CoCoLav:
Interesting arguments. Been following this GMB vs GEJ stuff for a while and all I know is that each side has been spinning their own lies.

Those niggars are lying machines.

Yo!, it comes natural.

Every body is clamoring for change, dnt worry. e go do una like film. that was how the iraqis and libyans were shouting about saddam and ghaddafi, now they r saying if only doz leaders had remained. Nigerians will still come bk later and say, oh how i wish say na pdp still dey power. Buhari my foot. He cannot offer anythn to Naija

cellors:


Don't mind that guy. it is not your job to provide him with the figures. it is his job to do that since he wants to dispute your facts

Thanks for coming to my aid !!

APC bootlicker Barcanister you make Me laugh at your ignorance and frustration so you believe that buhari I mean GMB still has anything to offer this country yet you say the youth is the future of this country. Atiku is a better man than Buhari will ever be, in terms of achievements and otherwise. Keep sulking in your pit of ignorance and drown in it

barcanista:
Let's get this cler. You raised issue on key areas....

1. The GDP under GMB, I was vindicated.

2. The inflation rate, Again my submission was vindicated

3. The External Debt: While you agreed that $50Million dollars was actually paid by GMB within few days(which I had hinged on), you went further to prove other debts persisted.. RIGHT.

4. The Refinery: This is where we are having an argument. I insist that GMB signed the contrct and supervised its implementation in its capacity as NNPC Chairman. The Warri Refinery website didn't disprove it. So also experts opinion. I stand by this. Thank God Obj is alive.

5. The Budget Issue which you brought frm SR:There was a great improvement in the budget balance and reduction in budget deficit during his time.
BUHARI BUDGET BALANCE:
Inherited a Budget Balance of N3.364.5 million.
His 1984 Budget Balance was: N2.6 Million, achiving a -21% Growth http://chituaeconomist..nl/2010/01/budget-deficit-and-macroeconomic.html?m=1

However, Jonathan's budget deficit is at 1% of our entire GDP= $5 billion

Conclusion:
You were wrong on 2 ITEMS, Right on external debt and WRONG on the Refinery fact twist.

Gosh!!! You must be a clown. Have followed the debate of both of you and found you totally subjective. Do u think Nigerian youths are daft? Why twist facts that are verifiable to embarrass your party? While am not against GMB, am repulsive to your unconvincing lies used to justify his candidacy.

BrosPeter:
OP datolee:
Very nice of you to disprove all the lies of this barcanista guy.

I think APC should withdraw their funding of barcanista, the money paid to the guy is a waste as proven here.

then how will he and cramjones feed?

Well isn't it Hayyy pee ceeee (APC) and their demonic agents of lies and destruction caught pants down again!! Expecting more propaganda busters to keep exposing all their lies and flasehood against the nigerian State. Never in my life have I seen such a bunch of desperate loosers doing every thing possible not minding the repercautions to steal power by all means even unto death and destruction. Change comes from the collective responsibility of the citizens and does not lay soley on one man as you guys potray Buhari to be the savior! Bullcrap! We shall Contiunue to resist every lame attempt of the apc and their likes to pull down the nigerian state through the enlightenment of truth and facts.

aljharem:
Lol do people still take them serious ? They lie, use propaganda and violence to win elections.

The thing tire me. But I trust Nigerians, we are all aware that Buhari and his apc are mere talkatives. No normal individual will take that man, Buhari and his apc serious just that they are very good in insulting, fabricating stories against pdp.

barcanista:
Thankfully, we agree on the GDP Turn Around and others.



Here is a Video clip from ITN News Network, After Buhari Paid Nigeria's $50 million external debt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15xapP50Sf0?version=3
http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1984/01/03/AS030184006/?s=nigeria&st=2&pn=96&sortBy=date 3rd January, 1984

However, from the DMO record, it showed that there were other debts profile. (Honestly, I usually search foreign sources than our government source, because of their inconsistencies)


Buhari Did!!!

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/IgboWorldForum/conversations/topics/122024
http://www.nnpcgroup.com/nnpcbusiness/subsidiaries/wrpc.aspx




I am happy that we have no issues apart from one or two areas regarding the debt relief

M on sick bed, bt I never feel alone with people of intellect like you...God Bless Nairalanders and Naija @large

datolee:


I wouldn't want us to start arguing back and forth. Now when you play the video you posted, please skip to 2:44 - 2:56 I quote " The main worry for western financiers now is Nigeria's $15 billion worth of external debt, so today's prompt payment of $50 million dollars in rescheduled interest has pleased the city and helped the new regime economic prospect"

How is payment of rescheduled interest equivalent to payment and clearing of Nigeria's external debt and making us debt free country? The video agreed with my statement that Buhari did not make Nigeria a debt free country.. as a mater of fact, he left more debt than he met. (I will explain the reason for the payment of interest on external debt by Buhari administration later)

I wonder what is the most reliable source, you or Debt Management Office and CBN annual report.

As per the refineries, You failed to provide us evidence that the two refineries were initiated by GMB. I don't take yahoo group as a valid reference, from the NNPC website you posted, the only date there is 1978 when the refinery was commissioned! I will repeat again

The decision to construct the third Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) refinery in Kaduna was taken in 1974 along with that of the second NNPC refinery located at Warri

Buhari was never in the picture when the decision to build those two refineries was taken. It is like saying, because the the Kaduna refinery was commissioned in 1980, it was initiated by Shagari.

Oh boy , barcanista, na die you dey so oh, datolee dey really fire you

Hmmm....


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abdulabbakar:


M on sick bed, bt I never feel alone with people of intellect like you...God Bless Nairalanders and Naija @large

Thank you and get well soon.

God bless you

Alenkakent:
OP is so stewpid and blinded by hatred for APC and buhari...
He's quoting DMO and CBN under the same administration he's supporting... What does he expect? Okonjo iweala and the head of DMO will definately release a financial report that suits the govt in power of course...
As far as I'm concerned, the only relaible source to clarify this issue of debt is the foreigners we are indebted to... And that has been cleared on the yahoo grp page...
OP is a retard

thanks you said it all... I just checked were the op was copying all his pdp lies from, kinda disappointed though with the op.

barcanista:

That has always been my position. And you never disputed it.

2. The -ve Budget deficit is a GROWTH!!!!

@ detolee

3. The Refinery, it is funny that you avoided the link on Warri ®efinery.
2 questÍons:
Únder whose regime was the coÑtract Signed?
Who signed it?

1. I think you keep recycling things, I will repeat, when you talk of GDP by PPP, you are right.. however, that is not the only measure of GDP, because based on per capita, it went down during Buhari regime. I have no problem agreeing with you and that was stated in my first write up.

2. You still have not answered the question, did Buhari operate a budget deficit or surplus?

3. What is more funny is that you read from the link, yet refuse to understand the content of the link, I will provide two link on the NNPC website

a. http://www.nnpcgroup.com/NNPCBusiness/Subsidiaries/WRPC.aspx Here what is written is that the refinery was commissioned in 1978, no mention of when the contract was signed.. Please we can invite people to look it up

b. http://www.nnpcgroup.com/NNPCBusiness/Subsidiaries/KRPC.aspx Here it is stated that the decision to build both Kaduna and warri refineries was taken in 1974. While work started on Warri, that of Kaduna was delayed until such a time when there is oil crisis. This happened in 1975. Buhari was the head of NNPC in 1977, so tell me how he initiated the decision in 1974.

APC warriors would have made in-roads into ppls hearts if the presented a person seen to be neutral in his ethnic-religious stance, there is no amount of evidence u give a nigerian who does not like a buhari they would neva vote for him. Wen u look at site like shahara reporters it has a 70 percent population of nothern youths, come 2015 see buhari fail woefully.

I simply cannot get the delusion that makes people like the Op want to engage in e-war all the time. Jonathan is the best abi? A prayer was said for the supporters of GEJ yesterday and of all the raving crowd of GEJ supprters, only one said 'Amen' with conditions.
If you are doing your job, I would excuse you but if you are so paranoid as to be fixated on a sustenance of misrule, ineptitude and corruption, then you need redemption!

Buhari and his supporters are very economical with the truth. He was and is a bad economic manager that prefers chasing shadows rather than solve problems. He initiated the Ghana must go program as he felt that they were the cause of the economic problem of the era. He is overtly vindictive and recalcitrant. He was unhappy with the status of the FCT Abuja that he had to build a presidential lodge in his hometown thinking he will rule forever.

APC, PDP. Hmmm... well, their is hope for the Nation.
Invest little time into knowing your own history, black men once ruled the world. Awesome discovery, click this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/1983011/history-when-black-men-ruled

nigerianvenom:


no,u are wrong on this.buhari has a lot to offer.
1. he'll ensure sharia is implemented across nigeria.
2.he'll ensure his boys(boko haram) ends their operation.
3 he'll ensure there is no freedom of information and journalist will be guage and jail at will.
4 nigeria's capital will be moved to daura(his home town).
5 he'll do more...

but all these will happen on his dreams

when u expect someone who is educated reason this way I begin to wonder if there is hope for this nation,gej as a command in all armed forces see himself as a victim instead as a forces what do you expect,let me tell u even if Allah comes down from heaven he can't ismalized Nigeria, the fact is gej has fail in all aspect to improve average Nigerians, voting in for next year and continue in this clueelessness for another four yr Nigeria may never recover from it,or better still he should divide the country into its four geographical region and let everybody faces his destiny cos Nigerian can never be one,APC,PDP are bunches of fools,so unless u are assliker like reno and okupe never fight for anyone ofvthem but gej to continue in the next four year it will definitely affect u one way or the other my cent.

look, OP you are overlabouring yourself, the mere fact that APC is made of old and desperate politicians who decamped from one party for selfish purposes then turn and talk ill of the same party shows that the union has no noble intention from inception. any other presented fact is an icing on the cake.

Mr. buharis desperate schemes to rule by all means thereby marketing himself as a corrupt free person from a moral highground which caused him to goof by claiming that he borrowed money to by nomination form while he cruises around in bullet proof cars is another matter for another day.

InglishTeechar:


God purnish you in pidgin english...waka.

As usual, anything against your principal is always a problem to you guys. Resorting to insult shows the exact way you were brought up. Keep wallowing in your self importance. All the best.

datolee:


I wouldn't want us to start arguing back and forth. Now when you play the video you posted, please skip to 2:44 - 2:56 I quote " The main worry for western financiers now is Nigeria's $15 billion worth of external debt, so today's prompt payment of $50 million dollars in rescheduled interest has pleased the city and helped the new regime economic prospect"

How is payment of rescheduled interest equivalent to payment and clearing of Nigeria's external debt and making us debt free country? The video agreed with my statement that Buhari did not make Nigeria a debt free country.. as a mater of fact, he left more debt than he met. (I will explain the reason for the payment of interest on external debt by Buhari administration later)

I wonder what is the most reliable source, you or Debt Management Office and CBN annual report.

As per the refineries, You failed to provide us evidence that the two refineries were initiated by GMB. I don't take yahoo group as a valid reference, from the NNPC website you posted, the only date there is 1978 when the refinery was commissioned! I will repeat again

The decision to construct the third Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) refinery in Kaduna was taken in 1974 along with that of the second NNPC refinery located at Warri

Buhari was never in the picture when the decision to build those two refineries was taken. It is like saying, because the the Kaduna refinery was commissioned in 1980, it was initiated by Shagari.

bros, I like d way u present ur arguments with FACTS unlike Barcanista, d guy is just contradicting himself. How can some one pay 50M dollars out of 15B dollars and a sane person will say he cleared d debt?, whereas Buhari left more debts dan he met

We agree on the GDP per capita based on PPP and inflatIon. Thanks for that of the debt

First, I never said GMB operated surplus budget, except when you uplifted it fromm SR. Anyway, from my research, the Budget deficit under GMB was reuced by 21%, which implies 21% Growth in 1984. You should rather spell this out than shouting deficit deficit like it detoriated under him.

3.On Refinery.....
- they had the idea b4 GMB came to power in NNPC of building refinery

- It took a Buhari to implement the Idea and Signed the contract for both refineries under the leadership of Obj.

One Question:
Who built it? Who Signed it?

Omexonomy:
then how will he and cramjones feed?

Feeding could be a problem once the allowance is withdrawn.....

coldFLARES1:
I simply cannot get the delusion that makes people like the Op want to engage in e-war all the time. Jonathan is the best abi? A prayer was said for the supporters of GEJ yesterday and of all the raving crowd of GEJ supprters, only one said 'Amen' with conditions.
If you are doing your job, I would excuse you but if you are so paranoid as to be fixated on a sustenance of misrule, ineptitude and corruption, then you need redemption!

Thank you o jare. Its a sad case

Even if buhari is corrupt,he can never be as corrupt as these current bunch of PDP.
February 14 2015 ~No love~

bayulll01:

when u expect someone who is educated reason this way I begin to wonder if there is hope for this nation,gej as a command in all armed forces see himself as a victim instead as a forces what do you expect,let me tell u even if Allah comes down from heaven he can't ismalized Nigeria, the fact is gej has fail in all aspect to improve average Nigerians, voting in for next year and continue in this clueelessness for another four yr Nigeria may never recover from it,or better still he should divide the country into its four geographical region and let everybody faces his destiny cos Nigerian can never be one,APC,PDP are bunches of fools,so unless u are assliker like reno and okupe never fight for anyone ofvthem but gej to continue in the next four year it will definitely affect u one way or the other my cent.

Perhaps if this power thirsty extremist and political harlot under the guise of APC will stop the propaganda and lies and allow Jonathan to focus the next 4years will b a memorable one for Nigerians...

lacasa:
Yawns!!!!


Op, na only u waka come.



There are those that believe that there is no God and yes! It's an opinion I guess.


So, enjoy ur two minutes fame, it's still BUHARI to Salvage wat Jonathief and his herd of militants and sycophants av feasted upon n devoured in the Nigerian state.

LOSER,u APC dogs have just been A$s whooped by an intelligent Nairalander that had ur time.
Ride on @OP