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Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by christemmbassey(m): 1:58pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
Goshen360:Q. E. D. O say it on top of d mountain, over the hills and everywhere dat GOD NO NEED TITHES. Jesus paid all d DEBTS WE COULD NOT PAY,W E DONT OWE GOD MONEY, GOD IS NOT A TRADER. Let d pastors work, bc d man dat refuses to work, MUST NOT EAT. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by christemmbassey(m): 2:10pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
wonderz: In Matthew 23:23, Jesus talks to the Pharisees, condemning them for tithing to the penny but neglecting the more important issues of justice, mercy and faith. He then goes on to tell them that they should in fact tithe, but that they shouldn't neglect the more important things. Jesus recognized the importance of keeping the tithe and we should, too.the christian DOESNT recieve anything from d old testament, we recieve all things from THE FINISHED WOQK OF D CROSS. In fact if u r a christian, old tastament na 'super story'. |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by toorich: 2:18pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
Broke people like to argue and they are well fortified with scriptures to back up their predicament. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() if you tithe or not, God is not angry... you will only reap the fruit of your action. Enough of confused people spreading their confusion. in summary, if you are of the seed of Abraham, you will do the works of Abraham with faith. if you don't follow his footstep, shut your trap because you don't belong. hard truth- take it or leave it. |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by Nobody: 2:39pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
christemmbassey: the christian DOESNT recieve anything from d old testament, we recieve all things from THE FINISHED WOQK OF D CROSS. In fact if u r a christian, old tastament na 'super story'. That superstory is in your mind only. The whole word is valid but in several dispensations. Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. You are meant to fullfill the laws of moses with a higher law. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by GoodBoi1(m): 2:41pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
christemmbassey: Q. E. D. O say it on top of d mountain, over the hills and everywhere dat GOD NO NEED TITHES. Jesus paid all d DEBTS WE COULD NOT PAY,W E DONT OWE GOD MONEY, GOD IS NOT A TRADER. Let d pastors work, bc d man dat refuses to work, MUST NOT EAT.Yeah!!! So what can you say about this 1 Corinthians 9 New International Version (NIV) Paul’s Rights as an Apostle 9 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not the result of my work in the Lord? 2 Even though I may not be an apostle to others, surely I am to you! For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 This is my defense to those who sit in judgment on me. 4 Don’t we have the right to food and drink? 5 Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas[a]? 6 Or is it only I and Barnabas who lack the right to not work for a living? 7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink the milk? 8 Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.”[b] Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10 Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more? But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ. 13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by Atmosfear: 3:10pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
FOOD FOR THOUGHT Tithing Bananas on May 05, 2013 / in Article of Faith 12:46 am / Comments By Femi Aribisala According to the scriptures, money is not acceptable as tithe; it has to be food-crops or livestock. As far as many pastors are concerned, the most important scripture of all is not to be found in the word of Jesus. Neither is it even in the New Testament. That scripture says: “‘Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house, and try me now in this,’ says the LORD of hosts, ‘If I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such blessing that there will not be room enough to receive it.’” (Malachi 3:10). This scripture is drummed repeatedly into Christians on Sundays. However, the only time Jesus mentioned tithing in scripture, he pointed out that it was not a weighty matter of the law. (Matthew 23:23). Hebrews says people only receive tithes “according to the law.” (Hebrews 7:5). It then insists tithing (and everything else under the law) has been annulled: “The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless.” (Hebrews 7:18-19). Nevertheless, mercenary pastors continue to insist on the payment of tithes. Latter-day Pharisees Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for keeping part instead of the whole law. (Matthew 23:23). That is what tithe-collecting pastors do today. If we insist our congregants must pay tithes, we must also insist that they keep the rest of the law. James says: “Whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.” (James 2:10). Therefore, if we insist on tithing, we should also refrain from eating pork. We should stone adulterers, execute homosexuals, kill Sabbath violators and restore blood-sacrifices. Tithe-collecting pastors counter this by maintaining the payment of tithes pre-dated the law. Here Abraham is cited as the cardinal example of someone who paid tithes before the promulgation of the Law of Moses, as did Jacob, his grandson. However, such arguments are disingenuous. Before the law, tithing was at best an example but not a commandment. Moreover, pastors fail to mention that Abraham only tithed once in his lifetime. When he did, he did not even tithe his own money: he tithed the spoils of war. He gave ten percent of the plunder he took when he rescued Lot to Melchisedec, king of Salem. But then he did not even keep the rest but returned it (all ninety percent) to the king of Sodom. For his part, Jacob also tithed only once. He did this in a “let’s make a deal” arrangement he offered to God: “Jacob made a vow, saying, ‘If God will be with me, and keep me in this way that I am going, and give me bread to eat and clothing to put on, so that I come back to my father’s house in peace, then the LORD shall be my God. And this stone which I have set as a pillar shall be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will surely give a tenth to you.’” (Genesis 28:20-22). This kind of deal about accepting God only under certain self-serving conditions should certainly not be a term of reference for any serious believer. Lies upon lies The first lie pastors tell Christians is what some have referred to as “the eleventh commandment:” “Thou shalt pay thy tithes to thy local church.” But the bible says no such thing. The storehouse of Malachi was not a church. It was a place where food was kept. Pastors hide from church-members the fact that money was not acceptable as tithe. The tithe was a tenth of the seed and fruit of the land and of the animals which ate of the land. (Leviticus 27:30-32). That is why God says: “Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be FOOD in my house.” (Malachi 3:10). He does not say “that there may be MONEY in my house.” The food was used to feed the Levites, the poor, widows, orphans and strangers. Pastors also conveniently fail to teach the biblical tithe. The principles of tithing were not laid down by Malachi. They were laid down by Moses. The study of Moses’ guidelines quickly reveals that the biblical tithe has no application whatsoever to Christians and is mischievously violated by tithe-collecting pastors today. According to the Law of Moses, the tithe was divided into three allocations. The first year, it was given to the Levite. The second year, it was given to widows, orphans and the poor. The third year, it was eaten in the company of the faithful before the Lord as thanksgiving for his faithfulness. (Deuteronomy 14:22-28). In the seventh year, there was no planting and no reaping and therefore no tithing. So the next time your pastor asks you to pay tithe, ask him about the seventh-year reprieve. Also ask him if you can give your tithe to the orphanage, or bring it as food items to be eaten in church. Believe me; he will not agree with you because it is your money he is after. Inapplicability of tithes Tithing was only applicable to Jews and to the land of Israel. When large populations of Jews lived in Babylon, Ammon, Moab, Egypt, and Syria, these lands became tithe-able lands. However, tithes were not acceptable from strictly Gentile lands. So you need to ask your pastor how come he is collecting tithes in Nigeria. Servants or slaves who worked on the land did not tithe because the land did not belong to them. Since only agricultural and animal resources were included, a fisherman gave no tithe of his fisheries. Neither did a miner or a carpenter pay tithes, nor anyone from the various professional occupations. So if you are not a farmer or a keeper of livestock, tell your 419 pastor tithing is biblically inapplicable to you. Moreover, the only people authorised to receive tithes were the Levites. (Hebrews 7:5). So if your Pastor is a “tithe-collector,” ask him if he happens to be a Jew. Remind him that, even though a Jew, Jesus could not receive the tithe because he was not from the tribe of Levi but from that of Judah. The trick, of course, is for pastors today to claim we are “Levites.” If your pastor is one such dissembler, ask him if he lives as a Levite. Remind him that Levites had no land and did not have private property. Ask him also how he knows he is from the tribe of Levi, which happens to be one of the lost tribes of Israel. Point out to him that even Jewish rabbis don’t claim to be Levites today because all Jewish genealogical records were lost with the destruction of the Temple in AD 70, ensuring that it is no longer possible to ascertain the true identity of Levites. Therefore, if Jews no longer tithe because the Levites are a lost tribe, how can Christian pastors collect tithes when we are not even Jewish, how much more Levites? If Jewish rabbis, whose terms of reference remain the Old Testament no longer collect tithes, then pastors who insist Christians are under a New Testament have no business doing so. The conclusion then is inescapable. Every pastor who collects tithes is nothing but “a thief and a robber.” (John 10:1). 1 Like |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by nelklyn(m): 5:49pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
Atmosfear: FOOD FOR THOUGHTGood one...you did justice to this tithing ish. I was already conducting a research on tithing Before the Law, During the Law and After the Law, to clear the belief that Abraham was a tither. But i wouldn't call any pastor a thief or robber though. Thumbs Up! |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by loswhite(m): 6:01pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
Corona99: A lot of people, (Christians) 2b specific..argue about the act of paying their tithe at the end of the month..God is the source of that income... He only asks of the 1/10th not 50, not 80... Xo why should you grumble? Is that how you show your own appreciation! To whom much is given..much is xpected..does God need ur moni? What will God do with ur moni? What God wants from us is to love our neighbor as much as we love ourselves . In the bible Jesus told his disciples that of all d ppl dat gave offering that his father accepted d woman dat gave her last coin. As small as it is,dat was wat God accepted. My question is if God did not accept the offering of those rich men,who did? My guess is d Pharisee and Sadducees who were also called men of God @ dat time. The wealthy men taught they were giving to God, unknown to them they were Js giving to Pharisee and Sadducees(men of God). |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by loswhite(m): 6:17pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
larryburton:this is a topic 4 Christians not Muslims. He is not lying to prove any point or can't u see dat d quote is from d bible |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by loswhite(m): 6:22pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
Corona99: hmm..ua a greedy n incompetent fellow...4rm waht u jst listed..hw many of em av u put in2 practise! If u dnt give hw else do u xpect 2 geht!clearly u dont have a point. Is it only ppl who pay tithe dat gives ? Most ppl will not help d needy but rather prefer to give 10 million to church so is dat wat u classify as giving. God does not live in a building my friend |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by loswhite(m): 7:18pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
damosky12: Whaaaoo!! NO WONDER THERE ARE TOO MANY POOR CHRISTIAN. Chaai!! They hear and see the truth, yet, they choose to remain ignorant, hence, they remain poor and blame men of God for not giving them cash. ROM 8:5-6this is exactly how u scam ppl |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by missangel201(f): 7:24pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
hey poster you know this is too long i cant read this |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by JesusisLord85: 8:49pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
Corona99: A lot of people, (Christians) 2b specific..argue about the act of paying their tithe at the end of the month..God is the source of that income... He only asks of the 1/10th not 50, not 80... Xo why should you grumble? Is that how you show your own appreciation! To whom much is given..much is xpected.. 'Christians' do not need to tithe. They who follow the perversion of Judaism the Roman Empire took and exported to the world (christianity). They lied to you about the colour of the Messiah, you ought to be asking questions of the religion they gave you. Their missionaries preached to you on Monday, and the captors came to took you on Tuesday. Again, should you not ask more questions. Jesus is the fulfilment of the prophecies of old, not the progenitor of a new religion. Acts 13 friends. Those converts were converting to Judaism. You don't need the spirit to understand that. That one is common sense. |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by dfav: 9:03pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
Why is it that its only the money aspects of the OLD Testament that the Nigerian pentecostal churches are always after. What about the blood sacrifice; the ram for the sin sacrifice the turtle doves for the burnt offerings; incents .. etc I know someone will say Jesus as paid for those things I listed above. .. which is right based on the New testament. So are the pastors saying that Jesus only died to end only the blood sacrifice of the law and excluding the financial aspects of the law. This is not Biblical. JESUS came 2 fulfil and end the law. Every thing in the law including the animal blood sacrifice; the traditions and the financial aspects of the law... ok So those SACRIFICIAL OFFERING; TITHES; FIRST FRUIT OFFERING etc are all part of the old testament. .. The only one the new testament church did is free and willing giving/offerings. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by JesusisLord85: 9:05pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
Goshen360: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Oh 'wise one'. I'm sure even Solomon in his wisdom was aware of this, and yet, he walked according to the commandments of God - he was not perfect. Did he say "this won't make me perfect, forget this law". So how were the men of old being saved? Was it the law then? No. If that is your only reason for rejecting Yahweh's instructions (Torah), then God help you. Romans 4:6-8 "6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." Shalom |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by JesusisLord85: 9:10pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
dfav: Why is it that its only the money aspects of the OLD Testament that the Nigerian pentecostal churches are always after. The reason we are not oblgated to tithe today, is NOT because the law is "done away with". It is because you cannot perform that act as prescribed. If your pastor is a levite, bring him to me so I may tithe him. But wait, was tithe in law EVER monetary? NO. Thay had a temple 'tax' which was money. Tithe itself was the increase from the land. Do you have a farm? Regarding the Yom Kippur bull sacrifice, that requires a high priest. When you find him, come and tell me too. Again, NOT because law is done away with. Read the prophets and you will see that these sacrifices WILL return when Christ returns to reign in the millenial Kingdom. So if you thought it was 'bondage', you better get ready to be 'enslaved' again. |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by Candour(m): 9:56pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
JesusisLord85: @the bolded defeats all pro tithe arguments. at least a self proclaimed JEW has told you a bit of his history ![]() ![]() Give to your church, but please IT WILL NEVER BE GOD'S TITHE. The almighty knows his tithe and those he asked to collect it. It's you and i who need to align our knowledge to what the almighty set down in the law by himself. 3 Likes |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by JesusisLord85: 10:13pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
Candour: Hope you are accept the truth too, Jesus is not the progenitor of some new religion. Revelation 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan". Who says they are Jews today? It is the oyinbo turks you see in Jerusalem. They are converts, ashkenazi Jews, sons of Japeth. We blacks are the true Hebrews (well, not all of us, but I know, as a yoruba man, I am) Luke 21:24 " And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." They are gentiles. Revelation 21: 11 having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 and had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:" Ezekiel 48 "31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi. 32 And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan. 33 And at the south side four thousand and five hundred measures: and three gates; one gate of Simeon, one gate of Issachar, one gate of Zebulun. 34 At the west side four thousand and five hundred, with their three gates; one gate of Gad, one gate of Asher, one gate of Naphtali. 35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there." Where are those of this new religion 'christianity' in this story? I know, let me tell you: Matthew 7:21-23 "21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Sounds like they had faith, but no works. Which works? "If ye were the children of Abraham, ye would do the works of Abraham" Enter via the narrow gate friend. Shalom |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by Nobody: 11:40pm On Aug 22, 2013 |
damosky12: This explains the reason why some Christians are'nt as rich as they ought to. It explains why some arnt even rich at all. PAYING YOUR TITHES AND OFFERING IS A PRINCIPLE TO RECIEVING SUPERNATURAL ABUNDANCE. DO YOU LIVE BY THE MOSAIC LAW? IF YOU DO, YOU TELL ME BEFORE I TALK. |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by kiik: 8:20am On Aug 24, 2013 |
First y'all must knw dat tithe is nt a duty nor a command. It is a law or a princinplen when applied u get d desired results. A fruit always has a seed which is a tenth of d fruit nd if d seed is put back to d ground den it germinates nt into one fruit bt more fruits. Dis is wat we tithing christains bliv in. According to matt 6:33, we don't get our salaries or income jsut by our work but becos we got dat job or wrk in d 1st plac cos we sought d kingdom of God thru his word nd d preaching of our pastors. So we sew back to where we get inspired. If we hold grudges against our pastors nd don't do our own wrks as christains we ve failed as christains. Nobody will hold a gun to ur head to pay tithe, if u bliv in it practise it cos u will sure be blesssed more abundantly, but if u dnt bliv in it den dnt be forced to pay tithe till u hv a firm understanding of d principle. Derz no nid to condem our pastors pls, if u ve no proof neva call sm1 a thief. Just practise nd live life with d Holy spirit. Giving charity is yet anoda principle of living a proeperous live different 4rm tithingn dnt confuse d two. Simply pay ur tithing to whr u get ur spiritual inspirations. It may even be a spiritual group oda dan d church. Don't condem tithing cos u dnt understand it or cos ur pastor is rich. Dose days wen pastors were looking unkempt, nobody wanted to hear dem preach cos dey say " if dats how ur God makes u look den I dnt want to worship ur God!" But now pastors look good yet we complain, how very human of us. Newayz no nid 4 arguments dat won't bring solutions or conclusion. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by paparazzi1987(m): 8:14am On Aug 27, 2013 |
Luke 19 vs 26 I say unto you, that unto every one that hath shall be given; but from him that hath not, even that which he hath shall be taken away from him |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by emmyileri(m): 9:26pm On Mar 21, 2022 |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by Workch: 10:03pm On Mar 21, 2022 |
[s] damosky12:[/s] Your statement is not consistent with reality |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by emmyileri(m): 10:08am On Mar 25, 2022 |
christemmbassey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5pohoxXcV0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycWX105K1rU |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by emmyileri(m): 10:09am On Mar 25, 2022 |
toorich: |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by emmyileri(m): 10:10am On Mar 25, 2022 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5pohoxXcV0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycWX105K1rU |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by emmyileri(m): 10:12am On Mar 25, 2022 |
Atmosfear: You have muddled up the whole scriptures brother https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5pohoxXcV0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycWX105K1rU |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by emmyileri(m): 10:13am On Mar 25, 2022 |
nelklyn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5pohoxXcV0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycWX105K1rU |
Re: What Is Wrong With Paying Your Tithe In Church? by emmyileri(m): 10:16am On Mar 25, 2022 |
loswhite: Not true... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5pohoxXcV0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycWX105K1rU |
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