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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:26pm On Sep 30, 2013
coogar:

if twins & evra gets injured then we are in trouble just like city are without kompany or real madrid without ronaldo.

our creativity is on the flanks - we have won 5 league titles in 7 seasons with a below average midfield but the wing play gets us through.



upload what again?
berbatov missed a penalty. he attempted a trick that failed to work. RVP's first penalty for us was a miss too & he attempted the same trick so why is berba being demonised?



kagawa offers more than rooney, never mind van persie. we lost against west brom because once again, rooney couldn't sort his head after west brom's 2nd goal.

i cannot count the number of times rooney lost the ball. his first touch was abysmal & he failed to find any opening that kagawa was finding in spite of kagawa operating from the wide areas.
upload both pks, and lets see. Y r u finding it so difficult to do this one, wen u readily upload videos to support ur arguements? grin grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 12:35pm On Sep 30, 2013
debosky: Did you think RVP would continue without injuries indefinitely? That's what I call blind optimism.

if he is going to be injured, it shouldn't be muscular injuries while on a treadmill. that is a poor training regime.


Moyes is a learner at this level - he has more players than he has ever had and is struggling to understand how best to combine them. He's also struggling with learning how to plan for multiple competitions while turning out teams able to do the job on the day.

at 50 years of age?
what a sensible learner should have done is to study fergie's blueprints extensively. look at the pattern fergie used to select teams especially the old players(rio, vidic, giggs, evra, etc)


That's what killed him on Saturday - the team was neither here nor there, probably because he was thinking about the next CL game. By the time WB struck, the team just couldn't respond.

he named a poor team, a daft bench and equally idiotic substitutions.


Talking down your squad is quite foolish though. . . .the same squad you claimed you were happy to go into the season with (even with no additions)??

fergie should take some of the blame too. he continuously lied he wouldn't be part of the recruitment process when he retires. if moyes wasn't a fellow scot, he wouldn't have been chosen by fergie. this is nepotism at it's best.


Someone should take the microphone away from this guy before he talks himself out of a job.

with fergie's backing, there's no chance....

dademola: upload both pks, and lets see. Y r u finding it so difficult to do this one, wen u readily upload videos to support ur arguements? grin grin

that incident was 08/09. my gif archive cannot travel that further behind. one thing is clear though - berba has only missed one penalty for us and that does not suggest he's poor at it like you keep telling us.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:47pm On Sep 30, 2013
coogar:

if he is going to be injured, it shouldn't be muscular injuries while on a treadmill. that is a poor training regime.



at 50 years of age?
what a sensible learner should have done is to study fergie's blueprints extensively. look at the pattern fergie used to select teams especially the old players(rio, vidic, giggs, evra, etc)



he named a poor team, a daft bench and equally idiotic substitutions.



fergie should take some of the blame too. he continuously lied he wouldn't be part of the recruitment process when he retires. if moyes wasn't a fellow scot, he wouldn't have been chosen by fergie. this is nepotism at it's best.



with fergie's backing, there's no chance....



that incident was 08/09. my gif archive cannot travel that further behind. one thing is clear though - berba has only missed one penalty for us and that does not suggest he's poor at it like you keep telling us.
cooger.we both knw if u need to upload a video of an incident in d 1966 worldcup just to prove a point, u'd gladly do so. Upload d pk and let d world see why berba cldnt hav been taking penalties for us. grin grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 1:08pm On Sep 30, 2013
dademola: cooger.we both knw if u need to upload a video of an incident in d 1966 worldcup just to prove a point, u'd gladly do so. Upload d pk and let d world see why berba cldnt hav been taking penalties for us. grin grin

i am done with this argument....
even if berba had touched the ball with his hand to score a penalty, it still doesn't suggest he's poor at it. he only missed once in a red shirt. rooney has missed about 8.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 1:15pm On Sep 30, 2013
coogar:

i am done with this argument....
even if berba had touched the ball with his hand to score a penalty, it still doesn't suggest he's poor at it. he only missed once in a red shirt. rooney has missed about 8.
upload ooo, and let d world see berbatov grin grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by papparatzzi2013: 1:40pm On Sep 30, 2013
Taking into cognisance our gradual slipping into abyss of colossal failure, sincerely, DM priority now is to stop us from shipping in those stupid goals.

I will rather advise him to start using 3 Defensive Midfielders per time until there is enough confidence and believe among the players. Presently they all look inferior to players of other teams even Cardiff. A combo of Fellaini/carrick/cleverly or Carrick/cleverly/Anderson. At least if one of them decided not to show up for the party, the other 2 can cover until the Coach recognizes that fact enough to pull out the weak link. That should offer enough cover for defense, in as much as Rio is not in defense.

We can always be rest assured of scoring a goal with RVP and Rooney combo.

These should get us through till January,when we can overhaul the team.

Virtually all the players we have clamored for have been used and the result are just getting more embarrassing. It is high time we leave players and the Coach should be more tactical to grind out result at all cost, so as to prevent us losing more ground before January.

Glazers and Woodward should also be ready to support the Clueless One that told us in July,he has enough quality players to execute the season and here he is in September telling us otherwise. More than ever before, he needs to put his thinking cap on, if he has any.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chamotex(m): 2:20pm On Sep 30, 2013
coogar:

they lost 2-3 to norwich last season @ etihad.
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Please don't give me irrelevant games when the title had already been decided.
Saturday's loss was not an irrelevant last game of the season.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 2:51pm On Sep 30, 2013
chamotex:

Please don't give me irrelevant games when the title had already been decided.
Saturday's loss was not an irrelevant last game of the season.

irrelevant? have you seen the line up? city losing the title should have spiked them to at least end the season with a victory on their own soil. they had tevez, toure, nasri, dzeko, etc. the calvary(aguero & david silva) were also brought on as early as the 50th minute when the game was 1-1.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 3:29pm On Sep 30, 2013
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by debosky(m): 3:31pm On Sep 30, 2013
coogar:

irrelevant? have you seen the line up? city losing the title should have spiked them to at least end the season with a victory on their own soil. they had tevez, toure, nasri, dzeko, etc. the calvary(aguero & david silva) were also brought on as early as the 50th minute when the game was 1-1.

Irrelevant. Winning or losing made zero difference to the league table. That is the very definition of meaningless. I see we're clutching at straws again. cheesy

A few days ago it was the easy fixtures of those ahead of you, now it's supposedly something else.

I'm taking bets on DM parking the bus against Shakhtar.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 3:45pm On Sep 30, 2013
debosky:
Irrelevant. Winning or losing made zero difference to the league table. That is the very definition of meaningless. I see we're clutching at straws again. cheesy

you are talking nonsense....
an irrelevant game wouldn't have city's big guns on the pitch at the same time trying to save face.


A few days ago it was the easy fixtures of those ahead of you, now it's supposedly something else.

the tough fixtures contributed to the horrible results in the first 5 games. SAF wouldn't have done better in those games. however, losing to west brom at home is another matter entirely.


I'm taking bets on DM parking the bus against Shakhtar.

he rested players for this game - he will be going for a win.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 3:56pm On Sep 30, 2013
coogar:
he's gotten all the big decisions wrongly. sacking SAF's entire backroom staff was one of those big decisions. rene meulesteen & eric steele are wonderful trainers with a wealth of experience. moyes replaced them with quacks from everton.

the 2nd concern for me is his atrocious training regime that has given van persie 2 muscular injuries. van persie had gone injury-free for 2.5 years until moyes' military-grade training.

the 3rd concern is rio. moyes kept playing rio at 35 in every game - this was the same rio that refused a national call-up because of his specialised training methods that made rio the best defender only last season.
I mentioned the Rio thing a week ago.
Plain stupidity to continue playing Rio like he was 25. Especially when everyone and their dog knows he's had back issues and has been managed and wrapped in cotton wool.
His decisionmaking has been suspect ever since day one. That is why I am not backing him to deliver or giving him the benefit of doubt when he fails to beat big sides.
Because he will never come good if he can not identify and effectively pursue a decent transfer target without paying over the odds or if he continues saying the rubbish he is spewing.
He started his failures by axingthe backroom staff in favour of his parapo.
Phil Neville without a coaching badge or any kind of coaching experience is an assistant at Manchester United.
Things you wouldnt even hear about at Okomu Oil, let alone read about at.
There are so many reasons why the dude is no fit to carry training balls at carrington, let alone be in charge of United.
Selection/tactics=0
Now you crucify your own players in the media. But you had 2months to strengthen the side. Instead you purchased an iroko tree for nearly 4 yes its value.
Idiot.ot
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 4:26pm On Sep 30, 2013
StarBoard:
I mentioned the Rio thing a week ago.
Plain stupidity to continue playing Rio like he was 25. Especially when everyone and their dog knows he's had back issues and has been managed and wrapped in cotton wool.
His decisionmaking has been suspect ever since day one. That is why I am not backing him to deliver or giving him the benefit of doubt when he fails to beat big sides.
Because he will never come good if he can not identify and effectively pursue a decent transfer target without paying over the odds or if he continues saying the rubbish he is spewing.
He started his failures by axingthe backroom staff in favour of his parapo.
Phil Neville without a coaching badge or any kind of coaching experience is an assistant at Manchester United.
Things you wouldnt even hear about at Okomu Oil, let alone read about at.
There are so many reasons why the dude is no fit to carry training balls at carrington, let alone be in charge of United.
Selection/tactics=0
Now you crucify your own players in the media. But you had 2months to strengthen the side. Instead you purchased an iroko tree for nearly 4 yes its value.
Idiot.ot

he can turn it around & we are lucky the main challengers are slumbering too. arsenal & spurs don't scare me. i only care about city & chelsea....and we are not too far from mourinho & pellegrini.

that being said, i think united would stick with moyes for at least a season. if he doesn't make the top four then the glazers would have him sacked. our business model relies on the awoof money the champions league gives us.

i am at crossroads here. moyes either wins it outrightly & keep his job or finish lower than 3rd & get sacked. what i wouldn't want is for him to finish 2nd or 3rd and give us a false hope that he's competent.

i think SAF must take some blame here too...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chamotex(m): 4:50pm On Sep 30, 2013
coogar:

irrelevant? have you seen the line up? city losing the title should have spiked them to at least end the season with a victory on their own soil. they had tevez, toure, nasri, dzeko, etc. the calvary(aguero & david silva) were also brought on as early as the 50th minute when the game was 1-1.

This is not even an argument...whether they played the big guns or not...the game was irrelevant.
A totally meaningless game which was my point initially.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chamotex(m): 4:55pm On Sep 30, 2013
coogar:

he can turn it around & we are lucky the main challengers are slumbering too. arsenal & spurs don't scare me. i only care about city & chelsea....and we are not too far from mourinho & pellegrini.

that being said, i think united would stick with moyes for at least a season. if he doesn't make the top four then the glazers would have him sacked. our business model relies on the awoof money the champions league gives us.

i am at crossroads here. moyes either wins it outrightly & keep his job or finish lower than 3rd & get sacked. what i wouldn't want is for him to finish 2nd or 3rd and give us a false hope that he's competent.

i think SAF must take some blame here too...

We can turn it around but how quickly? With the way things are going it doesn't seem like it would be any time soon.
Especially with the comments he has made over the past few weeks.
During the summer, he claimed he was happy with his squad...8 weeks later, they are not good enough. That is a sack-able offence for me.

I agree Fergie is partly to blame.
Fergie actually over-achieved with this squad lets be honest. His man management and the ability to motivate his players were key factors.
Moyes doesn't seem to possess any of these...at least not with this gibberish we are witnessing.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 5:42pm On Sep 30, 2013
chamotex:
This is not even an argument...whether they played the big guns or not...the game was irrelevant. A totally meaningless game which was my point initially.

however, the point still stands - some certain teams are not the same in the absence of some key players.

chamotex:
We can turn it around but how quickly? With the way things are going it doesn't seem like it would be any time soon.

he needs to replicate the performance we showed against swansea in the next 4-5 games. we have to beat arsenal now to stay close to the teams in the pole position.


Especially with the comments he has made over the past few weeks. During the summer, he claimed he was happy with his squad...8 weeks later, they are not good enough. That is a sack-able offence for me.

moyes talks an awful too much....
he should let his assistant do some of the talking for him. i can win the league with this squad. moyes must go back to the basics by choosing the right players. once we rediscover the winning ways then he can start tweaking bit by bit...


I agree Fergie is partly to blame.
Fergie actually over-achieved with this squad lets be honest. His man management and the ability to motivate his players were key factors. Moyes doesn't seem to possess any of these...at least not with this gibberish we are witnessing.

fergie left the squad with a big void in the midfield. moyes must have known about united's midfield - it's an open secret. why didn't he do something during the window to plug the gap?

the second offence is the fact that fergie handpicked moyes when there are more competent managers out there. only jose can fill fergie's shoes. at least, get him to stay 3 years while giggs, neville, scholes rush through their coaching career and then take over by 2016/17.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 5:46pm On Sep 30, 2013
Boys are not smiling at all. Well I feel Moyes needs help, he needs people to rally round him now. I understand that he might have been given a free hand, but this is United ooo if things are going down south drastic actions should be taken, in this case assisting Moyes.

Moyes can as well hlp the situation by keeping quiet, I think he is overwhelmed and scared that he is the one in charge of a great team like Man U who had a legend of a coach called fergie and things are getting ugly in his watch and this will further make him make erratic decisions and utterances that will further erode the confidence the fans have.

I already gave my expectations of Moyes this season.

PS if we sack Moyes or he decides to quit Now, who will be available or we are gonna employ chelsea style. Interim tinz.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MaziOmenuko: 6:46pm On Sep 30, 2013
See as my friends turned me to laughing stock just b'cos of Moyes. Someone sent me this;

Apple have promised to release a longer version of the iphone5 so that Manchester United will be visible on the premier league table.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 6:57pm On Sep 30, 2013
u guys are just annoying me with dese stupeed, pointless and unnecessary arguments, wtf! Can't y'all see its unending, cut it out already, jeez!

All I want is 4 us 2 sack moyes 2nite or 2mao morning and hijack Mancini 4rm galatasaray, simpLe
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:09pm On Sep 30, 2013
coogar:

he can turn it around & we are lucky the main challengers are slumbering too. arsenal & sunlon't scare me. i only care about city & chelsea....and we are not too far from mourinho & pellegrini.

that being said, i think united would stick with moyes for at least a season. if he doesn't make the top four then the glazers would have him sacked. our business model relies on the awoof money the champions league gives us.

i am at crossroads here. moyes either wins it outrightly & keep his job or finish lower than 3rd & get sacked. what i wouldn't want is for him to finish 2nd or 3rd and give us a false hope that he's competent.

i think SAF must take some blame here too...
Spot on for most if the above.
However I would rather not wait for the main title challengers to slip up.
We hardly ever relied on that possibility even when the race got tight.
We're still in September and looking for who among 4-5 other stronger sides will slip up.
That is a disgrace.
I would like to wait till sours and Arsenal start to trip up. So far that hasn't happened and I for one think Spurs are more formidable this time around. Only the brittle nature of Villas-Boas' mental state could be their downfall but so far they appear to have an intent about them. I actually am scared if and when they do get their act together. Some of their first half passing vs Chelsea on Saturday was breathtaking.
I for one am not likely to give David Moyesany kind of lleeway. His antecedents dont point to anything tangible. Like you alluded above his tenure at the helm of affairs is likely to be regarded more in line with business activities rather than technical competence, because let's face it, dude isn't fair to walk through that tunnel. This is my worry.
I should think that 3rd isn't good enough anymore given that we last ended in that position in 2005. The united faithful have come to expect so much from their sides to the point where we are already envisioning the worst at September's end I'm a competition we have effectively owned (the Premier League). I would have thought DM would have understood that the league title has become bread and butter to the united fan from Kingsmead to Kuala Lumpur, and as such not prioritize the champions league (entering only match day two) by naming a disjointed side for a tie against a lowly rated West Brom. The amount of naivete being displayed by the fellow is alienating all concerned for success to occur on the pitch: the fans and his own players.
Now he goes and tells everyone we do not have a squad if quality players.
That is a no-no as far as I know. A bad workman blames his tools. This is effectively what David Moyes is doing. This squad was one controversial decision away from outwitting and eliminating the Real Madrid he was labelling and comparing them to, yet he forgot how the same squad line-danced its way to the title without as much as a wobble same last year.
It is actually stretching the benevolence in us that makes some of us not judge him in the"tough" fixtures, because I think that doesn't hold water. When you're Premier League champs, you prepare for all comers, no matter how they come. I remember the run in to the 2002/3 title race where we had three ties: home to Liverpool (who finished above us previousyyear and did the league double over us same season),and away to Newcastle the following weekend and then another tough away tie to Arsenal the following Wednesday. We came out with 7 points from those games. Nobody talked about how difficult it was for us. we knew we had a job to do and we got it done. Our man saw the fixtures and moaned about them any chance he got,but list to West Brom, hardly in the elite discussion in English football
I have said previously that this task of managing United is far and beyond DM. He is proving me right with honors so far and the signs are not looking good for a reversal of fortunes.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 7:16pm On Sep 30, 2013
dopeJemi: u guys are just annoying me with dese stupeed, pointless and unnecessary arguments, wtf! Can't y'all see its unending, cut it out already, jeez!

All I want is 4 us 2 sack moyes 2nite or 2mao morning and hijack Mancini 4rm galatasaray, simpLe

What qualities do u even see in Mancini?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:19pm On Sep 30, 2013
I'm still shocked that Fergie chose this Dullard.
I'm pretty sure that friendship was the only criteria for picking him. If that be the case, then I'm sure Fergie must be a hypocrite because Ferguson had an impressive resume before being given the job earlier on
How can David Moyes, who hasn't had an away win against a too four side be United manager?
On that point alone, at least half of the other managers as of last season are more suitable than he is for the job.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:23pm On Sep 30, 2013
dopeJemi: u guys are just annoying me with dese stupeed, pointless and unnecessary arguments, wtf! Can't y'all see its unending, cut it out already, jeez!

All I want is 4 us 2 sack moyes 2nite or 2mao morning and hijack Mancini 4rm galatasaray, simpLe
Sack him, u may agree.
Mancini though, is definitely a no-no.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:25pm On Sep 30, 2013
dopeJemi: u guys are just annoying me with dese stupeed, pointless and unnecessary arguments, wtf! Can't y'all see its unending, cut it out already, jeez!

All I want is 4 us 2 sack moyes 2nite or 2mao morning and hijack Mancini 4rm galatasaray, simpLe
Mancini? You are a joke.. That one na coach? I ll choose a certin Amodu Shuibu before I consider that empty skull
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 7:50pm On Sep 30, 2013
chrisley024:

What qualities do u even see in Mancini?
his technique, his style of play, just cuz he didn't go far in europe doesn't mean he is not a good coach, what qualities don't u see in him??
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 7:52pm On Sep 30, 2013
I asked a simple question for those clamouring for Moyes sack or his eventual resignation today or tomorrow.

Suggest the most likely replacement available today?

I dey laff for the Mancini suggestion!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chamotex(m): 7:53pm On Sep 30, 2013
Gary Neville " Players will leave before Moyes"

With sir Bobby on the board, coupled with Fergie and Gill still on the board - Moyes is not going anywhere soon.

Coogar are you watching MNF?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 7:54pm On Sep 30, 2013
dopeJemi: his technique, his style of play, just cuz he didn't go far in europe doesn't mean he is not a good coach, what qualities don't u see in him??

solskjaer & roy keane are better than mancini

chamotex: Gary Neville " Players will leave before Moyes"

With sir Bobby on the board, coupled with Fergie and Gill still on the board - Moyes is not going anywhere soon.

Coogar are you watching MNF?

did you see the stats neville showed after we scored the equaliser? i never knew we were that bad. west brom annihilated us in every aspect of the game. this is the worst we have played in my lifetime at old trafford.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 8:07pm On Sep 30, 2013
what a goal by lukaku....
see smart wing play - there was a time we used to play like this. funny how times have changed. grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:10pm On Sep 30, 2013
Who is still on the Berbatov argument?

Now it is about penalty?

Man United had 5 penalties in 2010/11 season. 3 scored, 1 missed and 1 saved.

So what is the argument about? I can't read all that plenty argumento irrellevato about lazy Berbatov.


Even if the 3 penalties scored were to be added to his stat that season, he was still woeful.

Remember page 456 of this thread.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 8:11pm On Sep 30, 2013
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:16pm On Sep 30, 2013
The laziest penalty in football history was taken by Berbatov and it sent us out of the FA Cup we were favourite to win.

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