shadowgwalker:
this scenario is more to the spiritual than to the physical, normally when a child is born, somewhere in the world somebody dies.

there is this balance on earth between life and death, only God knows best.

Dapo777:


By the way is it my responsibility to educate you on how evolution work? If you don't know how man started wearing cloth how is it my burden?

Peterken05:
nice theory

is this in the bible?

Dapo777:


I also don't have an answer to that. You don't know there are some tribes that still move about unclad ?

So of what use is that knowledge when some people don't still see themselves naked and dont find anything strange about it nudists also don't see anything strange in being naked. So what's the question for?

Dapo777:
I heard God created everyone for a purpose,what about babies that got miscarried naturally? Or babies that die shortly after being birthed?

What purpose have they fulfilled within the short period of time?

Causing the mother sorrow? Is that a purpose?

theunusualmoon:

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Several times You have claimed GOD does not exist and that man got to this stage by evolution.
So why are you pretending not to know why I directed the question to you?

PastorAIO:


What do you mean by purpose? Of course everything that exists no matter how briefly can have an effect. Whether you consider that effect a purpose or not is a different matter.

Even the effect of causing the mother sorrow can be purposeful. In yoruba we have a class of spirits called Ibiku that purposely die early precisely to cause the mother, or others, sorrow.

PastorAIO:


This fact mentioned here is a killer blow for the biblical account in genesis. Genesis says that man saw he was naked and was ashamed. So what of all those tribes walking around naked and unashamed? Did they too not eat the fruit of the tree of good and evil? If they didn't then they don't have original sin. Therefore they should not be suffering from the curses in genesis, and they should not suffer death. This is momentous!!!

In one fell swoop biblical inerrancy is sent to the grave.

Dapo777:


Wait a second. It was after Adam and Eve ate the fruit that they realized they were naked,what happened to tribes that go about unclad? They are immune to the fruit? Or they are not descendant of Adam and Eve? Please help me out of this confusion

tpia5:



Cultism and voodoo

Peterken05:
nice theory

is this in the bible?

theunusualmoon:

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Where have you been.I see you are so quick to jump on AIO's thoughts.
well, as for nudists you and I know they are half sane half insane.so its no point talking about them.
As regards the tribes that you say are unclad.You are wrong they are not unclad.They still have ways of covering themselves up.It's just that they dont wear what we understand to be clothing but they still wear their own stuff.
AND I will certainly die a christian.

theunusualmoon:
At times, I just can't help but wonder what drives these thoughts into your mind.

Was their abortion GOD's decision?
If you had a girl pregnant and you desperately wanted her to keep it but she decides to abort it.Will it be reasonable for us to say you didn't have any purposeful plan for that kid?

Dapo777:


So what you are saying is that every miscarriage is caused by the pregnant woman or another person? Haven't you heard of miscarriages that happen that wasn't deliberately induced? If you don't know about them simply say So.

Let me quote the first paragraph of the cause of miscarriage from a reputable source

What Causes Miscarriage?
The causes of miscarriage are not well understood. Most  miscarriages that occur in the first trimester are caused by chromosomal abnormalities in the baby. Chromosomes are tiny structures inside the cells of the body which carry many genes. Genes determine all of a person's physical attributes, such as sex, hair and eye color, and blood type. Most chromosomal problems occur by chance and are not related to the mother's or father's health.
http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/pregnancy-miscarriage?page=2

How do you explain miscarriages that arent induced by anyone but by chromosomal abnormalities? Is it the mother's fault? Or the father's fault?

Eagerly waiting for your answer.

theunusualmoon:

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Where have you been.I see you are so quick to jump on AIO's thoughts.
well, as for nudists you and I know they are half sane half insane.so its no point talking about them.
As regards the tribes that you say are unclad.You are wrong they are not unclad.They still have ways of covering themselves up.It's just that they dont wear what we understand to be clothing but they still wear their own stuff.
AND I will certainly die a christian.

shadowgwalker:
forget that guy abeg! even a so-called philosopher (ethicist) will laugh him to scorn cos he ain't gat no points.
from the study of history you will see that that 'uneducated ancient ones even wear atlist animal skins or leaves and their reasons are vast to not wearing at all. Life never hit that guy yet that's why he's spitting.

shadowgwalker:
I see you are intelligent enough to use the web, why don't you find answers online?do research to know... that's only if you see the truth and accept it sha.

Dapo777:


But you are not intelligent enough to use Google to search from tribes that are living completely unclad before you come to nairaland to display your ignorance

PastorAIO:


This fact mentioned here is a killer blow for the biblical account in genesis. Genesis says that man saw he was naked and was ashamed. So what of all those tribes walking around naked and unashamed? Did they too not eat the fruit of the tree of good and evil? If they didn't then they don't have original sin. Therefore they should not be suffering from the curses in genesis, and they should not suffer death. This is momentous!!!

In one fell swoop biblical inerrancy is sent to the grave.

Dapo777:


That's your choice none of my business.

By the way you have just shown us your ignorance to say they are not completely unclad. Sorry to disappointed you,they are COMPLETELY unclad the way they were born.

https://www.nairaland.com/1862518/completely-unclad-people-21st-century

honourhim:


Oga pls do us a favour and send the link of the unclad people so that we can read how unclad they are before concluding.

shadowgwalker:
there is no tribe like that my brother! after your Google search, visit the area and see yourself. even if they say let all humans go naked, you can't go for one week, you must cover from both weather and insect bites. you must cover to hide your shameful Adam-nature, you must cover to hide even your stupidity and your ignorance! ode-niga-one!

honourhim:


Oga pls do us a favour and send the link of the unclad people so that we can read how unclad they are before concluding.

Dapo777:


It's a waste of time replying you. You aren't worth my attention. After showing you what you don't know you still insist there are no tribes that are completely unclad. You are a persistent fo0l that will never learn if you keep acting this way. That is how you said earlier that death and birth rate is balanced, why am I even surprised if you can say something as preposterous as that, what sensible thing could I possibly expect from you.

Dapo777:

https://www.nairaland.com/1862518/completely-unclad-people-21st-century

honourhim:


Oga pls do us a favour and send the link of the unclad people so that we can read how unclad they are before concluding.

theunusualmoon:

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well, as for nudists you and I know they are half sane half insane.so its no point talking about them.
As regards the tribes that you say are unclad.You are wrong they are not unclad.They still have ways of covering themselves up.It's just that they dont wear what we understand to be clothing but they still wear their own stuff.
AND I will certainly die a christian.

shadowgwalker:
there is no tribe like that my brother! after your Google search, visit the area and see yourself. even if they say let all humans go naked, you can't go for one week, you must cover from both weather and insect bites. you must cover to hide your shameful Adam-nature, you must cover to hide even your stupidity and your ignorance! ode-niga-one!

shadowgwalker:
whether you like it or not, nobody is naked... kill yourself by committing suicide to death when you are tired of replying with your hopeless dry facts. just say you want to see naked people and stop this rubbish!

Dapo777:


Are you sure you are still a Christian? theunusualmoon read the above and give us an answer to the pastors question.

PastorAIO:


You see what you wrote in bold. This is part of the arrogance that propels souls into hopeless perdition. How dismissive! I don't think that they are insane at all. And there is point in talking about them because they are pertinent to what we are discussing.

As for the rest of what you are saying,and this also addresses what shadowgwalker says here:
... I can only imagine that they sheltered themselves from the weather and insect bites the same way Adam and Eve did before they ate the fruit.

The bible is clear that Adam and Eve wore clothes to cover their unclothedness. Wearing bangles and necklaces does not do the trick. Neither does tying a string to your cocky.

PastorAIO:


Yes! I'm sure. I guess I need to make it clear that I am not a 'Bible based Christian'. Christianity precedes the bible as a tome.

Dapo777:


Na wa oooo wetin man no go see? Christianity without bible. first of its kind

PastorAIO:


Not the first. Though I understand that it's strange to you.

By the way, I didn't dismiss the bible. It has uses. It's just not the basis of my religion.