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JayKayMaybachz:
If they like.... I careless, All want him do is beast our defense for us...

Dadehmola:
I pray he continues to get snubbed by the selecào.
The last thing I want to hear is " Rafael ruled out for _ weeks after picking up a _ injury in a friendly match for Brazil.

elampiro:
Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal, center, reacts during the English Premier League soccer match between Leicester City and Manchester United at King Power Stadium, in Leicester, England, Sunday, Sept. 21, 2014. (AP Photo/Rui Vieira)
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It was so bad so teyyyy Val kon be coachi

elampiro:
I nullfied all your useless stats already.

Most importantly, official records show Hazard has been better since he came. Professionals have spoken. whoscored has spoken.

This is why Hazard is at least 50 million in the market.

coogar:
this is why you should never take whoscored seriously....this was their 13/14 stats, another evidence that PFA award is sometimes a popularity contest.

https://eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Hazard.png

https://eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Silva.png

this is why silva is the grandfather of hazard.

Nihilist:
What exactly does your chart prove?

coogar:
it proves silva is infinitely more creative than hazard can ever be. all the facts are there. silva is even more successful with his dribbling than hazard.

silva is quicker to create chances than hazard - silva is more likely to put a team-mate one on one with a goalkeeper than hazard. silva's crosses are more accurate than hazard's.

the statistics throw more light to their respective football intelligence. if silva is einstein, hazard would be your physics teacher in ikire(osun state).

coogar:
it proves silva is infinitely more creative than hazard can ever be. all the facts are there. silva is even more successful with his dribbling than hazard.

silva is quicker to create chances than hazard - silva is more likely to put a team-mate one on one with a goalkeeper than hazard. silva's crosses are more accurate than hazard's.

the statistics throw more light to their respective football intelligence. if silva is einstein, hazard would be your physics teacher in ikire(osun state).

Nihilist:
From your charts, it's obvious that Hazard attempted and completed almost three times the number of dribbles that Silva did

Hazard also created 90 chances from open play as opposed to Silva's 68. Of Silva's 86 total chances created, a whopping 18 came from set pieces....18!!! Compare that to Hazard who only had 2 of his total of 92 coming from awoof freekicks(To use your own terms against you)

When you consider that Hazard was aiming balls at that useless profligacy personifying Torres unlike Silva supplying Yaya Toure and Aguero who only need half a chance, it tells you who the real daddy is from a statistical perspective.....

Obviously in real life, they are two completely different players with different roles for their sides, so it's impractical to compare them holistically.

However, based on the statistics that you have provided, I think it's fair to say that Hazard murdered Silva. I also note that you haven't included goal stats...Where are the goals stats na?

coogar:
this is why you should never take whoscored seriously....this was their 13/14 stats, another evidence that PFA award is sometimes a popularity contest.

https://eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Hazard.png

https://eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Silva.png

this is why silva is the grandfather of hazard.

Nihilist:
What exactly does your chart prove?

dopeJemi:
It shouldn't even be a debate, you don't need stats to tell you the bolded, its just too obvious

elampiro:
* That stat is screwed by the fact that Chelsea played more on the counter last season and didn't have good strikers as well. Swap the style of play and the strikers of the two clubs, Hazard will shitt on Silva. Take Eto and Torres to City and bring Aguero, Dzeko and Toure to Chelsea. You see the fire power.

* Silva played the number 10 in at least 8 matches from his few appearances whereas Hazard played in the wing almostt 100%.

elampiro:
2012/2013
Dzeko 14 goals, Aguero 12 goals, Tevez 11 goals.
Tores 8 goals, Ba 2 goals, Sturridge 1 goal.

2013/2014
Aguero 17 goals, Dzeko 16 goals, Negrdo 9
Samuel Eto 9 goals, Ba 5 goals, Torres 5 goals.

The difference in the stats is the fire power of the strikers.

Imagine if Chelsea had Costa since. Let's say Costa, Rooney/Tevez and Hernadez. And they play free football, not parking of bus.

elampiro:
* Shirley07, the above came up in the summer and it was established that Suarez played the centre forward 31 times for Liverpool. This was from whoscored.com players' summary at the end of last season.
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For further imformation on Liverpool's formation last season.

* Check whoscored.com Liverpool most used eleven playera, Suarez was in the number 9- as the most used in that position.

* Liverpool used dominantly 4-3-3 last season. With Sterling on the left of the front three, Suarez in the middle as the number 9 and Sturridge on the left.

* 4-3-3 was used 14 times. 4-2-3-1 9times, 4-1-2-1-2 7times. 3-4-1-2 3times, 3-5-2 2times, 4-4-2 2times and 4-3-2-1 1time,
In all of these there was no times Sterling played the number 9 as you claimed. Suarez
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* http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/26/Archive/England-Liverpool

You can verify everthing in the above link. You will even see that contrary to your claim, Sterling never played centre forward.

coogar:
what has counter attack gotta do with the fact that hazard who we were told here last night hug the touchline more made less crosses than silva(who we were told operated centrally)? you people would lie to sway arguments.



this is a lie - silva never played number 10 for city. there was never a time city didn't have 2 fit strikers last season. they interchanged negredo/aguero/dzeko & in the rare cases when they reverted to a lone striker, yaya toure played in the hole.

the stats speak for itself......

hazard - 74 crosses in 2890 mins
silva - 102 crosses in 2162 mins.

and silva played number 10?
elampiro, do you take us for morons here? why is a number 10 making more than 100 crosses in spite of the fact that he played 720 minutes less than hazard?

coogar:
this is another fraudulent deduction.....

the quality of the fire power has nothing to do with the chances created. we are not calculating goal assists, we are calculating passes that led to every shot taken. whether torres/ba scored or missed, it bears no relevance to chance created.

Shirley07:
That should at least shows a lame tactical inept guy like you that Liverpool employs a 2-man striking set-up with Suarez as the SS./quote]

You are the most blinded ignoramus I have come across in Sports session of nairaland. If you don't know and you humble yourself, your blindness can be healed. But now that you claim you proudly glorified your ignoramus, I wondered how thick your darkness is and whether it can ever be healed.

We talk with proofs and not like market women. I have given you proof that Suarez was the arrow head for Liverpool. You are here making tatatatatata. This is not Balogun market.

[quote author=Shirley07 post=26947892]However, the second striking role is not only employed in a 2-man striking set-up. For example, a 4-3-3 setup can utilize a second striking role in a kind of 4-3-1-2 set-up, a variant of 4-3-3.

Shirley07:
Moroever, I didn't say Sterling played as a no 9, I said he and Sturridge played as an inside forwards with Suarez in a withdrawn role behind them in a variant formation of 4-3-3. Something like this: 4-3-1-2.
Back 5;
Allen/Countinho -Gerrard - Henderson;
Suarez;
Sterling - Sturridge.

Shirley07:
According to you, Liverpool deployed a 4-3-3 formation 14 times which is invariably 1/3 of the 38 games Liverpool played last season but I'm also telling you that out of the 14 games Liverpool deployed 4-3-3 set-up, Suarez was mostly deployed behind Sterling and Sturridge in a sort of pseudo striking role, which is equivalent to a second striking role.

elampiro:
It has so much to do with it. If you have a Rooney or Balotelli or Aguero or Dzeco or Tevez who shoots at any given opportunity, you would have more chances created than having a Welbeck or Torres or Eto who want the coast to be very clear before they shoot at goal.

Shirley07:
That should at least shows a lame tactical inept guy like you that Liverpool employs a 2-man striking set-up with Suarez as the SS.

coogar:
you are starting to skip like a faulty CD.
so it's only strikers that are allowed to shoot at chelsea? what about their rampant floating 3 behind the centre foward that shoots at will.

only 3 players had more than 2 shots per game at man city excluding david silva. 5 players had more than 2 shots per game at man city excluding eden hazard. even toure that scored 20 league goals that season averaged only 1.8 shots per game.

that alone tells me creating the chances had nothing to do with the quality of strikers - shots were still taken. statistics revealed chelsea took 693 shots last season to city's 673 shots. so what's your excuse? each of the passes that led to those shots taken is a created chance.

just admit it, hazard is inferior to silva.

elampiro:
Creating the chances has so much to do with the quality of the strikers. The strikers have to have sense of positioning to be able to shoot or head into the net. Where they cannot do that, the midfielders will have to pounce on rebounds from missed oppornunities. That reduces the chances Hazard would have created for his strikers. When th strikers fail to create the chance for themselves, the midfielders stay behind them to shoot from tghe left overs. With that the earlier chances had been cancelled.

elampiro:
You are the most ignoramus I have seen on nairaland sports session. You ignorance will not be healed if you continue to refuse to learn.

This is not Balogun market where you just talk tatatatattataatatata loquaciously without thinking or reasoning and able to give verifiable evidence to back your points.

Nihilist:
Walahi Talahi you dey argue rubbish.

Each one our CL games last season was a battle of attrition. Midfield was weak, Attack was poor.

We couldn't attack with Verve for fear of getting hit on the counter eg the game against Basel.

You want to Compare the Bayern that were arguably the most complete team on the planet?

I suspect God wants to punish you this evening Dayo. The thunder that will fire you is doing press up.

coogar:
time to nail your coffin!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1765909_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

the stats above prove chelsea took more shots than city - which nullified your assertion that chelsea players don't like taking shots.


www.nairaland.com/attachments/1765910_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

this stat proves chelsea & city scored the same number of goals from counter attack which also nullifies your assertion that chelsea particularly play counter-attacking football & didn't get the best out of hazard.

any more excuses??