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raumdeuter:
Based on potential, Hazard is a decent replacement for Ribery who is already over 30 and would start declining

Just like for example One can wish Raheem STerling as a future Robben replacement, Does that mean Sterling is better than Robben?

Dayo, stop lying....

You wanted ribery out of your team, with hazard as his immediate replacement. It's just unfortunate that your posts woulda been erased.

Ogbeni ramdauter; in 2014, who has been the better footballer between hazard and ribery??

Nihilist:
I don't think you understand English.



If you believe that Hazard is a good enough replacement for Ribery right now, then why are you arguing that Hazard cannot surpass Ribery's achievement?

Abi which Kain agbo Jedi you drink this night?

Its believed by some Madrid fans that Reus, Bale or Ronaldo can be a replacement for Ronaldo, WOuld that mean they can surpass Ronaldos achievement?

Nihilist:
I don't think you understand English.



If you believe that Hazard is a good enough replacement for Ribery right now, then why are you arguing that Hazard cannot surpass Ribery's achievement?

Abi which Kain agbo Jedi you drink this night?

This is the painful aspect. Was it not this same dayokanu that was asking you guys how much hazard would cost because he was sick and tired of the sh*ty football ribery was serving them ?

Dadehmola:
Dayo, stop lying....

You wanted ribery out of your team, with hazard as his immediate replacement. It's just unfortunate that your posts woulda been erased.

Ogbeni ramdauter; in 2014, who has been the better footballer between hazard and ribery??

I wanted Hazard in right now because he has the POTENTIAL to be better if in an attacking team like Bayern where they would teach him real football not monkey post put ball for "torros" game.

Even though Ribery is declining due to age. As at today Ribery is a better footballer. that said post 2014, I expect Ribery to start declining and Hazard would be a good replacement for him if he can be moulded , kinks ironed out and become more sensible in his plays

Dadehmola:
This is the painful aspect. Was it not this same dayokanu that was asking you guys how much hazard would cost because he was sick and tired of the sh*ty football ribery was serving them ?

Either comprehension is your problem or just logic.

A player has the potential to replace does not mean he is currently better.

No one here has still told us why Gotze in one season created more, assisted more and scored more than Hazard in his entire career

ANY TAKERS?

coogar:
you have not advanced your point one jot....you keep dancing round in circles. i guess EPL players were also right when they chose a geriatric giggs over world best player(ronaldo) in 2009.



i said ashley young(if fit) is as productive, if not better than di maria. that claim is still very valid. i don't want to start digging young's résumé again.

- i have done that more than 20 times on this thread, i even challenged you to find any winger better than young in the whole of europe(minus ronaldo/messi) and you ran away with the tail between your legs.

unfortunately for young, he is unfit again this season to re-produce the form that made SAF pay the top dollar for him in 2012. as far as productivity is concerned, only few wingers can match ashley young in europe. his performance in 2007 got jose mourinho sacked.



you don't understand stats!
i dunno why van persie is being brought up in a debate that involved silva & hazard but i can defend the dutchman.

van persie is a centre forward. he's constantly marked by 2 centre-halves & he operates in high pressure zones on the pitch. there's hardly any striker with a good turnover stats....

hazard isn't a striker. he's further away from the opponent's box than a centre forward, why then is he losing the ball twice as much as silva who play the same role for city? it then means the more hazard dribbles, the more likely he loses the ball.

your fraudulent stats is only showing attempted dribbles - it didn't say how many of those dribbles were successful in the end. the turnover simply shows eden hazard is a liability & this is why silva has outpassed him in the last 2 seasons.

* Ronaldo regressed in 2009. He wasn't EPL best player that season. You cannot know better than the professionals who are involved.

* You told us Young was better than Di Maria because Young was shining in the preseason. In fact you stated you didn't want Di Maria because he would add nothing to the team. You said it so emphatically. Young and Di Maria are not in the same league even if Young hits form 300%.

* Silva has 5 turnovers, 18 dispossed, got dribbled 20 times. Total negative activities = 43.
Hazard has 10 turnovrs, 13 dispossed, got dribbled 4 times. Total negative activities = 27.

raumdeuter:
Its believed by some Madrid fans that Reus, Bale or Ronaldo can be a replacement for Ronaldo, WOuld that mean they can surpass Ronaldos achievement?

Are you comparing Ronaldo's achievements to Ribery's?

Or can Bale/Reus replace Ronaldo right now?

Ribery's bar is not that high at all, and even you admit that with the right guidance Hazard can be a world beater....so why are you arguing Dayo?

Nihilist:
Are you comparing Ronaldo's achievements to Ribery's?

Or can Bale/Reus replace Ronaldo right now?

Ribery's bar is not that high at all, and even you admit that with the right guidance Hazard can be a world beater....so why are you arguing Dayo?

With right guidance Hazard can be a world beater or he can match RIbery, Right now he is light yrs away from Ribery. If you need a player to deliver TODAY without considering the future Its Ribery over Hazard 100 out of 100 times

Just as Bale/Reus cant replace Ronaldo's OUTPUT right now But MIGHT be able to in some yrs down the line, Same with Hazard to Ribery

raumdeuter:
No one here has still told us why Gotze in one season created more, assisted more and scored more than Hazard in his entire career
ANY TAKERS?

Because he's plying his trade in a phucking league where the winner is decided before winter.

raumdeuter:
With right guidance Hazard can be a world beater or he can match RIbery, Right now he is light yrs away from Ribery. If you need a player to deliver TODAY without considering the future Its Ribery over Hazard 100 out of 100 times

Just as Bale/Reus cant replace Ronaldo now But MIGHT be able to in some yrs down the line, Same with Hazard to Ribery

In other words, you've been arguing in vain for nothing?

Roy Keane talks too much

elampiro:
* Ronaldo regressed in 2009. He wasn't EPL best player that season. You cannot know better than the professionals who are involved.

how did ronaldo regress? he started the season with an injury - he had an operation after euro 2008 & he delivered the premier league on a platter of gold. he took united to another champions league final - when the chips were down.

a good header against inter at old trafford, a good goal(goal of the competition nominee) at porto, a brace at the emirates to take us to the final. in the league, had ferguson not taken him off in some of the games, he woulda won the golden boot again.

so tell me - what did giggs do this season to win the PFA player gong? apart from the game against chelsea at old trafford where we beat beat them 3-0, giggs was anonymous that season. the media engineered his sympathy vote knowing it would be a disgrace of a player who has played for 18 seasons had not won the PFA gong.

* You told us Young was better than Di Maria because Young was shining in the preseason. In fact you stated you didn't want Di Maria because he would add nothing to the team. You said it so emphatically. Young and Di Maria are not in the same league even if Young hits form 300%.

yes, i said spending that huge money on di maria was insane & we should have spent it on areas where we were deficient. remember as at then, we had not bought blind & rojo. they were not even on the radar, the rumour of di maria came from nowhere & you wanted us to get him and leave the defence & midfield unattended.

* Silva has 5 turnovers, 18 dispossed, got dribbled 20 times. Total negative activities = 43.
Hazard has 10 turnovrs, 13 dispossed, got dribbled 4 times. Total negative activities = 27.

you are a quack statistician!
is this how OPTA analyse statistics. do you know how many of hazard's turnover led into the opponent scoring a goal? where was silva dribbled? did he offer himself to be dribbled to buy time for his covering teammates? you cannot nitpick stats in isolation & add them together.

silva rapës hazard again for the 3rd consecutive season.

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AirborneLacer:
Because he's plying his trade in a phucking league where the winner is decided before winter.

You want to disgrace yourself here once again

STats below are from CL which by your lack of logic is determined before winter

We have shown that Gotze in one single season of CL has done more than Hazard total appearance in the tournamenet ever since

Now have another stab at it. This time thinking critically

Nihilist:
In other words, you've been arguing in vain for nothing?

Seems comprehension is an issue for Chelsea fans

The point is CURRENTLY Ribery is better than Hazard.

In the future with proper guidance, diet, coaching, mentoring, workout, lifestyle and whatever Hazard MIGHT be equal to Ribery

SailorXY:
ronaldo
messi
bale
james
di maria
robben
ibrahimovic
reus
neymar
suarez
muller
neuer
vidal
kompany
aguero
toure
hummels
ribery
silva
fabregas
goetze
thiago silva
mascherano
etc etc in no particular order!

this is just narrowed down to recent form... their undoubted quality aside
tell me who Hazard can displace on this list

And you know this how?

Which criterion are you working with? Current form, stats, wage, physique, age etc?

I want to know where you're coming from, b'cos you don't just wake up to put up list of players who're gracing your Fantasy Manager team and expect us to believe you.

raumdeuter:
Either comprehension is your problem or just logic.

A player has the potential to replace does not mean he is currently better.

Stop forcing yourself to sound intelligent. You wanted scarface out of your team with immediate effect due to his supposedly shitty form. Are you now telling us that you wanted an "inferior" hazard to replace him with more shittiness just because he has potential?

Am using Mobile so I can't post some proper screen shots of Squakwa stats
Why don't you guys check out the Stats of both Hazard and Gotze at Squakwa.
And see what d numbers say

raumdeuter:
You want to disgrace yourself here once again

STats below are from CL which by your lack of logic is determined before winter

We have shown that Gotze in one single season of CL has done more than Hazard total appearance in the tournamenet ever since

Now have another stab at it. This time thinking critically

Take a closer look at the question you asked earlier and tell me how that has to do with the UCL alone.

''No one here has still told us why Gotze in one season created more, assisted more and scored more than Hazard in his entire career''

Even the smartest of logicians would come to a conclusion that you're refering to both the league run and every other tournament Gotze featured in.

Make sense.

raumdeuter:
You want to disgrace yourself here once again

STats below are from CL which by your lack of logic is determined before winter

We have shown that Gotze in one single season of CL has done more than Hazard total appearance in the tournamenet ever since

Now have another stab at it. This time thinking critically

We're talking about Current form not the UCL why don't you guys head over to Squakwa and Check their current statics and don't let him cherry pick the stats.

Dadehmola:
Stop forcing yourself to sound intelligent. You wanted scarface out of your team with immediate effect due to his supposedly shitty form. Are you now telling us that you wanted an "inferior" hazard to replace him with more shittiness just because he has potential?

Just remain in your ignorance. No use trying to force you out of your comfort zone.

I saw that Hazard has potential, plays for a coach who wouldnt maximize his attacking POTENTIAL

Saw that we had a player who is starting to decline, Logic and common sense would want Hazard to come right now and grow up in the correct system where his POTENTIAL can be used instead of waiting till he is 25 when he might already be a waste due to bad coaching

But in your own upside-down thinking that means Hazard is already better than Ribery?

Luke Shaw was bought to replace Evra. I would bet that based on CURRENT play Evra is still better than Shaw, If there is a Man Utd vs Bayern game today, Most managers would use Evra over Shaw.
But sensible management dictates that you buy the long term replacement and bed him early enough for long term gains

I guess all this is beyond your intelligence quotient

coogar:
how did ronaldo regress? he started the season with an injury - he had an operation after euro 2008 & he delivered the premier league on a platter of gold. he took united to another champions league final - when the chips were down.

a good header against inter at old trafford, a good goal(goal of the competition nominee) at porto, a brace at the emirates to take us to the final. in the league, had ferguson not taken him off in some of the games, he woulda won the golden boot again.

so tell me - what did giggs do this season to win the PFA player gong? apart from the game against chelsea at old trafford where we beat beat them 3-0, giggs was anonymous that season. the media engineered his sympathy vote knowing it would be a disgrace of a player who has played for 18 seasons had not won the PFA gong.

Ronaldo injured, Ronaldi this Ronaldo that. Go and fight the professional players for voting Giggs. If Media engineered his sympathy votes, how come Hazard who was unknown got voted over Silva who was already established? Was Silva not supposed to have been better known? Mind you, Hazard was voted not once but twice- two seasons. Haba!

coogar:
yes, i said spending that huge money on di maria was insane & we should have spent it on areas where we were deficient. remember as at then, we had not bought blind & rojo. they were not even on the radar, the rumour of di maria came from nowhere & you wanted us to get him and leave the defence & midfield unattended.

What did I tell you then? I told you that Di Maria's purchase was independent of getting Vidal or any other player for that matter. I told you we would buy Di Maria and still comfortably buy Vidal and others. But you wrote something ridiculous and emphatically so, that Young was greater.

coogar:
you are a quack statistician!
is this how OPTA analyse statistics. do you know how many of hazard's turnover led into the opponent scoring a goal? where was silva dribbled? did he offer himself to be dribbled to buy time for his covering teammates? you cannot nitpick stats in isolation & add them together.

This has got to be the most nonsense post on nairaland this football season. I will take this that you have accepted defeat. You posted like someone who has never used stat. If Hazard committed any such errors, it would reflect in his ratings. Fot the fact that Hazard is rated higher than Silva shows Silva was the one who probably had errors leading to a goal or losing possession in crucial areas. The most important thing, though is that Hazard got the higher overall score.

SIRcumalot:
We're talking about Current form not the UCL why don't you guys head over to Squakwa and Check their current statics and don't let him cherry pick the stats.

so we should ignore their previous seasons & focus on a new season that's yet to play 20 league games? the class size is too small to reach any meaningful deduction.

if we go by current stats of the current season, diame, victor moses and danny welbeck are all better than rooney.

AirborneLacer:
Take a closer look at the question you asked earlier and tell me how that has to do with the UCL alone.

''No one here has still told us why Gotze in one season created more, assisted more and scored more than Hazard in his entire career''

Even the smartest of logicians would come to a conclusion that you're refering to both the league run and every other tournament Gotze featured in.

Make sense.

The smartest Logician would at the minimum check what I post read carefully and understand

raumdeuter:
Using Champions league alone so you wont tell us Bundesliga is weaker
Gotze has outscored, Out-assisted and out-created Hazard
or should we use world cup?
We are not even using league now so you wont tell us one league is more difficult
So come up with the next excuse!!

I posted the part in bold yet some logician would say otherwise

I would think the first lesson in logic is to compare two items when they are in the same field e.g CL or World cup. Not leagues which are different from the other. Ask your logician if you can compare which id bigger 13 or "Q" and he would tell you that logic dictates you compare like items

raumdeuter:
Seems comprehension is an issue for Chelsea fans

The point is CURRENTLY Ribery is better than Hazard.

In the future with proper guidance, diet, coaching, mentoring, workout, lifestyle and whatever Hazard MIGHT be equal to Ribery

It seems that you have Apollo in that your only eye.

The original argument between me and leggo was that Hazard could realistically attain and surpass Ribery's achievements in the game.

If you have any post claiming that Hazard was better than Ribery better bring it out now...

elampiro:
Ronaldo injured, Ronaldi this Ronaldo that. Go and fight the professional players for voting Giggs. If Media engineered his sympathy votes, how come Hazard who was unknown got voted over Silva who was already established? Was Silva not supposed to have been better known? Mind you, Hazard was voted not once but twice- two seasons. Haba!

because the media love hazard more than silva -duh! how did bale get a sympathy vote over nani in 2011? how did rooney steal votes over drogba in 2010? rooney won nothing - drogba won the league & the golden boot but it was rooney who got voted in by the PFA.

like i told you, it's a sympathy vote!

What did I tell you then? I told you that Di Maria's purchase was independent of getting Vidal or any other player for that matter. I told you we would buy Di Maria and stillcomfortably buy Vidal and pthers. But you wrote something ridiculous and emphatically so, that Young was greater.

where's vidal now?
you said we would buy vidal - so where is he? why are we still leaking goals in the back? you don't have an answer....

This has got to be the most nonsense post on nairaland this football season. I will take this that you have accepted defeat. You posted like someone who has never used stat. If Hazard committed any such errors, it would reflect in his ratings. Fot the fact that Hazard is rated higher than Silva shows Silva was the one who probably had errors leading to a goal or losing possession in crucial areas. The most important thing, though is that Hazard got the higher overall score.

you better look up & see their statistical comparison on a site that plots per minute. david silva is sòdomising hazard again for the 3rd season running in spite of the fact that chelsea are having an excellent season & city have lost games already this season.

statistics never lie - silva is more successful with his dribbling, he wins more tackles, he creates more chances, he makes more key passes. who would a manager choose between the two? of course - it's silva.......if hazard isn't careful, he would end up to become another rooney.

raumdeuter:
The smartest Logician would at the minimum check what I post read carefully and understand



I posted the part in bold yet some logician would say otherwise

I would think the first lesson in logic is to compare two items when they are in the same field e.g CL or World cup. Not leagues which are different from the other. Ask your logician if you can compare which id bigger 13 or "Q" and he would tell you that logic dictates you compare like items

Mr man, I was replying based on your last post, which was bereft of the main point you presented.

You could have easily explained that you were refering to the UCL run alone.

coogar:
so we should ignore their previous seasons & focus on a new season that's yet to play 20 league games? the class size is too small to reach any meaningful deduction.

if we go by current stats of the current season, diame, victor moses and danny welbeck are all better than rooney.

I agree.
Even going by last Season Hazard
Was better than Gotze.

SIRcumalot:
I agree.
Even going by last Season Hazard
Was better than Gotze.

in champions league or domestic league?

See free for all. This reminds me of Royal Rumble, anybody fit troway anybody.......i no know which one to follow sef. Hazard vs Silva or Hazard vs Ribery or Hazard vs Gotze or .................. Di Maria vs Young(yeye dey smell).

coogar:
because the media love hazard more than silva -duh! how did bale get a sympathy vote over nani in 2011? how did rooney steal votes over drogba in 2010? rooney won nothing - drogba won the league & the golden boot but it was rooney who got voted in by the PFA.

like i told you, it's a sympathy vote!



where's vidal now?
you said we would buy vidal - so where is he? why are we still leaking goals in the back? you don't have an answer....



you better look up & see their statistical comparison on a site that plots per minute. david silva is sòdomising hazard again for the 3rd season running in spite of the fact that chelsea are having an excellent season & city have lost games already this season.

statistics never lie - silva is more successful with his dribbling, he wins more tackles, he creates more chances, he makes more key passes. who would a manager choose between the two? of course - it's silva.......if hazard isn't careful, he would end up to become another rooney.

You have resorted to theory now. lol

One more killer to end the argument: There is nothing to check about minutes played. Both guys have the same number of minutes this season. And Hazard murders Silva, even though Silva sometimes play as a number 10.

Roy Keane has revealed the details of his explosive departure from Manchester United in 2005, claiming a training ground bust-up with Sir Alex Ferguson and his assistant Carlos Queiroz made his Old Trafford exit inevitable.
The former midfielder also detailed an incident where he head-butted Peter Schmeichel, leaving the goalkeeper with a black eye.
Keane, in his new autobiography, ‘The Second Half’ explains that a fierce falling out on a pre-season training camp on the Algarve proved the final straw.
"He (Queiroz) was just on my right shoulder; how I didn’t f*cking hit him again – I was thinking, The villa in Portugal, not treating me well in training – and he just used the word “loyalty” to me,
“I said, ‘Don’t you f*cking talk to me about loyalty, Carlos. You left this club after 12 months a few years ago for the Real Madrid job. Don’t you dare question my loyalty. I had opportunities to go to Juventus and Bayern Munich. And while we’re at it we spoke about training downstairs. And were just on about mixing things up in training a bit.
Keane continued: “I said to Ferguson, ‘Can I play for somebody else?’ And he said, ‘Yeah you can, cos we’re tearing up your contract’ So I thought, All right – I’ll get fixed up. I knew there’d be clubs in for me when the news got out. I said, ‘Yeah – I think we have come to the end.’ I just thought, ‘Fucking prick’ – and I stood up and went ‘Yeah. I’m off.”
Keane’s bust-up with Schmeichel came much earlier in his Manchester United career, on their pre-season tour to Asia in 1998, with the midfielder adding: “I had a bust-up with Peter when we were on a pre-season tour of Asia, in 1998, just after I came back from my cruciate injury. I think we were in Hong Kong. There was drink involved.
“He said, ‘I’ve had enough of you, It’s time we sorted this out.’ So I said ‘Okay’ and we had a fight. It felt like 10 minutes. There was a lot of noise – Peter’s a big lad.
“I woke up the next morning. I kind of vaguely remembered the fight. My hand was really sore and one of my fingers was bent backwards.
“The manager had a go at us as we were getting on the bus, and people were going on about a fight in the hotel the night before. It started coming back to me - the fight between me and Peter.
“In the meantime, Nicky Butt had been filling me in on what had happened the night before. Butty had refereed the fight. Anyway, Peter had grabbed me, I’d head-butted him - we’d been fighting for ages.
“At the press conference, Peter took his sunglasses off. He had a black eye. The questions came at him ‘Peter, what happened to your eye?’”
[Source: Guardian, Roy Keane: The second half]