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Poll: If a man refuses DNA test because he loves the child too much does that make him a simp?

Yes 66% (4 votes)
No 33% (2 votes)
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Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 11:14pm On Aug 20
DMCA:
grin grin grin grin grin
leave QuinQ / QuinQQ boyfriend alone grin
grin cheesy grin
It is time to start showing a misbehaving little god the tree from which he was carved.
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by CanadaOrBust: 11:45pm On Aug 20
DiarisGodoo:
So embarrassing. Caught in a blatant lie. Tells us what we already know: other posts are also lies.

I have never seen someone so proud to be an illegitimate descendant of enslavers and enslaved.
Different if we didn't know the circumstances of his ancestry. This Igbo proverb below aptly applies.
It is also bewildering to me. You'd expect such a person to keep a low profile when ancestry is discussed
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by CanadaOrBust: 11:50pm On Aug 20
LouisdeFrance:
That's why David is not in your lineage. Ha, ha, grin
I didn't know I said I wanted him to be
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by CanadaOrBust: 11:53pm On Aug 20
QuinQQ:
Thank you. And I also said especially if the dad rejected DNA at birth
Of course DNA at birth is a given
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 12:09am On Aug 21
DMCA:
Rapee Batard ou Bastardo grin

Where ma viewing panny at? grin
You nailed it. You deserve two pannies

Whst colour would you call this

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 1:16am On Aug 21
DMCA:
grin grin grin grin grin
leave QuinQ / QuinQQ boyfriend alone grin
You mean fiancé cheesy
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f):
DiarisGodoo:
So embarrassing. Caught in a blatant lie. Tells us what we already know: other posts are also lies.

I have never seen someone so proud to be an illegitimate descendant of enslavers and enslaved.
Different if we didn't know the circumstances of his ancestry. This Igbo proverb below aptly applies.
It is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. It has you wondering if you living in some sort of alternate universe, where people are proud of what they ought be ashamed of!
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f):
Diamond098454:
Light skin and dark skin wahala have been there since time immemorial
But not the way they have it over there. Example, it means nothing to Nigerians if Tinubu, Obi, Atiku are light or dark. All that matters is what tribe they're from Same way, colour doesn't matter at all in Gaza (where they're all same colour BTW). All that matters is if you're Jewish or Palestinian!
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DMCA: 2:46am On Aug 21
QuinQ:
You mean fiancé cheesy
very soon we go announce
delulu weds schizo grin
officiating minister: Yaba grin
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 4:23am On Aug 21
CanadaOrBust:
It is also bewildering to me. You'd expect such a person to keep a low profile when ancestry is discussed
QuinQ:
@bolded, what a ridiculous statement. Wipe who out? My man thinks US is the world!
I've told you before, your hypersensitivity to skin colour is because you are from US and have never been out of US. Also you are a Louisiana Creole - a result of rape or sexual coercion that was entirely colour based (of African women by mostly European slavers).
Ukraine and Russia are wiping out each other and they're all white, Rwandan genocide they're all black, etc. Here in Nigeria it is all about tribe and hardly anyone notices your skin colour!




He's lying as usual. It is easy to tell that the Moors were dark-skined.
Photography was only invented in the 19th century while Moorish rule in Europe ended way back in 1400s. But there were paintings, and more importantly sculptures - because sculptures are difficult to alter. NONE of the art from that era showed ANY Moor as the pictures he displayed. Moors, wherever they might have come from, were dark-skinned!
QuinQ:
Guyman picks any tangential French guy and makes him his ancestor after giving him a funny colour - same way they have this 100% West African lady looking like this below! grin
The historical relationship between the expanding Benin Empire and the neighboring Western Igbo communities was defined by a brutal asymmetry of power, where military conquest directly translated into the systematic subjugation of Igboland. Benin’s imperial expansion relied on aggressive border raids that fractured the sovereignty of Igbo towns, reducing independent communities to vulnerable frontiers. By executing local defenders and targeting the structures of Igbo governance, the kingdom effectively dismantled the political and social autonomy of these borderlands, imposing a state of fear and submission that altered the geopolitical landscape of the region for generations.

Central to this subjugation was the gender-selective terror inflicted upon Igbo women and girls, whose bodies were weaponized as spoils of war. Systematic rape and forced concubinage were codified instruments of imperial dominance, tearing these women from their ancestral homes and placing them into the royal harems (Eguae) or the domestic estates of Bini chiefs. This institutionalized sexual violence was not merely a byproduct of warfare; it was a deliberate strategy of cultural and biological assimilation. By forcing captured Igbo women to bear children who would be raised strictly with Bini identities, the empire stripped these victims of their autonomy while systematically erasing their maternal Igbo heritage.

The long-term consequence of this violence was a profound disruption of Igbo lineages and demographic continuity. While Igboland suffered a severe depletion of its population and the severing of ancient family lines, the forced influx of these women introduced an asymmetrical gene flow into the Benin population. This created a deep, painful biological paradox: a shared genetic heritage across modern border communities built entirely upon the historical trauma of captivity and exploitation. Through this systematic displacement and reproductive coercion, the Benin Kingdom left an indelible mark on the lineage of the region, fusing the two cultures through a legacy of enforced subjugation.

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 2:09pm On Aug 21
LouisdeFrance:
# Okonkwo: The Big Man and His Little People

In the heart of Umuofia, power did not just walk; it stamped. It breathed heavily, spoke in the language of fists, and accumulated yams like a god collecting sacrifices. This was the world of Okonkwo—the self-made colossus who cast a long, terrifying shadow over everyone in his compound. To the village, he was the ultimate "Big Man."

But a shadow cannot exist without the light, and a tyrant cannot exist without the compliance of the crowd. Look closely at Okonkwo’s story, and you will see it is not just a tragedy about a proud warrior. It is a cautionary tale about the "little people"—the wives, the children, and the fearful neighbors—who inadvertently feed the monster of corruption by placing their faith in mortal flesh rather than the Almighty.

### The Cult of the Earthly Giant

In traditional societies, the line between earthly authority and spiritual deity often becomes dangerously blurred. When a community loses its anchor in the true living God, it naturally seeks out human substitutes. Okonkwo became one of those substitutes.

The little people around Okonkwo did not just respect him; they worshiped his success. They looked at his three wives, his overflowing yam barns, and his prestigious titles, and they treated him with a reverence that should be reserved for the Divine alone. They sought his favor, trembled at his anger, and molded their lives around his volatile moods.

This is the classic trap of humanity: when we stop fearing God, we begin to fear men. We look up to the wealthy and the powerful, hoping that a crumb of their earthly glory will fall into our laps. We treat the "Big Man" as a gatekeeper to prosperity, forgetting that true blessing and breath come only from the Creator.

### How Fear Feeds Corruption

The tragedy of Umuofia’s little people is that their unwillingness to have absolute faith in God directly allowed Okonkwo’s domestic corruption to thrive.

Consider his household. Okonkwo ruled his compound with an iron rod because he knew no one would stop him. His wives accepted his unwarranted beatings in silence. His children suppressed their tears and altered their personalities just to avoid his wrath. Even when Okonkwo broke the sacred Week of Peace—a time meant to honor the divine earth goddess—the initial reaction of those around him was driven by a fear of *Okonkwo's* anger, rather than a pure devotion to the divine order.

By bowing down to his tyranny, the little people enabled him. Their silence was a vote of confidence in his brutality. They lacked the spiritual courage to stand up and say, *"You are just a man made of dust. We fear the Lord, not you."* Because they placed their survival in his hands instead of God’s hands, they became complicit in the very system that oppressed them.

### Shifting the Fear to Whom it is Owed

Okonkwo’s life ultimately collapsed because a human being cannot sustain the weight of being a god. When the British colonial forces arrived, the illusion of the Igbo "Big Man" shattered overnight. The little people realized that their earthly idols could not save them from a changing world.

The deep spiritual lesson hidden within Okonkwo's downfall is a timeless one. Human corruption grows in the soil of human cowardice. When a society chooses to fear a mortal leader more than they fear God, they inherit a fractured world.

True freedom begins when the little people look past the earthly giants, lift their eyes to the heavens, and remember that there is only one Throne worthy of absolute surrender. When we give our awe to God alone, the "Big Men" of the world lose their power to terrify us.

***

**What do you think?** Does modern society still create "Big Men" like Okonkwo, and are we still guilty of worshiping them? Let’s discuss in the comments below.
Whoever wrote this doesn't know what he is writing. Probably barely read the book. It is so annoying!
WHY NOT READ THE BOOK YOURSELF?
Traditional Igbo society was very egalitarian. There were no "big men" or kings. That's why this your fixation on "big men" looks weird and ludicrous.
Okonkwo was no "big man" at all and no one worshipped him. He had serious insecurities about failing because his father was a total failure, and he had anger issues. Like in all Igbo families he was head of his family as the man but that was where all his "big man" ended.
READ THE BOOK!
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 4:43pm On Aug 21
QuinQ:
It is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. It has you wondering if you living in some sort of alternate universe, where people are proud of what they ought be ashamed of!
I tell ya, honestly gives me vibes of a grotesque danse macabre of some sort
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 5:23pm On Aug 21
DiarisGodoo:
Whoever wrote this doesn't know what he is writing. Probably barely read the book. It is so annoying!
WHY NOT READ THE BOOK YOURSELF?
Traditional Igbo society was very egalitarian. There were no "big men" or kings. That's why this your fixation on "big men" looks weird and ludicrous.
Okonkwo was no "big man" at all and no one worshipped him. He had serious insecurities about failing because his father was a total failure, and he had anger issues. Like in all Igbo families he was head of his family as the man but that was where all his "big man" ended.
READ THE BOOK!

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 7:47pm On Aug 21
DMCA:
very soon we go announce
delulu weds schizo grin
officiating minister: Yaba grin
grin grin grin
You get wet panny for making me laugh. But I'll put it as my DP. You have to go to my profile to see it!😆
What you think? Took it this morning. Hope fiancé doesn't mind
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DMCA: 7:53pm On Aug 21
QuinQ:
grin grin grin
You get wet panny for making me laugh. But I'll put it as my DP. You have to go to my profile to see it!😆
grin grin grin
d slimier d better grin
ur kind of person (mind) go dey very interesting for dza odza room earnestly grin
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 8:53pm On Aug 21
DMCA:
grin grin grin
d slimier d better grin
ur kind of person (mind) go dey very interesting for dza odza room earnestly grin
LouisdeFrance go kill you o!
I lost some weight lately. You think this is ok or lose a little more?
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 8:57pm On Aug 21
LouisdeFrance:
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Please what is this "big man" supposed to mean? Is it supposed to be praise or insult? And of who exactly?
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 9:04pm On Aug 21
DiarisGodoo:
I tell ya, honestly gives me vibes of a grotesque danse macabre of some sort
That's the word I've been looking for,
"grotesque"!
LouisdeFrance that's the feeling we get when we see a child being jingoistic about a father who enslaved and very likely raped his mother to have him!
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 9:12pm On Aug 21
Louis what u think of these below?
Diarisgodoo LouisdeFrance

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 9:13pm On Aug 21
QuinQ:
Please what is this "big man" supposed to mean? Is it supposed to be praise or insult? And of who exactly?
Are you offended by the truth?


According to biblical genealogies, David is a direct descendant of Shem through the lineage of Judah, while Goliath’s specific ancestry from Ham is traditionally inferred because he was a champion of the Philistines and from Gath, a region historically associated with Ham's descendants (such as Canaan and Mizraim).

David’s Lineage (Shem): Traced in the biblical text (such as in Ruth 4 and the Gospels) from Shem down through Arpachshad to Abraham, Judah, and eventually King David.Goliath’s Lineage

(Ham): Goliath was from Gath, part of the Philistine city-states. In the Genesis Table of Nations, the Philistines and the geographic regions of the Canaanites/Anakim are widely interpreted by biblical scholars and traditional commentaries to fall under the broader posterity of Ham.

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 9:24pm On Aug 21
# The Bloodline of Fire: From Noah’s Ark to the "Big Men" of Africa

History has a way of repeating itself. It echoes across thousands of years through names, family lines, and cultural story types. If we trace the Bible's family trees from Noah's Ark to ancient battlefields, and then connect that history to West Africa, a fascinating archetype emerges: **The "Big Man."**

This is the story of the line of Ham, the fiery nature of giants, and how the spirit of Goliath lives on in literary masterpieces like Chinua Achebe’s *Things Fall Apart*.

---

## 1. The Heritage of David and Goliath

To understand this story, we have to look back at the original family split after the Great Flood. According to biblical accounts, two very different worldviews walked off Noah's Ark, eventually meeting again as mortal enemies on the battlefield.

* **David’s Lineage (The Line of Shem):** David's family tree is clearly written down in the Book of Ruth and the Gospels. He comes from Shem, Noah's oldest son. Shem’s line was blessed to keep the worship of God alive, passing down to Abraham, Judah, and eventually King David.
* **Goliath’s Lineage (The Line of Ham):** Goliath was the giant champion of the Philistines from the city of Gath. In the Genesis "Table of Nations," the Philistines and the geographic regions of Canaan fall under the family line of Ham’s sons, Mizraim and Canaan.

This means that while David and Goliath stood on opposite sides of a fierce war, they were actually distant cousins whose family lines started under the exact same roof.

---

## 2. The Etymology of Ham: A Heritage of Heat

In the ancient Hebrew language, the word used for the name Ham is *Cham* (חָם). This name literally translates to **"hot"** or **"warm."**

This root word extends far beyond the physical climate of the lands his family moved to. In ancient word studies, the root word carries a deep behavioral meaning:

* **Emotional Intensity:** To be mentally hot-blooded, easily excited, or quickly angered.
* **Fury and Wrath:** A fiery disposition that translates to physical dominance, ambition, and a refusal to be broken.

From Ham came the mighty builders of empires, hunters like Nimrod, and the ancient tribes of giants—the Anakim—who ruled through physical intimidation. Goliath of Gath was the ultimate example of this "hot-blooded" line. He was a champion who ruled the battlefield with his massive spear and the terrifying heat of his proud voice.

---

## 3. The West African Archetype: The "Big Man" Culture

The cultural and geographic descendants of Ham’s line settled heavily throughout the African continent. When we look at the traditional social structures of West Africa, we find a powerful, surviving social framework known to historians as **"Big Man" culture.**

In this traditional setting, a "Big Man" is not just someone with political power. He is a force of nature.

### Attributes of the Traditional "Big Man":
* **Physical and Social Stature:** He commands authority through a dominant physical presence and personal wealth.
* **The Fierce Provider:** He is hot-blooded, deeply competitive, and fiercely protective of his household and clan.
* **Rule by Strength:** Status is won through wrestling matches, warfare, and out-working everyone else.

---

## 4. *Things Fall Apart*: Okonkwo as the Literary Goliath

Nowhere is this convergence of hot blood, giant stature, and West African "Big Man" culture more perfectly personified than in **Okonkwo**, the main character of Chinua Achebe’s classic novel, *Things Fall Apart*.

Okonkwo is the modern literary descendant of the Goliath archetype. Achebe introduces him not as a politician, but as a physical titan whose fame rested on solid personal achievements.

The Hot-Blooded Archetype ]|+-----------+-----------+| |[ Biblical ] [ West African ]Goliath of Gath Okonkwo of Umuofia(The Giant) (The "Big Man"wink| |• Rule by physical force • Famous for wrestling giants• Driven by fiery pride • Driven by fear of weakness• Defies the changing tide • Crumbles when things fall apart.



to the biblical accounts and traditional commentaries, David and Goliath are distant cousins because their lineages trace back to two brothers, Shem and Ham, who were the sons of Noah.

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 9:33pm On Aug 21
QuinQ:
That's the word I've been looking for,
"grotesque"!
LouisdeFrance that's the feeling we get when we see a child being jingoistic about a father who enslaved and very likely raped his mother to have him!
The historical relationship between the expanding Benin Empire and the neighboring Western Igbo communities was defined by a brutal asymmetry of power, where military conquest directly translated into the systematic subjugation of Igboland. Benin’s imperial expansion relied on aggressive border raids that fractured the sovereignty of Igbo towns, reducing independent communities to vulnerable frontiers. By executing local defenders and targeting the structures of Igbo governance, the kingdom effectively dismantled the political and social autonomy of these borderlands, imposing a state of fear and submission that altered the geopolitical landscape of the region for generations.

Central to this subjugation was the gender-selective terror inflicted upon Igbo women and girls, whose bodies were weaponized as spoils of war. Systematic rape and forced concubinage were codified instruments of imperial dominance, tearing these women from their ancestral homes and placing them into the royal harems (Eguae) or the domestic estates of Bini chiefs. This institutionalized sexual violence was not merely a byproduct of warfare; it was a deliberate strategy of cultural and biological assimilation. By forcing captured Igbo women to bear children who would be raised strictly with Bini identities, the empire stripped these victims of their autonomy while systematically erasing their maternal Igbo heritage.

The long-term consequence of this violence was a profound disruption of Igbo lineages and demographic continuity. While Igboland suffered a severe depletion of its population and the severing of ancient family lines, the forced influx of these women introduced an asymmetrical gene flow into the Benin population. This created a deep, painful biological paradox: a shared genetic heritage across modern border communities built entirely upon the historical trauma of captivity and exploitation. Through this systematic displacement and reproductive coercion, the Benin Kingdom left an indelible mark on the lineage of the region, fusing the two cultures through a legacy of enforced subjugation.

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DMCA: 9:39pm On Aug 21
QuinQ:
LouisdeFrance go kill you o!
I lost some weight lately. You think this is ok or lose a little more?
I like it thicky thicky cool
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 10:06pm On Aug 21
LouisdeFrance:
Are you offended by the truth?


According to biblical genealogies, David is a direct descendant of Shem through the lineage of Judah, while Goliath’s specific ancestry from Ham is traditionally inferred because he was a champion of the Philistines and from Gath, a region historically associated with Ham's descendants (such as Canaan and Mizraim).

David’s Lineage (Shem): Traced in the biblical text (such as in Ruth 4 and the Gospels) from Shem down through Arpachshad to Abraham, Judah, and eventually King David.Goliath’s Lineage

(Ham): Goliath was from Gath, part of the Philistine city-states. In the Genesis Table of Nations, the Philistines and the geographic regions of the Canaanites/Anakim are widely interpreted by biblical scholars and traditional commentaries to fall under the broader posterity of Ham.
Aren't you a bit too old and not-totally-illitereate
to be posting this Sham-Ham-Japheth stuff?? grin
Read below

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DMCA: 10:48pm On Aug 21
QuinQ:
Aren't you a bit too old and not-totally-illitereate
to be posting this Sham-Ham-Japheth stuff?? grin
Read below
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Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 12:00am On Aug 22
DMCA:
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schizo opinions matter angry
respect schizo opinions angry angry angry

grin grin grin
If LouisdeFrance catch you eh
Don't forget, he's the illegitimate great great grandson of Louis IX and an Ethipian woman😎
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 12:39am On Aug 22
QuinQ:
Aren't you a bit too old and not-totally-illitereate
to be posting this Sham-Ham-Japheth stuff?? grin
Read below
Genetic studies on paternal lineages demonstrate that Y-DNA profiles among the Igbo and Yoruba are predominantly indigenous to West Africa, specifically centering on the sub-Saharan paternal haplogroup E1b1a (E-M2), rather than typical Middle Eastern paternal lineages.

### Paternal Lineages in West Africa
* **Dominant Haplogroup:** The vast majority of men from the Igbo and Yoruba ethnic groups carry E1b1a, an ancient African lineage that expanded across West and Central Africa over millennia.


* **Differentiation from Middle Eastern Markers:** Characteristic Middle Eastern paternal markers—such as haplogroups J1 or J2, which are frequent in populations of the Levant and Arabian Peninsula—are largely absent in baseline populations of these West African groups.

### Context of Identity Claims
* **Cultural Parallels vs. Genetics:** Cultural or oral traditions linking certain African groups to external regions (such as historical or biblical migrations from the Near East) are distinct from molecular anthropology findings, which show deep indigenous continuity in West Africa.


* **Scientific Consensus:** Population geneticists and anthropological studies conclude that the genetic architecture—both uniparental (Y-DNA and mtDNA) and autosomal—reflects local evolution and regional demographic expansions rather than a recent genetic contribution from the Middle East.

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 2:18am On Aug 22
Mockery Is a Form of Social Positioning, I don't make mock, I relay the facts of science and mathematics.
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 3:15am On Aug 22
QuinQ:
That's the word I've been looking for,
"grotesque"!
LouisdeFrance that's the feeling we get when we see a child being jingoistic about a father who enslaved and very likely raped his mother to have him!
I honestly don't understand the man. Why is he fixated on the one thing he's at a disadvantage - ancesry. I told him I'm right here in Louisiana and quite familiar with the rather shameful basis of his ancestry, yet he keeps talking.
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 3:21am On Aug 22
QuinQ:
Louis what u think of these below?
Diarisgodo LouisdeFrance
No church is perfect, I wouldn't be a Catholic though.
The upside-down cross commemorates the crucifixion of St. Peter who asked to be crucified upside down as he felt unworthy to be crucified same as Christ.
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