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atbu1983: Hebrew 10. 26 to 27 ESV

For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge
of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a
fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume
the adversaries.

Hebrews 10:26-27 New English Translation (NET Bible)

For if we deliberately keep on sinning after receiving the
knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins is left for
us, but only a certain fearful expectation of judgment and
a fury of fire that will consume God’s enemies .


Hebrews 10:26-27 New Life Version (NLV)
Do Not Fall Back Into Sin
If we keep on sinning because we want to after we have
received and know the truth, there is no gift that will take
away sins then. Instead, we will stand before God and on
that day He will judge us. And the hot fires of hell will burn
up those who work against God.

Hebrews 10:26-27 New King James Version (NKJV)
For if we sin willfully after we have received the
knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice
for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment,
and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

Ukutsgp: those who fail to obey his word. whether in or outside.

Acts 20:32
And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
KJV

Acts 13:43

43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
KJV

atbu1983: 1 Corinthians 5 . 1-13 .New English Translation (NET Bible) as stated below

It is actually reported that sexual immorality exists among
you, the kind of immorality that is not permitted even among
the Gentiles, so that someone is cohabiting with his father’s
wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you have been deeply
sorrowful instead and removed the one who did this from
among you? For even though I am absent physically, I am
present in spirit. And I have already judged the one who did
this, just as though I were present. When you gather
together in the name of our Lord Jesus, and I am with you in
spirit, along with the power of our Lord Jesus, hand this
man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that
his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.
Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little
yeast affects the whole batch of dough? Clean out the old
yeast so that you may be a new batch of dough—you are, in
fact, without yeast. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been
sacrificed. So then, let us celebrate the festival, not with
the old yeast, the yeast of vice and evil, but with the bread
without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.

I wrote you in my letter not to associate with sexually
immoral people. In no way did I mean the immoral people
of this world, or the greedy and swindlers and idolaters,
since you would then have to go out of the world. But
now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who
calls himself a Christian who is sexually immoral, or greedy,
or an idolater, or verbally abusive, or a drunkard, or a
swindler. Do not even eat with such a person. For what
do I have to do with judging those outside? Are you not to
judge those inside? But God will judge those outside.
Remove the evil person from among you.

Short Explanation: In this passage , paul is strictly referring to those who have accepted christ but are still proud of themselves living immoral life. To them he said he has passed Judgement on them already. Paul said pass d person to satan for destruction of his flesh so dat his spirit may be saved of d lord. This means that if d persons love of d flesh is not consciously destroyed the persons spirit will not be save. Note that this person was proud of his immoral life. Which means he was doing it deliberately and as such his spirit will not be save......Lost of Salvation.

Paul even said such persons should b expelled from d gathering of christians. He went further to say we are to Judge fellow christians conduct. The Judgement we judge a fellow christian is to bring to his notice his wrongs so dat he depart from it for his spirit that was save by Blood of jesus to remain save. For d bible said Faith without work is dead

Note: I know those with satanic message can still twist dis passage with logical reasons which Apostle paul never intended when he wrote to d corinthians. We should understand that paul writing is a letter to a gathering of christian in corinthians. which means it is suppose to be easy to understand. He didn't write them to be scrutinising it with plenty logic to justify thier love for things of d flesh.


more bible passages

Matthew 7. 21 to 23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do
many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them,
‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Hebrew 6. 4 to 6
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been
enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in
the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God
and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to
restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once
again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to
contempt.

9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. 10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have showed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. 11 And we desire that every one of you do show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: 12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises. 13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, 14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. 15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. 16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. 17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to show unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: 18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: 19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; 20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
.

Ukutsgp: Many people believe that, when a person
becomes a child of God, afterward it is
impossible for him to so sin as to fall from
grace and be eternally lost.
This doctrine is one of the five major
points of Calvinism. It is often called
"the eternal security of the believer,"
"perseverance of the saints,"
"impossibility of apostasy," or simply
"once saved, always saved."

atbu1983: dis your post is a backing for once saved, forever save. if dat is
true, once I am born again, I don't need to go to church .

atbu1983: Spend
my money on tithe and offering. Stress myself working in d church
4 free. Since my aim of being a christian is to b save. And my
works is not needed. You can't say I rob God 4 not paying tithe as
written in Malachi 3. Since my sins have be paid for I am above sin. so I can't rob God.

Even if I sleep with my neighbours wife and died while having d sex of heart attack, I will still make heaven because d sin has been paid 4 before I committed it since I am born again and saved already. Since I am already born again as stated in 2 corinthians 5. 17, my salvation is bullet proof and air tight. All I need do is to flex enjoy my life till I die. doing whatever pleases me whether bad or good in d eyes of men. But in d eyes of God I am save. I can join cult. use charm. kill who I don't like etc. it is only sin 4 those under d law. now that I under grace and have b save by d blood of Jesus, notin I do can be called sin. since I am now slave to righteousness. Whatever I do is righteous. not because d act was good but because me a righteousness of God did it.

Rom 3:8

8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
KJV

atbu1983: If d gospel of once save forever saved is true,

Heb 7:24-26

24 But He holds His priesthood unchangeably, because He lives on forever.

25 Therefore He is able also to save to the uttermost (completely, perfectly, finally, and for all time and eternity) those who come to God through Him, since He is always living to make petition to God and intercede with Him and intervene for them.

26 [Here is] the High Priest [perfectly adapted] to our needs, as was fitting — holy, blameless, unstained by sin, separated from sinners, and exalted higher than the heavens.
AMP

it means I can
do what I like once I am born again. I can choose to be a killer, I
can choose to save others. I can choose to hate or choose to
love. I can choose to sleep with ur wife and daughters or I can
choose not to. But in either case my heaven is sure and sealed. I
can choose to bomb every body in church on sunday and commit
suicide. No matter what I do, my heaven is sure since I am
already born again b4 I did it.

Whether u call it Christianity,religion, Christ followers, those from zion, Abraham abducted children, relationship or whatever it makes no difference. All that is use of English. .

Since I am forever loved, whether I love back or not is my choice.
what matters is dat my salvation is irreversible no matter what I
do. no matter d atrocity I commit, my heaven is sure because I
was once saved.


As christians, we should be careful how we spread d heresy of
once save always save. Dis interpretation of the gospel of christ is
from satan. satan knowing how much we love dis world, have used
popular charismatic preacher to spread dis false doctrine. it is a
false doctrine gotten from twisting apostle paul messages. Taking
d liberty preached by apostle Paul to a limit he never intended.
because of our greed we will destroy christianity in d long run.
This message will make christianity vain and worthless in d long
wrong. WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH OUR MADNESS. WE
SHOULD STOP TAKING GRACE OF GOD FOR GRANTED!!!!!!

Ukutsgp: and u know d dat the consequence of sin is eternal death(separation from God).

we must work for God. remember, Jesus said 'occupy till i come'. will he find u in ur duty post when he comes?

i must do the work of him that sent me while it is day, the night is coming when no man can work. he has sent us to preach d gospel, heal d sick, bind d broken hearted, raise d dead, bring deliverance to d possessed, set free those that are in prisons, help d orphans and widows like Dorcas, etc.

atbu1983: Every human being will love it if your position of once save forever save is true .

But d fact is that it is not true. it is false Gospel satan had devised to take many to hell. By using charismatic sweet talking preachers to spread it, many will fall for it.

The bible told us that in d last days false teachers will be plenty. people will become lovers of themselves . Many will have itching ears always wanting to hear what is sweet.

The gospel of once save always save is delusional.


It is true as a true believer of Christ God doesn't condemn us to hell immediately when we do wrong or sin. But need to see in us d desire to be free physically from those sin.

Those of us who sin deliberately because grace of God is available will surely lose our salvation if we don't repent.

atbu1983: 1corinthians 9. 24 to 27

24 Don’t you realize that in a race everyone runs, but only
one person gets the prize? So run to win! 25 All athletes are
disciplined in their training. They do it to win a prize that will
fade away, but we do it for an eternal prize. 26 So I run with
purpose in every step. I am not just shadowboxing. 27 I
discipline my body like an athlete, training it to do what it
should. Otherwise, I fear that after preaching to others I myself
might be disqualified.



From dat passage, it means we can lose d prize of eternal life (salvation) if we don't try our best to conquer our flesh. All we need to ask is d grace of God to help our resolve. It is our decision to consciously displine our body, d grace of God only assist us to achieve.

Halleluyah... a lot of people use this to emphasis that its works... well lets see... paul emphasis that righteousness is a gift through grace... so definately he will be stating the obvious that he must run the race of righteousness through grace only and if he should ever be disqualified would be when he fell from grace due to the work of the law...

Gal 5:4-7

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
KJV

2Timithy 4vs 3 is as stated below
For there will be a time when people will not tolerate sound
teaching. Instead, following their own desires, they will
accumulate teachers for themselves, because they have an
insatiable curiosity to hear new things.

Orunto: We all are saved by the Grace of Christ. Once you have that Grace And you strive to retain it, you are saved forever.

But whenever you backslide from the faith, you are doomed. This is the Teaching. It is not a doctrine.

hisblud: what do you understand by this...




Let me give you an analogy, there are 2 flies... butterfly vs housefly,
the butterfly is by nature MADE to fly among sweet smelling roses while the
housefly will be found in ru-bbish and sh-it. Now my question, if the butterfly
falls into rubbi-sh, does its fall into the rubbis-h make it a housefly? Am sure
biologist will shudder if that were to happen... will the butterfly remain in the
sh-it...of course not, it will change its mind [repent] and acknowledge its nature
and fly off to what it always do... among the sweet smelling flowers... .
Now becos the butterfly MAY FALL into the rubbi-sh does that make it to always
WANT to fall into the rub-bish next time?

yet you are spiting grace which teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lust... Bros repent...change your mind!

hisblud: Have you ever heard of "double jeopardy"?




You cannot occupy till He comes because you are upholding the 10 commandments which He nailed to the cross, hence makes you so conscious of sin! And the 10 commandment was written and engraved on stone not some how to slaughter animals.



beautiful, is it because you DID His "work" diligently that the above has occured in your ministry?

5solas: I commend you for this excellent introduction of the matter, this belief is so unpopular these days, but so true..

5solas: I commend you for this excellent introduction of the matter, this belief is so unpopular these days, but so true..

Ukutsgp: pls why the commendation? are not d championing those doctrines since d beginning of this thread?

Many people believe that, when a person
becomes a child of God, afterward it is
impossible for him to so sin as to fall from
grace and be eternally lost.

Orunto: YOU DON'T KNOW GOD!

Ukutsgp: i am only upholding good works after salvation.

Ukutsgp: i am only upholding good works after salvation.

Ukutsgp:
Many people believe that, when a person
becomes a child of God, afterward it is
impossible for him to so sin as to fall from
grace and be eternally lost.
This doctrine is one of the five major
points of Calvinism. It is often called
"the eternal security of the believer,"
"perseverance of the saints,"
"impossibility of apostasy," or simply
"once saved, always saved." Several
major denominations officially believe
the doctrine, though some do not
emphasize it and as a result the
members may not be aware of it.

The Westminster Confession adopted by
most Presbyterian churches, states:
"They whom God hath accepted in his
Beloved, effectually called and sanctified
by his Spirit, can neither totally nor
finally fall away from the state of grace;
but shall certainly persevere therein to
the end, and be eternally saved …
Nevertheless they may, through the
temptations of Satan … fall into grievous
sins…" (Book of Confessions of the United
Presbyterian Church, 1967 Ed., Sec.
6.086-6.088).
The Philadelphia Confession, adopted by
many Baptist churches, is almost
identical to the above.

Ukutsgp:
people can fall back to as when they are yet saved. so why the argument. someone can be saved today and become unsaved tomorrow.

5solas:


Harping on old strings again?
How interesting!

JMAN05:
2 Peter 2:20-22

20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud." NIV

Will they be saved? Was it the action/works of this people that made them loose salvation? Could there works/actions contribute to there not being condemned?

Heb 10:26-29

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? NIV

Will such ones be saved? Did there actions/works affect there fate? If they had refrained from deliberate sin, could it have affected there fate?

5solas:
https://www.nairaland.com/2055387/frosbel-now-atheist/17#29481850

On what basis does one lose salvation. At what point in their lives do there do this? Enlighten me.