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AllNaijaBlogger:
1) we are both Christians and we shouldn't lie about our religion. Faith has its limits. You cannot use religion to decide on stem cell research or public policy, for instance.

2) Vatican has no standing to condemn her or her actions. She is not a Catholic. She doesn't even believe in their afterlife. If the want to condemn suicide, they can, but to mention her is just wrong.

And catholic doctrine does not equal truth. Even your new pope is remixing the doctrine.

3) many people were wrongly diagnosed. She, on the other hand had an illness that would definitely kill her. Unless you want to dispute her diagnosis.


4) physical pain. Medical diagnosis. Terminal illness. Please note these three things.

If you can't see the difference between a person suffering these 3 things and a person with a simple heartbreak, then there is no need talking to you.

1. I'm not sure we are both Christians. Christians should abhor killing. Faith has no limits. Most of the laws of every country are based on religion.

2. There is nothing wrong in the Vatican mentioning that her action was wrong. Are you a Muslim? Do you believe in '72 virgins for terrorists? Did you never mention that Abubakar Shekau or Bin Laden is doing wrong? You just feel like finding fault with the Vatican.

Catholic doctrine is truth. Prove that the Pope remixed doctrine.

3. The same thing was said of those who recovered. "The illness will definitely kill them." You never know, so why KILL, Mr "christian?"

4. You call it "simple heartbreak" but those who have committed suicide as a result wouldn't describe it that way. They'd see themselves as the most afflicted in the world.

If you can't understand that, there's no need talking to you.

italo:
How is Catholic doctrine not truth?

Who decides what makes a law useful, sensible and/or effective? You?

It's God that made law against suicide, Mr "christian." He said "thou shalt not kill" thy neighbour. God's law is senseless, useless and ineffective?

You are against torture but in favour of killing?

Your pope is flip flopping on doctrine.



Thou shalt not kill. that rule in the bible comes with caveats. People were killed in war in the old testament.

AllNaijaBlogger:
Your pope is flip flopping on doctrine.

No proof

AllNaijaBlogger:
Thou shalt not kill. that rule in the bible comes with caveats. People were killed in war in the old testament.

What are the caveats? Kill one who is suffering seemingly unending pain?

How is Catholic doctrine not truth?

Who decides what makes a law useful, sensible and/or effective? You?

You are against torture but in favour of killing?

italo:
1. I'm not sure we are both Christians. Christians should abhor killing. Faith has no limits. Most of the laws of every country are based on religion.

2. There is nothing wrong in the Vatican mentioning that her action was wrong. Are you a Muslim? Do you believe in '72 virgins for terrorists? Did you never mention that Abubakar Shekau or Bin Laden is doing wrong? You just feel like finding fault with the Vatican.

Catholic doctrine is truth. Prove that the Pope remixed doctrine.

3. The same thing was said of those who recovered. "The illness will definitely kill them." You never know, so why KILL, Mr "christian?"

4. You call it "simple heartbreak" but those who have committed suicide as a result wouldn't describe it that way. They'd see themselves as the most afflicted in the world.

If you can't understand that, there's no need talking to you.

I give up.

italo:
No proof


What are the caveats? Kill one who is suffering seemingly unending pain?

How is Catholic doctrine not truth?

Who decides what makes a law useful, sensible and/or effective? You?

You are against torture but in favour of killing?

Am I on trial? See questions!


I give up ooo

AllNaijaBlogger:
Am I on trial? See questions!


I give up ooo

Give up on what?

AllNaijaBlogger:
Why so emotional?

You are here defending the actions of the Catholic church.

Are you not a Catholic?

I am not here to defend the actions of the Catholic church. I am here stating why I believe Euthanasia is wrong.

italo:
I don't know. It doesn't exist. Period.

So what meaning do you find in the lives of people crippled by incurable diseases, mental or otherwise?

striktlymi:
I am not here to defend the actions of the Catholic church. I am here stating why I believe Euthanasia is wrong.

In as far as you recognize the circumstances within which euthanasia is tolerated. As I asked Italo, what meaning do you find in people disable by incurable diseases?

AllNaijaBlogger:
1) we are both Christians and we shouldn't lie about our religion. Faith has its limits. You cannot use religion to decide on stem cell research or public policy, for instance.

2) Vatican has no standing to condemn her or her actions. She is not a Catholic. She doesn't even believe in their afterlife. If the want to condemn suicide, they can, but to mention her is just wrong.

And catholic doctrine does not equal truth. Even your new pope is remixing the doctrine.

3) many people were wrongly diagnosed. She, on the other hand had an illness that would definitely kill her. Unless you want to dispute her diagnosis.


4) physical pain. Medical diagnosis. Terminal illness. Please note these three things.

If you can't see the difference between a person suffering these 3 things and a person with a simple heartbreak, then there is no need talking to you.

dont trivialize d pain of anoda person.
To them at tht moment it was immeasurable.
"only the heart knows its own pain"

Kay17:
In as far as you recognize the circumstances within which euthanasia is tolerated. As I asked Italo, what meaning do you find in people disable by incurable diseases?

The only meaning suffering holds for me is in the area of spiritual sacrifices and offerings when it is in union with the sacrifice of Jesus. This is both beneficial to the individual and others around him. Apart from this, suffering is meaningless to me.

PS: Euthanasia should not be tolerated, imo.

The same meaning I find in you. We are all children of God, here to know, love, serve him, and be with him in the hereafter.

Kay17:
So what meaning do you find in the lives of people crippled by incurable diseases, mental or otherwise?

asalimpo:
dont trivialize d pain of anoda person.
To them at tht moment it was immeasurable.
"only the heart knows its own pain"

Are you seriously comparing the painful, terminal illness of a patient it the heartbreak of a teenager in a relationship?

How can you compare that to the kind of pain that would drive a teenager in the prime of his life to commit suicide?

Immeasurable pain, I tell ya.

italo:
The same meaning I find in you. We are all children of God, here to know, love, serve him, and be with him in the hereafter.

In that sense, their suffering is justifiable?

Kay17:
In that sense, their suffering is justifiable?

Yes. You think it is not?

italo:
Yes. You think it is not?

i personally don't think it is that why I'm at the other end of the fence.

Of course the only way we humans can tolerate suffering is by finding a meaning within suffering itself. For example the pains of studying deep into the night for exams or exhausting exercises in preparation for a sporting event or body modelling or that of childbirth; but pains/sufferings which naturally no desirable end are meaningless within themselves. For a Catholic, it is probably comforting for you to seek refuge in God but still you can't say God finds pleasure in your pains.

Nonetheless, euthanasia is useful to non Catholics.

Kay17:
i personally don't think it is that why I'm at the other end of the fence.

Of course the only way we humans can tolerate suffering is by finding a meaning within suffering itself. For example the pains of studying deep into the night for exams or exhausting exercises in preparation for a sporting event or body modelling or that of childbirth; but pains/sufferings which naturally no desirable end are meaningless within themselves. For a Catholic, it is probably comforting for you to seek refuge in God but still you can't say God finds pleasure in your pains.

Nonetheless, euthanasia is useful to non Catholics.

For you, life has no meaning...so same goes for suffering.

For Catholics, life has meaning, same goes for suffering.

You will not see the value of human life; we will.

You will not be perturbed by killing the weak, we will reject it.

Suffering is just an excuse for you to kill the infirmed.

In the case of abortion, you have other excuses.

Hitler had other excuses to kill the weak - Jews.

ISIS have other excuses to kill.

italo:
For you, life has no meaning...so same goes for suffering.
For Catholics, life has meaning, same goes for suffering.
You will not see the value of human life; we will.
You will not be perturbed by killing the weak, we will reject it.
Suffering is just an excuse for you to kill the infirmed.
In the case of abortion, you have other excuses.
Hitler had other excuses to kill the weak - Jews.
ISIS have other excuses to kill.

So you equally see human life value as a subjective qualification, right? If you don't think so, then what is the natural purpose for suffering and furthermore the woman's suffering?

Kay17:
But know that you have not explained it yet. So I will be waiting.

i do not dream that you'll understand it.

You may search for redemptive suffering online with ref to the catholic church..