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elampiro:
* The shots should be able strikers and not midfilders. Again until you narrow it down to how many shots taken when Silver played, it is not even a topic. We have seen that City score and create chances whether Silva played or not. So your argument is flawed.

* City will have more goals from less counter attacks because of their fire power.

These are the reassons whoscored gives you the overall situation and the professionals voted Hazard as the boss of Silva. The same reason Hazard is valued above 50 million pounds.

elampiro:
Before the arrival of Mourinho. This was some Hazard stats under Banitez and Roberto.

Hazard played 2636 minutes.
goals/minutes= 259.
assists/minutes= 339



Silva played 2520 minutes.
mins per goal = 630 mins
mins per assist = 315 mins




This was even with Fernado Torres as the lead striker.

elampiro:
I made a mistake in this calculation ooo. Hazard murdered Silver even in assists. It's 239 mins for Hazard.

* Has anyone noticed Coogar refused to produce the chart fro 2012/2013.

coogar:
my football knowledge is more advanced than analysing assist charts. it's for newbies like yourself. assists largely depend on a team-mate, it's not entirely an individual stat, it's a team stat.

chance created is an individual stat cos no matter what the team mate does with the ball, you still get rewarded for your own part of the action. so keep hugging stats assist.
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coogar:
what's there to talk about 12/13 stat? i produced that already yesterday & hazard was murdered.

coogar:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/1761147_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

silva murdered hazard yet again & this is 12/13 season.

elampiro:
Assist is about quality of delivery while chances created is about how much your strikers can position and shoot at goal.

Produce same chart as you did fo 2013/14. I did not look at that yeye one you produced. It's zero.

elampiro:
Coogar and dodgy stats.
He produced goals from penalty without stating that Hazard won the penalty. Your chart is moronic.

coogar:
this is stüpidity at its sterling quality.
the difference between assist & chance created is if your team mate scores from the pass you delivered.
ozil treaded a good pass to welbeck, welbeck hit the post.
had welbeck scored, ozil woulda gotten the assist. welbeck missed, ozil got his pass recorded as chance created.

how is it ozil's fault that welbeck missed?

this is why assist charts is for amateurs like you.



do you have polio? you cannot use your hands & provide the stats you need?

elampiro:
* The other day RVP passed twice and Herrera shot senselessly from 32 yards twice and you want to say chances created is an important stat. But we all saw when Falcao gave qaulity assist to RVP or when Rooney set up Herrera and Di Maria.

Assists is about quality.

coogar:
hahahaha - so whose business is it that hazard won the pen?
what's the guarantee he would score sef had the ref not blown for pen?

hazard with the worst crossing accuracy? hazard with the worst successful dribbling?
more than 100 dribbles & yet less chances created. silva dribbles less & creates more chances.

shouldn't that even tell you dribbling is overrated?

elampiro:
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coogar:
i am starting to think this shirley07 is a man. where & when did you learn formation & it's variants? are you a PE teacher?

coogar:
https://i.minus.com/ibl5I1y1tHwpu5.gif

i guess this kagawa's pass isn't quality enough then.
that was why smalling missed.

Shirley07:
You said it yourself that Liverpool utilized 4-4-2, 4-1-2-1-2, 3-4-1-2, 3-5-2 formations and this formations employs second striking system. Infact, you dug your hole by yourself or are you telling me Suarez played in a midfield role in a 4-4-2 set-up or wingback in a 3-5-2 set-up? [size=22pt]You're indeed a clueless fool.[/size]

Now back on the 4-3-3 formation, Suarez's always starts his move from a withdrawn role behind Sturridge and Sterling, who cuts in as inside forwards while feeding on passes from the deep, same way Cr7 does at Madrid. Most times, Suarez also finished off move he started himself. And Like I said in one of my previous post, Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling were neither wingers nor no 10s in that set-up, they were all forwards with Suarez in a withdrawn role and let me repeat it to you, second strikers are forwards and are different from no 10.

You know what? You need to start watching more of the game which you obviously do not.

elampiro:
This is CCC. Not a key pass.
2012/13 key passes of Silva are a fraud.

Shirley07:
You said it yourself that Liverpool utilized 4-4-2, 4-1-2-1-2, 3-4-1-2, 3-5-2 formations and this formations employs second striking system. Infact, you dug your hole by yourself or are you telling me Suarez played in a midfield role in a 4-4-2 set-up or wingback in a 3-5-2 set-up? You're indeed a clueless fool.

Now back on the 4-3-3 formation, Suarez's always starts his move from a withdrawn role behind Sturridge and Sterling, who cuts in as inside forwards while feeding on passes from the deep, same way Cr7 does at Madrid. Most times, Suarez also finished off move he started himself. And Like I said in one of my previous post, Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling were neither wingers nor no 10s in that set-up, they were all forwards with Suarez in a withdrawn role and let me repeat it to you, second strikers are forwards and are different from no 10.

You know what? You need to start watching more of the game which you obviously do not.

coogar:
stop talking bullshyte! it's a key pass.
CCC stat is then taken out of all the key passes registered. when did
you start following stats that you are lecturing me about key pass?

mtchewwwwww!!!

elampiro:
Compound fool you are distracting me with your ignoramus posts. Stop disgracing yourself with your quack and mediocre analysis/formations. The systems played by Liverpool were stated match by match by whoscored and summarised seasonal wise. Zonal marking also have their formations.

If you don't understand football, stop your tatafo and olofofo talks.

elampiro:
If a key pass is not a CCC it's useless.

coogar:
it's funny!
see how shirley07 is using your credibility to wipe public toilet
elampawa, the chic is making sense & you are talking crap.



exactly!
another big indictment on hazard. go to the chart again and
see how long it takes hazard to make a CCC.

elampawa just shot himself in the foot!

elampiro:
I saw this article published in February last year.
Final Third Passing in the Premier League
Hazard= 61%
Silva = 45%

With 61.08% of his passes in the defensive zone of his opponents, Eden Hazard leads the league in this respect – as every player to have attempted at least 50% of his passes in the final third combining it with more than 1.5 shot assists per 90 minutes. The latter is a metric in which David Silva has a clear lead – averaging 4.10 shot assists per 90 minutes – more than a key pass per 90 more than any other player to have averaged at least 15 final third passes per 90 and met the minutes played minimum.

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Another reason backing Silva as just a benefiary of the City system. The team is built to passing the ball around so many times with many touches such that Silva accumulates lots of passes. unlike Chelsea which just burst forward through Hazard dribbling his way to the opponents area via counter.

elampiro:
Sirley is not making anysense at all. I gave her facts. She is making a noise without backing them up. If she is making sense then why do you want to buy her fight?

* Your CHART FOR 2012/13 IS NOT AVAILABLE AND YOU ARE SHOUTING CCC?

Shirley07:
You said it yourself that Liverpool utilized 4-4-2, 4-1-2-1-2, 3-4-1-2, 3-5-2 formations and this formations employs second striking system. Infact, you dug your hole by yourself or are you telling me Suarez played in a midfield role in a 4-4-2 set-up or wingback in a 3-5-2 set-up? You're indeed a clueless fool.

Now back on the 4-3-3 formation, Suarez's always starts his move from a withdrawn role behind Sturridge and Sterling, who cuts in as inside forwards while feeding on passes from the deep, same way Cr7 does at Madrid. Most times, Suarez also finished off move he started himself. And Like I said in one of my previous post, Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling were neither wingers nor no 10s in that set-up, they were all forwards with Suarez in a withdrawn role and let me repeat it to you, second strikers are forwards and are different from no 10.

You know what? You need to start watching more of the game which you obviously do not.

SailorXY:
ok i think this debate really doesn't concern this thread cuz non of Manchester United's players are even involved. the few Rent Boys that 'chooked' their mouth has since returned to their rented apartment

so.... errrm.... wetin still dey cause fight here sef

coogar:
she's making sense but i would leave you guys to it. so far she's made a strong point than an SS is different from an AM. when she finishes beating you to a pulp, i would come & rescue you.



it's available & silva still trumps hazard.

like i told you, i am so advanced in stats analysis these days that assists are no longer relevant in the things i consider when comparing creative players.

silva made more key passes per minute than hazard in 12/13. if he cops less assists than him, it then means city's strikers were profligate in front of goal. it's an easy deduction, no abracadabra.

elampiro:
* She is not making sense because Liverpool did not play a second striker last season. They played Sturridge in the left flank, Suarez in the middle and Sterling on the rightm in 4-3-3.

* In othe formations both wre strikers and Sterling played behind, Suarez still played as the lead striker. It's also captured by zonalmarking

* You are yet to bring your chart of 2012/13, Any way, preofessional footballers and whoscored gave us the answer.