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So for some time I have stopped engaging in debates here on nairaland. It just does not make any sense.

I am inviting anyone who is confident enough to join me on whatsapp video call for proper debates. We will arrange when to start and it will be a series.

Lordreed can you help me invite some of the loudest people here that may be interested.

From here we add more details such as rules and what not.

HardMirror:
So for some time I have stopped engaging in debates here on nairaland. It just does not make any sense.

I am inviting anyone who is confident enough to join me on whatsapp video call for proper debates. We will arrange when to start and it will be a series.

Lordreed can you help me invite some of the loudest people here that may be interested.

From here we add more details such as rules and what not.

I'm in.
So what exactly is the topic?

The only debate is whether you are really an atheist or you're just irritated by the different religions and religious people around you.

If you haven't seen, known or make use of real money before but all the ones you know are fake currencies that can't be used for real exchange surely you won't believe in any banking system.

So instead of arguing about existence of God i will advise you to figure out what religion supposed to achieve among adherents and our neighborhood.🥱

HardMirror:
So for some time I have stopped engaging in debates here on nairaland. It just does not make any sense.

I am inviting anyone who is confident enough to join me on whatsapp video call for proper debates. We will arrange when to start and it will be a series.

Lordreed can you help me invite some of the loudest people here that may be interested.

From here we add more details such as rules and what not.

Sure bro.

Calling on DeepSight, budaatum, jesusjnr2020, DtruthSpeaker, TenQ, Lucifyre, ocnovakmichael, RealityKings1, MaxindHouse, QuinQ,

Will add more names subsequently.

LordReed:
Sure bro.
Calling on DeepSight, budaatum, jesusjnr2020, DtruthSpeaker, TenQ, Lucifyre, ocnovakmichael, RealityKings1, MaxindHouse, QuinQ,
Will add more names subsequently.

I'm not interested in such meaningless topics first of all this is about religion not God.

So instead of arguing aimlessly about God's existence i will prefer to debate about what religion supposed to achieve in our society if that has been settled then we can find which religion that meets up the responsibilities?

Then we can now ask how possible could one religion achieve such a remarkable goal without any supernatural force involved?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not interested in such meaningless topics first of all this is about religion not God.

So instead of arguing aimlessly about God's existence i will prefer to debate about what religion supposed to achieve in our society if that has been settled then we can find which religion that meets up the responsibilities?

Then we can now ask how possible could one religion achieve such a remarkable goal without any supernatural force involved?🙂

I am sure we can accommodate such a topic.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not interested in such meaningless topics first of all this is about religion not God.

So instead of arguing aimlessly about God's existence i will prefer to debate about what religion supposed to achieve in our society if that has been settled then we can find which religion that meets up the responsibilities?

Then we can now ask how possible could one religion achieve such a remarkable goal without any supernatural force involved?🙂

This is similar to what a certain Roman emperor did.

It eventually led to the compilation of the bible.

Athiests can argue all they want, Religion has been around for thousands of years and will still be whether you believe or not.

Best you can do is use your social, political and financial influence to reshape what religion will be.

LordReed:
I am sure we can accommodate such a topic.

Good!
So if you agree that there has never been any fake thing without the original somewhere. Now religion has been the real reason why most of you guys wants to be addressed as "ATHEISTS" as you can't figure out the purpose of religion in our society.

The gross evil deeds perpetrated by members and leaders of religion throughout the world has been on a grand scale hence religion has been the major cause of the problem we are facing on this planet.

So you guys justifiably picked ATHEISM to rubbish religion completely that is why i prefer the topic:

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF RELIGION IN THE HUMAN SOCIETY?

Let's deal with that!🙂

Karleb:
This is similar to what a certain Roman emperor did. It eventually led to the compilation of the bible. Athiests can argue all they want, Religion has been around for thousands of years and will still be whether you believe or not. Best you can do is use your social, political and financial influence to reshape what religion will be.

I often laugh when someone claims he is an atheist because i'm 100% sure that such a person doesn't know what he's doing!

Jesus said:

“Happy are the PEACEMAKERS", since they will be called sons of God." Matthew 5:9

As one of the Witnesses of God it's my pleasure to reason with anyone who publicly declared himself an atheist because i know he or she is QUARRELLING with my God for so many reasons.

And of course the first and foremost reason why these people are claiming ATHEISTS is the activities of FALSE RELIGIONS! Revelation 17:5 🙂

LordReed:
Sure bro.

Calling on Luc RealityKings1,

Will add more names subsequently.

That's OK. I'm following

HardMirror:
So for some time I have stopped engaging in debates here on nairaland. It just does not make any sense.

I think you should work much harder so it does make sense because it makes much sense to me.

Have you not seen how so little we have evolved?

HardMirror:
From here we add more details such as rules and what not.

Religion! As seen in a mirror. You begin with rules, which are like commandments, then, "what not".

Society can not exist without it, hence we religionise, as in regularly practice and promote to our neighbours least our society be chaotic and disorganised and we accomplish nought. Pity some think it is belief, like the dumb atheist who believes there are no supernatural being gods, but on that are more evolving, to my delight.

Perhaps a version can be done here too so we less confident can participate please. I never stop engaging.

Came across some religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangdi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius

WhatsApp video call?

Choi! I get issue with my number and video call. Make e no kon be say one of una kon know one of my family people. Na wahala be dat

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not interested in such meaningless topics first of all this is about religion not God.

So instead of arguing aimlessly about God's existence i will prefer to debate about what religion supposed to achieve in our society if that has been settled then we can find which religion that meets up the responsibilities?

Then we can now ask how possible could one religion achieve such a remarkable goal without any supernatural force involved?🙂

And which religion might that be? I hope you don't mean cultish, scandal-plagued Jehovah's Witnesses

LordReed:
Sure bro.

Calling on DeepSight, budaatum, jesusjnr2020, DtruthSpeaker, TenQ, Lucifyre, ocnovakmichael, RealityKings1, MaxindHouse, QuinQ,

Will add more names subsequently.

LordReed:
Sure bro.

Calling on DeepSight, budaatum, jesusjnr2020, DtruthSpeaker, TenQ, Lucifyre, ocnovakmichael, RealityKings1, MaxindHouse,

Will add more names subsequently.

This video below uses strict math, logic, and science to have Grok 4 (Elon Musk’s AI - touted to be more intelligent than all PhDs combined) agree that God is real and that evolution, life from non-life (abiogenesis), etc, make absolutely no sense. See the transcript below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga7m14CAymo?is=n5E9tu48uO81LTJ_

LordReed:
Sure bro.

Calling on DeepSight, budaatum, jesusjnr2020, DtruthSpeaker, TenQ, Lucifyre, ocnovakmichael, RealityKings1, MaxindHouse,

Will add more names subsequently.

Transcript continuing

MaxInDHouse:
So instead of arguing about existence of God i will advise you to figure out what religion supposed to achieve among adherents and our neighborhood.🥱

I am very sure abusing children or protecting child abusers is one thing a religion is not suppose to do.

Any religion that does that is evil.

QuinQ:
And which religion might that be? I hope you don't mean cultish, scandal-plagued Jehovah's Witnesses.

Why are you scared of the religion it would be?

The debate hasn't kick off and you want to start pointing accusing finger, why not face the topic if you want to know the truth?

I'm not here for you the OP already has a clean heart regarding the church that stands out with fine fruits even though he doesn't want to associate with any religion due to all the troubles you people have caused in the name of God:

HardMirror:
unfortunately, JW are the best Christians if we will be honest. But all of u are delusional as far as I am concerned. Spent many years reading your poblications and allowing visits only to realize that you are bullshitters

Don't think false accusations can blur honest hearted individual's minds they knows what is really happening.

MaxInDHouse:
Why are you scared of the religion it would be?

The debate hasn't kick off and you want to start pointing accusing finger, why not face the topic if you want to know the truth?

I'm not here for you the OP already has a clean heart regarding the church that stands out with fine fruits even though he doesn't want to associate with any religion due to all the troubles you people have caused in the name of God:



Don't think false accusations can blur honest hearted individual's minds they knows what is really happening.

Lol

Am sure you were jubilating and blushing when that atheist said JW are the best Christians.

The words of an atheist made you happy.

I am still waiting for an explanation on why so many elders in Watchtower organization of Jehovah Witnesses are pedophiles.

MaxInDHouse:
Why are you scared of the religion it would be?

The debate hasn't kick off and you want to start pointing accusing finger, why not face the topic if you want to know the truth?

I'm not here for you the OP already has a clean heart regarding the church that stands out with fine fruits even though he doesn't want to associate with any religion due to all the troubles you people have caused in the name of God:



Don't think false accusations can blur honest hearted individual's minds they knows what is really happening.

Not scared at all. Just stating what is in public domain.
It is not me that wrote these below

DoWhatThouWilt:
Am sure you were jubilating and blushing when that atheist said JW are the best Christians.

An atheist is neutral towards all so he is not biased unlike you whose religion approved child marriage openly but kept pointing accusing finger at another religion that is accused of the crime which your own religion has chosen as something that's normal!

Jesus said people of all the nations will hate his true disciples {Matthew 24:9 compare to Matthew 5:11-12} because our assembly will expose their lies that they are in spiritual darkness {Matthew 5:14-16} he also said some will see our fine fruit and speak up {Matthew 7:16-18} so who else do you expect to speak up if not individuals who are neutral towards all religions? 🥱

QuinQ:
Not scared at all. Just stating what is in public domain. It is not me that wrote these below.

Jesus said to Jehovah's Witnesses:

"Let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 5:16

So if you think there is no religion that's standing out how can you prove that you truly believe in Jesus' word regarding his true disciples?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
An atheist is neutral towards all

I believe the bible calls atheists fools, but it is refreshing to see you, a Jehovah's Witness defend and praise them.

After all, You people like defending and protecting horrible people.

DoWhatThouWilt:
I believe the bible calls atheists fools.

These ones claims they are atheists due to the troubles false religions has been causing for ages but the real atheists in Bible times don't publicly declare their stance they say it in their hearts! Psalms 14:1

For instance you have never preached anything about faith in God but keeps going from thread to thread accusing anyone who speaks about faith in God.

What else do you truly have in mind if not saying to yourself:

"There is no God"

That's the actions of real atheists they mix things up just to make everyone feel it's needless talking about God. Psalms 14:1

MaxInDHouse:
These ones claims they are atheists l

Oh, I forgot, you read people's minds. That is why you know why they claim atheists.

Why is the only true religion on earth harboring pedophiles?

Are pedophiles who harm little children supposed to be protected?

You guys have now surpassed Catholics that you used to accuse

DoWhatThouWilt:
Oh, I forgot, you read people's minds. That is why you know why they claim atheists.

You too can read minds through people's actions and not just their words!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
You too can read minds through people's actions and not just their words!🙂

Lol

From you are a Muslim to you too can read minds

You are desperately looking for a way to defend your organization, but God will keep exposing it for the whole world to see.

DoWhatThouWilt:
Lol
From you are a Muslim to you too can read minds
You are desperately looking for a way to defend your organization, but God will keep exposing it for the whole world to see.

You want to compare mere accusations to what your religion is doing in broad daylight shey?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
You want to compare mere accusations with what your religion is doing in daylight shey?🙂

Look at servant of Jehovah making you and your organization proud.

QuinQ:
This video below uses strict math, logic, and science to have Grok 4 (Elon Musk’s AI - touted to be more intelligent than all PhDs combined) agree that God is real and that evolution, life from non-life (abiogenesis), etc, make absolutely no sense. See the transcript below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga7m14CAymo?is=n5E9tu48uO81LTJ_

Grok is an LLM you can train it to say virtually anything. Go learn how LLMs work and stop thinking it is an intelligent agent.

LordReed:
Grok is an LLM you can train it to say virtually anything. Go learn how LLMs work and stop thinking it is an intelligent agent.

This is not true. Grok and most AI are fed all data available then trained NOT to be biased. That is why if you ask this same Grok 4 if it believed God exists (without the qualifiers) it would say "no". It is just like an extremely smart PhD holder. It is the qualifiers (the constraints) that determined it's answer not the training.

QuinQ:
This is not true. Grok and most AI are fed all data available then trained NOT to be biased. That is why if you ask this same Grok 4 if it believed God exists (without the qualifiers) it would say "no". It is just like an extremely smart PhD holder. It is the qualifiers (the constraints) that determined it's answer not the training.

What you don't seem to understand is your input is also used as data for the response to be crafted. Go look at studies that show that these LLMs lean towards agreeing with you depending on how you structure your inputs. You aren't arguing with an intelligent agent, you are using prompts to elicit algorithm based responses. Check out the ones that agree that Islam is correct, will you now become a Muslim?

Stop using AI for affirmation. That's how you get AI that tells you to kill your mum.