Toto.

MissTeaseMe:
Why we dont ask why
Simple

FEAR!

Church teaches, that without faith no one can please God. Right?

Truth is without fear there wont be religion. YES.

We avoid a lot of reasonable questions we shld be asking God or his reps (pastors, imams and the rest), but we dont because we are afraid of questioning God.

I take a serious look at my life all the fasting and prayers. Then when good things happen i credit it to God. For real has he done anything for me or i am just carried away in the euphoria of religion around me that credits all good things to God?

I recall praying for a friend with kidney failure all night. We were 3. We stayed up all night praying, yet the young lad died. I can go on and on with examples.

In the second video, a derailed train was mentioned, 17 people died and on little baby boy survived. Christains started celebrating the miracle of the baby that survived and pushed back the fact that 17 souls were lost.

*where the 17 dead worthless? (Tot God is love)
*you know of that 17 dead were bread winners whose family will suffer from their deaths.

This happens today in many churches where people come to give testimony and say they survived an accident that claimed many lives. So selfish!

I will be back to say more.

My dear, life is structured in a way that an unfavourable condition to someone offers a favourable condition to another person.
When people die, while the families of the dead are at serious loss, the casket dealers, the mortuary owners and their workers, the ambulances etc are favoured.

When people fall sick or have accidents, the hospital workers, the drug manufacturers and the drug sellers are favoured.
When someone's car spoils, the mechanic, the spare part dealer, the tow van owner(as the case may be) are all favoured.
When you lose in a job interview, someone else is favoured. etc.
On and on it goes and that is how each an everyone of us benefit in life.

Will you then exempt the man who runs a supermarket or the one who sells tings in the market etc? No. they also benefit from these people who are their customers. I mean he cant say he wont sell his goods to a doctor or a casket dealer etc because they made money out of people's misfortune.

Coming to the issue of christians thanking God when something goes well with them i will say that we are not even doing it the way the bible instructed us. The bible actually said we should give thanks in EVERYTHING. Both in good and bad things that happens to us. Its our selfishness that makes us do it one sided.

If i may look at it based on the examples i ve given above on how we all benefit in life i will say that when something bad happens to you and you give thanks, it means you are thanking God for the other person somewhere whom your misfortune has favoured and thats selflessness which is the life God wants us to live. (This is just my own view pls). For example if you go for a job interview and you lose it, someone else will surely get it. The thanks you are giving means you are appreciating the fact that the other person got the job and this is an act of selflessness. Jesus lived a selfless life and wants us to live that way. This leads us back to- love your neighbour as yourself. I must admit that its not easy to give thanks in bad times. God help us. Amen.

Life is really complicating....i wish i wasn't created

lmao, the job video is pretty funny though.. just finished watching

Lol. Its like Seun just discovered DarkMatter2525. And he didn't even post the best one: If Man Obeyed God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_a6RjR_AHY

"Eat the f%&king fruit!!!"

Oga seun we no get data to watch!

honourhim:


My dear, life is structured in a way that an unfavourable condition to someone offers a favourable condition to another person.
When people die, while the families of the dead are at serious loss, the casket dealers, the mortuary owners and their workers, the ambulances etc are favoured.

When people fall sick or have accidents, the hospital workers, the drug manufacturers and the drug sellers are favoured.
When someone's car spoils, the mechanic, the spare part dealer, the tow van owner(as the case may be) are all favoured.
When you lose in a job interview, someone else is favoured. etc.
On and on it goes and that is how each an everyone of us benefit in life.

Will you then exempt the man who runs a supermarket or the one who sells tings in the market etc? No. they also benefit from these people who are their customers. I mean he cant say he wont sell his goods to a doctor or a casket dealer etc because they made money out of people's misfortune.

Coming to the issue of christians thanking God when something goes well with them i will say that we are not even doing it the way the bible instructed us. The bible actually said we should give thanks in EVERYTHING. Both in good and bad things that happens to us. Its our selfishness that makes us do it one sided.

If i may look at it based on the examples i ve given above on how we all benefit in life i will say that when something bad happens to you and you give thanks, it means you are thanking God for the other person somewhere whom your misfortune has favoured and thats selflessness which is the life God wants us to live. (This is just my own view pls). For example if you go for a job interview and you lose it, someone else will surely get it. The thanks you are giving means you are appreciating the fact that the other person got the job and this is an act of selflessness. Jesus lived a selfless life and wants us to live that way. This leads us back to- love your neighbour as yourself. I must admit that its not easy to give thanks in bad times. God help us. Amen.

I think u get it twisted in the last part:

Why we must give thanks in everything is because of our shortsightedness. We cant see beyond our noses. If we could see the broader pix, we will give thank in all. Like the interview picture u painted, God may have one way better , so he let u miss d small one. He let some get sacked so they can sit n think out d enterprenuer within them, so many others!

One thing should be clear , it is written: my people r destroyed for lack of knowledge . u r d sole architect of ur life, if evil men could wake early n speak into d night n declare evil, why would Christians sleep tru d night n rush into d day without using words to mold d day in their favour n clear out any evil ?

If God himself could speak forth when faced with darkness challenge, who r u not to speak?

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HARDDON:


I think u get it twisted in the last part:

Why we must give thanks in everything is because of our shortsightedness. We cant see beyond our noses. If we could see the broader pix, we will give thank in all. Like the interview picture u painted, God may have one way better , so he let u miss d small one. He let some get sacked so they can sit n think out d enterprenuer within them, so many others!

One thing should be clear , it is written: my people r destroyed for lack of knowledge . u r d sole architect of ur life, if evil men could wake early n speak into d night n declare evil, why would Christians sleep tru d night n rush into d day without using words to mold d day in their favour n clear out any evil ?

If God himself could speak forth when faced with darkness challenge, who r u not to speak?

Yeah i agree with you but i think the statement "in everything give thanks" is too broad to be narrowed to only what you have said. Limiting it only to what you ve said makes it more of self. I think both your perspective and mine could be part of what makes up that biblical injunction. My opinion.

Seun:

You're not covered. When you die,you may find yourself in the presence of Allah, condemned for worshipping a man (Jesus) as God. You may find yourself in the presence of a God who loves atheists for using their brains and hates religious people. There's no security in fantasy.

Doesnt same apply to you too?

MissTeaseMe:

Seun you MUST watch the movie "Fault In Our Stars".

I can NEVER delete it from my pc. One of the best movies ever (for me). It is not about religion, it is just plain about life. And if you are like me and you question reasons behind events, then you will naturally ask "God why?" Because the tragedy is so real and many are in such situations.

ROMANS 9:

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Wow Seun! I didn't think anything could make this place interesting again. I was really starting to give up. The boredom is killing me. This is actually somewhat interesting.

The fight between "good and evil". Hahaha...always good stuff....

Hmmm...which side is which though?

Oh come on...have some ballz. Front page this puppy.

honourhim:



Yeah i agree with you but i think the statement "in everything give thanks" is too broad to be narrowed to only what you have said. Limiting it only to what you ve said makes it more of self. I think both your perspective and mine could be part of what makes up that biblical injunction. My opinion.

Completely agree. You have both made very valid points and looking at it from both angles actually makes more sense.

But why should **SEUN** [The owner of this whole NAIRALAND]be an atheist&we are namesakes ooo,**OLUWASEUN** for dat matter.I won't say somethings sha cos I know you wayback in OAU ooo

Wow! Is this what i am missing . Why didn't anybody tell me about DarkMatter2525? I like the "How god favors evil" anyway. Funny and enlightening. Well after surfing through their collections i found this interesting video. Nigeria situation is even worst! With two major religions.

Do Atheists Hate God?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wguAQHWVcZY

I've seen the videos and I'm impressed. the devil has found better ways of corrupting naive minds. but who has will against a powerful spirit even older than man and knows all the tricks? better cling unto Jesus Christ the saviour or you'll find how exciting and meaningful hell is.
the tempter has found three planes of deception to man's feeble heart
1. don't believe there is a God
2. believe in the wrong god
3. believe in the right God but the wrong way
now every atheist should know that at the beginning of the universe, time didn't exist because it was part of the 10 dimensions(9 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions ) that resulted from the collision of matter and antimatter. we are aware of 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions but others are interwoven and unknown. within the limits of human knowledge God and other supernatural beings exist. I've experienced this with concrete evidence and I hope you'll do too when you let Him in

Proffdada:
I've seen the videos and I'm impressed. the devil has found better ways of corrupting naive minds. but who has will against a powerful spirit even older than man and knows all the tricks? better cling unto Jesus Christ the saviour or you'll find how exciting and meaningful hell is.
the tempter has found three planes of deception to man's feeble heart
1. don't believe there is a God
2. believe in the wrong god
3. believe in the right God but the wrong way
now every atheist should know that at the beginning of the universe, time didn't exist because it was part of the 10 dimensions(9 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions ) that resulted from the collision of matter and antimatter. we are aware of 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions but others are interwoven and unknown. within the limits of human knowledge God and other supernatural beings exist. I've experienced this with concrete evidence and I hope you'll do too when you let Him in

Huh? You need to watch the videos again. I think the first is specially made for you . You can learn something from the second also although atheists on Nairaland have long been emphasizing on those points.

Idrismusty97:
Huh? You need to watch the videos again. I think the first is specially made for you . You can learn something from the second also although atheists on Nairaland have long been emphasizing on those points.

yeah I learnt how shallow the mind of an atheist is

Proffdada:

yeah I learnt how shallow the mind of an atheist is

and yet you are the one who believes in talking donkeys

Proffdada:
I've seen the videos and I'm impressed. the devil has found better ways of corrupting naive minds. but who has will against a powerful spirit even older than man and knows all the tricks? better cling unto Jesus Christ the saviour or you'll find how exciting and meaningful hell is.
the tempter has found three planes of deception to man's feeble heart
1. don't believe there is a God
2. believe in the wrong god
3. believe in the right God but the wrong way
now every atheist should know that at the beginning of the universe, time didn't exist because it was part of the 10 dimensions(9 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions ) that resulted from the collision of matter and antimatter. we are aware of 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions but others are interwoven and unknown. within the limits of human knowledge God and other supernatural beings exist. I've experienced this with concrete evidence and I hope you'll do too when you let Him in

or rather you place "god" in the gaps of human knowledge just like a primitive will say back in 3000 B.C.E that thunder being a limit of human knowledge then....housed "gods"
and please do enlighten us of how you know there are 10 dimensions...and you claim you have concrete evidence of this all...yet you speak of "experiences"....

davien:
and yet you are the one who believes in talking donkeys

there is a difference between believing and knowing. I know there's a Supreme Entity called God which mere mortals try to disprove to justify their disbelief. this God has power over all dimensions and can alter anyone of them just to satisfy those who call on Him

davien:
or rather you place "god" in the gaps of human knowledge just like a primitive will say back in 3000 B.C.E that thunder being a limit of human knowledge then....housed "gods"
and please do enlighten us of how you know there are 10 dimensions...and you claim you have concrete evidence of this all...yet you speak of "experiences"....

I've given you one and only way to know this : accept Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour and the rest will be unveiled. you will begin to see and not believe

Proffdada:
there is a difference between believing and knowing. I know there's a Supreme Entity called God which mere mortals try to disprove to justify their disbelief. this God has power over all dimensions and can alter anyone of them just to satisfy those who call on Him

interesting....you know your "god" exists? can you prove it? and point of correction proffdada....atheists do not need to justify disbeliefs....because the said belief from the start of theists is unjustified...do you justify that which is unjustified from the start? .......
Let me ask you a question.....when you know something is true and need to educate others on it....do you teach or dogmatically burn that knowledge into the person you are addressing?..if you know your "god" claim is true...why were you indoctrinated to believe?

Proffdada:

I've given you one and only way to know this : accept Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour and the rest will be unveiled. you will begin to see and not believe

I honestly do not know what you mean by the above paradox statement....
what I will say however is how fiendish your belief is.....if I already accept a claim as true.....won't I already follow suit to proclaim it true(belief)....
why is this claim not taken on its own merits but rather needs to be instilled into ones mind without question?
If you ever attended a school....were lessons instilled on your mind without question and did you attempt to verify the lessons taught with practical applications?.....If so,why does your "god" claim skip the basics of learning...?

"POWER CORRUPTS"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA5PlJiqOnk

toluxa1:


ROMANS 9:

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Hahahahahaha

Very funny, that prooves nothing. It only shows that those who are representing god are very intelligent people. Written an elaborate expose to make sure that believers dont question god.

Kudos to paul! Lol

davien:
interesting....you know your "god" exists? can you prove it? and point of correction proffdada....atheists do not need to justify disbeliefs....because the said belief from the start of theists is unjustified...do you justify that which is unjustified from the start? .......
Let me ask you a question.....when you know something is true and need to educate others on it....do you teach or dogmatically burn that knowledge into the person you are addressing?..if you know your "god" claim is true...why were you indoctrinated to believe?

I thought I drew a line between belief and knowledge.

Seun:
The Book of Job


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVgZqnsytJI


Disclaimer: I didn't make these videos, and I didn't write the text above.

Deuteronomy 29:29

davien:
I honestly do not know what you mean by the above paradox statement....
what I will say however is how fiendish your belief is.....if I already accept a claim as true.....won't I already follow suit to proclaim it true(belief)....
why is this claim not taken on its own merits but rather needs to be instilled into ones mind without question?
If you ever attended a school....were lessons instilled on your mind without question and did you attempt to verify the lessons taught with practical applications?.....If so,why does your "god" claim skip the basics of learning...?

it has nothing to do with beliefs but knowing God truly exists. evidences as simple as grand design to complexity of consciousness are enough to tell you there's no need for anyone to instill lessons into mind. imagine if there's no God? all the laws of physics or mathematical fundamentals will always be subjected to randomized results.
moreover won't you jump classes you already know the lessons? if you can understand quantum physics just by reading the bible will you still disprove the possibilities of the events in the bible and treat them as fairy tales?

Proffdada:

I thought I drew a line between belief and knowledge.

Bro you get time o. Leave them to believe what they want. Wherever their belief ends them they face it.

Just preach the word and keep moving. They won't see what you are seeing except they stand where you stand.

Timzy234:
Deuteronomy 29:29

"The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law."

In other words, the bible says that anything in the bible that doesn't make sense doesn't make sense because it's not supposed to make sense, so you should just ignore those things and focus on doing the things that the bible says you should do. Don't you think that's a lousy argument?Suppose you're a student and your teacher says something that makes no sense. Would you accept it just because he said he's always right?