kastonkastrol:
thanks you said it all... I just checked were the op was copying all his pdp lies from, kinda disappointed though with the op.

barcanista:
Unfortunately, I couldn't find a material to detail the Month by Month inflation rate as at 1985. However, we have to note that GMB was in Power for 8months during that 1985, while IBB was in government for 4 Months.
Analyse IBB's economic programs and that of GMB's economic programs. Even his concept was termed Buharinomic by expÉrts. It will amount to Ínjustice to attribute the 1985 success to IBB.

yungprof09:
my friend you are indeed a bias bootlicker of GEJ for posting what you have absolutely no knowledge of..it is indeed very worrisome that jonathan supporters will go any lenght to propagate rubbish lyk this...BUHARI WILL WIN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION OF 2015 with a landslide..am sure of that.

datolee:


1. -

2. If you read what i posted there, I made mention of the author of the article, I didn't include you. The author clearly made a bold statement that Buhari operated a budget surplus, you supported it in you subsequent reply with a link that he indeed operated a budget surplus.

The question for you is this, having gone through your research, do you still think that Buhari operated a budget surplus as stated in SR?
If he didn't operate budget surplus, why lie? The author should have said that reduced the deficit instead of the outright lies

3. So you agree now that the idea to build the two refineries predated Buhari as head of NNPC? if you agree with this, then we will move on to the next.

Warri refinery was started even before Buhari came on board, One question you have refused to answer.. how possible is it to initiate, design and build a refinery within 1 year (1977 to 1978)?

Who signed the contract is subjective, since we do not have the contract document, I cannot tell you the name of the person who signed on-behalf of Nigerian government.

Please, easy on my friend Bacarnista, I presume after he has seen the truth he is contemplating dumping the fruitless tree of APC and join the winning team.

If you over-dent his image, we may not enjoy his benefit when he finally defect. Please, take it cool with him.. I beg.

He is consulting already…

Thank you.

Candyrain:
I have always said that I'm not a fan of Jonathan but people should stop portraying Buhari as the messiah without flaws. Give me another candidate other than Buhari, Atiku and I'll vote for APC but if not GEJ till 2019. Thanks

datolee:


You got it all wrong.. the figure i quoted wasn't reserve.. it was total debt at the end of Shagari Administration which you claimed that Buhari cleared with few days. Nothing in my write up made mention of reserve so I don't know where you go it from. I repeat, read properly, nobody ever made mention of reserve.

The two key question for you are

1. Did Buhari, as you said, cleared Nigeria debt within few day of coming to power? do you you still stand by that after reading the link to the debt management office?

2. Do you still stand by your "fact" that Buhari initiated the construction of Warri and Kaduna refineries after reading the extract fron NNPC website?

You are an intelligent guy and I expect a good reference from you

(Regarding no 3 and 4, I only highlighted them to show that Buhari wasn't the Messiah who saved the economy from total collapse.. other than that, I had no further argument)

The lubricating oil complex of Kaduna Refinery is the first of its kind in West Africa and one of the largest in Africa. The consulting firm, KING WILKINSON of Hague, Holland, in conjunction with NNPC engineers, developed the plan for the refinery. The contract for construction was awarded to CHIYODA CHEMICAL ENGINEERING & CONSTR/UCTION COMPANY OF YOKOHAMA, Japan in 1977.

datolee:


1. -

2. If you read what i posted there, I made mention of the author of the article, I didn't include you. The author clearly made a bold statement that Buhari operated a budget surplus, you supported it in you subsequent reply with a link that he indeed operated a budget surplus.

The question for you is this, having gone through your research, do you still think that Buhari operated a budget surplus as stated in SR?
If he didn't operate budget surplus, why lie? The author should have said that reduced the deficit instead of the outright lies

3. So you agree now that the idea to build the two refineries predated Buhari as head of NNPC? if you agree with this, then we will move on to the next.

Warri refinery was started even before Buhari came on board, One question you have refused to answer.. how possible is it to initiate, design and build a refinery within 1 year (1977 to 1978)?

Who signed the contract is subjective, since we do not have the contract document, I cannot tell you the name of the person who signed on-behalf of Nigerian government.

cellors:


A$s whooped with a concorted lies from govt websites? who dem for support? Herbert Macaulay?

barcanista:
You explained nothing only giving bogus statement. Anyway, I I am doing a research on the actual debt acquired(If any) or otherwise by GMB's regime as at 1984 December and August 1985


Unfortunately, government agencies have the reputation of cooking figures to suit the person in Power. Iwaela comes to mind. Hence, I check and cross-check with reputable foreign sources, especially on issues like this. Anyway, the $50 million dollar external debt Paid by GMB's Administration was the ONLY one I came across after so many search on materials that was available as at that time. If I had got a hint of the inherited billions, I would have included it. Like I said, I am doing a research on the actual debt acquired(If any) or otherwise by GMB's regime as at 1984 December and August 1985



We are again going back and forth. Unfortunately, you didn't open that Yahoo link, if you did, you would have seen input of El Rufai(Before he became a Progressive) and Joe Odumakin, President of Campaign for democracy.

Did you read the link I provided to you? Ofcourse, you did but won't admit.




PS: Whenever, I am debating/arguing I am not doing it to win or lose but to present logical and verifiable argument and also to learn from the other party.

Aksonman:


LOSER,u APC dogs have just been A$s whooped by an intelligent Nairalander that had ur time.
Ride on @OP

bayulll01:
oga I respect u a lot stop defending indefendable gej will always face critics as worst as obasanjo tenure is,we can point out what he did when he was in power,I was very young during obj tenure and I saw what he did,even while most of his critics are from his own people,he made sure Nigeria clear all his debt,he at least brought the atm,gsm improvement in Nigeria foreign reserved was close to 42billion then,even we all know how Efcc was effective even when people says he used it for political gain,at least some people was sent to jail,Nigerians are so spoilt we Dont need someone of gej not now maybe in nearest future,a man that can do tangible thing in 6yrs cannot do anything if given 10yrs,go and ask Obama what he faces everyday

Opiosko:
APC is a political fraud. It's time we let them alone wallowing in their lies and self deception.

barcanista:
Let's get this cler. You raised issue on key areas....

1. The GDP under GMB, I was vindicated.

2. The inflation rate, Again my submission was vindicated

3. The External Debt: While you agreed that $50Million dollars was actually paid by GMB within few days(which I had hinged on), you went further to prove other debts persisted.. RIGHT.

4. The Refinery: This is where we are having an argument. I insist that GMB signed the contrct and supervised its implementation in its capacity as NNPC Chairman. The Warri Refinery website didn't disprove it. So also experts opinion. I stand by this. Thank God Obj is alive.

5. The Budget Issue which you brought frm SR:There was a great improvement in the budget balance and reduction in budget deficit during his time.
BUHARI BUDGET BALANCE:
Inherited a Budget Balance of N3.364.5 million.
His 1984 Budget Balance was: N2.6 Million, achiving a -21% Growth http://chituaeconomist..nl/2010/01/budget-deficit-and-macroeconomic.html?m=1

However, Jonathan's budget deficit is at 1% of our entire GDP= $5 billion

Conclusion:
You were wrong on 2 ITEMS, Right on external debt and WRONG on the Refinery fact twist.

jamace:
OP, thank you for putting the records straight. This bacanista of a guy wants to balkanise Nigeria with ferocious lies and he will never succeed.

fydence:
you're right about this bro...it has never bn on the internet

Aksonman:


U dey crase...these information from goverment websites are over 40 year old data, shey na GEJ write am put?

komek:

Buhari is not the saviour we are expecting pls.

datolee:
Lets examine another lies from Buhari supporters on economy, this time by Ola Idowu http://saharareporters.com/2014/10/23/if-buhari-easy-defeat-why-fear-ola%E2%80%99-idowu

Quoting 6 paragraphs before the end of his If Buhari was easy to defeat, why the fear? essay



1. If Buhari paid off $4 billion of or foreign debt, how come the debt was higher than it was when he left office?

2. Shagari didn't borrow $15 billion, it was total debt before he left office, meaning, his borrowing plus the borrowing of previous government

3. It is on record that Shagari government refused to follow the IMF guidelines, including devaluation of Naira, the same thing Buhari supporter is using to hype him up

4. The inflation of 40% happened in 1984, that is during Buhari administration

5. Another big lie of the century, Nigeria never, and I repeat, Never operated budget surplus under Buhari!! The only times Nigeria had budget surplus were in 1971, 1972, 1995 and 1996. How these people can look people in their face and tell blatant lies just to sell their candidate is alarming. Nigeria's deficit under Buhari stood at N3.3 billion in 1983, N2.6 billion in 1983 and N3 billion in 1985

http://www.ejbss.com/Data/Sites/1/vol2no12march2014/ejbss-1358-14-empiricalinvestigationbetweenbudgetdeficit.pdf page 134

http://www.academia.edu/222415/NIGERIAN_BUDGETING_PROCESS_AND_THE_MAGNITUDE_OF_BUDGET_VARIANCES page 13

mikeansy:


If APC gets anywhere near government Nigeria is in trouble

OLADD:
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Not entirely surprising. That's the stock-in-trade of APC and their deceitful supporters.

Firefire:



“7 things negative people (Like APC in Nigeria) will do to you. They will...

1. Demean your value;

2. Destroy your image

3. Drive you crazily!

4. Dispose your dreams!

5. Discredit your imagination!

6. Defame your abilities and

7. Disbelieve your opinions!

Nigerians should Stay away from negative people!”

Nigerians should Stay away from APC, they are malicious

barcanista:
This is not a battle of reputation(I don't see it so), it is about putting facts on ground(of course based on information at ones disposal)

barcanista:
Who Signed THE Contract For The Refinery?
General Muhammadu Buhari did

http://www.nnpcgroup.com/nnpcbusiness/subsidiaries/krpc.aspx

As NNPC Chairman, He was the man that Initiated and signed the construction contract of the existing Warri and Kaduna refineries

OLADD:
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Such is the assembly of Angry People Congress. May God deliver us.

Gabbysky:
I have said it times without numbers that anyone taking these apc guys seriously is just wasting his time. Please give them the "Jonathan Treatment" and bone them all. Place them on permanent ignore mode.
They are all liars just like their chief-liar spokesman.
This is a PARTY OF THE FRAUDULENT, BY THE FRAUDULENT, FOR THE FRAUDULENT (ask Tinubu is you have the time to)
Janjaweedians

GEJ TILL 2019