not destroy the family. The deception did. You are blaming the alarm for revealing the fire.

And if your genuine concern is protecting children from the shock of a late discovery, then compulsory DNA testing at birth is the obvious solution. Establish the truth before years of bonding, sacrifice and responsibility. You cannot reject early verification and then use the damage caused by late verification as an excuse to ban the truth entirely.

Your argument reduces the man to a disposable provider. His consent does not matter. His money does not matter. His emotional wellbeing does not matter. His right to know does not matter. All that matters is that he remains in position and continues paying so society does not have to deal with the consequences.

That is not fatherhood. That is forced responsibility through state protected ignorance.

A man may discover that the child is not biologically his and still choose to remain because of the love and bond they share. That would be genuine fatherhood because it would be based on truth and choice.

What you are proposing is not love, choice or family stability. It is deception made convenient.

If only the OP can lose the myopia and reason these points out.

QuinQ:
But we don't know wether thete is parternal fraud or adultery. What we have is a man bonded with a child from infancy to teenage years still wanting to spend 100's of thousands on DNA. Our take is that the govrt ought discourage him from doing that and encourage him to instead focus on raising his precious child to maturity!

How does a man end up unwittingly raising a child that isn't his outside of adultery and paternity?

QuinQQ:
DNA testing of children is NOT an improvement. It is just an unnecessary fishing expedition that doesn't benefit the child, the man, or society!

Some people cant be helped.
I know that for sure .

Chris225:
DNA exposes unfaithful and disloyal women
So yeah better be unhappy knowing the truth than live a life built on lies

And for a man not getting pregnant well
If you're immasculated your estrogen levels would be high so technically u become a woman 😏

You're just a joke

But it is NOT all about you! That's the whole point. There is societly at large to consider!
It is govt's duty to safeguard life and property and have society running as smoothly as possible. Unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions of minors raised from birth do not in any.way contribute to any if that. It does the opposite!

As for men getting pregnant, you're talking about yourself!

GenFunction:
Some people cant be helped.
I know that for sure .

You can say thst again. No matter how cogent the reasons you give them they'll still be repeating the same inanities like parrots!

LordReed:
There are now 13 pages of reasons to pack up your weak puerile argument but here you are still demanding a list. Shows you are lost in whatever dreamland you've created for yourself.

Exactly as I thought, you can't come up with a reason and therefore resort to insults.

I can tell you some disadvantages right away without insults - broken homes, fatherless children, and destruction of trust within the home (the mother has now been expressly told her husband doesn't trust her). Add to those the obvious fact that unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions of minors raised from birth do not in any.way contribute to govt's duty to safeguard life and property and have society running as smoothly as possible!

reservd:
Why discourage DNA if one sense foul play? Please on what ground did the man accept the child in the first place? Are you encouraging "bonding and settled family " on false pretence? Isn't it fair for him to know the truth and do whatever he's doing with his full knowledge and awareness?

Thanks for simply stating your points instead of resorting to insults like some people (a certain LordReed comes to mind!)
Well, you'll have had a point if it were all about him, but it emphatically is not! There is the well-being and smooth-running of society at large to comsider.
Broken homes, fatherless children, and destruction of trust within the home - the only possible outcomes of unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions of minors raised from birth, do not in any.way contribute to any of that. Neither does it help the govt in it's responsibility to safeguard life and property (fatherless children are disproportionately manace to society)

LordReed:
The guy is astoundingly clueless.

Clueless is an understatement!
I was even thinking the moniker is female.

QuinQQ:
Thanks for simply stating your points instead of resorting to insults like some people (a certain LordReed comes to mind!)
Well, you'll have had a point if it were all about him, but it emphatically is not! There is the well-being and smooth-running of society at large to comsider.
Broken homes, fatherless children, and destruction of trust within the home - the only possible outcomes of unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions of minors raised from birth, do not in any.way contribute to any of that. Neither does it help the govt in it's responsibility to safeguard life and property (fatherless children are disproportionately manace to society)

See this wonderful story

QuinQQ:
Thanks for simply stating your points instead of resorting to insults like some people (a certain LordReed comes to mind!)
Well, you'll have had a point if it were all about him, but it emphatically is not! There is the well-being and smooth-running of society at large to comsider.
Broken homes, fatherless children, and destruction of trust within the home - the only possible outcomes of unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions of minors raised from birth, do not in any.way contribute to any of that. Neither does it help the govt in it's responsibility to safeguard life and property (fatherless children are disproportionately manace to society)

this one na society be her concern
abeg no born for one low life carry go give another man.
na beg i d beg u

DMCA:
See this wonderful story

Interesting, but it is out of the purview of this thread. We're only concerned with uwarranted fishing expedition DNA of children approximately 10 to 18 years of age!

DMCA:
this one na society be her concern
abeg no born for one low life carry go give another man.
na beg i d beg u

Until some fatherless armed robber attacks you, you'll realize society ought be concern of we all.
We're more concerned with who raises a child than sperm donors.

QuinQQ:
Until some fatherless armed robber attacks you, you'll realize society ought be concern of we all.
We're more concerned with who raises a child than sperm donors.

must u force people to take care of other people's bastards?

QuinQQ:
Interesting, but it is out of the purview of this thread. We're only concerned with uwarranted fishing expedition DNA of children approximately 10 to 18 years of age!

how many children do u have?

DMCA:
must u force people to take care of other people's bastards?

This thread is NOT about forcing anybody to do anything. It is about preventing you from trying to create a problem (for society) where non exists - spending your scarce resources trying to prove that your teenager is not your child. A child you've raised and loved from infancy! Even if he turns out to be your child (which is 90% likely) the home may still break because you've clearly told your wife you don't trust her!

DMCA:
how many children do u have?

Never mind me, just tell us the benefits of unwarranted fishing expedition expensive DNA on a teenager you've raised and loved from birth

QuinQQ:
Never mind me, just tell us the benefits of unwarranted fishing expedition expensive DNA on a teenager you've raised and loved from birth

are u married?

QuinQQ:
And what are the reasons? Can you please state them and say how they justify SUDDEN UNWARRANTED DNA FISHING EXPEDITIONS? Tell us how they justify costly DNA on a teenager by the only father he knows who had raised him from infancy!

QuinQQ:
Exactly as I thought, you can't come up with a reason and therefore resort to insults.

I can tell you some disadvantages right away without insults - broken homes, fatherless children, and destruction of trust within the home (the mother has now been expressly told her husband doesn't trust her). Add to those the obvious fact that unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions of minors raised from birth do not in any.way contribute to govt's duty to safeguard life and property and have society running as smoothly as possible!

Bro we've tried reasoning with you and after 14 pages you are still clueless and myopic. Further reasoning with you is a waste of time, you are not ready to be reasonable.

LordReed:
Bro we've tried reasoning with you and after 14 pages you are still clueless and myopic. Further reasoning with you is a waste of time, you are not ready to be reasonable.

Can you please show a screenshot of a post of yours that displays this "reasoning"

DMCA:
are u married?

Never mind me, just tell us the benefits of unwarranted fishing expedition expensive DNA on a teenager you've raised and loved from birth

QuinQQ:
Can you please show a screenshot of a post of yours that displays this "reasoning"

I said WE not I, another evidence that you are incapable of being reasonable.

I quite agree with you but what happened to the biological father of the "fatherless" children? We are in a society where the actual father can later come and claim his child unless he's already late. This child we are "protecting here, how will he/she feel finding out the person he has been looking up to isn't his/her biological father. My point in all these is just sincerity from the onset, that's all

QuinQQ:
Thanks for simply stating your points instead of resorting to insults like some people (a certain LordReed comes to mind!)
Well, you'll have had a point if it were all about him, but it emphatically is not! There is the well-being and smooth-running of society at large to comsider.
Broken homes, fatherless children, and destruction of trust within the home - the only possible outcomes of unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions of minors raised from birth, do not in any.way contribute to any of that. Neither does it help the govt in it's responsibility to safeguard life and property (fatherless children are disproportionately manace to society)

LordReed:
I said WE not I, another evidence that you are incapable of being reasonable.

And can you please tell us why you can't stand on your own two feet? Why must you drag "we" into it??
See, you're too adversarial about the whole thing, using words like "clueless",
"myopic", "puerile", "lost in dreamland", instead of simply stating your points! Which is actually a sign of someone with no cogent argument.
This is a discussion, a debate, not some fight. You present your points and if someone doesn't get it or pretend they don't get it, you present it again - exactly what I do!
No need for insulting or adversarial tone!

QuinQ:
And can you please tell us why you can't stand on your own two feet? Why must you drag "we" into it??
See, you're too adversarial about the whole thing, using words like "clueless",
"myopic", "puerile", "lost in dreamland", instead of simply stating your points! Which is actually a sign of someone with no cogent argument.
This is a discussion, a debate, not some fight. You present your points and if someone doesn't get it or pretend they don't get it, you present it again - exactly what I do!
No need for insulting or adversarial tone!

Unlike you I don't arrogantly think the ideas I dreamed up while navel gazing are supreme, I can recognise when people have excellent points. Lots of people have given you well thought out and well written rebuttals to anything you have to say and instead of considering it you just repeat your already thoroughly defeated idea.

CoolUsername:
How does a man end up unwittingly raising a child that isn't his outside of adultery and paternity?

That's the thing, we don't know whether there's been any of that. We do know that about 90% of cases turn out to be the man's biological child.
But that's not our concern here. What we are concerned with is discouraging sudden unwarranted expensive DNA fishing expeditions on teenagers raised from infancy!

addictiv:
We are going round in circles because you keep dressing up injustice as family protection.

Let us call your position exactly what it is.

You believe that once a man has loved, raised and financially supported a child for long enough, he should be denied the truth because his continued ignorance is useful to the mother, convenient for the government and less disruptive for society.

That is not protecting a family. That is exploiting a man’s love and using his emotional investment as a trap.

You say the child may become fatherless if the man walks away. But a child needing a father does not give the state the right to manufacture one through deception. The solution is to identify the biological father and make him fulfil his responsibilities, not to force an innocent man to carry another man’s obligation because he is already available.

You also cannot declare infidelity and paternity fraud irrelevant. A negative DNA result does not fall from the sky. Either there was a hospital error or another man fathered the child. Those facts are the entire reason the result matters.

You keep calling the family settled. A lie does not become legitimate because it remained hidden for many years. Fraud does not become acceptable because the victim has already invested heavily. In fact, the longer the deception continues, the greater the emotional and financial damage.

If the child is his, the test confirms it and the family continues. If the child is not his, the test did not destroy the family. The deception did. You are blaming the alarm for revealing the fire.

And if your genuine concern is protecting children from the shock of a late discovery, then compulsory DNA testing at birth is the obvious solution. Establish the truth before years of bonding, sacrifice and responsibility. You cannot reject early verification and then use the damage caused by late verification as an excuse to ban the truth entirely.

Your argument reduces the man to a disposable provider. His consent does not matter. His money does not matter. His emotional wellbeing does not matter. His right to know does not matter. All that matters is that he remains in position and continues paying so society does not have to deal with the consequences.

That is not fatherhood. That is forced responsibility through state protected ignorance.

A man may discover that the child is not biologically his and still choose to remain because of the love and bond they share. That would be genuine fatherhood because it would be based on truth and choice.

What you are proposing is not love, choice or family stability. It is deception made convenient.

Fairly long one.
(I never said I was against birth DNA)
Ok, let's be clear what we are talking about here:
90% of DNA test cases the husband is the biological. So we're talking about 10%. Different if the tests were free and unobtrusive. But no, they're expensive and involves the children and their mother knowing their father lacks trust in them. And love too because if you love someone you won't be out trying to prove they're not your child. That's enough to break up a home even if it turns out the father is the biological!

Also remember, all through history there had never been DNA tests and sometimes, unbeknownst to the father, the most successful of his children is not even his biological child
but he gets all the accolade as his father and the child carries his name and proudly references him as his father.
Can't you see that matters way more than sperm??

Here's what a real father wrote below on this thread. Govt law will be to encourage all fathers of teenagers to be more like that!
Here it is:

But jokes apart, there's elements of truth here o. Because after the love and bond with my children from pregnancy to infancy to adolescent to adult, many times we've shared love, sufferings, laughter, pains and joy together then one idiot from nowhere wants to drag me to go and do DNA, as how naw? The fact is that, I will never ever want to think whether the children are mine or not. Children wey i nurture from pregnancy till now

QuinQ:
That's the thing, we don't know whether there's been any of that. We do know that about 90% of cases turn out to be the man's biological child.
But that's not our concern here. What we are concerned with is discouraging sudden unwarranted expensive DNA fishing expeditions on teenagers raised from infancy!

His money, his choice

CoolUsername:
His money, his choice

Why doesn't he use his money to marry a consenting underage girl? It is his money and the girl is willing

LordReed:
Unlike you I don't arrogantly think the ideas I dreamed up while navel gazing are supreme, I can recognise when people have excellent points. Lots of people have given you well thought out and well written rebuttals to anything you have to say and instead of considering it you just repeat your already thoroughly defeated idea.

😅
Poor guy, he can't think of any points to present!😂

QuinQQ:
You are the coward for not realizing that the main concern ought be to prevent potentially destabilizing a settled family unit which will likely produce fatherless children and menace to society! If the man walks away who'd fill his obligation to that child? Is it not society and govt? ? The main aim is to prevent broken homes and allow children be raised with a father in their lives! You're a coward for not realizing that a man who has raised a child from infancy to teenage years is his father, for not realizing that unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions will only destroy ta family or destroy trust within the family!

I pour you spit bro you are cursed! 😆

QuinQ:
😅
Poor guy, he can't think of any points to present!😂

Haa, poor guy, he can't think.