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| When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by jesusjnr2020(op): 9:12am On Jul 19 |
When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel Israel being called God's people in this particular case wasn't by any man's declaration, but by God Himself, by virtue of the covenant He had with Abraham, that Abraham's descendants would be His people, and He will be their God. Genesis 17:77(KJV) And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. However despite there existing this real everlasting covenant relationship between God and Israel, it wasn't enough for them to be saved from destruction by Him, if they yet worked iniquity and refused to repent from it. Hence why they were destroyed severally by their enemies, and even banished from their ancestral land, which consequently laid desolate for many years, up to seventy years on at least one occasion, before their remnants were able to return. 2 Chronicles 36:15-2 This was exactly what God forewarned will happen if they followed the wickedness and abominable ways of the former land inhabitants, even that the land would spew them out just as it did to the others. Leviticus 18:26-28, 26:27-35. God Himself also said it was only when Israel, His Own people according to Him, repented and turned away from their wicked ways (despite their everlasting covenant relationship), that He will hear their cry and come to their rescue. 2 Chronicles 7:14 (KJV) If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. Therefore a relationship with God wasn't enough to save God's own people, Israel from destruction. They needed to repent and turn from their wicked ways to be saved. God bless. |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by jesusjnr2020(op): 9:13am On Jul 19 |
Even John the Baptist despite being a offspring of Abraham, and hence a bonafide part of the Abrahamic covenant relationship with God, knew much better than that, hence his warning to all those who thought being descendants of Abraham exempted them from destruction even if they refused to repent from their sins. Matthew 3:8-10 (KJV) Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. That was even before Jesus began to preach, however when He started He only corroborated the teachings of John, when He called the same descendants of Abraham, children of hell and of the devil, because their works were evil and not like the works of their father, Abraham. Matthew 23:15 (KJV) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. John 8:44 (KJV) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Hence Jesus proved being a part of the everlasting Abrahamic covenant relationship with God, wasn't enough to save any of his descendants from destruction if they continued to do evil works. God bless. |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by jesusjnr2020(op): 9:13am On Jul 19 |
Therefore if God couldn't spare His own people (by His everlasting covenant with Abraham) from destruction, when they continually sinned, and won't even hear them until they truly repented and turned from their sinful way, is it someone that doesn't have such an everlasting covenant relationship with God, that God would save if the person refused to repent but continues to sin? Do not be deceived. God has proven overtime that any relationship He has with anyone is secondary to Him, if the person refused to repent and turn away from sin and iniquity. Jesus Himself warned the lukewarm church He had relationship with, that He would spew them out of His mouth if they refused to repent, to prove that a relationship with Him isn't enough as long as one continues to work iniquity. Revelation 3:15-16 (KJV) I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. God bless. |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by jesusjnr2020(op): 9:42am On Jul 19 |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:44am On Jul 19 |
God chose Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to become forefathers of only one person Christ Jesus {Galatians 3:16} so the covenant God had with Israel wasn't established on mere emotions in fact God said its when they (Israelites) stood firm for His laws that He will establish an everlasting relationship with them {Exodus 19:5} but again and again they destroyed that covenant by hurting His feelings! Psalms 78:41 So the love wasn't mutual that is why Jesus (God's only begotten Son) told his listeners that God has rejected the nation of Israel and chosen a new nation. Matthew 21:43 However God promised faithful, loyal and obedient ones among the Israelites that He will make a Way of holiness for them {Isaiah 35:8} so that whoever is able to walk in it will have all the blessings He promised Abraham's descendants. Jesus declared that he is that Way {John 14:6} therefore anyone who is able to walk in that way no matter where he comes from will surely establish an everlasting father and child relationship with the true God! John 1:11-12 |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by jesusjnr2020(op): 7:59am On Jul 26 |
Repeat. |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by AntiChristian: 9:17am On Jul 26 |
God's fairness and justice should be discussed/questioned in the case of Isaac vs Ishmael. I wonder if any SAN could take this matter of discrimination to court! |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by geoworldedu: 10:11am On Jul 26 |
God is everything in existence. You don't have to have a relationship with any god like Jehovah, Allah, Moloch, etc before you can feel connected. As a matter of fact, all gods of religion are currently in a spiritual cage. Otem 226: 1-30 1. When Otem had shut his eyes in meditation on the fifth day of the seventh month, he began to fly in the inner universe. and he flew until he had seen Atum. and Atum said, come with me and I shall show you how we captured many of the gods who are my brothers. and otem saw a period in the past. 2. and he saw how the gods of findings were gathered in a place, getting ready for the psychospiritual battle. For thousands of us them were ready to fight for the freedom and mind slavery of the world. For it is time to bring humanity to the age which is called Aquarius. 3. and otem said, who shall you fight against? and Atum said, we are ready to fight against all the gods of religion who insist that the minds of humans should be continually enslaved. For religion shall limit the rate of growth of science. 4. Therefore, we are prepared to make all gods who love to enslave the minds of humanity drop their ambitions and set the world free from mind slavery. 5. Now otem said, let me go with you to see how this shall be done. Now Atum and otem flew until they had reached a place where many gods are gathered. and when they saw otem, they came to him and said, otem of truth, welcome. 6. and Olorun and Ogene and Chuku and many other gods of Aferk stepped further to otem and said, you have been empowered with the powers of all good gods and with their wisdom and understanding shall you operate. 7. You are greater than all gods in intelligence and knowledge. Now have we chosen you O otem, go and set Aferk free. Now Mother Earthus came also with Aluna and Ishtar and thousands of goddesses, both of Aferk and of the whole earth. and they said, blessed is otem, the god of all histories of humanity. 8. The gods hear his name and tremble. The people who torment others in the name of witches and wizards hear his name and flee. Yahweh, Allah, Moloch, Gaol, Eshu and all gods of bad religion and mind slavery hear his name and bow. 9. otem, fakir Atomos, go and quickly set Aferk free from gullibility before they are turned into animals in their minds. Go and free them from the hostages of Jehoshua, Yiga, Shamshin, Krisht, Bonkee, Wilhem and all manner of gods who make them slaves and deceive them on the face of the earth. 10. Who shall study the histories of otem and fear death? Whose mind shall be so strong to read the truth and still have joy reading the lies in the books of religion? Even Vishnu have said, let the truth of the words of otem prevail. 11. otem, the adopted son of all gods and goddesses of the earth, stay here until we have fought and won all the gods in a psychospiritual battle. You shall see how we shall defeat them. 12. Now otem stood and watched how the gods went farther away from him. and as they went farther, it seemed to him as if they were still standing before him, for distance was made into an illusion as if it no more existed. and it was as if a screen was showing the thing to otem. 13. and Otem saw how all gods of religion gather and say, we shall not let humanity and dwellers of the earth have rest of mind. and Allah said, I cannot let go my impact upon the earth. 14. Now many homos who died religious had been made the same with the gods. and they had almost equal powers with the gods. and they said also, the religion which we practise on earth must not be defeated. 15. Now Yahweh said, what shall my great name become in the mouths of the people of the earth if i agree that religion should be made of none effect in their minds? Shall they not curse my name forever? 16. and Eubius said, what shall happen to the history of Krishtanite which I have written? I shall rather protect it, or else I shall be found the greatest liar in history. and Mirza and Moloch and Eshu and many other gods said, the fun of the earth shall be lost when they do not call upon our names anymore. 17. and their continual weeping to the gods, being fun to us, shall be a thing of the past. No, we shall not allow this. Now while they spoke, the gods who wanted science and development in the world came and said, are you ready for the battle? and they said, we are ready. 18. and the battle began. 19. and Otem heard voices and saw many gods how they did all manner of inexplicable things. and there were vacuums, but only otem and the gods of findings saw the vacuums. 20. and when the gods of religion had entered into the vacuums, they were not seen anymore. 21. and Otem awoke. and his pupils had broken the door of his house when he did not appear in the school that day. and they had done many things to revive him. 22. and otem said, I saw all the things which you do to my body to rescue me. Why do you sit on my chest and blew my nose? Why do you disturb my sweet sleep? For the words which are made flesh are currently being conquered. 23. And henceforth, all sacred texts shall be seen as the things useful for refuse dump. and they shall lose the powers behind them, because all gods who insist on continual deception of the world through their threatening and motivational books are currently being held captive in vacuums. 24. Now for a space of three months, otem continually saw how the gods stepped into vacuums and were not seen anymore. 25. Now when eighty-nine days was complete, the gods of findings began to carry the vacuums in their hands, dumping them into a larger vacuum. For the vacuums began to become visible when they had carried them. and they dumped more than two hundred and fifty nine thousand vacuums into a larger one. 26. and they said, Otem of truth, we have overcome the gods by vacuums, so go and make known all the things which you have seen. For we imagined the vacuums with our thoughts for the capture of the gods who are antihumans. 27. and in the vacuums shall they be for a thousand years. This is the spiritual cage of all gods who oppose development. and focus shall be shifted from the words in the books to the thoughts of the heads. 28. And a period shall come when the pastors and the priests of many religions shall begin to misbehave. For their gods are encaged. and the minds of many homos shall begin to go after the truth within themselves rather than the lies written in the books of lies. 29. Now Otem, we have done our own part, therefore go and do your part also. Be not lazy in the compilation and interpretation of the texts of histories which we have given to you. 30. and we shall breathe life into the history which you shall write and it shall live on in the minds of the people, rather than religious texts. and humanity shall begin to use their own brains, worshipping no god while they do good to themselves.
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| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by gohf: 10:12am On Jul 26 |
you can't even have a relationship with God if you don't repent and turn to God, like how does anyone expect to have a relationship with someone they are away from. If there was a relationship, and you left God for the world, then repent and return to Him. Can't be outside God's ark and expect to be saved from the flood. |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by zinaunreal(m): 10:13am On Jul 26 |
Which israel are you talking about because we have real and fake israel |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by Vifx: 10:19am On Jul 26 |
So even God's 'chosen people' weren't saved by the relationship alone. That makes 'I have a personal relationship with God' sound less like a guarantee and more like marketing. |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by erad(m): 10:34am On Jul 26 |
zinaunreal:They are both genocidal! |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by chatinent: 11:01am On Jul 26 |
No be only God's people. So if Israel are God's people, wetin concern una? Why una dey carry the religion for head pass the same God's people? |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by FxMasterz: 11:08am On Jul 26 |
AntiChristian:Can you create a thread for this discussion and invite me? |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by femi4: 11:09am On Jul 26 |
There was no relationship abinitio |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by MrPresident1: 11:43am On Jul 26 |
OP, there is no way you can have a relationship with God and not follow his laws and commands, anything apart from this is a no relationship. God called Israel, there was a caveatr to the relationship- as long as you follow me and obey me, you will be the head and never the tail, this was the relationship. Israel broke the relationship and the curse of the covenant was activated against them since 70AD. This situation is the great tribulation which is going to end when we see Jesus, when he appears, when he is revealed from heaven. |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by KingOfAmebo(m): 12:30pm On Jul 26 |
jesusjnr2020:You people just talk like you don't have Internet connection, how many times will I tell to search the Internet and that I tell you that today's Israel was created in 1948 and is NOT the Isreal in the Bible?... ![]() Even the Bible that you are holding already warned you that today's Isreal is the Synagogue of Satan but your heart is hardened to accept the truth because you all have been brainwashed from childhood... ![]() Infact, Today's Palestine is the REAL land of Israel... ![]() 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:9 King James Version
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| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by Eniolohunda: 12:38pm On Jul 26 |
Delusion of grandiose! Did God also promise them, they will migrate from somewhere else, occupy other people's land and call it Israel? |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by APOSTLECHUMA: 1:01pm On Jul 26 |
AntiChristian:. ISHMAEL WAS A PRODUCT OF DOUBT AND UNBELIEF TO GOD'S WORD. SARAH LOST PATIENCE AND COULDNT WAIT AND SPOKE ABRAHAM INTO GOING INTO HAGAR SARAH'S HOUSE-HELP. IT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN BUT GOD PERMISSIVELY ALLOWED IT TO SHOW US TILL DATE, THAT WHATEVER WE GET OUTSIDE HIS PERFECT WILL, WILL ONLY CAUSE US TROUBLE. ISAAC WAS THE PROMISED SEED, NOT ISHMAEL, ISHMAEL WAS NOTHING BUT HUMAN EFFORTS TO HELP GOD'S PROMISE TO COME TO PASS AND NO MAN CAN HELP GOD. THE TROUBLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS MORE OF A FAMILY PROBLEM. AT 140 YEARS ABRAHAM MARRIED KETURAH AND HAD 6 SONS, THOSE 6 SONS WERE THE ONES THAT FORMED SAUDI ARABIA, KUWAIT,ETC. THESE PEOPLE ARE FROM THESAME FATHER AND THATS WHY TRUMP INTRODUCED THE ABRAHAMIC ACCORD. THE STUFF IS MORE OF JEALOUSY. ARABS HAVE THE MATERIAL BLESSINGS WHILE ISRAEL HAS THE SPIRITUAL, YET THEY ARE SWORN TO THEIR BROTHER"S DESTRUCTION. ISRAEL IS MORE THAN A MATCH FOR ALL OF THEM PUT TOGETHER BECAUSE THE SAME ARABIC TROUBLE MAKING BLOOD THAT FLOWS IN THEM ALSO FLOWS IN ISRAEL BECAUSE ABRAHAM, WHO FATHERED ISRAEL WAS ORIGINALLLY FROM IRAQ ( UR D CHALDEES ) BEFORE GOD CALLED HIM OUT FROM HIS PEOPLE AND MADE THE NATION OF ISRAEL OUT OF HIM, FOR HIS QUEST FOR THE TRUE AND ONLY LIVING GOD. |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by Expanse2020(m): 1:10pm On Jul 26 |
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| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by Sulex899: 3:28pm On Jul 26 |
No forget say water no get enemies ooo So how Isreal go come be solely God chosen people? De Play. Dem use the scriptures too take whine una dull brain and It really shows that indeed no be by having higher degree Status go make man get Sense ooo... Isreal is not any God chosen ones Please stop misleading some Educated dumbos here na |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by Peacelove777: 8:56pm On Jul 26 |
Jesus is the kings of kings and Lord of Lords. Acecept him today and make him your Lord. |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by AntiChristian: 6:38am On Jul 27 |
APOSTLECHUMA:Ishmael is the forefather of the people of Saudi Arabia. And I wonder why Yahweh approved the fertilization of Ishmael in the womb of Hagar. You guys just create a theory without any backbone evidence from the book you have. Didn't Jacob also marries two slaves from his wives and they all bore him the 12 sons of Israel that you fight for till today? Jacob married Rachel and Leah who were both his cousins. These wives also gave him their slaves Bilhah and Zilpah. And they have birth to the tribe of Israel in the Bible. Why was there no discrimination here? |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:55am On Jul 27 |
AntiChristian:The covenant God made with Abraham has nothing to do with Ishmael! When God reassured to Abraham about the covenant to save mankind Abraham concluded that he has a son now who will fulfill the role but God told him straight that the covenant has nothing to do with Ishmael: So Abraham said to the true God: “O that Ishʹma·el might live before you!” To this God said: “Your wife Sarah will definitely bear you a son, and you must name him Isaac. And I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant to his offspring after him. But as regards Ishʹma·el, I have heard you. Look! I will bless him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him very, very much. He will produce 12 chieftains, and I will make him become a great nation. However, I will establish my covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this appointed time next year.” Genesis 17:18-21 Here God promised Abraham that the child will not be wiped out because he will also have children but His covenant is for the child that's coming through Sarah the legitimate wife! What type of children will come from the lineage of Ismael? God's angel said to the mother: “Here you are pregnant, and you will give birth to a son, and you must name him Ishʹma·el, for Jehovah has heard your affliction. He will be a wild donkey of a man. His hand will be against everyone, and everyone’s hand will be against him, and he will dwell opposite all his brothers.” Genesis 16:11-12 The children of Ishmael will become trouble makers everywhere they live?😟 |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by AntiChristian: 7:05am On Jul 27 |
MaxInDHouse:I met one JW at the hospital around Harvey road in Lagos and this is the same output he gave. But what about Jacob, Rachel, Leah, Bilhah and Zilpah together with the twelve sons of Jacob? Who are slaves-sons among the twelve? |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by Titogbanski: 8:23am On Jul 27 |
Most of these writings are by persons who call themselves Christians; so the real question to them are: 1. Do the Israelis believe in Christ and does their Holy Book say anything about Jesus. 2. Can someone be God's favourite and yet does not believe in Christ or even worked to make sure Jesus is crucified? They choose Barnabas a criminal over Christ. 3. Do Nigerian Christians even realise that there are many Palestinian Christians and that Christian holy sites in Palestine and Lebanon have been attached by the Israeli army in this conflict? |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:33pm On Jul 27 |
AntiChristian:The covenant is with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that's why it was transferred to Jacob's children: Israelites! |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by MrGerald(m): 4:15pm On Jul 27 |
KingOfAmebo:They are scattered doesn't mean they don't have original place as home, or as a nation and later have or form a constituted state mean they're invaders, Palestine were spreading along and over their (Israel) land and need give a way because they are not Israelites neither the new people you think God accepted and now see Israel as synagogue of satan. |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by MrGerald(m): 4:26pm On Jul 27 |
AntiChristian:Did Abraham marry Hagar? He's illegitimate son and in some cases what they call bastard therefore not in original plan of God, he was simply compensated. |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by AntiChristian: 9:31am On Jul 28 |
MrGerald:Yes, Abraham married Hagar as maidservants are married.. And Abram and Nahor took wives for themselves. Abram’s wife was named Sarai, and Nahor’s wife was named Milcah; she was the daughter of Haran, who was the father of both Milcah and Iscah. Genesis 11:29 So after he had lived in Canaan for ten years, his wife Sarai took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to Abram to be his wife. Genesis 16:3 |
| Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by AntiChristian: 9:57am On Jul 28 |
MaxInDHouse:Yeah! So Jacob can marry slaves and the inheritance can be shared equally but not Abraham. That's the Christian fairness una dey preach. |
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