The Binis.

somalia9:


yes. but rer barawe and reer xamar can pass for arab but they speak somali and no other language, they have been somalianized.

they look like light skin somali, since they have somali in their blood too

picture is reer xamar guy below

ok.

bokohalal: The Binis.

i wouldn't say that. at least i know there is no 'urho' in usen. it is senior takes all.

bokohalal: The Binis.

do they speak exactly the same language and practise the same culture?, no dialects no variations.

Khoi-San Bushmen?

TerryCarr: japan, Korea, Swaziland, Lesotho, Zulu

Japanese is split into dialects, so is Korean, the better known dialect based on the capitals Tokyo and Seoul are the standard dialects. There are no groups with uniform culture. It's not possible.

^well atleast this proves something. Diversity is a part and parcel of human ways. a part and aparcel of this world. diversity is here to stay. therefore we must protect and preserve our tribes and prevent them from interrbreeding and forming one uniform, weak, human half-bred population.

PAGAN 9JA:
^well atleast this proves something. Diversity is a part and parcel of human ways. a part and aparcel of this world. diversity is here to stay. therefore we must protect and preserve our tribes and prevent them from interrbreeding and forming one uniform, weak, human half-bred population.

But many of the tribes were formed by different migrations of people. Ethnic groups like the Xhosa are a mix of the San people and the Bantu as evident from their features, such as the fold in their eyes. Other more obviously mixed groups are the Somali and Afro-Arabs.

ezeagu:

But many of the tribes were formed by different migrations of people. Ethnic groups like the Xhosa are a mix of the San people and the Bantu as evident from their features, such as the fold in their eyes. Other more obviously mixed groups are the Somali and Afro-Arabs.

not necessairly. who told you that? ou cant base it such things on assumptions.

However any recently formed tribe must not be considered a tribe. Only tribes of antiquity and Pagan origin.

Somalis are not entirely mixed, whatever I say to the troll ayanle.

its mostly only the reer barawee and reer xamar clans who are mixed. however i reserve my judgement on them.

even many Native Americans tribes of today can be marked as extinct because they are heavily mixed and there is no chance of dilution.

Many South African groups, including the Zulu, have mixed with the San. Your ideology would mean that the enitre Bantu peoples are not indigenous to anywhere since they migrated and mixed with other groups (through remigrations) such as the pygmies and San, and also east African non-Bantu, only a few thousand years ago.

Modern humans have been on earth for at least 200,000 years ago meaning that it's practically impossible that African groups come from non-mixed origins. Where do you draw the line? 20,000 years ago, 2000 years ago? 299 years ago? It's not logical.

I'm a pure Bantu mixed with no shiat....proudly pure proudly Fang BETI


Long live to paganism

ezeagu: Many South African groups, including the Zulu, have mixed with the San. Your ideology would mean that the enitre Bantu peoples are not indigenous to anywhere since they migrated and mixed with other groups (through remigrations) such as the pygmies and San, and also east African non-Bantu, only a few thousand years ago.

Modern humans have been on earth for at least 200,000 years ago meaning that it's practically impossible that African groups come from non-mixed origins. Where do you draw the line? 20,000 years ago, 2000 years ago? 299 years ago? It's not logical.

The Zulu are not mixed with San. where are you getting this info from

The ZULU are a large ethnic group. if there was (m not saying it happened), but if there was slight intermixing , its all diluted.

dont use Pygmies. that is offensive term. call them Baka and they are not mixed. one of the most ancient groups alive in fact.

The line is drawn from the time of the formation of current tribal groups from their respective Greater Ethnic Origin groups just after evolution and the largescale migrations, 100000s of years back. These are fixed groups now that have adapted and formed their cultures, religions etc.

ezeagu:

Japanese is split into dialects, so is Korean, the better known dialect based on the capitals Tokyo and Seoul are the standard dialects. There are no groups with uniform culture. It's not possible.

what Language does not have a dialects?

Antivirus, I believe the answer to your question is "no". There is no language/culture on the face of this planet in which variety does not exist to some degree.

Many of these dialects also have dialects within them. For example, American English is considered a dialect of the English language. However, American English also has its own variations (dialects), which in turn have their own.

PAGAN 9JA:


The Zulu are not mixed with San. where are you getting this info from

The ZULU are a large ethnic group. if there was (m not saying it happened), but if there was slight intermixing , its all diluted.

What does diluted mean? You believe Bantu peoples who live right in former San land and who have San folds on their eyes are not a product of Bantu-San relations? How will you explain Bantu diversity in features over such a short time? Anyway, the Xhosa are Bantu-San mixed.

PAGAN 9JA:
dont use Pygmies. that is offensive term. call them Baka and they are not mixed. one of the most ancient groups alive in fact.

I did not say the pygmies are mixed, I said that the expanding Bantu people mixed with them (and hunted them). There are other pygmy groups but the Baka.

PAGAN 9JA:
The line is drawn from the time of the formation of current tribal groups from their respective Greater Ethnic Origin groups just after evolution and the largescale migrations, 100000s of years back. These are fixed groups now that have adapted and formed their cultures, religions etc.

Efik people existed 50,000 years ago?

ezeagu:

What does diluted mean? You believe Bantu peoples who live right in former San land and who have San folds on their eyes are not a product of Bantu-San relations? How will you explain Bantu diversity in features over such a short time? Anyway, the Xhosa are Bantu-San mixed.



I did not say the pygmies are mixed, I said that the expanding Bantu people mixed with them (and hunted them). There are other pygmy groups but the Baka.



Efik people existed 50,000 years ago?

Diluted means , there are just stray cases of admixture and this is overcome and almost completely removed by the dominant group over the ages.
show me pictures of these Bantus with San features. The Xhosa are a separate group. just because they share lingsuistic similarities, it doesnt mean they are mixed. They have probably adapted those features for the same reason the San adapted those features.

Which Pygmy tribe. specify.

Efik can be counted as a tribe because they are not mixed. they are just offshoots of a commonly related people, i.e., The Anaang, Ibibo, Uruaan, etc..

Ezeagu you are making a terrible mistake, because we Have people mixed with white that doesn't mean African in general are mixed..saying xhosa are the result of Bantu-San is false, misleading...ask any xhosa he will tell u he is Bantu, sane with Zulu, they didn't mix that much with San , if that was the case San would have disappeared because Bantu were way more numerous....

Beside xhosa existed before the current location so how come xhosa suddenly=xhosa+Bantu

Anyway, there are no ethnic group on earth that are not a mixture of at least a few ancient peoples.

ezeagu: Anyway, there are no ethnic group on earth that are not a mixture of at least a few ancient peoples.

you cannot say that. most of the features we see today are due to adaptation and evolution.

ezeagu: Anyway, there are no ethnic group on earth that are not a mixture of at least a few ancient peoples.

Igbo are mixed with what/who?

CAMEROONPRIDE:
Igbo are mixed with what/who?

native igbos are mixed a little by their neighbours(ijaw,ibibio,bini,igala) but in those cases,the igbos are the dorminant group and those non-igbos have to take up their(igbo) language,to an extent culture. This mixture is commonly felt at the boarders. That is one of the reasons why we have little variations in igbo culture. There are no mixtures at the igbo heartland and cultures there are strictly igbo.

Antivirus92: native igbos are mixed a little by their neighbours(ijaw,ibibio,bini,igala) but in those cases,the igbos are the dorminant group and those non-igbos have to take up their(igbo) language,to an extent culture. This mixture is commonly felt at the boarders. That is one of the reasons why we have little variations in igbo culture. There are no mixtures at the igbo heartland and cultures there are strictly igbo.

The tribes you mentioned are all anyways distinctly related to Igbos.

PAGAN 9JA:


The tribes you mentioned are all anyways distinctly related to Igbos.

no they are not except for igala

CAMEROONPRIDE: Ezeagu you are making a terrible mistake, because we Have people mixed with white that doesn't mean African in general are mixed..saying xhosa are the result of Bantu-San is false, misleading...ask any xhosa he will tell u he is Bantu, sane with Zulu, they didn't mix that much with San , if that was the case San would have disappeared because Bantu were way more numerous....

Beside xhosa existed before the current location so how come xhosa suddenly=xhosa+Bantu

a lot of Xhosa clearly have a Khoisan mix and there language shows the influence

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Xhosa-speaking peoples have inhabited coastal regions of southeastern Africa since before the sixteenth century. The members of the ethnic group that speaks Xhosa refer to themselves as the amaXhosa and call their language isiXhosa, while the language is most commonly known as "Xhosa" in English.

Almost all languages with clicks are Khoisan languages and the presence of clicks in Xhosa demonstrates the strong historical interaction with its Khoisan neighbours. An estimated 15% of the vocabulary is of Khoekhoe (Khoisan) origin

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Antivirus92: no they are not except for igala

YEs they are, though from very far. THeir relationship is like the relationship between Hauawa and Kanuri. very far but there is. most of the riverrine/delta tribes are related.

TerryCarr:
a lot of Xhosa clearly have a Khoisan mix and there language shows the influence

[img]http://2.bp..com/_ArIwGD2dLk4/S-KDGQGsiCI/AAAAAAAAASk/0P2wDN6rRWk/s1600/xhosa+ladies+4.JPG[/img]

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THat does not prove they are mixed. It only means that since they live on the same territory they got similar lingusitic influences. As for the features, they got that for the same reson the Khoisan adapted it.

PAGAN 9JA:


THat does not prove they are mixed. It only means that since they live on the same territory they got similar lingusitic influences. As for the features, they got that for the same reson the Khoisan adapted it.

And why didn't the others 'adapt' to the environment in sich a short time?

PAGAN 9JA:


THat does not prove they are mixed. It only means that since they live on the same territory they got similar lingusitic influences. As for the features, they got that for the same reason the Khoisan adapted it.

they only been there for about over a thousand years you don't adapted that fast

New Research reveals that the Xhosa ate too much food, when compared to the San. This is why they are more bloated up when compared to the stick-like San.

btw on a more serious note, the XHosa are part of the Northern Nguni. They got those features for the same reason the San got them. I think it has something to do with the Gods. OR else why would the San themseleves develop it in the first place.

PAGAN 9JA:
btw on a more serious note, the XHosa are part of the Northern Nguni. They got those features for the same reason the San got them. I think it has something to do with the Gods. OR else why would the San themseleves develop it in the first place.

Northern Ndebele were zulus that spit from shaka's kingdom

The northern Ndebele are a nation and ethnic group in Southern Africa, who share a common Ndebele culture and Ndebele language. Their history began when a Zulu chiefdom split from King Shaka in the early 19th century under the leadership of Mzilikazi, a former chief in his kingdom and ally. Under his command the disgruntled Zulus went on to conquer and rule the chiefdoms of the Southern Ndebele. This was where the name and identity of the eventual kingdom was adopted.

During a turbulent period in Nguni and Sesotho-Tswana history known as the Mfecane, Mzilikazi regiment, initially numbering 500 soldiers, moved west towards the present-day city of Pretoria, where they founded a settlement called Mhlahlandlela. They then moved northwards in 1838 into present-day Zimbabwe where they overwhelmed the Rozvi, eventually carving out a home now called Matabeleland and encompassing the west and south-west region of the country. In the course of the migration, large numbers of conquered local clans and individuals were absorbed into the Ndebele nation, adopting the Ndebele language and culture. Historically the assimilated people came from the Southern Ndebele, Swazi, Sotho-Tswana, and amaLozwi/Rozvi ethnic groups

TerryCarr: Northern Ndebele were zulus that spit from shaka's kingdom

I didnt say Ndebele. I said NGUNI. this was before Shaka Zulus time.