Goshen360:

Seriously, people of God. I wish I have time to follow and teach this subject again and again UNTIL THE TITHE CAPTIVES ARE SET FREE! However, I will point out few things because of the ^ above statement.

I have lived without paying paying tithe for years, I have taught tithing ended in Hebrews 7 and taught Christians to give in their best abilities. I live a lifestyle of giving NOT tithing. I have NEVER experienced CLOSED HEAVENS as against the above statement. Why? Because Jesus' finished work left believers with OPEN HEAVEN.

You people who try to DO SOMETHING for God to DO SOMETHING are carnal and under the LAW! Grace is the manifestation of finished works of Christ. We are not doing anything for God to do something UNDER GRACE, we believe it is DONE! When you're trying to tithe in order to open windows of heaven while the last time I checked, since the time of Christ (Matthew 3:16); heaven had been opened and remain opened. Believers are not trying to open heaven by tithing. I have not read anywhere where the heaven that was opened unto Christ became closed again. Stephen ONLY saw the heaven that was already opened, not that the heaven opened again.

When people say things like, if you don't tithe, things will be tight for you. Where the heck did they get such statement from? From the bible? What verse of scripture is that? Everything written under the law was written to national Israel and not for Christians. The law (including tithing law) used to lead the people of Israel but the Spirit leads believers in giving. I have not tithed for years, yet, I enjoy open heavens, I have good job. I drive 2013 car. I give to people in need and help family and friends. Tell me, what closed heaven am I operating under? Tell me, which devourer is devouring me and my finances? Malachi is NOT written to Christian but to the thiefing priest and was rebuked - read Malachi from Chapter 1 and see who God was rebuking.

Because of the finished works of Christ by His blood and cross, NO CHRISTIAN IS UNDER CLOSED HEAVENS. TITHING ENDED IN HEBREWS 7 AND THE EPISTLES ADMONISHED BELIEVERS TO BE GIVERS AS THEY PURPOSE IN THEIR HEART. THAT'S GRACE GIVING!

wonderz: In Matthew 23:23, Jesus talks to the Pharisees, condemning them for tithing to the penny but neglecting the more important issues of justice, mercy and faith. He then goes on to tell them that they should in fact tithe, but that they shouldn't neglect the more important things. Jesus recognized the importance of keeping the tithe and we should, too.

When I think of Christians asking themselves whether "tithing" is commanded in the Bible, is an Old Testament or New Testament teaching, I wonder how many of these Christians "send back" the many scriptural blessings God has given His people in the Old Testament. How many people when they are blessed and given hope through the mention of God's works, words etc. through the Old Testament Scriptures say ‘I don't receive this or that blessing or confirmation because it's in the Old Testament'?"

christemmbassey: the christian DOESNT recieve anything from d old testament, we recieve all things from THE FINISHED WOQK OF D CROSS. In fact if u r a christian, old tastament na 'super story'.

christemmbassey: Q. E. D. O say it on top of d mountain, over the hills and everywhere dat GOD NO NEED TITHES. Jesus paid all d DEBTS WE COULD NOT PAY,W E DONT OWE GOD MONEY, GOD IS NOT A TRADER. Let d pastors work, bc d man dat refuses to work, MUST NOT EAT.

Atmosfear: FOOD FOR THOUGHT


Tithing Bananas

on May 05, 2013 / in Article of Faith 12:46 am / Comments

By Femi Aribisala
According to the scriptures, money is not acceptable as tithe; it has to be food-crops or livestock.

As far as many pastors are concerned, the most important scripture of all is not to be found in the word of Jesus. Neither is it even in the New Testament. That scripture says: “‘Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house, and try me now in this,’ says the LORD of hosts, ‘If I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such blessing that there will not be room enough to receive it.’” (Malachi 3:10).

This scripture is drummed repeatedly into Christians on Sundays. However, the only time Jesus mentioned tithing in scripture, he pointed out that it was not a weighty matter of the law. (Matthew 23:23). Hebrews says people only receive tithes “according to the law.” (Hebrews 7:5). It then insists tithing (and everything else under the law) has been annulled: “The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless.” (Hebrews 7:18-19). Nevertheless, mercenary pastors continue to insist on the payment of tithes.

Latter-day Pharisees

Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for keeping part instead of the whole law. (Matthew 23:23). That is what tithe-collecting pastors do today. If we insist our congregants must pay tithes, we must also insist that they keep the rest of the law. James says: “Whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.” (James 2:10). Therefore, if we insist on tithing, we should also refrain from eating pork. We should stone adulterers, execute homosexuals, kill Sabbath violators and restore blood-sacrifices.

Tithe-collecting pastors counter this by maintaining the payment of tithes pre-dated the law. Here Abraham is cited as the cardinal example of someone who paid tithes before the promulgation of the Law of Moses, as did Jacob, his grandson. However, such arguments are disingenuous.

Before the law, tithing was at best an example but not a commandment. Moreover, pastors fail to mention that Abraham only tithed once in his lifetime. When he did, he did not even tithe his own money: he tithed the spoils of war. He gave ten percent of the plunder he took when he rescued Lot to Melchisedec, king of Salem. But then he did not even keep the rest but returned it (all ninety percent) to the king of Sodom.

For his part, Jacob also tithed only once. He did this in a “let’s make a deal” arrangement he offered to God: “Jacob made a vow, saying, ‘If God will be with me, and keep me in this way that I am going, and give me bread to eat and clothing to put on, so that I come back to my father’s house in peace, then the LORD shall be my God. And this stone which I have set as a pillar shall be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will surely give a tenth to you.’” (Genesis 28:20-22). This kind of deal about accepting God only under certain self-serving conditions should certainly not be a term of reference for any serious believer.

Lies upon lies

The first lie pastors tell Christians is what some have referred to as “the eleventh commandment:” “Thou shalt pay thy tithes to thy local church.” But the bible says no such thing. The storehouse of Malachi was not a church. It was a place where food was kept.

Pastors hide from church-members the fact that money was not acceptable as tithe. The tithe was a tenth of the seed and fruit of the land and of the animals which ate of the land. (Leviticus 27:30-32). That is why God says: “Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be FOOD in my house.” (Malachi 3:10). He does not say “that there may be MONEY in my house.” The food was used to feed the Levites, the poor, widows, orphans and strangers.

Pastors also conveniently fail to teach the biblical tithe. The principles of tithing were not laid down by Malachi. They were laid down by Moses. The study of Moses’ guidelines quickly reveals that the biblical tithe has no application whatsoever to Christians and is mischievously violated by tithe-collecting pastors today.

According to the Law of Moses, the tithe was divided into three allocations. The first year, it was given to the Levite. The second year, it was given to widows, orphans and the poor. The third year, it was eaten in the company of the faithful before the Lord as thanksgiving for his faithfulness. (Deuteronomy 14:22-28). In the seventh year, there was no planting and no reaping and therefore no tithing.

So the next time your pastor asks you to pay tithe, ask him about the seventh-year reprieve. Also ask him if you can give your tithe to the orphanage, or bring it as food items to be eaten in church. Believe me; he will not agree with you because it is your money he is after.

Inapplicability of tithes

Tithing was only applicable to Jews and to the land of Israel. When large populations of Jews lived in Babylon, Ammon, Moab, Egypt, and Syria, these lands became tithe-able lands. However, tithes were not acceptable from strictly Gentile lands. So you need to ask your pastor how come he is collecting tithes in Nigeria.

Servants or slaves who worked on the land did not tithe because the land did not belong to them. Since only agricultural and animal resources were included, a fisherman gave no tithe of his fisheries. Neither did a miner or a carpenter pay tithes, nor anyone from the various professional occupations. So if you are not a farmer or a keeper of livestock, tell your 419 pastor tithing is biblically inapplicable to you.

Moreover, the only people authorised to receive tithes were the Levites. (Hebrews 7:5). So if your Pastor is a “tithe-collector,” ask him if he happens to be a Jew. Remind him that, even though a Jew, Jesus could not receive the tithe because he was not from the tribe of Levi but from that of Judah.

The trick, of course, is for pastors today to claim we are “Levites.” If your pastor is one such dissembler, ask him if he lives as a Levite. Remind him that Levites had no land and did not have private property. Ask him also how he knows he is from the tribe of Levi, which happens to be one of the lost tribes of Israel. Point out to him that even Jewish rabbis don’t claim to be Levites today because all Jewish genealogical records were lost with the destruction of the Temple in AD 70, ensuring that it is no longer possible to ascertain the true identity of Levites.

Therefore, if Jews no longer tithe because the Levites are a lost tribe, how can Christian pastors collect tithes when we are not even Jewish, how much more Levites? If Jewish rabbis, whose terms of reference remain the Old Testament no longer collect tithes, then pastors who insist Christians are under a New Testament have no business doing so.

The conclusion then is inescapable. Every pastor who collects tithes is nothing but “a thief and a robber.” (John 10:1).

Corona99: A lot of people, (Christians) 2b specific..argue about the act of paying their tithe at the end of the month..God is the source of that income... He only asks of the 1/10th not 50, not 80... Xo why should you grumble? Is that how you show your own appreciation! To whom much is given..much is xpected..

larryburton:
Are you sure?
Watch your word to avoid transgression.
I am a Muslim, just dislike people that lying to prove their point.

Corona99: hmm..ua a greedy n incompetent fellow...4rm waht u jst listed..hw many of em av u put in2 practise! If u dnt give hw else do u xpect 2 geht!

damosky12: Whaaaoo!! NO WONDER THERE ARE TOO MANY POOR CHRISTIAN. Chaai!! They hear and see the truth, yet, they choose to remain ignorant, hence, they remain poor and blame men of God for not giving them cash. ROM 8:5-6

Corona99: A lot of people, (Christians) 2b specific..argue about the act of paying their tithe at the end of the month..God is the source of that income... He only asks of the 1/10th not 50, not 80... Xo why should you grumble? Is that how you show your own appreciation! To whom much is given..much is xpected..

Goshen360:

I will NEVER follow the MOSAIC because the LAW make NO ONE PERFECT (mature) in the things of God.

dfav: Why is it that its only the money aspects of the OLD Testament that the Nigerian pentecostal churches are always after.

What about the blood sacrifice; the ram for the sin sacrifice the turtle doves for the burnt offerings; incents .. etc

I know someone will say Jesus as paid for those things I listed above. .. which is right based on the New testament.

So are the pastors saying that Jesus only died to end only the blood sacrifice of the law and excluding the financial aspects of the law.

This is not Biblical. JESUS came 2 fulfil and end the law. Every thing in the law including the animal blood sacrifice; the traditions and the financial aspects of the law... ok

So those SACRIFICIAL OFFERING; TITHES; FIRST FRUIT OFFERING etc are all part of the old testament. ..

The only one the new testament church did is free and willing giving/offerings.

JesusisLord85:

The reason we are not oblgated to tithe today, is NOT because the law is "done away with". It is because you cannot perform that act as prescribed.
If your pastor is a levite, bring him to me so I may tithe him.
But wait, was tithe in law EVER monetary? NO. Thay had a temple 'tax' which was money.
Tithe itself was the increase from the land. Do you have a farm?

Regarding the Yom Kippur bull sacrifice, that requires a high priest. When you find him, come and tell me too. Again, NOT because law is done away with.

Read the prophets and you will see that these sacrifices WILL return when Christ returns to reign in the millenial Kingdom. So if you thought it was 'bondage', you better get ready to be 'enslaved' again.

Candour:

@the bolded defeats all pro tithe arguments. at least a self proclaimed JEW has told you a bit of his history .

damosky12: This explains the reason why some Christians are'nt as rich as they ought to. It explains why some arnt even rich at all. PAYING YOUR TITHES AND OFFERING IS A PRINCIPLE TO RECIEVING SUPERNATURAL ABUNDANCE.

God said: "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse that there may be meat in mine house and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to recieve it.
And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground: neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts" - Malachi 3:10-11. Whao! God said all these, not a man's idea. It isnt like a man's idea of making money. God said it. Bishop Oyedepo isnt the one who put it there, GOD DID. Pastor Chris isnt the one who put it there, GOD DID. Whao! God said "try me, if I will not open the windows of heaven to bless you that there will be no room to contain it. Not just that, He says: after blessing you, He will rebuke devourers for your sake. Whao!!! That is the secret behind "the Kingdom wealth".
Now listen, whether you believe it or not, it doesnt change a thing. Whether you pay tithe or not doesnt affect God's servants. They will still live in stupendous plenty.
Offering and thiting isnt an old testament law, it is God's principle of expanding they that apply it.
"He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much..." - Luke 16:10

The principle to recieving plenty is to be faithful in the little wages, salary, income you earn. Notice, He didnt say "generous". He said "Faithful". That means, You arnt doing God a favour, You are giving Him what is His. Giving Him what is His is what gives you what is yours in Christ

damosky12:
This explains the reason why some Christians are'nt as rich as they ought to. It explains why some arnt even rich at all. PAYING YOUR TITHES AND OFFERING IS A PRINCIPLE TO RECIEVING SUPERNATURAL ABUNDANCE.

God said: "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse that there may be meat in mine house and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to recieve it.
And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground: neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts" - Malachi 3:10-11. Whao! God said all these, not a man's idea. It isnt like a man's idea of making money. God said it. Bishop Oyedepo isnt the one who put it there, GOD DID. Pastor Chris isnt the one who put it there, GOD DID. Whao! God said "try me, if I will not open the windows of heaven to bless you that there will be no room to contain it. Not just that, He says: after blessing you, He will rebuke devourers for your sake. Whao!!! That is the secret behind "the Kingdom wealth".
Now listen, whether you believe it or not, it doesnt change a thing. Whether you pay tithe or not doesnt affect God's servants. They will still live in stupendous plenty.
Offering and thiting isnt an old testament law, it is God's principle of expanding they that apply it.
"He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much..." - Luke 16:10

The principle to recieving plenty is to be faithful in the little wages, salary, income you earn. Notice, He didnt say "generous". He said "Faithful". That means, You arnt doing God a favour, You are giving Him what is His. Giving Him what is His is what gives you what is yours in Christ

christemmbassey:
the christian DOESNT recieve anything from d old testament, we recieve all things from THE FINISHED WOQK OF D CROSS. In fact if u r a christian, old tastament na 'super story'.

toorich:
Broke people like to argue and they are well fortified with scriptures to back up their predicament.



if you tithe or not, God is not angry... you will only reap the fruit of your action.


Enough of confused people spreading their confusion.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5pohoxXcV0




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycWX105K1rU

in summary, if you are of the seed of Abraham, you will do the works of Abraham with faith.

if you don't follow his footstep, shut your trap because you don't belong.

hard truth- take it or leave it.

That superstory is in your mind only. The whole word is valid but in several dispensations.

Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

You are meant to fullfill the laws of moses with a higher law.

Atmosfear:
FOOD FOR THOUGHT


Tithing Bananas

on May 05, 2013 / in Article of Faith 12:46 am / Comments

By Femi Aribisala
According to the scriptures, money is not acceptable as tithe; it has to be food-crops or livestock.

As far as many pastors are concerned, the most important scripture of all is not to be found in the word of Jesus. Neither is it even in the New Testament. That scripture says: “‘Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house, and try me now in this,’ says the LORD of hosts, ‘If I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such blessing that there will not be room enough to receive it.’” (Malachi 3:10).

This scripture is drummed repeatedly into Christians on Sundays. However, the only time Jesus mentioned tithing in scripture, he pointed out that it was not a weighty matter of the law. (Matthew 23:23). Hebrews says people only receive tithes “according to the law.” (Hebrews 7:5). It then insists tithing (and everything else under the law) has been annulled: “The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless.” (Hebrews 7:18-19). Nevertheless, mercenary pastors continue to insist on the payment of tithes.

Latter-day Pharisees

Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for keeping part instead of the whole law. (Matthew 23:23). That is what tithe-collecting pastors do today. If we insist our congregants must pay tithes, we must also insist that they keep the rest of the law. James says: “Whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.” (James 2:10). Therefore, if we insist on tithing, we should also refrain from eating pork. We should stone adulterers, execute homosexuals, kill Sabbath violators and restore blood-sacrifices.

Tithe-collecting pastors counter this by maintaining the payment of tithes pre-dated the law. Here Abraham is cited as the cardinal example of someone who paid tithes before the promulgation of the Law of Moses, as did Jacob, his grandson. However, such arguments are disingenuous.

Before the law, tithing was at best an example but not a commandment. Moreover, pastors fail to mention that Abraham only tithed once in his lifetime. When he did, he did not even tithe his own money: he tithed the spoils of war. He gave ten percent of the plunder he took when he rescued Lot to Melchisedec, king of Salem. But then he did not even keep the rest but returned it (all ninety percent) to the king of Sodom.

For his part, Jacob also tithed only once. He did this in a “let’s make a deal” arrangement he offered to God: “Jacob made a vow, saying, ‘If God will be with me, and keep me in this way that I am going, and give me bread to eat and clothing to put on, so that I come back to my father’s house in peace, then the LORD shall be my God. And this stone which I have set as a pillar shall be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will surely give a tenth to you.’” (Genesis 28:20-22). This kind of deal about accepting God only under certain self-serving conditions should certainly not be a term of reference for any serious believer.

Lies upon lies

The first lie pastors tell Christians is what some have referred to as “the eleventh commandment:” “Thou shalt pay thy tithes to thy local church.” But the bible says no such thing. The storehouse of Malachi was not a church. It was a place where food was kept.

Pastors hide from church-members the fact that money was not acceptable as tithe. The tithe was a tenth of the seed and fruit of the land and of the animals which ate of the land. (Leviticus 27:30-32). That is why God says: “Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be FOOD in my house.” (Malachi 3:10). He does not say “that there may be MONEY in my house.” The food was used to feed the Levites, the poor, widows, orphans and strangers.

Pastors also conveniently fail to teach the biblical tithe. The principles of tithing were not laid down by Malachi. They were laid down by Moses. The study of Moses’ guidelines quickly reveals that the biblical tithe has no application whatsoever to Christians and is mischievously violated by tithe-collecting pastors today.

According to the Law of Moses, the tithe was divided into three allocations. The first year, it was given to the Levite. The second year, it was given to widows, orphans and the poor. The third year, it was eaten in the company of the faithful before the Lord as thanksgiving for his faithfulness. (Deuteronomy 14:22-28). In the seventh year, there was no planting and no reaping and therefore no tithing.

So the next time your pastor asks you to pay tithe, ask him about the seventh-year reprieve. Also ask him if you can give your tithe to the orphanage, or bring it as food items to be eaten in church. Believe me; he will not agree with you because it is your money he is after.

Inapplicability of tithes

Tithing was only applicable to Jews and to the land of Israel. When large populations of Jews lived in Babylon, Ammon, Moab, Egypt, and Syria, these lands became tithe-able lands. However, tithes were not acceptable from strictly Gentile lands. So you need to ask your pastor how come he is collecting tithes in Nigeria.

Servants or slaves who worked on the land did not tithe because the land did not belong to them. Since only agricultural and animal resources were included, a fisherman gave no tithe of his fisheries. Neither did a miner or a carpenter pay tithes, nor anyone from the various professional occupations. So if you are not a farmer or a keeper of livestock, tell your 419 pastor tithing is biblically inapplicable to you.

Moreover, the only people authorised to receive tithes were the Levites. (Hebrews 7:5). So if your Pastor is a “tithe-collector,” ask him if he happens to be a Jew. Remind him that, even though a Jew, Jesus could not receive the tithe because he was not from the tribe of Levi but from that of Judah.

The trick, of course, is for pastors today to claim we are “Levites.” If your pastor is one such dissembler, ask him if he lives as a Levite. Remind him that Levites had no land and did not have private property. Ask him also how he knows he is from the tribe of Levi, which happens to be one of the lost tribes of Israel. Point out to him that even Jewish rabbis don’t claim to be Levites today because all Jewish genealogical records were lost with the destruction of the Temple in AD 70, ensuring that it is no longer possible to ascertain the true identity of Levites.

Therefore, if Jews no longer tithe because the Levites are a lost tribe, how can Christian pastors collect tithes when we are not even Jewish, how much more Levites? If Jewish rabbis, whose terms of reference remain the Old Testament no longer collect tithes, then pastors who insist Christians are under a New Testament have no business doing so.

The conclusion then is inescapable. Every pastor who collects tithes is nothing but “a thief and a robber.” (John 10:1).

nelklyn:

Good one...you did justice to this tithing ish. I was already conducting a research on tithing Before the Law, During the Law and After the Law, to clear the belief that Abraham was a tither. But i wouldn't call any pastor a thief or robber though.
Thumbs Up!

loswhite:
does God need ur moni? What will God do with ur moni? What God wants from us is to love our neighbor as much as we love ourselves . In the bible Jesus told his disciples that of all d ppl dat gave offering that his father accepted d woman dat gave her last coin. As small as it is,dat was wat God accepted. My question is if God did not accept the offering of those rich men,who did? My guess is d Pharisee and Sadducees who were also called men of God @ dat time. The wealthy men taught they were giving to God, unknown to them they were Js giving to Pharisee and Sadducees(men of God).