Reyginus:
Dapo, I don't see the correlation. Your example is insufficient. I don't see how what you presented above is himdering us as a nation?

What Dapo is saying is Crystal clear, when blacks read just to pass exam, they fail to truly internalize the truth of what has been read. So the majority of students are after 2:1 or 1st class not because of what they want to know but the good life and assured job it promises. Once that job is landed the pursuit of knowledge ends. A situation in my class paints this graphically, the best student in my class of Mechanical engineers got a mouth watering offer in a leading accounting firm and grabbed it. He eventually gravitated to one of the leading banks and the story is obvious, end of any hope of a prolific mechanical systems integrator or inventor of machines to oil the wheels of societal progress. 5 years of rigorous training flushed down the drain on the alter greed.

It is indicates why most of our professors are hardly found involved in ground breaking discovery as many are busy gravitating from one prayer house to the other or fellowships seeking divine intervention to secure the next promotion. The application of any finding is hardly uppermost in their mind but just to get the next research grant to produce more worthless pursuit and accumulate enough paper to attain the next level.

In a nutshell the religious myopia has joined with certain aspects of our culture we need to forget to create what we have presently

Reyginus:
This is what I mean. If Evolution is still happening it is logical to assume that it is happening independently and at a mutually exclusive time and not necessarily the same time between organisms.

If it is happening at different time surely every of our generation will witness the evolution of at least one specie of organism. If this is so, you can show it is not, then why do you have to suggest that we may not witness it?

Or do u expect macro changes within the short period you have to live on earth?

Reyginus:
That is too far, bro. Countries like UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar will do.

The islamic countries seem treat education more seriously that the chritotards of Africa, especially Nigeria.

He is not asking what is wrong with religion, but what is wrong with the African mind that is religious?

Religion does more harm to an African mind than it does to most races.
Why?

Why does an African, for example think that he is smarter than a Jew for accepting a jewish product that a jew rejected ?

Ovamboland:


What Dapo is saying is Crystal clear, when blacks read just to pass exam, they fail to truly internalize the truth of what has been read. So the majority of students are after 2:1 or 1st class not because of what they want to know but the good life and assured job it promises. Once that job is landed the pursuit of knowledge ends. A situation in my class paints this graphically, the best student in my class of Mechanical engineers got a mouth watering offer in a leading accounting firm and grabbed it. He eventually gravitated to one of the leading banks and the story is obvious, end of any hope of a prolific mechanical systems integrator or inventor of machines to oil the wheels of societal progress. 5 years of rigorous training flushed down the drain on the alter greed.

It is indicates why most of our professors are hardly found involved in ground breaking discovery as many are busy gravitating from one prayer house to the other or fellowships seeking divine intervention to secure the next promotion. The application of any finding is hardly uppermost in their mind but just to get the next research grant to produce more worthless pursuit and accumulate enough paper to attain the next level.

In a nutshell the religious myopia has joined with certain aspects of our culture we need to forget to create what we have presently

You are right.
A greal deal of the facts that I learned about religion and history were in my secondary school textbooks.
So, when someone here comes to ask dumb questions and make ignorant arguments, I begin to wonder if they went to secondary school at all.

Dapo777:


Ofcourse evolution is still ongoing But the changes can be seen at the microscopic level within this short period of time u have on earth.

Cappish?

So if I am able to see these microscopic changes isn't that Evolution itself? If it is, then why do you have to suggest initially that we will not experience it?

And to the big question, why are their are no apes closer to changing to man the homosapien? By now, after thousands of our generation one of our generation must have witnessed an age in the transformation or transforming.

Dapo777:


If they don't drop religion will they make an attempt to build rocket that takes them to space,Since That's Where God lives according to the Bible.

See how you lie. Who told you that it was because they dropped religion that they started building rocket? And you are talking as if the entire population of America and Britain are now non religion. As if all their scientists are now non religion. Na wa for you. Your point is baseless pls.

Ovamboland:


What Dapo is saying is Crystal clear, when blacks read just to pass exam, they fail to truly internalize the truth of what has been read. So the majority of students are after 2:1 or 1st class not because of what they want to know but the good life and assured job it promises. Once that job is landed the pursuit of knowledge ends. A situation in my class paints this graphically, the best student in my class of Mechanical engineers got a mouth watering offer in a leading accounting firm and grabbed it. He eventually gravitated to one of the leading banks and the story is obvious, end of any hope of a prolific mechanical systems integrator or inventor of machines to oil the wheels of societal progress. 5 years of rigorous training flushed down the drain on the alter greed.

It is indicates why most of our professors are hardly found involved in ground breaking discovery as many are busy gravitating from one prayer house to the other or fellowships seeking divine intervention to secure the next promotion. The application of any finding is hardly uppermost in their mind but just to get the next research grant to produce more worthless pursuit and accumulate enough paper to attain the next level.

In a nutshell the religious myopia has joined with certain aspects of our culture we need to forget to create what we have presently

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Ovamboland:


What Dapo is saying is Crystal clear, when blacks read just to pass exam, they fail to truly internalize the truth of what has been read. So the majority of students are after 2:1 or 1st class not because of what they want to know but the good life and assured job it promises. Once that job is landed the pursuit of knowledge ends. A situation in my class paints this graphically, the best student in my class of Mechanical engineers got a mouth watering offer in a leading accounting firm and grabbed it. He eventually gravitated to one of the leading banks and the story is obvious, end of any hope of a prolific mechanical systems integrator or inventor of machines to oil the wheels of societal progress. 5 years of rigorous training flushed down the drain on the alter greed.

The fact that there are among us blacks who have also done the reverse is proof that your generalization is highly illogical. In essence, what he is saying is made worse with this your explanation.

The fact also that there are lazy whites who are in the class of your mechanical engineers confirms it. Motivation has nothing to do with skin colour.

Ovamboland:


It is indicates why most of our professors are hardly found involved in ground breaking discovery as many are busy gravitating from one prayer house to the other or fellowships seeking divine intervention to secure the next promotion. The application of any finding is hardly uppermost in their mind but just to get the next research grant to produce more worthless pursuit and accumulate enough paper to attain the next level.

It is not because of the skin colour, my friend.

Ovamboland:

In a nutshell the religious myopia has joined with certain aspects of our culture we need to forget to create what we have presently

What is this religious myopia and what are these aspects of our culture they have clinged to?

Ovamboland:


What Dapo is saying is Crystal clear, when blacks read just to pass exam, they fail to truly internalize the truth of what has been read. So the majority of students are after 2:1 or 1st class not because of what they want to know but the good life and assured job it promises. Once that job is landed the pursuit of knowledge ends. A situation in my class paints this graphically, the best student in my class of Mechanical engineers got a mouth watering offer in a leading accounting firm and grabbed it. He eventually gravitated to one of the leading banks and the story is obvious, end of any hope of a prolific mechanical systems integrator or inventor of machines to oil the wheels of societal progress. 5 years of rigorous training flushed down the drain on the alter greed.

Is it religion that caused this or you just want to be insincere?

Ovamboland:



It is indicates why most of our professors are hardly found involved in ground breaking discovery as many are busy gravitating from one prayer house to the other or fellowships seeking divine intervention to secure the next promotion. The application of any finding is hardly uppermost in their mind but just to get the next research grant to produce more worthless pursuit and accumulate enough paper to attain the next level.

In a nutshell the religious myopia has joined with certain aspects of our culture we need to forget to create what we have presently

The bold is another false allegation made out of your insincere reasoning. There are some professors that are non religious, why haven't they gone ahead to make ground breaking discoveries since, according to your claims, the religious ones are running from one prayer house to another seeking for divine intervention for their promotion?

honourhim:


See how you lie. Who told you that it was because they dropped religion that they started building rocket? And you are talking as if the entire population of America and Britain are now non religion. As if all their scientists are now non religion. Na wa for you. Your point is baseless pls.

Stop spewing trash and point them out. Point out the religious ones that have made ground breaking discoveries or forever hold ur peace.

honourhim:


Is it religion that caused this or you just want to be insincere?




The bold is another false allegation made out of your insincere reasoning. There are some professors that are non religious, why haven't they gone ahead to make ground breaking discoveries since, according to your claims, the religious ones are running from one prayer house to another seeking for divine intervention for their promotion?

Point them out naaa or are you just being antagonistic?

Dapo777:


Or do u expect macro changes within the short period you have to live on earth?

Think harder, my friend. The changes, if it happened, never happened at the same time as surely some were on the verge of happening. In the real sense, it is always happening. It never stops.

That being said. Every generation must experience a macrolevel of a particular organism. How do you explain that we are yet to experience any in our time?

plaetton:


The islamic countries seem treat education more seriously that the chritotards of Africa, especially Nigeria.

He is not asking what is wrong with religion, but what is wrong with the African mind that is religious?

Religion does more harm to an African mind than it does to most races.
Why?

Why does an African, for example think that he is smarter than a Jew for accepting a jewish product that a jew rejected ?

It is everything. The african mind has been tortured by every means possible by the colonisers that he has lost the sense of personal pride. He has been made to believe, by every means possible, that on his own he cannot amount to anything.

The fact that there was religion in the dark ages of Europe when Africa ruled is a testament of that. Religion was never the problem. The colonizers destroyed the african mind.

Reyginus:
Think harder, my friend. The changes, if it happened, never happened at the same time as surely some were on the verge of happening. In the real sense, it is always happening. It never stops.

That being said. Every generation must experience a macrolevel of a particular organism. How do you explain that we are yet to experience any in our time?

I think you are the one in need of serious critical thinking here. How would you notice a change When you have not been on earth for a million years? Do you think the changes are noticeable within the 80 something years you will spend on earth? Are you thinking at all?

For you to notice a big change you must have observed how an organism was millions of years back,do you think those changes happen overnight?

How can you say something has Changed Through evolution If you don't know how it was a million years ago?

I am not surprised you are reasoning this way. Its one of the effect of religion on your intellectual prowess.

Think man think!!!!

Dapo777:


How would you say it ceased? Will you still be alive to witness the changes? we can deduce the changes that are likely to occur by making logical predictions, must you see everything happen right in your eyes before believing,once there are evidences I don't see What is stopping you from believing in evolution and abiogenesis unless you don't want to offend sky daddy.

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Dapo this is not the first time I have engaged you in discussions like this.You are just trying to justify being an atheist and so you come up with all this threads.
Imagine your quote above....
"must you see everything happen in your eyes before believing?"

-- If you can choose to believe in evolution without seeing or experiencing it,how come you are not willing to believe in GOD without seeing GOD?

Dapo777:


I think you are the one in need of serious critical thinking here. How would you notice a change When you have not been on earth for a million years? Do you think the changes are noticeable within the 80 something years you will spend on earth? Are you thinking at all?

For you to notice a big change you must have observed how an organism was millions of years back,do you think those changes happen overnight?

How can you say something has Changed Through evolution If you don't know how it was a million years ago?

I am not surprised you are reasoning this way. Its one of the effect of religion on your intellectual prowess.

Think man think!!!!

Lol. He still doesn't understand. Let's do it this way. Did the evolution of every organism occur at the same time?

Dapo777:

Point them out naaa or are you just being antagonistic?

Dapo777:


Stop spewing trash and point them out. Point out the religious ones that have made ground breaking discoveries or forever hold ur peace.

Are you reading my post well or is your sense of reading twisted? Pls read it again more carefully and digest it, then come back to the questions you asked me and see your error.

theunusualmoon:

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Dapo this is not the first time I have engaged you in discussions like this.You are just trying to justify being an atheist and so you come up with all this threads.
Imagine your quote above....
"must you see everything happen in your eyes before believing?"

-- If you can choose to believe in evolution without seeing or experiencing it,how come you are not willing to believe in GOD without seeing GOD?

Bedides stop trying to infuriate people by saying "sky daddy" all the time.It's not working.

Because the qualities attributed to God is paradoxical. I can show you the paradoxes, create another thread for it.

theunusualmoon:

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Dapo this is not the first time I have engaged you in discussions like this.You are just trying to justify being an atheist and so you come up with all this threads.
Imagine your quote above....
"must you see everything happen in your eyes before believing?"

-- If you can choose to believe in evolution without seeing or experiencing it,how come you are not willing to believe in GOD without seeing GOD?

Lol. One simple word he will tell you: Evidence. This will be fun.

Reyginus:
It is everything. The african mind has been tortured by every means possible by the colonisers that he has lost the sense of personal pride. He has been made to believe, by every means possible, that on his own he cannot amount to anything.

The fact that there was religion in the dark ages of Europe when Africa ruled is a testament of that. Religion was never the problem. The colonizers destroyed the african mind.

1000 000 000 000 000 000 likes.

Reyginus:
Lol. He still doesn't understand. Let's do it this way. Did the evolution of every organism occur at the same time?

Evolution is not a one time process,its continuous and its still happening,only very slowly that no generation can notice any micro changes due to the speed at Which evolution is occurring. The fossils are references to the way those organisms were millions of years back.

Reyginus:
It is everything. The african mind has been tortured by every means possible by the colonisers that he has lost the sense of personal pride. He has been made to believe, by every means possible, that on his own he cannot amount to anything.

The fact that there was religion in the dark ages of Europe when Africa ruled is a testament of that. Religion was never the problem. The colonizers destroyed the african mind.

I agree that the African mind is destroyed, but you cannot absolve the role of religion in the past 100 and something years.

The Roman catholic church in Nigeria, for example , is engaged in an endless war with our cultures.
Anything cultural is viewed as demonic, and this is passed on to generations.

I have been in occasions where people refused to break or eat Kola nut because of religion.
Whereas, in the Vatican, a lot of top catholic priests smoke cigarettes , drink alcohol, even snort cocaine, while still maintaining their pretences of peity.

honourhim:


Are you reading my post well or is your sense of reading twisted? Pls read it again more carefully and digest it, then come back to the questions you asked me and see your error.

What nonsense am I reading in ur post. You are just claiming religious people are also making scientific break Through. Give us examples or hold ur peace.

Dapo777:
I and my colleagues were having a group chat on whatsapp about different theories on how life came to be, some explained cosmozoan theory,some explained Panspermia theory, it was quite educative and interactive, I noticed the passion and zeal in their discussion,they even discussed some experiments about how volcanic eruption simulation in the laboratory could yield organic molecules and nucleotides required in the yield of living cells etc.how
Then I asked them a question,although they don't know I am an atheist yet,

Does anyone here still believe in the Bible creation stories with all these scientific facts and knowledge you guys knows.

They replied no the Bible is the ultimate truth and that they are just learning those stuffs to pass exams anyway.

What a waste of knowledge I said within myself. This is the mentality a lot of Nigerians carry in their head,I am just reading to pass my exam,hardly would you find the ones reading to push their country forward in the right direction.

They don't want to make research because they believe a sky daddy would get mad at them for trying to find out things "beyond their understanding".

What a pathetic situation.

The British that brought religion to control us here in Africa a lot of them have abandoned their religion and are now focusing on scientific endeavour That's why they are developing faster than Nigeria the giant of Africa.

Yes I am angry. At how religion has infiltrated this country to impede our development and cause serious intellectual laziness.

Chaiiiii.

You that have a scientific mind, how much finacial motivation are you getting, or perhaps you are very rich. Religion is nt stopping you now that you know is a scam.

Use your wealth of scientific knowledge to produce something for the world to see, that is what bill gate did, or did bill gate tell you there where no religious people in his class when he dropped out?

theunusualmoon:

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Dapo this is not the first time I have engaged you in discussions like this.You are just trying to justify being an atheist and so you come up with all this threads.
Imagine your quote above....
"must you see everything happen in your eyes before believing?"

-- If you can choose to believe in evolution without seeing or experiencing it,how come you are not willing to believe in GOD without seeing GOD?

They know that they are not being sincere in the no-God crap which they are using to deceive small and amateur minds.

honourhim:


They know that they are not being sincere in the no-God crap which they are using to deceive small and amateur minds.

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I wonder why they are so filled with denial.

Dapo777:


What nonsense am I reading in ur post. You are just claiming religious people are also making scientific break Through. Give us examples or hold ur peace.

Quite pathetic that you couldnt notice errors in your questions to me yet you blame other people for not doing well. A simple statement i made here you couldnt read it well to understand.

urheme:



You that have a scientific mind, how much finacial motivation are you getting, or perhaps you are very rich. Religion is nt stopping you now that you know is a scam.

Use your wealth of scientific knowledge to produce something for the world to see, that is what bill gate did, or did bill gate tell you there where no religious people in his class when he dropped out?

Yes I am working towards it. I must accomplish something before I leave this world. My presence on earth cannot go wasted back to the ground.

honourhim:


Quite pathetic that you couldnt notice errors in your questions to me yet you blame other people for not doing well. A simple statement i made here you couldnt read it well to understand.

*yawns*
When you are ready you will point out the religious people you claim to make scientific break Through.

plaetton:


I agree that the African mind is destroyed, but you cannot absolve the role of religion in the past 100 and something years.

The Roman catholic church in Nigeria, for example , is engaged in an endless war with our cultures.
Anything cultural is viewed as demonic, and this is passed on to generations.

I have been in occasions where people refused to break or eat Kola nut because of religion.
Whereas, in the Vatican, a lot of top catholic priests smoke cigarettes , drink alcohol, even snort cocaine, while still maintaining their pretences of peity.

Cocaine!!! prohibited substance, yet italo calls them holy. Hhhm

honourhim:


See how you lie. Who told you that it was because they dropped religion that they started building rocket? And you are talking as if the entire population of America and Britain are now non religion. As if all their scientists are now non religion. Na wa for you. Your point is baseless pls.

Things started working well for Europe during the age of Enlightenment. Prior to that time, religion (especially, Christianity) caused Europe to be underdeveloped just the way Africa is now.

plaetton:


I agree that the African mind is destroyed, but you cannot absolve the role of religion in the past 100 and something years.

The Roman catholic church in Nigeria, for example , is engaged in an endless war with our cultures.
Anything cultural is viewed as demonic, and this is passed on to generations.

I have been in occasions where people refused to break or eat Kola nut because of religion.
Whereas, in the Vatican, a lot of top catholic priests smoke cigarettes , drink alcohol, even snort cocaine, while still maintaining their pretences of peity.

If everything, even the African environment, was employed in the destruction of the mind of the african then why do we have base it all on Religion in particular?

When this same Religion is seen in high proportion in countries of prosperity what then justifies us to assert that the african mind was destroyed by it?

Wouldn't it be better to suggest that their is something inherent in every man capable of turning anything around it for its personal and selfish gain? Like a kind battle between the ego and alter ego turning every idea in several ways on its head before the stronger wins.