And so? If they dont sell you their Hardwares, why not look up to other "powers to recon with" like Russia, China, Japan or Israel. I even heard that Israelis hardwares are on HIGH demand in the world now.

Even if any of these countries failed to supply you, what is DICON doing. Why the creation of that company if not to produce hardwares? Pump money into DICON, let them do researchs and manufacture us Solid and modern Equipments than just pumping money into one useless politics that doesnt benefit an average Nigeria.

SirShymex:


Ignorant soliloquy.

The guy is right thou. The military isn't really a fancy job in japan and they don't have a standing army per say. Japan is an island, therefore they would normally have a large fleet to protect their exclusive economic zone. Do not mistake the numbers for strength. Their offensive capabilities are very limited and most of their tech is American. They have good indigenous defensive capabilities however and since they have a defense pact with the US, they haven't developed their offensive capabilities and rely a lot on the US (7th Fleet in Yokosuka). even most of their fleet have American specs weapons systems

The US want the money to bring soldiers and rent their weapon so that Nigeria will not have access in war. If dey sell weapon to Nigeria maybe one day they can rule the world because Nigeria eyes are too strong dat's why dey refused to sell.but Russian weapon well, we will manage it. Because it stronger than chiko.

vandalZA:
did you visit those weapon factories to see that their manufactured by whites?........or you are trying to tell us that only white south Africans are allowed to take the career to build weapons?.........let me tell you something you don't know, the majority builders of weapons in Denel are south African blacks including Nigerians graduated in south African university on engineering and technology.........stop that old mentality!!!

I think you need to read this:

The Dark Truth About Why South Africa Destroyed Its Nuclear Weapons in 1990

By: Mawuna Remarque KOUTONIN


Why would any country voluntarily dismantle its nuclear weapons which take years and billions to develop?

South Africa is the only country which ever give up its nuclear dissuasion power.

But Why? Did they dismantle the country’s nuclear weapons because they believed in a vision of an Africa free of nuclear weapons, as the press reported?

NO.

The white apartheid regime didn’t want a Black Nation to possess nuclear weapon, a dissuasive power in our contemporary world.

Foreseeing a democratic South Africa where Black people will be in power, the white regime destroyed all the country’s main military facilities, ballistics missiles and dismantling all six complete nuclear weapons shortly after the release of Nelson Mandela from prison in 1990.

South Africa hastily joined the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), and seven weeks later the country signed a Comprehensive Safeguards Agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

According to Greg Mills “South African authorities co-operated fully with the IAEA during the whole verification process, and were commended by the then director-general of the Agency in 1992, Dr. Hans Blix, for providing inspectors with unlimited access and data beyond those required by the Safeguards Agreement“

In less than 3 years all South Africa’s ballistic missiles were scrapped, its six nuclear weapons dismantled, and any remaining missile engines destroyed.

To prevent any future attempt by any upcoming South African administration to empower the country, the apartheid regime enacted the most self-restricting legislation in the form of the “Act on the Non-proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction” that makes provision for a South African Council for Non-proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction to control exports of dual-use materials, equipment and technology.

While South African apartheid leaders’ actions were met with praise by the western medias and leaders, many saw this speedy destruction of all the country main military infrastructures as a sign that the racist apartheid regime and many western countries didn’t want the upcoming Black leaders to inherit such a powerful arsenal.

“The whole thing was dressed up as an honourable retreat from a nuclear Africa” said Frans Cronje, deputy CEO of the South African Institute of Race Relations, a Johannesburg-based think tank.

“A nuclear African state would be taken more seriously and would have a stronger leadership role – it forces people to take you seriously.

In leadership terms, renouncing nuclear weapons does the opposite – it reduces your influence in foreign affairs and international politics.

If renouncing nuclear weapons grows your influence, others would be falling over themselves to surrender their nuclear arsenals.” continued Frans Cronje

While a racist, violent, and brutal oppression white apartheid regime was trusted to have and manage nuclear weapons, a Black and democratically elected regime was not trusted to manage them.

That historic decision was all about racism. Nothing else.

South Africa would today be stronger on the international stage if it had retained a nuclear arsenal.

http://www.siliconafrica.com/the-dark-truth-about-why-south-africa-destroyed-its-nuclear-weapons-in-1990/

Do you think the Europeans are crazy to allow a black nation build up a war machine?
Once you are militarily powerful no-one can push you around, think about what that would mean for the EU/USA who have spent centuries milking Africa.

Missy89:


The guy is right thou. The military isn't really a fancy job in japan and they don't have a standing army per say. Japan is an island, therefore they would normally have a large fleet to protect their exclusive economic zone. Do not mistake the numbers for strength. Their offensive capabilities are very limited and most of their tech is American. They have good indigenous defensive capabilities however and since they have a defense pact with the US, they haven't developed their offensive capabilities and rely a lot on the US (7th Fleet in Yokosuka). even most of their fleet have American specs weapons systems

Utter tosh.

And stop posting vacuous tripe to me. Japan has no military, yet it has the 5th largest military expenditure, the most modern navy in Asia, with most of its hardware being indigenous hardware.

Who cares if it is offensive or defensive? Does it a have a military - yes or no? - yes it does and its military is very capable even without US support. And isn't the Chinese doctrine also a defensive one? So cos of that, according to ya logic, it has no military. I bet Germany also has no military.

cap28:


I think you need to read this:

Do you think the Europeans are crazy to allow a black nation build up a war machine?
Once you are militarily powerful no-one can push you around, think about what that would mean for the EU/USA who have spent centuries milking Africa.

South Africa's military is controlled by the Afrikaans and British South Africans, just as most of their corporations.

cap28:


I think you need to read this:

Do you think the Europeans are crazy to allow a black nation build up a war machine?
Once you are militarily powerful no-one can push you around, think about what that would mean for the EU/USA who have spent centuries milking Africa.

This might be true however being military strong alone as a deterrent against exploitation is a thing of the past.

He who controls the money dictates terms. Ask the Soviets!

Missy89:

This might be true however being military strong alone as a deterrent against exploitation is a thing of the past.
He who controls the money dictates terms. Ask the Soviets!

The Russians have a powerful military which has never been defeated in modern times, that makes a very big difference.

Without an effective military, you are easy prey for any country who fancies their chances with you.

and the US's dollar is falling in value on the international market, BRICS have managed to checkmate the power of the US dollar by coming together to form a powerful economic bloc

SirShymex:


South Africa's military is controlled by the Afrikaans and British South Africans, just as most of their corporations.

Of course.

You find a few of these white south Africans who were in the military during apartheid working as mercenaries all over Africa, a few of them are even involved in overthrowing progressive African leaders in other African countries.

SirShymex:


Utter tosh.

And stop posting vacuous tripe to me. Japan has no military, yet it has the 5th largest military expenditure, the most modern navy in Asia, with most of its hardware being indigenous hardware.

Who cares if it is offensive or defensive? Does it a have a military - yes or no? - yes it does and its military is very capable even without US support. And isn't the Chinese doctrine also a defensive one? So cos of that, according to ya logic, it has no military. I bet Germany also has no military.

You like arguing about the things you know don't really know and you resort to name calling when u are corrected.

You don't even understand the difference between military doctrine (government policy) and capabilities (power or ability). If China has a defensive doctrine does that mean they are incapable of an offensive war? Japan does not have an offensive capabilities without the US. That is a fact. U can learn or keep masking your ignorance.
Japan's self defense force has different structures from the Imperial Japanese armed forces which was a proper military.

cap28:

Of course.

You find a few of these white south Africans who were in the military during apartheid working as mercenaries all over Africa, a few of them are even involved in overthrowing progressive African leaders in other African countries.

Obviously.

Weren't those fvckers the same folks the West used with Savimbi to destroy Angola, before Fidel Castro and Che Guevara had to send the Afro-cubans to get involved in that brutal civil war, that plagued Angola for decades, and the war that led of the destruction of the apartheid regime?

They fought in Sierra Leone as well, during that war. But it was on government's side. Though grossly inefficient.

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Missy89:



You like arguing about the things you know don't really know and you resort to name calling when u are corrected.

You don't even understand the difference between military doctrine (government policy) and capabilities (power or ability). If China has a defensive doctrine does that mean they are incapable of an offensive war? Japan does not have an offensive capabilities without the US. That is a fact. U can learn or keep masking your ignorance.
Japan's self defense force has different structures from the Imperial Japanese armed forces which was a proper military.

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STFU!!

The question is: does Japan have a military or not?

Who cares if it's offensive or defensive in nature?

Learn to fvcking read before jumping into a debate.

honeyad:


Must you comment？

Must you Qoute my comment?

cap28:


The Russians have a powerful military which has never been defeated in modern times, that makes a very big difference.

Without an effective military, you are easy prey for any country who fancies their chances with you.

I was talking about the Soviet Union. They lost the cold war because of their economic woes and the west exploited them when the iron curtain fell during the Yelstin years. They had a strong military(which became a burden) yet they were exploited until putin came to power and put an end to it.

A strong economy and dynamic internal reforms should always be the first step to prevent exploitation not a strong armed forces.

Missy89

You are just annoying these days with ya eagerness to spam the yank useless propaganda everywhere.

The whole thing is pretty much straightforward. Yes, Japan has a military that is actually top 10 on the planet. But no, you had to throw the US 7th fleet in there and US helping it build it's offensive strength. Like seriously, who cares about that? Who doesn't know Japan is still occupied by the US, ditto Germany, Italy, and the UK to an extent? And what is the correlation between that and having a military?

Heck, Italy and Japan have aircraft carriers. You are annoying as fvck.

Missy89:

I was talking about the Soviet Union. They "lost" the cold war because of their economic woes and the west exploited them when the iron curtain fell during the Yelstin years. They had a strong military(which became a burden) yet they were exploited until putin came to power and put an end to it.
A strong economy and dynamic internal reforms should always be the first step to prevent exploitation not a strong armed forces.

The Soviet Union lost the cold war because they were involved in an arms race with the US which ended up bankrupting them,they also had internal problems which had nothing to do with the US , therefore the US were not directly responsible for their defeat. We could argue that the US's excessive military spending has also bankrupted them- their national debt is running at over 18 trillion dollars and their main creditor is China - would that mean that China has defeated the US?

cap28:


The Soviet Union lost the cold war because they were involved in an arms race with the US which ended up bankrupting them,they also had internal problems which had nothing to do with the US , therefore the US were not directly responsible for their defeat. We could argue that the US's excessive military spending has also bankrupted them- their national debt is running at over 18 trillion dollars and their main creditor is China - would that mean that China has defeated the US?

Yes that was my point. US did not defeat the soviets directly but had more to spend unlike the soviet because the soviets were not very productive economically compared to their military might.

And yes same goes for the heavy US spending on the military. History always repeats itself i guess. But unlike the soviets, the American market is still important for Chinese products...For now

But this doesn't change the fact that even when Russia was military strong (1989-1995/6) There was an overwhelming exploitation from the western powers and the military was powerless to stop it because the state was broke!

SirShymex:


South Africa's military is controlled by the Afrikaans and British South Africans, just as most of their corporations.

can you give us the source of that information........stop posting what you think and give us real information......stop miss leading us

vandalZA:
can you give us the source of that information........stop posting what you think and give us real information......stop miss leading us

Tell us why you named ya attack helicopter in Afrikaan language, and not the black one.

Anyone can work as an Engineer in a company, but whoever owns the patent is the most important thing. Afrikaans built the attack helicopter, just as the British South Africans built ya Beetle fighter jets.

Stop telling porkies. They own ya darn country and that is the truth.

Missy89:


Yes that was my point. US did not defeat the soviets directly but had more to spend unlike the soviet because the soviets were not very productive economically compared to their military might.

And yes same goes for the heavy US spending on the military. History always repeats itself i guess. But unlike the soviets, the American market is still important for Chinese products...For now

The bottom line is that without a powerful military you are dead meat. The US keeps on spending recklessly on defence because it doesn't want to end up being anyone's bi..tch when the inevitable collapse of the US dollar arrives. Same with the Soviets during the cold war, they'd rather keep beefing up their war machine rather than risk being easy prey for NATO.

You people think the US is China's only market , what about Africa, Europe and other Asian countries.

SirShymex:


Tell us why you named ya attack helicopter in Afrikaan language, and not the black one.

Anyone can work as an Engineer in a company, but whoever owns the patent is the most important thing. Afrikaans built the attack helicopter, just as the British South Africans built ya Beetle fighter jets.

Stop telling porkies. They own ya darn country and that is the truth.

I don't know why he keeps arguing about this.

South Africans themselves know that the country remains in the hands of the multinationals.

These guys think that British and the Boers fought over their land in order to hand it back to them, the Europeans would rather die than let blacks own the wealth of that country.

cap28:


The bottom line is that without a powerful military you are dead meat. The US keeps on spending recklessly on defence because it doesn't want to end up being anyone's bitch when the inevitable collapse of the US dollar arrives. Same with the Soviets during the cold war, they'd rather keep beefing up their war machine rather than risk being easy prey for NATO.

You people think the US is China's only market , what about Africa, Europe and other Asian countries.

Wait a min. You said a strong military is needed to prevent exploitation and at the same time you are against high military spending. Give examples of what u see as "reckless spending"

Keep in mind, building military capabilities is like opening a Pandora's box. once u start modernizing, you have to keep up and defense companies will want to stay afloat, hence, more wars. That is the inevitable circle of every MIC

What is your opinion on Russia exploitation after the cold war even thou they had a relatively strong military?

Missy89:





Wait a min. You said a strong military is needed to prevent exploitation and at the same time you are against high military spending. Give examples of what u see as "reckless spending"

Keep in mind, building military capabilities is like opening a Pandora's box. once u start modernizing, you have to keep up and defense companies will want to stay afloat, hence, more wars. That is the inevitable circle of every MIC

What is your opinion on Russia exploitation after the cold war even thou they had a relatively strong military?

A strong military is needed to prevent exploitation but what the US is doing now is excessive because they are borrowing money in order to stay ahead of every other nation in the world - money that could be used for things like health care and education is channelled into defence and the only beneficiaries are the defence contractors, arms manufacturers and the private mercenary companies like Blackwater that have started springing up in the US and Europe.

I think Russia was weakened politically after the cold war but only temporarily, hence the entry of US backed puppets like Yeltsin.

cap28:


I don't know why he keeps arguing about this.

South Africans themselves know that the country remains in the hands of the multinationals.

These guys think that British and the Boers fought over their land in order to hand it back to them, the Europeans would rather die than let blacks own the wealth of that country.

Bro, these lazy and brainwashed African intellectual scums just love living in denial. Rather than take time out to study their own history, and get a clear view of the dynamics of the world, they prefer spouting useless propaganda everywhere about things they have no stake in. When the amount of time and energy they waste in assimilating this junk can be used judiciously to learn things that will better their fortunes. These folks just irk me.

You have got a country like South Africa that is still deeply segregated along racial lines, with the shackles of apartheid still evident everywhere. Why would blacks build something in the same country and give it an Afrikaan name? That is just common sense.

After Zuma, I won't be surprised if a white person were to be elected again as president, to be honest. And once these folks lose ANC - it is over for them. The little gains they have made would be wiped out gradually.

"Good Riddance"

coldsummer:
[size=15pt]This is what they should have done long ago.

Enter strong tie with China and Russia and abandon the convenient parasite relationship with America!!!

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We should stop using their dollar to determine d strength of our naira and if possible it shld be one naira to a dollar.They are doing this to us because of our anti-gay stance.

cap28:


A strong military is needed to prevent exploitation but what the US is doing now is excessive because they are borrowing money in order to stay ahead of every other nation in the world - money that could be used for things like health care and education is channelled into defence and the only beneficiaries are the defence contractors, arms manufacturers and the private mercenary companies like Blackwater that have started springing up in the US and Europe.

I think Russia was weakened politically after the cold war but only temporarily, hence the entry of US backed puppets like Yeltsin.

That is always the case. strong military has its price. Where do u draw the line?

It was not only a political weakness but a financial one as well. The country was flat broke and the huge military became a burden. U might not know this but Russia still gets military aid from the US to secure/destroy their nuclear stockpile since 1992. military modernization has costs if there is no vibrant economy. Economy should always come first, then military can modernize at the same pace.

Missy89:

That is always the case. strong military has its price. Where do u draw the line?
It was not only a political weakness but a financial one as well. The country was flat broke and the huge military became a burden. U might not know this but Russia still gets military aid from the US to secure/destroy their nuclear stockpile since 1992. military modernization has costs if there is no vibrant economy. Economy should always come first, then military can modernize at the same pace.

There is a difference between military technological know how and excessive military spending


Nigeria is vulnerable to Western backed internal or external invasion because we lack basic military technological know how as a result of not giving room to our intellectuals in our higher institutions to participate in weapons research and development just the way other powerful nations do

Imagine GEJ winning election next year and Buhari's supporters decide to take up arms against the government. What chance do the government has if US decides to launch a naval blockade in order to prevent the government from importing weapons through the sea the way Biafra was blockade from importing weapons through the sea.

Its better for Nigeria to buy licence to built this in local industries that Need to call someone to import for an independance and limited ingerence mexicans and others "non superpower" countries started to do this .

WombRaiders:


Is it GEJ's fault that we don't have a military industry complex now?

Did I just hear you say ''military-industrial complex''
Do you know the consequence of that?
Follow in that path if you want to be a bully and thus engaging in gun-boat diplomacy, coz I don't see how M.I Complex won't affect your foreign policy, especially when the FP is geared towards peace, like Nigeria's.

mmark12:




Hahahahahahahahaahaha. From my research, Nigeria was stopped from the Visa lottery program because Nigeria has exceeded the 50,000 quota on immigration to US. Other countries have been excluded as well. DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE BLABBING RUBBISH.

Secondly, they stopped purchasing our oil because they are now producing 9 million barrels of oil, Nigeria was exporting 1.2 million barrels to US. USE YOUR HEAD. Nigeria has uses the same ban on importation from other countries. DONT BE A HYPORCRITE.

Thirdly, they refused us medication, because Nigeria's case was very very low compared to Liberia whom they approved. besides I THOUGHT NIGERIA BOASTS TO BE THE LARGEST ECONOMY IN AFRICA, HOW COME THERE WERE DEMANDING THE US FOR THE DRUGS, FREE OF CHARGE - NONSENSE.



IF Nigeria collapses, I pray its does not, Its Nigerians that will be blamed. You, NOT America, elects corrupted politicans;
U demand bribes, punish the innocent and sing praises to corrupt politicans, deny freedom, liberty, peace to the innocents; Kill the innocents because for the pursuit wealth, divert money meant for development to private account. WHAT DO U EXPECT THAT ALL WILL BE WELL, BULLSHIT, INTO THIS VACUUM BOKO HARAM IS ARRIVED.

You are an idiotic fool, must u quote me and insult me to buttress ur opinion Am very much aware of the reason for Visa lottery stuff and about Americas Shale Oil before u even dreamt of openin an account on Nairaland. If u don't av manners or courtesy, beta go back to kindergarten and just keep ur useless ideologies to urself or else u won't like what u will get from me.