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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 10:32am On Oct 06, 2014
MaziOmenuko:
Remove Fabregas and we all would be discussing how Torres was better than Costa! Its a fact: leave the responsibility of creating chances for Hazard and you'll see a struggling chelsea this season. When you dance around with the ball, your strikers will keep running into offside and eventually get frustrated.

I believe Torres would have fared better if he had Fab behind him as Costa is presently enjoying.
fabregas is the heartbeat of that chelsea side. hazard adds nothing to them apart from the occasional flashes of brilliance which are far & few in between. if we intend to win against them on the 26th, fellaini or valencia must be designated to man-mark fabregas.

stop fabregas & you would stop chelsea from playing. rafael would easily keep hazard in his pocket. hazard has nothing to offer when he's marked by a pacy full-back. cesc is what makes them tick. he gives them a different dimension. how do you defend the pass that got chelsea the second goal yesterday? costa has 9 league goals already & 4 of them were fabrepass!

enough said!!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
I just checKed this out now.
1. Premier league best eleven 2012/13..... Harzard listed, Silver not listed, Sterling not listed.
whoscored best eleven 2012/2013........... Harzard not listed, Silver listed, Sterling not listed.


2. Premier league best eleven 2013/14..... Harzard listed, Silver not listed, Sterling not listed.
whoscored best eleven 2013/2014............ Harzard listed, Silver not listed, Sterling listed.

whoscored 2014/2015 best eleven to date Harzard listed, Silver not listed, Sterling listed.

Any further argument on this chrisley024?
..............................................................

Whoscored players rating.
Á. D. María..M. Utd......8.05
E. Hazard Chelsea......8.04
C. Fàbregas Chelsea....7.90
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:36am On Oct 06, 2014
Dadehmola:
That's because fabregas was the one creating chances for costa at Athletico with the kinda agbero football they are known for abi?



Hazard is a tactical dribbler of the ball - his dribbles create space in the opposition's defence for his team mates to exploit.



Even if Chelsea bought 10 fabrepasses, it wouldnt have improved toress' form. The earlier you stopped thinking about the toress at Liverpool, the better. No be the same toress wey dey miss empty net at Chelsea??

As we speak, toress isn't better than Connor wickham.
You took it out of my mouth.

With Costa, Lampard would have excelled even at old age.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 10:53am On Oct 06, 2014
Dadehmola:
Compare like for like. silva and iniesta..
Which kind like for like? They play same position; @ the left wing. Iniesta plays in a 3-man midfielder.

Or u want to compare him with Navas? grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 10:59am On Oct 06, 2014
elampiro:
I just cheched this out now.
1. Premier league best eleven 2012/13..... Harzard listed, Silver not listed, Sterling not listed.
whoscored best eleven 2012/2013........... Harzard not listed, Silver listed, Sterling not listed.


2. Premier league best eleven 2013/14..... Harzard listed, Silver not listed, Sterling not listed.
whoscored best eleven 2013/2014............ Harzard listed, Silver not listed, Sterling listed.

whoscored 2014/2015 best eleven to date Harzard listed, Silver not listed, Sterling listed.

Any further argument on this chrisley024?
..............................................................

Whoscored players rating.
Á. D. María..M. Utd......8.05
E. Hazard Chelsea......8.04
C. Fàbregas Chelsea....7.90
I rate Silva higher. He has got big game influence, intelligence and technique and makes Toure better unlike Hazard that flashes few times in games.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:04am On Oct 06, 2014
chrisley024:
I rate Silva higher. He has got big game influence, intelligence and technique and makes Toure better unlike Hazard that flashes few times in games.
But Premier league preofessional footballers rate Hazard higher for the two season he has played in the EPL. Are you going to constest that?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 11:04am On Oct 06, 2014
chrisley024:
Which kind like for like? They play same position; @ the left wing. Iniesta plays in a 3-man midfielder.

Or u want to compare him with Navas? grin
Iniesta isn't a winger by default, same as silva. Comparing hazard to a winger will be more appropriate.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:08am On Oct 06, 2014
^^^

Hazard has only spent two seasons and for the two seasons professional footballers voted him above Silver. That cannot be a coincidence.

I think, may be, some of you only learnt football from theory. So you cannot see the overall picture. cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 11:12am On Oct 06, 2014
chrisley024:
I rate Silva higher. He has got big game influence, intelligence and technique and makes Toure better unlike Hazard that flashes few times in games.
silva is at least 5 times better than hazard. the whoscored rating is a farce. hazard takes penalties - the ratings will not highlight that aspect like yesterday where hazard did little & scored a goal via penalty.

another reason whoscored rating is a farce is the fact that they base statistics per game instead of per minutes. hazard has spent more minutes on the pitch than silva in the last 2 seasons.

in a nutshell, the only time whoscored ratings should be taken seriously is for one game where the players compared both completed 90 mins. you cannot use it as an accurate statistical tool for one season where one player plays more minutes than the other.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by leggo: 11:13am On Oct 06, 2014
coogar:
fabregas is the heartbeat of that chelsea side. hazard adds nothing to them apart from the occasional flashes of brilliance which are far & few in between. if we intend to win against them on the 26th, fellaini or valencia must be designated to man-mark fabregas.

stop fabregas & you would stop chelsea from playing. rafael would easily keep hazard in his pocket. hazard has nothing to offer when he's marked by a pacy full-back. cesc is what makes them tick. he gives them a different dimension. how do you defend the pass that got chelsea the second goal yesterday? costa has 9 league goals already & 4 of them were fabrepass!

enough said!!
fellaini to man-mark?you might as well give Fab the keys to Old Trafford. Let that be Valencia's role for the rest of the season.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 11:16am On Oct 06, 2014
leggo:
fellaini to man-mark?you might as well give Fab the keys to Old Trafford. Let that be Valencia's role for the rest of the season.
fellaini is a good hatchet man to man-mark. he's tall & he's a bully. he has a way of making all those niggling fouls that will not attract yellow cards immediately. small elbow, little trips, shoulder barges, aerial dominance, etc. cesc has no pace - so it's not like he can outpace fellaini in a chase.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by leggo: 11:18am On Oct 06, 2014
Gervinho is better than hazard... So why compare him to Neymar?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:19am On Oct 06, 2014
coogar:
silva is at least 5 times better than hazard. the whoscored rating is a farce. hazard takes penalties - the ratings will not highlight that aspect like yesterday where hazard did little & scored a goal via penalty.
Harzard wins Chelsea most penalties. Most times when the game becomes deadlock he does a Maradona like dribbling as we saw yesterday. Did you see what he did yesterday to win that penalty? Only Maradona or Messi can do that. He did it many times last season bringing something special late on to win difficult matches.

coogar:
another reason whoscored rating is a farce is the fact that they base statistics per game instead of per minutes. hazard has spent more minutes on the pitch than silva in the last 2 seasons.

in a nutshell, the only time whoscored ratings should be taken seriously is for one game where the players compared both completed 90 mins. you cannot use it as an accurate statistical tool for one season where one player plays more minutes than the other.
If whoscored is farce? Then Silva's case is even worse with EPL best X1 (voted by EPL players in the last two seasons.) No one here can claim to know better than collective of professional EPL players.

Lastly, if Silva get subs, it means he isn't even so valued. He get's rotated with a player like Nasri.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 11:20am On Oct 06, 2014
elampiro:
^^^

Hazard has only spent two seasons and for the two seasons professional footballers voted him above Silver. That cannot be a coincidence.

I think, may be, some of you only learnt football from theory. So you cannot see the overall picture. cheesy
You that learnt football by playing for United and general overseer grin what's the overall picture?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 11:20am On Oct 06, 2014
elampiro:
^^^

Hazard has only spent two seasons and for the two seasons professional footballers voted him above Silver. That cannot be a coincidence.

I think, may be, some of you only learnt football from theory. So you cannot see the overall picture. cheesy
so if you tasked with picking a player for Man United now with Hazard & Silva before your face; you pay up for Hazard?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by leggo: 11:22am On Oct 06, 2014
coogar:
fellaini is a good hatchet man to man-mark. he's tall & he's a bully. he has a way of making all those niggling fouls that will not attract yellow cards immediately. small elbow, little trips, shoulder barges, aerial dominance, etc. cesc has no pace - so it's not like he can outpace fellaini in a chase.
fellaini moves like an headless chicken, Fab ,matic and Oscar will draw triangles around him all day.. And yes Fab will outpace him and win freekicks in dangerous positions all game
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:22am On Oct 06, 2014
leggo:
Gervinho is better than hazard... So compare him to Neymar?
Are you kidding me? Now I have a reason to know this argument is a joke. Time to quit.

Gervinho playing for Roma. What is his football tranfer value? Hazard will be the next big money deal from the EPL after Suarez. Except something ugly happens to his form. And I don't see that
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by leggo: 11:24am On Oct 06, 2014
elampiro:
Are you kidding me? Now I have a reason to know this argument is a joke. Time to quit.

Gervinho playing for Roma. What is his football tranfer value? Hazard will be the next big money deal from the EPL after Suarez.
Gervinho has a bigger impact in his less-expensive squad, delivered in WC. Watch him and don't judge based on Urban legends about him
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:28am On Oct 06, 2014
SailorXY:
so if you tasked with picking a player for Man United now with Hazard & Silva before your face; you pay up for Hazard?
Yes, with all the pleasure. Silva cannot keep the ball. If we have someone to keep the ball like Hazard, o boy we are home. He keeps the ball so firmly and he gives his team mates options to move in in the manner he keeps it. That's is the interesting part of his game. A ball keeper is very key to a team.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 11:29am On Oct 06, 2014
elampiro:
Harzard wins Chelsea most penalties. Most times when the game becomes deadlock he does a Maradona like dribbling as we saw yesterday. Did you see what he did yesterday to win that penalty? Only Maradona or Messi can do that. He did it many times last season bringing something special late on to win difficult matches.
make I hear word jare
how many times has Nani used Arsenal to practice dribbling skills? Wenger always parade feather-weight players, & for all their technique, that alone won't make you a world beater! where was the special dribbles from Hazard against City a forth-night ago? How many has he done against the likes Liverpool or teams that add physical approaches?

and your are calling his name in same sentence as Bale
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 11:31am On Oct 06, 2014
elampiro:
Yes, with all the pleasure. Silva cannot keep the ball. If we have someone to keep the ball like Hazard, o boy we are home. He keeps the ball so firmly and he gives his team mates options to move in in the manner he keeps it. That's is the interesting part of his game. A ball keeper is very key to a team.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha dadehmola what can u say about this?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:32am On Oct 06, 2014
leggo:
Gervinho has a bigger impact in his less-expensive squad, delivered in WC. Watch him and don't judge based on Urban legends about him
I will notice when Madrid and Barca start speculating about puting 50 million on him. lol

Ba used to deliver in a small club until he got a big club. So that is not a criteria.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 11:36am On Oct 06, 2014
elampiro:
Are you kidding me? Now I have a reason to know this argument is a joke. Time to quit.

Gervinho playing for Roma. What is his football tranfer value? Hazard will be the next big money deal from the EPL after Suarez. Except something ugly happens to his form. And I don't see that
& how much do you think will be his transfer value? will he be as expensive as di Maria? will he cost up to David Luiz (only except another maga does the deal)
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by leggo: 11:37am On Oct 06, 2014
elampiro:
I will notice when Madrid and Barca start speculating about puting 50 million on him. lol

Ba used to deliver in a small club until he got a big club. So that is not a criteria.
As Roma is a small club?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 11:40am On Oct 06, 2014
elampiro:
Yes, with all the pleasure. Silva cannot keep the ball. If we have someone to keep the ball like Hazard, o boy we are home. He keeps the ball so firmly and he gives his team mates options to move in in the manner he keeps it. That's is the interesting part of his game. A ball keeper is very key to a team.
So Hazard keeps the ball better than Silva? cheesy I'd like to see the TV u use in watching games cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 11:40am On Oct 06, 2014
leggo:
Gervinho has a bigger impact in his less-expensive squad, delivered in WC. Watch him and don't judge based on Urban legends about him
This is a joke abi ?
The fact that your argument against Hazard is the WC is weak.
The WC is too small a sample.
Gervinho and Hazard were in d same ligue and team when hazard was covering himself in glory.
Gervinho came to d Epl and Flopped badly,this may due to d spiritual affliction hunting the Emirate ground but flop he did.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 11:42am On Oct 06, 2014
elampiro:
Harzard wins Chelsea most penalties. Most times when the game becomes deadlock he does a Maradona like dribbling as we saw yesterday. Did you see what he did yesterday to win that penalty? Only Maradona or Messi can do that. He did it many times last season bringing something special late on to win difficult matches.
no he doesn't!
chelsea players get into the box a lot & thus they win penalties. it's not down to hazard alone. what he did yesterday was the only positive thing he contributed in the game & that was it. if silva had done that, aguero or toure woulda taken the resulting penalty.

whoscored cannot quantify such differentials.

If whoscored is farce? Then Silva's case is even worse with EPL best X1 (voted by EPL players in the last two seasons.) No one here can claim to know better than collective of professional EPL players.
EPL XI is sometimes a popularity contest. we all saw nani outplay gareth bale in 2010/11 but bale unanonymously got the award. in 2008/9 season, giggs was chosen over vidic, ronaldo, torres & gerrard. giggs contributed next to nothing & he won a sympathy award. there are other examples too.

Lastly, if Silva get subs, it means he isn't even so valued. He get's rotated with a player like Nasri.
if silva gets substituted, it's a testament to the quality of the city side. hazard would be lucky to get 20 league starts at city.......and silva will play every game at chelsea. hazard is so good but mata was chosen ahead of him as the player of the season.

hazard ko, danger ni.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1761147_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

khaki isn't leather, silva na hazard's grandfather.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:43am On Oct 06, 2014
SailorXY:
make I hear word jare
how many times has Nani used Arsenal to practice dribbling skills? Wenger always parade feather-weight players, & for all their technique, that alone won't make you a world beater! where was the special dribbles from Hazard against City a forth-night ago? How many has he done against the likes Liverpool or teams that add physical approaches?

and your are calling his name in same sentence as Bale
Waht are you saying sef? You have not been watching Chelsea since last season? Hazard dribbles even against Agbegi teams.

* vs Man City as you said. Hazard won 6 drbblings against Silva 2.
* Hazard had an assist and Silva nil.
* Pass accuracy, Hazrad 95% Silva 89, despite Mourniho parking the bus.
* aerial duels, Hazard 67% Silva 0%
* Even if Silva get sub, he should be posting above 6.rating in a match like this.

I am not aware that Chelsea has played Liverpool this season. grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 11:48am On Oct 06, 2014
SailorXY:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha dadehmola what can u say about this?
Sh*t happens joor !! cheesy cheesy

He meant to use the word "dribble"
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by leggo: 11:50am On Oct 06, 2014
SIRcumalot:
This is a joke abi ?
The fact that your argument against Hazard is the WC is weak.
The WC is too small a sample.
Gervinho and Hazard were in d same ligue and team when hazard was covering himself in glory.
Gervinho came to d Epl and Flopped badly,this may due to d spiritual affliction hunting the Emirate ground but flop he did.
what jokes, gervinho should have been named player of the seson in his last season in lille. I won't waste my time looking for stats. Roma's Gervinho has performed better than Chelsea's hazard last season and this.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 11:51am On Oct 06, 2014
elampiro:
Waht are you saying sef? You have not been watching Chelsea since last season? Hazard dribbles even against Agbegi teams.

* vs Man City as you said. Hazard won 6 drbblings against Silva 2.
* Hazard had an assist and Silva nil.
* Pass accuracy, Hazrad 95% Silva 89, despite Mourniho parking the bus.
* aerial duels, Hazard 67% Silva 0%
* Even if Silva get sub, he should be posting above 6.rating in a match like this.

I am not aware that Chelsea has played Liverpool this season. grin
stay there dey deceive yourself with mathematics, so you are trying to tell me that Hazard was more in the game against City than Silva? this last match wey we just watch finish? a game where the first meaningful Chelsea attack was after a red card to their opponent? hahaha guy get yourself a better television first, & probably a HD decoder as well
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:54am On Oct 06, 2014
coogar:
no he doesn't!
chelsea players get into the box a lot & thus they win penalties. it's not down to hazard alone. what he did yesterday was the only positive thing he contributed in the game & that was it. if silva had done that, aguero or toure woulda taken the resulting penalty.

whoscored cannot quantify such differentials.



EPL XI is sometimes a popularity contest. we all saw nani outplay gareth bale in 2010/11 but bale anonymously got the award. in 2008/9 season, giggs was chosen over vidic, ronaldo, torres & gerrard. giggs contributed next to nothing & he won a sympathy award. there are other examples too.



if silva gets substituted, it's a testament to the quality of the city side. hazard would be lucky to get 20 league starts at city.......and silva will play every game at chelsea. hazard is so good but mata was chosen ahead of him as the player of the season.

hazard ko, danger ni.
EPL XI is fair enough. Gareth Bale was coming from defensive position to win dribble his way to score similar goas as he does today. That was where he started doing his killing before he was later used in the midfield. In the UCL he was single handedly winning games for Tottenham. He ttok that season by storm just as James took the last world cup by storm.
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