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@OP, If God does as you request, and one of these men heals ebola all over the place, what will you do? Worship him? Turn him into an idol? How many across the nations will come blindly even when they have no faith/trust in God himself?

No I don't see God doing what you have in mind. He can answer prayer in so many other ways. You should be able to see that too. But its entirely possible you didn't consider this because your focus is on these "men of God" rather than on God himself. However I don't think God would be happy with that. Just saying.

topearos: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm;

Awushhhhh ma eyes,,.,,. Why the many hmms?

Even though The Men of God afore mentioned did heal Ebola, they will still be termed "Fake". Why? The servant cannot be greater than his master. If they didn't believe Him, they Won't believe His servants"

Munalove: now i know you are more stupid than the o.p that wasted his tym nd his data posting rubbish.let me ask you, what points has the o.p given to u eh oda than using indirect way to say the men of God are fake and if hes saying so that is hes trying to say God that ordained them is also fake Guy b4 u insult somebody tink abeg

"Because real men are known during trying times" , There is an adage in every Nigerian language that ties in with that phrase.

fr3do: Where are our pharmacists, our lab scientists, our Ph.D holders and the government in proactively looking for a vaccine for ebola?

Taking a serious issue like this to drive drive your religious views.

ebola will go away, but religion which is a negative catalyst for moral decadence will never go away.
Deal with it.

they are all now pastors....

mazaje: As the governments of West Africa struggle to contain the spread of the Ebola virus, I am wondering where all the men and women of God who claim they can heal the sick and who conduct faith healing sessions in countries across the region are.

Where are all the continent’s miracle workers now that people desperately need healing; where are the anointed men and women of God now governments urgently need to contain the spread of Ebola? Where are all the pastors and preachers who have built their religious and business empires marketing miracle cure claims to gullible, ignorant desperate folks in cities and villages across Africa over the years? Have their miracle stocks suddenly gone dry? Or don’t they have any miracle package that is compatible with Ebola? What are our faith healers doing now? Can’t they singly or jointly take the spiritual battle against Ebola to affected communities and demonstrate to the world that their God is truly a miracle God?

Where are the T B Joshuas, David Oyedepos, Enoch Adeboyes, Kumuyis of this world and other anointed men and women who claim to be in direct communication with god in matters concerning healing? Why can’t T B Joshua travel down to Sierra Leone or Liberia and cast this ‘demon’ of Ebola into the Ocean once and for all? Why can’t the Nigerian government allow Ebola patients to come to the Synagogue in Lagos so that they can receive their healing from the quaking anointed hands of Prophet T B Joshua or be delivered by the most revered Enoch Adeboye and David Oyedepo?

Where is Archbishop Nicolas Duncan Williams of Action Chapel in Accra? Have his prophetic and faith healing powers suddenly expired? I mean this is the time for ministration. This is the time to spread God’s anointing and use it to counter the spread of Ebola. Where are the faith healers? I ask once again. The government and people Guinea, Sierra Leone need you now, urgently. The people of the world need your help. Do not retreat. Do not make excuses now the ‘Kingdom of God’ is suffering violence due to Ebola disease. This is the time of reckoning. This is the time to hold you to account for the faith healing claims you have made over the years. Yes, this is the defining moment.

A disease that requires you to put your healing powers to test is here. Where are Africans who believe in miracles and in divine healing and who flaunt this belief as a mark of piety and godliness? Belief is not enough. Faith in miracles, like sincerity, is subject to test. This is the testing time. Will you stand up now and be counted? A disease that requires you to put your belief to test is here. Please kindly step forward? Liberia beckons on you. Sierra Leone beckons on you. Guinea awaits you. What is the need entertaining belief in miracles only to suddenly suspend it when an occasion that demands you to put such a belief to the test arises? Ebola beckons on faith healers and miracle believers. This is your chance to convince and convert skeptics.

Where are all the Christian, Muslim, Traditionalist spiritualists who claim they have powers to cure diseases? Where are African diviners who claim to know the mind of God? Is there any faith healer in the foxhole of Ebola in West Africa?

I mean where are the god men and women? What are they doing now? Ebola is here threatening and charging to destroy economies and decimate population of countries. Please come forward and put your healing powers to the test and help countries in West Africa save lives and save money.

This challenge has become necessary if Africa must move forward and if the ongoing deception and exploitation by fake(faith) healers will end. There is no evidence for faith healing at all. Africans spend fortune on faith healing schemes. This challenge has become necessary if African people and their governments must improve the health care system and be able to provide effective responses to outbreak of diseases like the Ebola. Africans need to maximize their limited resources and stop investing and wasting money in useless cure schemes. Africans need to channel their funds into promoting evidence based health care system.

But this may not happen for now due to pervasive faith healing program in the region.

For too long, many people have often declared that they were called by God and given supernatural powers to heal diseases. They set up churches and shrines. Sometimes they operate from their homes. These self-acclaimed emissaries of a miracle working God organize faith clinics and healing sessions and charge exorbitant fees. Many Africans go to these faith doctors for ‘treatment’.

Today we have are several testimonies of people who claim they received their healing from these faith clinicians- pastors, priests, bishops, Alfas, Mallams, marabouts, one local spiritualist or diviner or the other? And these testimonies are often used to support ‘non evidence based medicine’ and discourage evidence based medical thinking and programs. This trend has had negative effects on the public health care system in the region.

The negative impact is such that when there is a serious outbreak of diseases, the peddlers of supernatural cures disappear into the thin air leaving their so-called flock in a lurch without any effective faith healing intervention. Just imagine that ridiculous gesture from T B Joshua to Ebola patients in Sierra Leone. He sent them tons of holy water. Did the holy water stop the spread of Ebola? No.

So when there is an outbreak of epidemic, many people begin to panic. They are confused as to which measures to adopt to prevent the spread of the disease. Sometimes they shun evidence based measures and instructions due to the confusion that has been created in their minds by faith healers and other peddlers of paranormal cures. Today African governments are asking for help from the international community in order to fight the spread of Ebola disease. Are they asking western countries to send them their faith healers or tons of olive oil? No. Are they asking eastern countries to send them Sheikhs, Mullahs or Rabbis, sacred Arabian sand, incense and perfume to combat this deadly virus? No. African countries are appealing for evidence based medical supplies, tested drugs and competent medical personnel, not prayer, incantation or divination.
Meanwhile, after the disease is contained, our faith healers will reemerge on the scene with their faith healing practices. They will begin once again to market their holy water, olive oil, holy handkerchief, and other faith healing wares. They will begin to perform signs and wonders once again.

It will be back to the religious business as usual. While, the government goes back to dogmatic and ‘faithfull’ sleep till another major outbreak of disease.

I mean this is totally unacceptable and must stop. Meanwhile, the medical assistance which African governments are demanding from Eastern and Western countries are programs and facilities which they are capable of putting in place in their different countries if only they could give enough priority to evidence based medical thinking and research, and stop hankering after miracle and faith healing schemes which fail them when diseases like a Ebola strike.

Leo Igwe is a skeptic from Nigeria.

http://saharareporters.com/2014/09/29/ebola-epidemic-where-are-faith-healers-africa-leo-igwe

God has heard you Mr Leo Igwe. The people you mentioned are Men of God and not God!

Sweetlemon: It"s just not sensible. Ebola is not something to experiment with. They could contract it and spread it to others.

Odikwa very risky.

very very very very very risky. U dont experiment or joke with such thing

sirjohnson: Where are the gods of men men of God?

Reading your post and that of the OP will suggest that prior to this EBola time, the Pastors where visiting leprosariums, mentAl institutions and the likes curing ALL afflicted souls.......if yOu think you have Ebola or anybody yu know;you can bring them to their crusades when ever you hear of one!

Your pple ebola bookers even BH expectant .SMH like seriously

aboyaji: ebola bookers since 1712. I wonder why una no follow for titanic wey sink

[quote author=Aida13]What is this one saying? It's a pity this NL is full of half-baked literates. I can see you didn't even understand the gist of my post. I'm asking the author of the letter to look inwards and change society through himself first. Instead of making grand attacks against pastors over what noone can controlbquote]

Pele o, fully baked mumu...I'm not surprised you cannot even understand what you typed. You are just a spec of sand in this matter. Let me attend to the knowledgeable ones.

[quote author=lolaxavier][/quote]You are an ODE.

A BIG FAT FOOL.

Ha ha ha yes let d man of God come out to cast out Ebola in africa since they can heal HIV/AID so Ebola is a very simple tin for them to cast out tooo...or are they hiding but they are anointed.

ebukaOtika: Awushhhhh ma eyes,,.,,. Why the many hmms?

another method of space booking

Codedrock: Dear prophet tb Joshua is currently angry at Nigerians most especially nairalanders for conspiring against him......... So i dont think he is ready help reduce anything now.............................

Really?what was the conspiracy all about?

Unfortunately, there is no way to understand God with human brains.

mazaje: As the governments of West Africa struggle to contain the spread of the Ebola virus, I am wondering where all the men and women of God who claim they can heal the sick and who conduct faith healing sessions in countries across the region are.

Where are all the continent’s miracle workers now that people desperately need healing; where are the anointed men and women of God now governments urgently need to contain the spread of Ebola? Where are all the pastors and preachers who have built their religious and business empires marketing miracle cure claims to gullible, ignorant desperate folks in cities and villages across Africa over the years? Have their miracle stocks suddenly gone dry? Or don’t they have any miracle package that is compatible with Ebola? What are our faith healers doing now? Can’t they singly or jointly take the spiritual battle against Ebola to affected communities and demonstrate to the world that their God is truly a miracle God?

Where are the T B Joshuas, David Oyedepos, Enoch Adeboyes, Kumuyis of this world and other anointed men and women who claim to be in direct communication with god in matters concerning healing? Why can’t T B Joshua travel down to Sierra Leone or Liberia and cast this ‘demon’ of Ebola into the Ocean once and for all? Why can’t the Nigerian government allow Ebola patients to come to the Synagogue in Lagos so that they can receive their healing from the quaking anointed hands of Prophet T B Joshua or be delivered by the most revered Enoch Adeboye and David Oyedepo?

Where is Archbishop Nicolas Duncan Williams of Action Chapel in Accra? Have his prophetic and faith healing powers suddenly expired? I mean this is the time for ministration. This is the time to spread God’s anointing and use it to counter the spread of Ebola. Where are the faith healers? I ask once again. The government and people Guinea, Sierra Leone need you now, urgently. The people of the world need your help. Do not retreat. Do not make excuses now the ‘Kingdom of God’ is suffering violence due to Ebola disease. This is the time of reckoning. This is the time to hold you to account for the faith healing claims you have made over the years. Yes, this is the defining moment.

A disease that requires you to put your healing powers to test is here. Where are Africans who believe in miracles and in divine healing and who flaunt this belief as a mark of piety and godliness? Belief is not enough. Faith in miracles, like sincerity, is subject to test. This is the testing time. Will you stand up now and be counted? A disease that requires you to put your belief to test is here. Please kindly step forward? Liberia beckons on you. Sierra Leone beckons on you. Guinea awaits you. What is the need entertaining belief in miracles only to suddenly suspend it when an occasion that demands you to put such a belief to the test arises? Ebola beckons on faith healers and miracle believers. This is your chance to convince and convert skeptics.

Where are all the Christian, Muslim, Traditionalist spiritualists who claim they have powers to cure diseases? Where are African diviners who claim to know the mind of God? Is there any faith healer in the foxhole of Ebola in West Africa?

I mean where are the god men and women? What are they doing now? Ebola is here threatening and charging to destroy economies and decimate population of countries. Please come forward and put your healing powers to the test and help countries in West Africa save lives and save money.

This challenge has become necessary if Africa must move forward and if the ongoing deception and exploitation by fake(faith) healers will end. There is no evidence for faith healing at all. Africans spend fortune on faith healing schemes. This challenge has become necessary if African people and their governments must improve the health care system and be able to provide effective responses to outbreak of diseases like the Ebola. Africans need to maximize their limited resources and stop investing and wasting money in useless cure schemes. Africans need to channel their funds into promoting evidence based health care system.

But this may not happen for now due to pervasive faith healing program in the region.

For too long, many people have often declared that they were called by God and given supernatural powers to heal diseases. They set up churches and shrines. Sometimes they operate from their homes. These self-acclaimed emissaries of a miracle working God organize faith clinics and healing sessions and charge exorbitant fees. Many Africans go to these faith doctors for ‘treatment’.

Today we have are several testimonies of people who claim they received their healing from these faith clinicians- pastors, priests, bishops, Alfas, Mallams, marabouts, one local spiritualist or diviner or the other? And these testimonies are often used to support ‘non evidence based medicine’ and discourage evidence based medical thinking and programs. This trend has had negative effects on the public health care system in the region.

The negative impact is such that when there is a serious outbreak of diseases, the peddlers of supernatural cures disappear into the thin air leaving their so-called flock in a lurch without any effective faith healing intervention. Just imagine that ridiculous gesture from T B Joshua to Ebola patients in Sierra Leone. He sent them tons of holy water. Did the holy water stop the spread of Ebola? No.

So when there is an outbreak of epidemic, many people begin to panic. They are confused as to which measures to adopt to prevent the spread of the disease. Sometimes they shun evidence based measures and instructions due to the confusion that has been created in their minds by faith healers and other peddlers of paranormal cures. Today African governments are asking for help from the international community in order to fight the spread of Ebola disease. Are they asking western countries to send them their faith healers or tons of olive oil? No. Are they asking eastern countries to send them Sheikhs, Mullahs or Rabbis, sacred Arabian sand, incense and perfume to combat this deadly virus? No. African countries are appealing for evidence based medical supplies, tested drugs and competent medical personnel, not prayer, incantation or divination.
Meanwhile, after the disease is contained, our faith healers will reemerge on the scene with their faith healing practices. They will begin once again to market their holy water, olive oil, holy handkerchief, and other faith healing wares. They will begin to perform signs and wonders once again.

It will be back to the religious business as usual. While, the government goes back to dogmatic and ‘faithfull’ sleep till another major outbreak of disease.

I mean this is totally unacceptable and must stop. Meanwhile, the medical assistance which African governments are demanding from Eastern and Western countries are programs and facilities which they are capable of putting in place in their different countries if only they could give enough priority to evidence based medical thinking and research, and stop hankering after miracle and faith healing schemes which fail them when diseases like a Ebola strike.

Leo Igwe is a skeptic from Nigeria.

http://saharareporters.com/2014/09/29/ebola-epidemic-where-are-faith-healers-africa-leo-igwe

SMH.

well, faith preachers already have the scriptural cure to ebola. God used Pastor David Ibiyeomie to deliver some of his members from the ebola. this is one of the testimony. Thats how God stopped the spread of ebola in PH and in Nigeria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtOhAkGRKCI

plaetton: What a nonesense.
So you have to believe before god heals you?
In that case I would assume that all who are healthy are so because they believe, and conversely those who are ailing in our hospitals this very moment are ill because they don't believe?
You god must be as silly as those those that believe that he heals.

Let me take you back to the old testament, where god was soooo helpless agains leprosy, that he ordered that they be quarantined from the general population.

Ebola, as well as other diseases kill humans , but also kill god over and over again.

The fools (like you) says in his heart there is no God. Repent now or be damned 4ever.

iwonbaoko: 20000 years ago man believed that smallpox could be solved by blood sacrifices and other rituals. Since then man hs come a llong way but the fact remains that what we know is very little compared to what we don't that is more evidence of the limits of man and his brain than evidence that there was once a guy called Noah who went into an Ark with two Ostriches and two elephants for a forty day cruise!!

I do not know what you mean by "normal" eyes but there is very little that science can explain compared to what it cannot that much I concede but the solution is not to concoct some ridiculous fiction because of the limits of our knowledge.
Think of it like this; we have Bible tales, we have Quran tales and hundreds of other tales from all over the world what makes any tale a better tale? They are all tales.

Well, the Bible is not just a book of tales, it is also a book of prophecy. There are prophecies in the Bible that actualy became fulfilled in the open. An example is the destruction of Jerusalem. Jesus Christ foretold the destruction of Jerusalem and even gave signs for his disciples to know when the time is at hand. History shows that it happened just as Jesus Christ foretold it.
Also, Paul an apostle foretold that the time will come when some people will arise in the church and prohibit men from getting married. This is happening today as is seen in the Catholic Church.
There are other prophecies in the Bible that are yet to happen. This is just so you Know that the Bible is not in same league as any other religious book.
I also concede that there are a lot of things in the Bible that are not clear or that do not follow logic. Things will certainly get clearer as time goes by

boujaye post=/post/26825617:
The fools (like you) says in his heart there is no God. Repent now or be damned 4ever.

Foolish gods like yours says there are no other gods. You had better acknowledge the existence of Zeus, Apollo, Race and Amadioha.

It's only a foolish god, a god cultivated in the fertile minds of unthinking fools like you that would seek to punish a person who does not believe in his existence, while, all he has to do is simply show up.

mecussey post=/post/26778327:
Unfortunately, there is no way to understand God with human brains.

So where did the bible come from? Did human beings not write it?

Weah96 post=/post/26831789:
So where did the bible come from? Did human beings not write it?

Inspirition...the truth is, what men know, they destroy, what we don't know, we call names or criticise

mecussey: Inspirition...the truth is, what men know, they destroy, what we don't know, we call names or criticise

Where you there when god was giving them the inspitation or did you just believe what they told you, after all god also wrote down the koran according to some people. . .

mecussey: Inspirition...the truth is, what men know, they destroy, what we don't know, we call names or criticise

Inspiration Hahaha.

Inspiration is what happens when a 10 yr boy plays 25 games of chess simultaneously against FIDE rated players without looking at any of the boards.

In your case, YOUR authors are making the claim of being inspired when it should me ME.

You just can't write a book and say "alright, I'm inspired, God doesn't want anyone consuming cattle today. The curfew ends at 6am."

That's nonsense. These were drug addicts, not unlike modern shamans and herbalists.

Weah96: Inspiration Hahaha.

Inspiration is what happens when a 10 yr boy plays 25 games of chess simultaneously against FIDE rated players without looking at any of the boards.

In your case, YOUR authors are making the claim of being inspired when it should me ME.

You just can't write a book and say "alright, I'm inspired, God doesn't want anyone consuming cattle today. The curfew ends at 6am."

That's nonsense. These were drug addicts, not unlike modern shamans and herbalists.

If I was God, I will not let men understand my way still. Just like CEOs, there is always this mistery behind them.

mazaje: Where you there when god was giving them the inspitation or did you just believe what they told you, after all god also wrote down the koran according to some people. . .

Everything is made so that nothing will be certain to man. Man
is made intelligent

Munalove: now i know you are more stupid than the o.p that wasted his tym nd his data posting rubbish.let me ask you, what points has the o.p given to u eh oda than using indirect way to say the men of God are fake and if hes saying so that is hes trying to say God that ordained them is also fake Guy b4 u insult somebody tink abeg

I can address any man as I wish, "Do my prophet no harm" , how do I know they are true prophets if their mannerisms do not follow that of the reference point of our faith .
In the several centuries Jesus has died which of these men have been able to near Jesus , and even God says his grace is sufficient to do "All" things through Christ.

Any real "man of God" can surely do more than the "son" of God . Jesus cured leprosy and overcame death, ebola should be child's play for Oyedepo.

Next time do as advised monkey up, sit down and shut up

plaetton: Foolish gods like yours says there are no other gods. You had better acknowledge the existence of Zeus, Apollo, Race and Amadioha.

It's only a foolish god, a god cultivated in the fertile minds of unthinking fools like you that would seek to punish a person who does not believe in his existence, while, all he has to do is simply show up.

this is heavy!

To those who chose to believe that there is no God. If in the end it turns out that there is no God, do you have any edge over those who chose to believe in God
What if in the end it turns out that God actually exists and you have refused to believe or obey him, what do you think will happen?

*just ponder on these things*

ofsegs: To those who chose to believe that there is no God. If in the end it turns out that there is no God, do you have any edge over those who chose to believe in God
What if in the end it turns out that God actually exists and you have refused to believe or obey him, what do you think will happen?

*just ponder on these things*

To those who choose to believe there is God what if in the end it turns out there is no God,do you have any edge over those who choose not to believe in God

Ponder that!!

Your logic is poultry logic

sweetgala: I can address any man as I wish, "Do my prophet no harm" , how do I know they are true prophets if their mannerisms do not follow that of the reference point of our faith .
In the several centuries Jesus has died which of these men have been able to near Jesus , and even God says his grace is sufficient to do "All" things through Christ.

Any real "man of God" can surely do more than the "son" of God . Jesus cured leprosy and overcame death, ebola should be child's play for Oyedepo.

Next time do as advised monkey up, sit down and shut up

i dnt hav tym 4 ur likes