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DiarisGodoo:
I am in Southern US right now, very close to where you write about. In fact my very first girlfriend (who almost worshipped me because I was the best in Physics class) was a light-skinned Creole. We met in Physics class and she was the first persin I heard the word "Creole" from. You must be an old person because the current generation don't think like this. She would say almost everything you writing here is a lie.

I saw OP already told you there were no slaves before arrival of Europeans. He is right. Whoever was writing what you posted never experienced Wrst Africa before arrival of outsiders.

Lucky guy. What broke you two up? You still in touch with her?
As for Secretbloodline, he doesn't realize how ridiculous he sounds. It never occurs to him that if any society were half as bad as the liars paint, African societies would not have survived 100 years, talkless of thousands of years

DiarisGodoo:
Pure fiction written here in US by someone reading books and has no first-hand knowledge of Nigeria. Or someone deliberately making things up. Lagos became important with arrival of outsiders because it was close to the sea, and everything you written relates to that arrival.

See how in US you talk about whose ancestor was born free or slave, ever wonder why there is no such talk in Nigeria? Because everyone was born free! Nobody's ancestors were slaves! Think about it, all the captured people who were returned to Nigeria at end of slave trade (but not slavery) nobody enslaved them. Ever wonder why? Because it was not in our culture to enslave people and many of them went on to become pillars of society.

Thank you! I'll tag more people, maybe if enough tell him he'll finally get it through his skull that there was zero slavery (defined as American-style slavery) in precolonial core West Africa!

DMCA:
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Our boy, Mr Yaba Left

Secretbloodline:
### Confronting the Shadows of Prestige: A Re-examination of the Igbo Slave Trade

History is rarely a neat tapestry of heroes and villains. More often, it is an intricate web of human ambition, cultural blind spots, and uncomfortable truths. This complexity is precisely what Nigerian journalist Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani brought to light when she courageously opened her family archives to reveal the life of her great-grandfather, Nwaubani Ogogo Oriaku—a man of immense stature, cultural reverence, and a prolific trader of human beings.

In the late 19th century, within the hinterlands of southeastern Nigeria, the acquisition of human cargo was not viewed through the lens of modern moral tragedy. Instead, it was treated as the ultimate metric of power. When a trader successfully captured or sold a captive, it was treated not with shame, but as a triumph of the highest order. Local praise singers would weave the trader’s exploits into song, celebrating his cunning and strength much like they would a warrior returning from a victorious battle, a wrestler who conquered the arena, or a hunter who felled a lion.

> "In that era, human trafficking brought immense riches, which funded grand community feasts and elevated family legacies."

While the specific mechanics of these transactions relied on agents and networks spanning from the interior to coastal ports like Calabar and Bonny, the cultural landscape surrounding it was steeped in local tradition. Major business successes and celebrations of status in Igbo society were inherently communal events. They were marked by the rhythmic pulse of traditional music, the gathering of elders, and the sharing of palm wine. The wealth generated from this trade did more than just line pockets; it purchased European luxury imports, funded elaborate title-taking ceremonies, and cemented a family’s aristocracy under the administrative gaze of the British Royal Niger Company.

Yet, this prestige carried a devastating human cost. Those who were not marched to the coast to fill the hulls of ships bound for Brazil or Cuba remained as domestic laborers—or worse, became ultimate status symbols, sacrificed at religious rituals or buried alive to serve their masters in the afterlife.

By pulling back the curtain on how effortlessly cruelty can be wrapped in the garments of cultural celebration, Nwaubani’s reflections force a vital dialogue. They remind us that history must be examined with an unyielding gaze, recognizing that the systems we celebrate today may become the reckonings of tomorrow.

He doesn't even see he's contradicting himself.
How is this PRE-COLONIAL Nigeria? Though these are mostly lies impressed upon a young lady, but assuming they are true, WERE THEY NOT CONDITIONS CREATED BY EUROPEANS AND THEIR INSATIABLE GREED FOR HUMAN CARGO?? You have already been shown that conditions of enslaved people with the French were so horrific that they quickly died and they needed constant fresh supplies!

Please watch this video by a White American carefully before responding further (and the truth is, he didn’t even say half of it)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cq6IfPTMHXP/?igsh=MTA1cGFzNG94MzQ0cg==

Secretbloodline:
### Confronting the Shadows of Prestige: A Re-examination of the Igbo Slave Trade

History is rarely a neat tapestry of heroes and villains. More often, it is an intricate web of human ambition, cultural blind spots, and uncomfortable truths. This complexity is precisely what Nigerian journalist Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani brought to light when she courageously opened her family archives to reveal the life of her great-grandfather, Nwaubani Ogogo Oriaku—a man of immense stature, cultural reverence, and a prolific trader of human beings.

In the late 19th century, within the hinterlands of southeastern Nigeria, the acquisition of human cargo was not viewed through the lens of modern moral tragedy. Instead, it was treated as the ultimate metric of power. When a trader successfully captured or sold a captive, it was treated not with shame, but as a triumph of the highest order. Local praise singers would weave the trader’s exploits into song, celebrating his cunning and strength much like they would a warrior returning from a victorious battle, a wrestler who conquered the arena, or a hunter who felled a lion.

> "In that era, human trafficking brought immense riches, which funded grand community feasts and elevated family legacies."

While the specific mechanics of these transactions relied on agents and networks spanning from the interior to coastal ports like Calabar and Bonny, the cultural landscape surrounding it was steeped in local tradition. Major business successes and celebrations of status in Igbo society were inherently communal events. They were marked by the rhythmic pulse of traditional music, the gathering of elders, and the sharing of palm wine. The wealth generated from this trade did more than just line pockets; it purchased European luxury imports, funded elaborate title-taking ceremonies, and cemented a family’s aristocracy under the administrative gaze of the British Royal Niger Company.

Yet, this prestige carried a devastating human cost. Those who were not marched to the coast to fill the hulls of ships bound for Brazil or Cuba remained as domestic laborers—or worse, became ultimate status symbols, sacrificed at religious rituals or buried alive to serve their masters in the afterlife.

By pulling back the curtain on how effortlessly cruelty can be wrapped in the garments of cultural celebration, Nwaubani’s reflections force a vital dialogue. They remind us that history must be examined with an unyielding gaze, recognizing that the systems we celebrate today may become the reckonings of tomorrow.

Please research diligently and come tell us where the slaves were hiding in Nigeria pre-colonial times.

Because we know for a fact:
There were no slaves in Hausaland
Tere were no slaves in Igboland
There were no slaves in Yorubaland

So please, go to the library and do serious research and come tell us where these slaves (and homosexuals, according to you) were hiding!

QuinQQ:
666 was about putting marks on people. Nobody is talking about that. This is about intentionally selecting the best genes humanity has and distributing the resilting babies. People can still have their own biological children if they wish

666 is not just about putting marks on people. It is about thwarting the natural order of things

QuinQQ:
Please research diligently and come tell us where the slaves were hiding in Nigeria pre-colonial times.

Because we know for a fact:
There were no slaves in Hausaland
Tere were no slaves in Igboland
There were no slaves in Yorubaland

So please, go to the library and do serious research and come tell us where these slaves (and homosexuals, according to you) were hiding!

Why you say us, like everyone there supports your lies? When you say that there's no corruption in Nigeria then you silence the voices of those who suffering injustice from corruption in Nigeria. That's what your ancestors did they silenced any voices that slave raiding was wrong until darkness consumed the land and colonialism happened.

Secretbloodline:
You love to lie. Even without the oath you would still be a liar.

Millions of African people transported across the Atlantic to the United States, the Caribbean, Columbia, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and God knows where else they ended. Many ended up in the sea food for sharks that followed the slave ships. The Africans kept more slaves than they sold so there were many of your ancestors that were slave caste. Unless you can prove other wise I assume it's true because denial comes with dishonesty. Silence is complicity. Slavery was celebrated in Lagos. Slavery still goes on in Cameroon and other places in West Africa. Do you want me to pull up those news stories?


Spiritual Envy of Creoles because we stood for freedom and autonomy. We are the descendants of Mediterranean Middle Eastern men by Y DNA scientific fact and documented genealogy, we are not White men Anglos or African men sons. We bought slaves and set them free, married your women and created Free People of Color Communities, the only beacons of freedom in the New World besides some Indigenous People that lived free. Everywhere else Slavery was the norm. Arabs performed more manumission through Islam than Sub Saharan Africans who branded people slave caste for life. I know the truth and y'all 100 percent must take accountability. Don't drag my people into Blackness for we only served Christ. It's documented fact.

Did you miss I said I dated a Creole in college in Louisiana and became intimately familiar with Creoles? You must be in your 70's or 80's because today's Creoles don't have this mindset at all. Infact my girlfriend used to jokingly say to me, "You sold us". And I used to jokingly tell her I didn't sell anybody. Remember, this was a very light-skinned girl who practically worshipped me. But some of her relatives were quite dark-skinned and the older ones spoke a language like French that only them understood.
The younger ones don't share your mindset at all. One of the very light-skinned ones insisted on being called "black man" and that was his nickname, "Black Man". So much for your fixation on black box - it gives away your age.

As for slavery in pre-colonial Nigeria, don't you think there'd have been discussions on this forum on whose ancestors were slaves? You'd never see a Nigerian brag that his ancestors were born free as you've been doing, because every Nigerian's ancestors were born free. It was not in our culture for people to own other people! i read somewhere something about there being slavery of some sort in Sudan, but Sudan is not West Africa. You truly have a very distorted and very wrong view of West Africa - akin to those who believe we live on trees like monkeys.

QuinQQ:
Lucky guy. What broke you two up? You still in touch with her?
As for Secretbloodline, he doesn't realize how ridiculous he sounds. It never occurs to him that if any society were half as bad as the liars paint, African societies would not have survived 100 years, talkless of thousands of years

I transferred to LSU, a white college, from our Southern University which was black. I started dating white girls and we eventually drifted apart.
Yeah, people tend to believe anything in print without considering for a minute that something in print can also be a well-crafted lie, or that the writer doesn’t know the truth himself. The funny thing is that they will see polished people from same Africa here in America yet still continue to believe they live in trees in Africa. Such is the power of the printed word.

DiarisGodoo:
Did you miss I said I dated a Creole in college in Louisiana and became intimately familiar with Creoles? You must be in your 70's or 80's because today's Creoles don't have this mindset at all. Infact my girlfriend used to jokingly say to me, "You sold us". And I used to jokingly tell her I didn't sell anybody. Remember, this was a very light-skinned girl who practically worshipped me. But some of her relatives were quite dark-skinned and the older ones spoke a language like French that only them understood.
The younger ones don't share your mindset at all. One of the very light-skinned ones insisted on being called "black man" and that was his nickname, "Black Man". So much for your fixation on black box - it gives away your age.

As for slavery in pre-colonial Nigeria, don't you think there'd have been discussions on this forum on whose ancestors were slaves? You'd never see a Nigerian brag that his ancestors were born free as you've been doing, because every Nigerian's ancestors were born free. It was not in our culture for people to own other people! i read somewhere something about there being slavery of some sort in Sudan, but Sudan is not West Africa. You truly have a very distorted and very wrong view of West Africa - akin to those who believe we live on trees like monkeys.

You love lying. I don't believe a word you say anymore. You saying slavery didn't exist in Nigeria is like saying that you didn't greet guests with kola? Slaves and kola were like 1 and 2 in Nigeria.


And you're correct most of the Creole women are L1, L2 and L3 maternal haplagroup of Sub Saharan African so your ancestors probably did sell that woman's female ancestors. And maybe some of her ancestors sold some of your ancestors because its still in limbo whether or not your poor papa and poor mama wasn't slaves too. Ain't I a kicker?

DiarisGodoo:
I transferred to LSU, a white college, from our Southern University which was black. I started dating white girls and we eventually drifted apart.
Yeah, people tend to believe anything in print without considering for a minute that something in print can also be a well-crafted lie, or that the writer doesn’t know the truth himself. The funny thing is that they will see polished people from same Africa here in America yet still continue to believe they live in trees in Africa. Such is the power of the printed word.

What a load of rat poo. Nobody said anything about any primates. So you can't defeat my factual conclusions that Creole men aren't your daddies sons and we are not the white man's sons. Being in Nigerian doesn't mean you're a son of a native African or you might be son of a British white. You have yet to declare your father's tribe, either one of you.

Secretbloodline:
You love lying. I don't believe a word you say anymore. You saying slavery didn't exist in Nigeria is like saying that you didn't greet guests with kola? Slaves and kola were like 1 and 2 in Nigeria.


And you're correct most of the Creole women are L1, L2 and L3 maternal haplagroup of Sub Saharan African so your ancestors probably did sell that woman's female ancestors. And maybe some of her ancestors sold some of your ancestors because its still in limbo whether or not your poor papa and poor mama wasn't slaves too. Ain't I a kicker?

Ok, go and read "Things Fall Apart" by my great kinsman, Chunua Achebe, and other great works about pre-colonial Nigeria (or Igbo specifically), see if you will see anything close to slavery. Take it as an assignment. You will really enjoy reading the book.

Secretbloodline:
What a load of rat poo. Nobody said anything about any primates. So you can't defeat my factual conclusions that Creole men aren't your daddies sons and we are not the white man's sons. Being in Nigerian doesn't mean you're a son of a native African or you might be son of a British white. You have yet to declare your father's tribe, either one of you.

You never asked my tribe. I am proudly Igbo and there was nothing even close to slavery in Igboland pre-colonial times. We practiced democracy, and women fully participated in affairs. Research how pre-colonial Igbo was organized and come tell us how it was not superior to Europe of same era.

As for Creoles, you're like a person who doesn't know a war has ended and continues to fight. Vast majority of Creoles of today are fully part of the Black community. Only few old remnants like you are still arguing African blood.

DiarisGodoo:
Ok, go and read "Things Fall Apart" by my great kinsman, Chunua Achebe, and other great works about pre-colonial Nigeria (or Igbo specifically), see if you will see anything close to slavery. Take it as an assignment. You will really enjoy reading the book.

Any book that says slavery in Nigeria is fictional is a work of fiction itself. . Liars.

DiarisGodoo:
You never asked my tribe. I am proudly Igbo and there was nothing even close to slavery in Igboland pre-colonial times. We practiced democracy, and women fully participated in affairs. Research how pre-colonial Igbo was organized and come tell us how it was not superior to Europe of same era.

As for Creoles, you're like a person who doesn't know a war has ended and continues to fight. Vast majority of Creoles of today are fully part of the Black community. Only few old remnants like you are still arguing African blood.

Igbo Landing is a historic site at Dunbar Creek on St. Simons Island, Georgia, where approximately 75 captive Igbo people from West Africa committed a mass suicide in May 1803 by walking into the marshy tidal waters rather than submit to chattel slavery in the United States

Secretbloodline:
Any book that says slavery in Nigeria is fictional is a work of fiction itself. . Liars.

Why not ask any AI platform if "Things Fall Apart" by chinua achebe accurately portrays life in pre-colonial Nigeria and post what it says.
All AI platforms can't be lying, right?

Secretbloodline:
Igbo Landing is a historic site at Dunbar Creek on St. Simons Island, Georgia, where approximately 75 captive Igbo people from West Africa committed a mass suicide in May 1803 by walking into the marshy tidal waters rather than submit to chattel slavery in the United States

Yep, that's the Igbo Spirit - "give me freedom or give me death". Slavery and servile obedience is very alien to them. Each one of those people was a king. That's how Igbo society was set up - every man was a king of his household. There were no kings.

DiarisGodoo:
Why not ask any AI platform if "Things Fall Apart" by chinua achebe accurately portrays life in pre-colonial Nigeria and post what it says.
All AI platforms can't be lying, right?

I already know that book doesn't align with the lies you're telling. Why don't you post excepts of the book so we can all examine it together? Looking forward to your humble pie.

DiarisGodoo:
Yep, that's the Igbo Spirit - "give me freedom or give me death". Slavery and servile obedience is very alien to them. Each one of those people was a king. That's how Igbo society was set up - every man was a king of his household. There were no kings.

Yep, historical evidence shows that a significant portion of enslaved Igbo people were captured and sold by other Igbo factions, primarily driven by powerful merchant networks like the Aro Confederacy. During the transatlantic slave trade, there was no unified "Igbo" political identity; instead, independent sub-groups, clans, and kingdoms operated competitively, often raiding or exploiting one another.

Mechanisms of the Igbo Slave Trade
* The Aro Confederacy: The Aro clan dominated the hinterland trade routes by building a vast mercantile network across Igboland. They used localized mercenary groups (like the Abam, Ohafia, and Edda warriors) to raid independent, unsuspecting Igbo villages.

* The Long Juju Oracle: The Aro controlled a highly revered deity and oracle complex called Ibini Ukpabi (the Long Juju) in Arochukwu. Individuals traveling to settle legal disputes, land issues, or crimes were often falsely "condemned" by the oracle and secretly funneled out through tunnels into the slave network.


* Judicial and Social Exile: Local communities used enslavement as a penal system. People convicted of severe crimes, breaking sacred taboos, or accumulating unpayable debts were frequently sold off to regional markets by their own communities.

* Kidnapping Networks: The spiked demand from European traders led to rampant kidnappings of children and isolated individuals by opportunistic traders operating between distant villages.

The Coastal Supply Chain
* Coastal Middlemen: The Igbo hinterland traders did not deal directly with European ships. They sold captives to coastal ethnic groups—such as the Ijaw, Efik, and Ibibio—who controlled the major ports.

* Major Exit Ports: While Badagry primarily processed captives from the Yoruba wars and the Kingdom of Dahomey, the vast majority of enslaved Igbos (estimated at 1.5 million people) were routed south to ports like Bonny and Calabar in the Bight of Biafra.


We have zero in common.

Secretbloodline:
I already know that book doesn't align with the lies you're telling. Why don't you post excepts of the book so we can all examine it together? Looking forward to your humble pie.

Look at AI on the great book. Do you see US type slavery any place there?
There was never anything like what we call slavery here in US

Secretbloodline:
Yep, historical evidence shows that a significant portion of enslaved Igbo people were captured and sold by other Igbo factions, primarily driven by powerful merchant networks like the Aro Confederacy. During the transatlantic slave trade, there was no unified "Igbo" political identity; instead, independent sub-groups, clans, and kingdoms operated competitively, often raiding or exploiting one another.

Mechanisms of the Igbo Slave Trade
* The Aro Confederacy: The Aro clan dominated the hinterland trade routes by building a vast mercantile network across Igboland. They used localized mercenary groups (like the Abam, Ohafia, and Edda warriors) to raid independent, unsuspecting Igbo villages.

* The Long Juju Oracle: The Aro controlled a highly revered deity and oracle complex called Ibini Ukpabi (the Long Juju) in Arochukwu. Individuals traveling to settle legal disputes, land issues, or crimes were often falsely "condemned" by the oracle and secretly funneled out through tunnels into the slave network.


* Judicial and Social Exile: Local communities used enslavement as a penal system. People convicted of severe crimes, breaking sacred taboos, or accumulating unpayable debts were frequently sold off to regional markets by their own communities.

* Kidnapping Networks: The spiked demand from European traders led to rampant kidnappings of children and isolated individuals by opportunistic traders operating between distant villages.

The Coastal Supply Chain
* Coastal Middlemen: The Igbo hinterland traders did not deal directly with European ships. They sold captives to coastal ethnic groups—such as the Ijaw, Efik, and Ibibio—who controlled the major ports.

* Major Exit Ports: While Badagry primarily processed captives from the Yoruba wars and the Kingdom of Dahomey, the vast majority of enslaved Igbos (estimated at 1.5 million people) were routed south to ports like Bonny and Calabar in the Bight of Biafra.


We have zero in common.

We have zero in common in the sense that you won't ever see me bragging that my ancestors were born free.

You're confusing precolonial with colonial. You're also confusing human trafficking with chattel slavery like in America. Such never existed in Igbo land, even durring slave trade time.

DiarisGodoo:
We have zero in common in the sense that you you won't ever see me bragging that my ancestors were born free.

You're confusing precolonial with colonial. You're also confusing human trafficking with chattel slavery like in America

Your ancestors are 100 percent responsible for the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade and the Trans Shahara Slave Trade. You love Big Man culture and its in your blood. So much of it is in your blood you even extend your greedy hands to claim Creoles as Black like you. You've been disputing evidence and conclusions over and over again just because you think you're superior enough to tell people who they are. I can imagine your ancestors standing over chained human beings shouting that they're nothing but slaves. The arrogance is there big time in you.

QuinQQ:
Please research diligently and come tell us where the slaves were hiding in Nigeria pre-colonial times.

Because we know for a fact:
There were no slaves in Hausaland
Tere were no slaves in Igboland
There were no slaves in Yorubaland

So please, go to the library and do serious research and come tell us where these slaves (and homosexuals, according to you) were hiding!

Here are the specific facts about the Badagry slave trade and the items housed in its historic museum, as documented by the museum's chief guide:

### The Exchange System (Barter Trade)
Before the slave trade escalated, Europeans originally arrived in West Africa seeking gold, ivory, and diamonds. As the transatlantic slave trade developed, it operated heavily on "trade by barter"—the direct exchange of properties and goods.

European traders brought foreign items to Africa and bargained using a strict valuation system for human souls:
* **One Umbrella**: Exchanged for **40 human lives**. Enslaved individuals were forced to carry these heavy umbrellas for hours; if they misplaced or dropped them, they faced immediate execution. The museum houses the only surviving umbrella from this trade.
* **A Bottle of Gin**: Exchanged for **10 human lives**.
* **A Bottle of Wine**: Exchanged for **10 human lives**.
* **Long Cannons**: Exchanged for **100 human lives**.
* **Short Cannons**: Exchanged for **40 human lives**.
* **Ceramic Bowls**: Ten ceramic bowls were traded for **10 human lives**.

### Living Conditions and Confinement
* **The Cells**: Captives were held in the "Brazilian Barracoon" (meaning a slave prison/sale store) while awaiting the arrival of white slave masters. The compound contained 40 cells.
* **Extreme Crowding**: Each cell measured just **9 by 9 feet** with a single, tiny window providing virtually no ventilation.
* **Total Capacity**: Exactly **40 captives** were packed into each tiny room, bringing the compound's total capacity to **1,600 people**. Because there were no facilities, captives had to relieve themselves inside the cells. Many quickly suffocated and died from the extreme heat and stench.
* **Rations**: Captives were only granted access to food and water **once a day**. Up to 50 people were forced to bend down and drink simultaneously from a single open water basin. In the desperate struggle to drink, captives would cut themselves on the sharp edges, spilling blood into the shared water, which they had no choice but to keep drinking.

### Methods of Control and Torture
* **Neck Locks**: Captives wore heavy iron neck chains and were forced to labor on farms with them for **18 hours every day**. They also wore these heavy neck chains continuously for **3 to 4 months** while traveling across the Atlantic.
* **Mouth Clips / Padlocks**: To prevent captives from talking to one another or eating the cash crops while working the farms, traders used iron "mouth clips" that pierced and parlocked the upper and lower lips together.
* **Ankle Iron (The Anno)**: Heavy iron shackles bound the legs of two captives together—the right foot of one to the left foot of another—forcing them to walk and work in lockstep at all times.
* **Slave Branding**: Captives were stripped of their names and forced to take their master's name. For permanent identification, iron branding stamps were heated in open fire and pressed directly onto the captive's back to burn the master's initials into the flesh.
* **Suspension Torture**: For stubborn captives, an iron cuff was forced onto their hand—often breaking the wrist bone in the process. The mechanism used a screw system attached to a tall platform or tree to suspend the captive completely off the ground until they died.
* **Attack Dogs**: High-ranking domestic slave overseers used trained attack dogs taught to tear out the throats of captives who resisted. If a captive managed to kill a dog, masters simply released more dogs to overpower them.

### The Point of No Return
Captives were marched from the slave port across the Badagry River (Lagos Lagoon) to a peninsula known as the **Point of No Return**. From the seashore, small canoes ferried them out to massive ships waiting in the high seas.

Out of pure greed, captains heavily overloaded the ships. If a ship became bogged down in the high sea, or if sharks began trailing and disturbing the vessel, crew members would **throw living tied captives directly into the ocean** to lighten the weight or distract the marine predators.

Secretbloodline:
Your ancestors are 100 percent responsible for the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade and the Trans Shahara Slave Trade. You love Big Man culture and its in your blood. So much of it is in your blood you even extend your greedy hands to claim Creoles as Black like you. You've been disputing evidence and conclusions over and over again just because you think you're superior enough to tell people who they are. I can imagine your ancestors standing over chained human beings shouting that they're nothing but slaves. The arrogance is there big time in you.

Ok, assuming my ancestors were forcing innocent human cargo on Europeans, who was responsible for the cruelty of Middle Passage and the unbelievable horrors perpetrated on the enslaved in US? I await your honest assessment.

As for Creoles, how did I claim them? I didn't even know what Creole was until I came to America and dated one. Also, I thought it was whites that designated Creoles as black. Anyway whoever it was, you're too late. Your type is dying out and the younger Creoles accept they are black and fully part of the black community, while also knowing their Creole heritage. You should have worked harder on them way back. Now it is way too late.

DiarisGodoo:
Ok, assuming my ancestors were forcing innocent human cargo on Europeans, who was responsible for the cruelty of Middle Passage and the unbelievable horrors perpetrated on the enslaved in US? I await your honest assessment.

As for Creoles, how did I claim them? I didn't even know what Creole was until I came to America and dated one. Also, I thought it was whites that designated Creoles as black. Anyway whoever it was, you're too late. Your type is dying out and the younger Creoles accept they are black and fully part of the black community, while also knowing their Creole heritage. You should have worked harder on them way back. Now it is way too late.

Those Creoles that claim Black aren't Creoles. A Creole is a Frankish or Spanish male born in the New World, specifically J2 and G2a haplagroup. We are typically very light skinned although dark skin and fair skinned Creole males exist. And you are correct the Anglos enforced the binary and inclusion of African Americans who are males of African E1b1ba and R1B Anglo into Creole communities. This is because of the shared family with the women. If the mother is Creole but the father is African American because of the matriarch culture of African American primary the child is labeled Creole. But trust me they're not Creoles and their spiritual inheritances are different from us who have the male lineage back to the Mediterranean Middle East. My forefathers have been Christians for almost since the time of Bishop Arias who lived in the 3rd century. My forefathers never raided and enslaved other people. That's the clear difference. Its not the look that I'm debating it's the spiritual bloodline. You clearly haven't understood my point that idolatry doesn't exist in my spirit and I have nothing against the physical qualities of West Africans.


You apparently have issues with light skinned men. And this can be summed up as your ancestors were idolaters just like the British people whose ancestors judged people upon appearance alone.


Dark skinned men and women aren't Creoles by standard and they don't look like our French ancestors but light skinned men and women do. Fair skinned Creoles are not standard Creoles and don't look like our French ancestors. Once you get out of the lying mindset and accept that the image of France isn't white you'd understand. Until then keep your bloody oath.

Secretbloodline:
Why you say us, like everyone there supports your lies? When you say that there's no corruption in Nigeria then you silence the voices of those who suffering injustice from corruption in Nigeria. That's what your ancestors did they silenced any voices that slave raiding was wrong until darkness consumed the land and colonialism happened.

U ok? Who said there was no corruption in Nigeria? I said there was never American-style slavery anywhere in Nigeria!

CanadaOrBust:
666 is not just about putting marks on people. It is about thwarting the natural order of things

So why do you thwart the natural order of things by wearing clothes, limiting number of births, flying in planes, etc. Why do we do things that enhance humanity??

Secretbloodline:
Here are the specific facts about the Badagry slave trade and the items housed in its historic museum, as documented by the museum's chief guide:

### The Exchange System (Barter Trade)
Before the slave trade escalated, Europeans originally arrived in West Africa seeking gold, ivory, and diamonds. As the transatlantic slave trade developed, it operated heavily on "trade by barter"—the direct exchange of properties and goods.

European traders brought foreign items to Africa and bargained using a strict valuation system for human souls:
* **One Umbrella**: Exchanged for **40 human lives**. Enslaved individuals were forced to carry these heavy umbrellas for hours; if they misplaced or dropped them, they faced immediate execution. The museum houses the only surviving umbrella from this trade.
* **A Bottle of Gin**: Exchanged for **10 human lives**.
* **A Bottle of Wine**: Exchanged for **10 human lives**.
* **Long Cannons**: Exchanged for **100 human lives**.
* **Short Cannons**: Exchanged for **40 human lives**.
* **Ceramic Bowls**: Ten ceramic bowls were traded for **10 human lives**.

### Living Conditions and Confinement
* **The Cells**: Captives were held in the "Brazilian Barracoon" (meaning a slave prison/sale store) while awaiting the arrival of white slave masters. The compound contained 40 cells.
* **Extreme Crowding**: Each cell measured just **9 by 9 feet** with a single, tiny window providing virtually no ventilation.
* **Total Capacity**: Exactly **40 captives** were packed into each tiny room, bringing the compound's total capacity to **1,600 people**. Because there were no facilities, captives had to relieve themselves inside the cells. Many quickly suffocated and died from the extreme heat and stench.
* **Rations**: Captives were only granted access to food and water **once a day**. Up to 50 people were forced to bend down and drink simultaneously from a single open water basin. In the desperate struggle to drink, captives would cut themselves on the sharp edges, spilling blood into the shared water, which they had no choice but to keep drinking.

### Methods of Control and Torture
* **Neck Locks**: Captives wore heavy iron neck chains and were forced to labor on farms with them for **18 hours every day**. They also wore these heavy neck chains continuously for **3 to 4 months** while traveling across the Atlantic.
* **Mouth Clips / Padlocks**: To prevent captives from talking to one another or eating the cash crops while working the farms, traders used iron "mouth clips" that pierced and parlocked the upper and lower lips together.
* **Ankle Iron (The Anno)**: Heavy iron shackles bound the legs of two captives together—the right foot of one to the left foot of another—forcing them to walk and work in lockstep at all times.
* **Slave Branding**: Captives were stripped of their names and forced to take their master's name. For permanent identification, iron branding stamps were heated in open fire and pressed directly onto the captive's back to burn the master's initials into the flesh.
* **Suspension Torture**: For stubborn captives, an iron cuff was forced onto their hand—often breaking the wrist bone in the process. The mechanism used a screw system attached to a tall platform or tree to suspend the captive completely off the ground until they died.
* **Attack Dogs**: High-ranking domestic slave overseers used trained attack dogs taught to tear out the throats of captives who resisted. If a captive managed to kill a dog, masters simply released more dogs to overpower them.

### The Point of No Return
Captives were marched from the slave port across the Badagry River (Lagos Lagoon) to a peninsula known as the **Point of No Return**. From the seashore, small canoes ferried them out to massive ships waiting in the high seas.

Out of pure greed, captains heavily overloaded the ships. If a ship became bogged down in the high sea, or if sharks began trailing and disturbing the vessel, crew members would **throw living tied captives directly into the ocean** to lighten the weight or distract the marine predators.

These are things brought by evil, soulless Europeans. Things that were NOT in any way indigenous to Nigeria nor in existence before their arrival! These are the people you praise and defend, instead of being disgusted that they contributed part of your DNA!

QuinQQ:
These are things brought by evil, soulless Europeans. Things that were NOT in any way indigenous to Nigeria nor in existence before their arrival! These are the people you praise and defend, instead of being disgusted that they contributed part of your DNA!

Now who is upset? Yet when using the same AI generated answers against Creoles you don't mind.

Yet I know and you know that these facts draw credible conclusions.

QuinQQ:
U ok? Who said there was no corruption in Nigeria? I said there was never American-style slavery anywhere in Nigeria!

Stop lying.