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coogar:
elampawa getting battered left & right.

see how he's changed mouth now in his last comment that formation is fluid & forward players can float anywhere around the opponents box & do damage.......which was contrary to what he was claiming before with hazard & silva argument.

elampawa - lying to the public since 1865.

coogar:
you are a pathological liar!
i remember having this argument & suarez himself said sturridge is the main striker. suarez drops deep & dribbles his way to the front. sturridge stays on the shoulder of the last defender all the time.



that argument is over - you lost woefully.
every assertion you brought up as defence was torn apart into shreds. your knowledge base in statistics is the size of a mustard seed. mine is the size of canada.

elampiro:
My statement about Liverpool forward is the same from my post months back unto this very one. Nothing has changed. I backed them up with corroboration charts from zonal marking and whoscored.

So I dont get what you mean. Suarez was the lead striker.

elampiro:
Your argument dead the moment I showed the world the interview you relied on given by Suarez at the beginning of the season when he just came from injury.
Rooney was our striker some weeks back. IS HE THE STRIKER NOW?
The corroboration of my position by whoscored and ZM put the final nail in your argument. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN?

elampiro:
Compound fool you are distracting me with your 'ignoramus' posts. Stop disgracing yourself with your quack and mediocre analysis/formations. The systems played by Liverpool were stated match by match by whoscored and summarised seasonal wise. Zonal marking also have their formations.

If you don't understand football, stop your tatafo and olofofo talks.

chrisley024:
@elampiro, between Silva and Hazard who will u choose?

coogar:
suarez wasn't the lead striker - lead strikers don't leave their position as arrow head. suarez was floating - matter of fact, at a point brendan rodgers described the two as 9.1/2 forwards. they interchanged & dovetailed each other effectively.

the chic is correct, you are wrong!



what has that gotta do with anything? rooney was whose striker? when?? did i not show you enough games as the season progressed when suarez was stationed wide for sturridge?

chrisley024:
Na this simple question brought all these.

Well, as for me, I'll choose Silva over and over again. The guy is the heartbeat of City and a beauty to watch.

Hazard can win all the award for all I care.

elampiro:
What did you show? Whoscored captured how many times Suarez played in the wing and how many times in centre forward. How many times he played as lone striker. Zonal marking told us same thing. whoscored still have match by match charts for the whole season.

If someone was a centre forward in 31 matches out of 38, even though he missed some due to suspension, what else are you talking about? When they used lone striker he was the one.

coogar:
this elampawa is an illiterate.
starting line up has no bearing on what happens during the game otherwise defenders won't be scoring at all. to bust your bubble completely, i would show you again why i am intellectually superior than you when analysing football.

that's the break down of all suarez's stats last season. pay attention to where he was receiving the passes & getting the shots off.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1766405_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

the second chart below is his combination with sturridge. where in that reading did it say suarez was always ahead of sturridge? we are talking action on the pitch, you are talking about starting line-up. how many of your idiötic whoscored charts have shown up yaya toure playing from the hole?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1766404_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

elampiro, you got a lot to learn.
i will let shirley07 finish you off completely from this point. you don't always know when to back off in an argument where your arms are short.

elampiro:
This tells nothing.

Put Rooney from the number 9 you will get same result. More activities outside the box.

coogar:
was that the reason rooney had only 3 assists in an entire season in 2009/10? was that why rooney had only 4 assists in 2011/12?

elampawa, shooting his own foot since 1865

elampiro:
City remains the same without him.

EPL professionals knew the better player.

elampiro:
Is it only assist in that chart? Moreover, Rooney didnt play top in 2011/12. Welbeck and Chicha played top while Rooney was behind them. Again I have settled this before with evidence/charts. Another evidence was Rooney's goals from distance as compared to other strikers who played top 9.

This doesnt even have nothing to do with you stats you posted up here. These are meaningless to the topic.

chrisley024:
Oh really?! And he's a starter. Either you know more than City managers or you don't watch City games.

elampiro:
Let me be civil with you.

If you start Rooney as a number 9 what do you get? Rooney played 9 against West Ham but Mata was mostly ahead of him on the pitch. In another match, Rooney initiated amove from our own box, but was on hand to finish in the opponent's box in the counter attack. I told you from the start that Suarez drops deep. It doesnt mean he is not the lead striker, it's just that he is not an hyena. I told you this before.

You need to understand football.

coogar:
more stupïdity flowing out of your oesophagus.....

rooney was the lead striker in 11/12 - he bagged 27 goals & 4 assists in an entire season. rooney won't play from a withdrawn position & cop only 4 assists....you yourself know that is acute dementia if you trumpet that line.

in 09/10, rooney bagged 26 goals & 3 assists in an entire season. a similar stat to 11/12 which suggests he was in a similar position like 11/12. if we ignore assist stats, those 2 seasons were the only time in rooney's career where he failed to record more than 2 key passes per game.

elampawa, it's another bodybag for you for the 10th time today. call your wife to boil some water & buy some aboniki balm for your backbone. the number of times i have taken you apart today must be a record.

elampawa, who's your daddy?

elampiro:
I watch the games. He is a beneficiary of the City set up. When he doesn't play and Aguero or Nasri is used as the number 10, or a different system entiry, City remains City in terms of goals, attacking threats, chances created etc.

I know he is a good player. But the City set up helps him so much. But I prefer Hazard. It's not a coincidence that players voted Hazrad twice and that Madrid want him.

elampiro:
Rooney was behind Chicharito and Welbeck. Chicha alone played 14 games or so. Or are you trying to say Chicha was our number 10? Welbeck too was in front of Rooney. I have produced charts to back all these up.

The reason Rooney's assists went down was that we attacked through the wings. All our wingers were very active and super good that season. We relied on crosses for our goals. Rooney gets the ball and makes a diagonal pass to the sing and then he runs to the box area.

Shirley07:
That's why I said Mata is more of a SS than AM. Mata moving forward doesn't change the fact that Rooney is a forward with Mata behind him.
No doubt, Mata starts his move from a withdrawn role, same way Suarez started his move behind Sterling and Sturridge who were more of inside forwards.

And what brought the argument is you saying Rooney is the best SS in the history of Epl. That aside, only Rooney and Aguero were mentioned by you not until I asked about Suarez.
Let me also repeat it to you that SS is more of a glorified False 9 because they offers the same thing. For example, Ibra plays as a false 9 for Psg but in a withdrawn role behind Cavani and co who are inside forwards. Infact, in the match Cavani had a stinker, the coach said he shouldn't be blamed because there was no Ibra to supply him passes, same way Messi has been playing in a withdrawn role behind Neymar and Munir or even Rooney behind Falcao and Rvp. Don't get it twisted, they are all forwards not midfielders!

SIRcumalot:
lets put this argument to bed,
I retract my statement,
have pretty much exhausted my plan searching for stats that put Hazard before Silva,
I could say Silva was a better team but this is an individual comparison.
Silva was the better player last season.
we'll see how this season goes.

elampiro:
I watch the games. He is a beneficiary of the City set up. When he doesn't play and Aguero or Nasri is used as the number 10, or a different system entiry, City remains City in terms of goals, attacking threats, chances created etc.

I know he is a good player. But the City set up helps him so much. But I prefer Hazard. It's not a coincidence that players voted Hazrad twice and that Madrid want him.

coogar:
this is the most stûpid excuse ever....
so chelsea aren't chelsea if hazard is absent? man utd aren't man utd if rooney is absent?

hazard missed 3 games last season & chelsea took plenty of shots, created plenty of chances & even took 3 points at anfield. your excuses are very lame.

nihilist - your spokesman even abandoned you cos he musta realised you are just talking out of your arsë anyways. if chelsea system doesn't benefit hazard, he should go to stoke fc.



so is falcao our number 10 or RVP our number 10 now? where did you learn that 2 strikers can't play alongside each other? who was in the hole in city's last game? aguero or dzeko. united played 4-4-2 in 11/12 season



so if we attacked through the wings, what was rooney doing in the hole(like you suggested) or are you too daft to comprehend your written? if we relied on wing play it then means the wingers were the creators & rooney was a strike partner with one of chicha & welbeck. fergie wouldn't put rooney in the hole & let the play bypass him. he was our best player as at then.

end of duscussion!

chrisley024:
Well, I've seen you have nothing else to say except set up, vote and move to Madrid.

elampiro:
* nihilist was never my spokesman. We have been on this for the third day now and nihilist only posted twice.

The moment I showed that Silva played the number 10, your argument was ended. I also showed that Hazard won on goals and assists and you refused to produce your similar chart of 2012/13.

* RVP and Falcao are both centre forwards just as RVP and Robben. But RVP is the lead striker.

Just as between RVP and Robben, it was evident that Chicha was the box striker while Rooney was the hunter who played behind.

chrisley024:
Well, I've seen you have nothing else to say except set up, vote and move to Madrid.

coogar:
rooney is also better than messi.
it's the set up at barcelona that is helping messi. messi have xavi & neymar to help him out while rooney has valencia & young.

elampiro's logic is peerless.

SIRcumalot:
lets put this argument to bed,
I retract my statement,
have pretty much exhausted my plan searching for stats that put Hazard before Silva,
I could say Silva was a better team but this is an individual comparison.
Silva was the better player last season.
we'll see how this season goes.

elampiro:
What about goals?
What about the fact that Silva played some matches as the number 10?

elampiro:
You are the most ignoramus I have seen on nairaland sports session. You ignorance will not be healed if you continue to refuse to learn.

This is not Balogun market where you. just talk [size=20pt]tatatatattataatatata[/size] loquaciously without thinking or reasoning and able to give verifiable evidence to back your points.

chrisley024:
elampiro you've been betrayed amidst the battle.

elampiro:
This is getting too long. I will soon log out to go do other things. I watched many Liverpool matches last season and I know what I am talking about. Suarez operated as Rooney would do when he plays top 9. If you play Rooney as top 9, he would start his move behind JS Park and Giggs or behind Mata and Young.

Now sef, I don't know if your argument is that Suarez played as an SS or as a winger.

But don't you use whoscored.com? They have post match formation. You can compare the result with zonal marking to know which player was used as the number 9. There are ways to verify these things.