What is atheism?

Atheism is the lack of belief in any god or gods. That's it. While this should be obvious, many people seem to think it implies other things. It doesn't. The only generalization you can make about all atheists is that they don't believe in any gods.

The term atheism often invites misconceptions. Unlike a typical -ism, atheism does not refer to a particular positive ideology, and there is no school of thought behind it. It is used as a blanket term to refer merely to the absence of something others may happen to have.

Do atheists claim to know that there is no god?

Only a very few, sometimes referred to as strong atheists, are willing to say "I know there is no god." Some atheists will say they disbelieve in any gods. A large number of atheists will simply say that since there is no evidence of any god ever having existed they will live their lives as if none do because that's the only rational choice. And there are atheists who simply have never considered gods one way or another. Atheism is the default, after all. See also "Is Atheism the Same Thing as Agnosticism?", below.

Does atheism have anything to do with science?

No. Atheism is the lack of a certain belief. Science is a method for finding out how nature works. Being an atheist does not make you scientific. Being a scientist does not make you an atheist.

Are atheists wrong because they have no proof that a god doesn't exist?

No. A basic tenet of critical thinking is that the burden of proof, or evidence, is on the party making the claim. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot]See Russell's teapot[/url]. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. All of which means it is not the atheist's job to find evidence to refute the existence of a god. When a claim is made it is the responsibility of the one making the claim to provide evidence for it.

Are atheists ignoring the complexity of the universe as proof of a god?

No. Arguments of the form, "The universe/life/mind/quantum physics is so complex that there must be a god" are not evidence, they are logical fallacies. They are examples of The Appeal to Ignorance, also known as the God of the gaps.

Does atheism have anything to do with the theory of evolution?

No. Atheism is the lack of a belief in any gods. Evolution is the scientific theory which explains speciation. Being an atheist does not mean you accept evolution. Accepting evolution does not make you an atheist. They are completely separate, unrelated topics. Many creationists insist on conflating the two.

Does atheism have anything to do with morality?

No. Morality evolved along with our sense of empathy. No external authority is required to explain morality, much less a god for which there is no evidence. Being an atheist does not make you immoral. Being a theist does not make you moral.

Isn't atheism just another religion?

No. While there are religions that are arguably atheist, such as Buddhism, atheism is the lack of a specific religious feature. As the old saw goes, if atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

This is not to say that a few atheists don't make what is essentially a supernatural claim to knowledge. See "Do atheists claim to know that there is no god?", above.

Does it require faith to be an atheist?

No. See "What is atheism?", "Isn't atheism just another religion?", and "Do atheists claim to know that there is no god?", above. Atheism is the lack of belief in any gods. It does not require faith in anything to not believe in something else.

Note that the word faith has multiple meanings. If you have faith that the sun will rise, or faith in the progress of science, it means you have confidence in it, often based on evidence or past experience. If you have faith in a god, it means that you hold a firm belief in the absence of evidence, or even in spite of contradictory, evidence.

Is atheism the same thing as agnosticism?

No. Atheism and agnosticism are answers to two separate questions.

An atheist answers the question, "Do you believe in a god?" with "No."

An agnostic answers the question, "Is there a god?" with the only logical answer: "That is not knowable". (Someone who answers "I don't know", as in "what are you talking about?" is ignorant of gods and, technically, an atheist.)

Since gods are outside the bounds of nature, the question isn't even wrong. It's an untestable hypothesis. So agnosticism states that the answer is unknowable by anyone, as illustrated by the bumper sticker: Militant agnostic: I don't know, and you don't either.

So atheism is the absence of a particular belief (in deities) while agnosticism is the position that the existence of deities is unknowable.

As I often put it, ask me what I know and I'm an agnostic. Ask me what I believe and I'm an atheist.

Does "agnostic" mean "undecided" or "not sure"?

No. See "Is atheism the same thing as agnosticism?", above.

Is atheism satanism?

No. Satanism started as a parody religion invented by Anton LaVey to tweak Abrahamic religions. Some Christians seem to think they are actually believers in Satan. To believe in Satan one would almost have to believe in the god he antagonizes. While one could technically believe in Satan and not in any other gods, that would be cutting a fine line on the definition since Satan is just as imaginary as any other supernatural being. (Satan, in fact, matches the definition of most gods.) I sincerely doubt you'd find any atheists in that camp. This question is here only because I know some churches teach that atheism is satanism. Ironically, Christians (who believe in the devil) are closer to being satanists than atheists likely could be.

What is the atheist response to Pascal's Wager?

Pascal's Wager is a wobbly, hoary bit of sophistry which can be demolished trivially with one question: Which god? Even Homer Simpson gets it.

Suppose we’ve chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we’re just making him madder and madder!


It also, rather comically, not only suggests the hypocritical response of pretending to believe in a god, but posits a god who either doesn't mind or can't detect the hypocrisy.

Isn't this FAQ dogma or a claim to authority?

No. This FAQ only exists because theists insist on asking the same questions over and over and over and over and over. A lot.

it's nice to have some basic information here about atheism....some dictionaries are actually tainted with false definitions like "atheism is the doctrine or belief in no god"...

Can ssomeone be

agnostic theist or agnostic atheist or agnostic muslim


can an atheist be religous witout being affilited to any religiob

engrtee:
Can ssomeone be

agnostic theist or agnostic atheist or agnostic muslim

Refer to the FAQ

engrtee:

can an atheist be religous witout being affilited to any religiob

Check here

Man gots to resume this 'ism' struggle. would contribute somethings when I get home

engrtee:
Can ssomeone be

agnostic theist or agnostic atheist or agnostic muslim


can an atheist be religous witout being affilited to any religiob

Let me add to this Oman.

Can an atheist be spiritual without been religious?

If I may ask, what do you understand by spiritual atheism?

More so, the Buddhist who likely do not believe in a personal God and his devoted to Buddhism principles, acknowledge the devas and the universe as a singular force be regarded as an atheist?

To be specific, how do you define God. If I might define God as a revered, admired and adored person, Obama is likely a god. In the Bible, humans are been referred to as God. There are cases where rulers a day judges are been referred to as god. These can be found in the Bible. Moving away from there, as a Yoruba man, you will know that every individual, a conscious being is a god. So if you tell me you don't believe in God, I tend to wonder if human which is believe to be God according to the dictionary, Christian theology and our Yoruba spirituality does not exist.

So you can be of help. . . . what is the God you disbelieve in? Are humans define as God included?

It's quite sad that most african atheist are powering their atheistic views through an european perspective and perceptions. Most if not all atheist debunk the god concepts through the dogmas of foreign religion and scared text.

The mysteries of our existence is intertwine with our history.. According to, my ancestoral teachings. Man desire to know God is to understand the cosmo and make peace on one hand and on the other hand understand his fellow man and make peace." God to my ancestors was knowledge. Do I turn around and say God does not exist because european authors wrote it from a scholarly perspective.

Mind you present day influence on atheistic knowledge is to promote a supremacist ideology. You as an African atheist who do you quote to define intellect... A bunch of european intellectuals.. Where does that put you in the scheme of our collective realities..

Africans can lead too..! Stop all this follow follow..

ooman:
What is atheism?

Atheism is the lack of belief in any god or gods. That's it. While this should be obvious, many people seem to think it implies other things. It doesn't. The only generalization you can make about all atheists is that they don't believe in any gods.

The term atheism often invites misconceptions. Unlike a typical -ism, atheism does not refer to a particular positive ideology, and there is no school of thought behind it. It is used as a blanket term to refer merely to the absence of something others may happen to have.

Now that we know what atheism is. Do you care to tell us what you mean by God, considering the fact that the word God is a vague word that could mean different thing to different people. Nuclearboy in one of his post define God as any being or thing that is been worship. He went ahead in his post saying that worship means acknowledging one's worth. As for prayer, he said it mean petition. Therefore, going by his definition, God could be human or the the in your backyard.

Don't let us go western, orisha in Yoruba is God. We both know that the twin brother down your streets are orisha. As a conscious being, you are an orisha which equate all of us as a living and existing God.

I have seen in one of your post and that of pattern where you both admit that energy is God. . . . . To science thought, you are both correct. But we know that energy exist.

So if God could be a tag or label or perception through which some people view natural world, would you still disbelief in God?

In Yoruba, the entire is this goddess called orisha Ile. She is popularly called mother earth in the other part of world. She is been called different name but worship as one in different culture across the world. And this goddess is nothing but our planet earth.

So going by your definition, would you say that god does not exist?

Does human, nature and universe been referred to as God mean they don't exist because your definition says otherwise?

Do atheists claim to know that there is no god?
Only a very few, sometimes referred to as strong atheists, are willing to say "I know there is no god." Some atheists will say they disbelieve in any gods. A large number of atheists will simply say that since there is no evidence of any god ever having existed they will live their lives as if none do because that's the only rational choice. And there are atheists who simply have never considered gods one way or another. Atheism is the default, after all. See also "Is Atheism the Same Thing as Agnosticism?", below.

If the word god is not definite, atheism either strong or weak is not worth discussing

Does atheism have anything to do with science?

No. Atheism is the lack of a certain belief. Science is a method for finding out how nature works. Being an atheist does not make you scientific. Being a scientist does not make you an atheist.

Does atheism have anything to do with spiritualism? I believe spiritualism begat science.

Are atheists wrong because they have no proof that a god doesn't exist?

No. A basic tenet of critical thinking is that the burden of proof, or evidence, is on the party making the claim. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot]See Russell's teapot[/url]. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. All of which means it is not the atheist's job to find evidence to refute the existence of a god. When a claim is made it is the responsibility of the one making the claim to provide evidence for it.

The strong atheist who attest that he knows there is no God should provide evidence that there is nothing like god

Are atheists ignoring the complexity of the universe as proof of a god?

No. Arguments of the form, "The universe/life/mind/quantum physics is so complex that there must be a god" are not evidence, they are logical fallacies. They are examples of The Appeal to Ignorance, also known as the God of the gaps.

Like I told Pastoraio, there must be always a cause to a happening. That cause is what some refer to as God the creator. A universe from nothing is logical fallacy. That something that caused the bang is the God. You atheist look away from this first cause because it is called God.

Does atheism have anything to do with the theory of evolution?

No. Atheism is the lack of a belief in any gods. Evolution is the scientific theory which explains speciation. Being an atheist does not mean you accept evolution. Accepting evolution does not make you an atheist. They are completely separate, unrelated topics. Many creationists insist on conflating the two.

Does atheism have anything to do with ghost, spirit, alien and magic?

Does atheism have anything to do with morality?

No. Morality evolved along with our sense of empathy. No external authority is required to explain morality, much less a god for which there is no evidence. Being an atheist does not make you immoral. Being a theist does not make you moral.

Ok

Isn't atheism just another religion?

No. While there are religions that are arguably atheist, such as Buddhism, atheism is the lack of a specific religious feature. As the old saw goes, if atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

This is not to say that a few atheists don't make what is essentially a supernatural claim to knowledge. See "Do atheists claim to know that there is no god?", above.

There is this definition I found in Oxford dictionary, football is said to be religion.

With that, I don't see how atheism isn't religion

FOLYKAZE:


Now that we know what atheism is. Do you care to tell us what you mean by God, considering the fact that the word God is a vague word that could mean different thing to different people. Nuclearboy in one of his post define God as any being or thing that is been worship. He went ahead in his post saying that worship means acknowledging one's worth. As for prayer, he said it mean petition. Therefore, going by his definition, God could be human or the the in your backyard.

Don't let us go western, orisha in Yoruba is God. We both know that the twin brother down your streets are orisha. As a conscious being, you are an orisha which equate all of us as a living and existing God.

God, in the general term. The very intelligent, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient guy in the sky - who take people to heaven with him to worship him for eternity, and burn those who dont believe in him in hell forever.

Any other definition of god you have is not referred to in the FAQ.

FOLYKAZE:
I have seen in one of your post and that of pattern where you both admit that energy is God. . . . . To science thought, you are both correct. But we know that energy exist.

I never admitted that energy is god.

I dont know who "pattern" is.

What I said to anyone concerning energy is that there must be a material that is eternal, from which everything came, to which everything return. This stuff is not intelligent and does not need intelligence to change.

I never used the word "God". God is a state of nihility to me.

FOLYKAZE:
So if God could be a tag or label or perception through which some people view natural world, would you still disbelief in God?

If god is just a label, why are we still talking about belief or disbelief? Sounds like god mean more to you!

FOLYKAZE:
In Yoruba, the entire is this goddess called orisha Ile. She is popularly called mother earth in the other part of world. She is been called different name but worship as one in different culture across the world. And this goddess is nothing but our planet earth.

Whatever...

FOLYKAZE:
So going by your definition, would you say that god does not exist?

Yep, definitely. Planet earth is no god to me, its just planet earth, ok?

FOLYKAZE:
Does human, nature and universe been referred to as God mean they don't exist because your definition says otherwise?

You can't make an argument this way. You don't just give your own definition to stuff and use it your own way, and expect people to agree with you. This is a logical fallacy.

FOLYKAZE:
If the word god is not definite, atheism either strong or weak is not worth discussing

Yea...

FOLYKAZE:
Does atheism have anything to do with spiritualism? I believe spiritualism begat science.

People also believe a lot of things. What you should know now is that belief systems do not matter.

FOLYKAZE:
The strong atheist who attest that he knows there is no God should provide evidence that there is nothing like god

Is there a pig that flies?

FOLYKAZE:
Like I told Pastoraio, there must be always a cause to a happening. That cause is what some refer to as God the creator. A universe from nothing is logical fallacy. That something that caused the bang is the God. You atheist look away from this first cause because it is called God.

Every one agrees to a cause, or series of causes. What this cause is, is what causes disagreement. No one is talking about a universe from nothing. If you understand "nothing" from physics point of view, you'd realize that there is no "nothing". There is always something getting made and destroyed.

FOLYKAZE:
Does atheism have anything to do with ghost, spirit, alien and magic?

Really?

FOLYKAZE:
There is this definition I found in Oxford dictionary, football is said to be religion.

With that, I don't see how atheism isn't religion

Is not believing that pigs can fly a religion?

GooseBaba:
It's quite sad that most african atheist are powering their atheistic views through an european perspective and perceptions. Most if not all atheist debunk the god concepts through the dogmas of foreign religion and scared text.

The mysteries of our existence is intertwine with our history.. According to, my ancestoral teachings. Man desire to know God is to understand the cosmo and make peace on one hand and on the other hand understand his fellow man and make peace." God to my ancestors was knowledge. Do I turn around and say God does not exist because european authors wrote it from a scholarly perspective.

Mind you present day influence on atheistic knowledge is to promote a supremacist ideology. You as an African atheist who do you quote to define intellect... A bunch of european intellectuals.. Where does that put you in the scheme of our collective realities..

Africans can lead too..! Stop all this follow follow..

You know, if Google it, you'd find a lot of Black intellectuals who are atheists and Black intellectual materials on atheism.

What I cannot guarantee you is if any of those are directly related to Africa. Africans are lost in the past, lost to the white christ, lost to religion.

ooman:


God, in the general term. The very intelligent, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient guy in the sky - who take people to heaven with him to worship him for eternity, and burn those who dont believe in him in hell forever.

Out of thousands of conception, you have manage to provide just only one conception of God. I understand you might not believe in the above conception of God but if I may ask again what is your stance with other conceptions of God?

Looking into the dictionary, I found some definition with which Fela, Logicboy, Obama, Einstein and pharaoh as God. From the definition, they are not only adored and revered, they are admired and very influencial. That alone make them God. . . . . .(in accordance with my dictionary).

I even look into the bible. . . .men are gods. Judges and rulers are too. I found out that money which is been worship too is a god (orisha aje). There is this popular saying, money is the god of our age.

To a natural pantheist, the sun, stone, water just name it are god.

In yoruba sprituality; very much a Panpsychism holds that everything is conscious (has ori). The basic Idea is that you just replace consciousness with 'god'. Therefore, it becomes Orisha (A god).

I dont want us to view this from a standpoint. We can take a walk to dictionary, have some fun from bible and return back home into our spirituality. Our aim is to find 'god' - well we found many gods.

So tell me sir, if atheism is define as disbelieve in the existence of god, then would you tell us that gods - logicboy, yourself, natural entities, planetary bodies, money and consciousness does not exist?

ooman:

Any other definition of god you have is not referred to in the FAQ.

cherry picking and shifting pole for a good shot??

ooman:

I never admitted that energy is god.

I dont know who "pattern" is.

What I said to anyone concerning energy is that there must be a material that is eternal, from which everything came, to which everything return. This stuff is not intelligent and does not need intelligence to change.

I never used the word "God". God is a state of nihility to me.

Na my auto completion write pattern, I met to write plaetton. Sorry.

Well to plaetton, energy is God the creator. And to you, it is eternal either as matter or whatever; but it is not intelligent. I learnt everything including we are made up of energy and we are sapiens. . . .so how come? That for that.

If energy in matter and vice versa can be alpha and omega- read rev chapter 1, does that not make it God?

Do you disbelieve in God(energy)?

Before you answer, decipher on this http://freethoughtnation.com/defining-the-concept-of-god-as-energy/ .

Now do answer pls, do you disbelieve in God (energy)?

ooman:

If god is just a label, why are we still talking about belief or disbelief? Sounds like god mean more to you!

"I hate presidents." It is nobody's name but a title, tag or label. So you can ask me what I mean by and referring to as president.

Love is God. . . . .do you disbelieve in love?

ooman:

Whatever...

Venus is a roman God too

ooman:

Yep, definitely. Planet earth is no god to me, its just planet earth, ok?

Lets talk about Gaia. She is a goddes. Do you disbelieve in her existence?

ooman:

You can't make an argument this way. You don't just give your own definition to stuff and use it your own way, and expect people to agree with you. This is a logical fallacy.

Not my definitions sir.

Humans are gods according to dictionary and bible.

Nature is god. Read about Mother Earth.

Universe is god to pantheists.

So how is the definition mine?

ooman:

Yea...

People also believe a lot of things. What you should know now is that belief systems do not matter.

Sorry, knowing of knowledge is also a belief. Justified belief though.

ooman:

Is there a pig that flies?

Who claim that pig flies?

Strong atheist admit and claim there is no god. We can also ask them to prove there is NO god.

ooman:

Every one agrees to a cause, or series of causes. What this cause is, is what causes disagreement. No one is talking about a universe from nothing. If you understand "nothing" from physics point of view, you'd realize that there is no "nothing". There is always something getting made and destroyed.

actually not energy, the god. Cannot be destroyed. . . .omnipotent God.

ooman:

Really?

is this an answer to my question?

ooman:

Is not believing that pigs can fly a religion?

red herring!!!!!!!

My oxford dictionary says football is a religion.

I cants see how atheism isnt.

FOLYKAZE:

So tell me sir, if atheism is define as disbelieve in the existence of god, then would you tell us that gods - logicboy, yourself, natural entities, planetary bodies, money and consciousness does not exist?

I have already defined the god atheists disbelieve. Whatever definition of god you have apart from this is your own head ache.

FOLYKAZE:


Na my auto completion write pattern, I met to write plaetton. Sorry.

Well to plaetton, energy is God the creator. And to you, it is eternal either as matter or whatever; but it is not intelligent. I learnt everything including we are made up of energy and we are sapiens. . . .so how come? That for that.

If energy in matter and vice versa can be alpha and omega- read rev chapter 1, does that not make it God?

Do you disbelieve in God(energy)?

Before you answer, decipher on this http://freethoughtnation.com/defining-the-concept-of-god-as-energy/ .

Now do answer pls, do you disbelieve in God (energy)?

Yes. Energy is energy, god is god. If you want to worship energy as god, then I will still disbelieve in your god because energy is never to be worshiped. You can as well start worshiping a tree and expect me to share your (silly) beliefs.

FOLYKAZE:
Love is God. . . . .do you disbelieve in love?

No, but I disbelief in love being god. I separate love from god.

FOLYKAZE:
Lets talk about Gaia. She is a goddes. Do you disbelieve in her existence?

Yes

FOLYKAZE:
Not my definitions sir.

Humans are gods according to dictionary and bible.

Nature is god. Read about Mother Earth.

Universe is god to pantheists.

So how is the definition mine?

These are all beliefs.

FOLYKAZE:
Sorry, knowing of knowledge is also a belief. Justified belief though.

I see you have problems understanding the meaning of knowledge and belief.

FOLYKAZE:

Who claim that pig flies?

Strong atheist admit and claim there is no god. We can also ask them to prove there is NO god.

I can also ask you to prove pigs dont fly.

FOLYKAZE:
actually not energy, the god. Cannot be destroyed. . . .omnipotent God.

There is no god.

FOLYKAZE:

red herring!!!!!!!

My oxford dictionary says football is a religion.

I cants see how atheism isnt.

Read your dictionary again. I am sure it didnt say "football is a religion" as you said it, but that it can be a religion depending on the fan.

Atheism is a lack, football is an involvement. So both follows different path, you cannot therefore compare both.

If not believing that pigs can fly is not a religion, not believing that a god exist is not either.

ooman:


I have already defined the god atheists disbelieve. Whatever definition of god you have apart from this is your own head ache.

My headache? Hmmmmmm when lets do this with some respect.

I acknowledge that your definition of God is of one conception. But this does not remove the fact that there are other conceptions of God. I have done my best to bring out at least four conceptions from dictionary, bible and african spirutality but it seem you want to evade my points.

So pls sir, my question begs for answer. . . ..

Eisnten, logicboy, Fela and Obama are gods

My definition is gotten from http://www.google.com/m?q=what+is+god

3. an adored, admired, or influential person.

and

John 10:34

Jesus replied, "It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, 'I say, you are gods!'

You had jesus calling humans god.


The fact is God as you defined it is understandable that you might not believe in it. But this is also God defined in another conception. Do you disbelieve in their existence?

ooman:

Yes. Energy is energy, god is god. If you want to worship energy as god, then I will still disbelieve in your god because energy is never to be worshiped. You can as well start worshiping a tree and expect me to share your (silly) beliefs.

Dont be aggresive sire. You have your mindset. . . . I know that.

Let me take this above one after the other.

- Energy is God. Do you care to read the link I added to my previous post? It provide more prove that energy is God.

1. Plaetton admits energy is the creator and not created.

2. You admit it is alpha and omega (eternal).

3. It is all powerful and cannot be destroyed.

4. The bible say the 'word' creates everything. Could this mean sound energy? Like one from the bang? And the word is GOD. Therefore energy is GOD.


- Atheists like you worship energy. You can understand this if you look away from seeing worship as bowing down in churches and mosques. Worship simply mean acknowedging the worth of person or something. Worship is a part of life. If you dont acknowledge the worth and value of energy, you then seem to be abnormal. So mister, you worship energy.

- I worship my herbs. My granddad gave them to me for medication. It is very sacred because I value and know it worth. Iroko is a God.

So Mr, do you disbelieve in the existence of God (Energy and tree - matter)?

ooman:

No, but I disbelief in love being god. I separate love from god.

The bible says it is God.

You believe in it existence. It affected your atheism stance. How would you balance this?

ooman:

Yes

Meaning earth does not exist? Mehn you are something else.

ooman:

These are all beliefs.

Nope. It is basice concept.

ooman:

I see you have problems understanding the meaning of knowledge and belief.

Knowledge is a justified believe. This is simple philosophy

ooman:

I can also ask you to prove pigs dont fly.

Wait till I claim if pid can fly.

Until then, strong atheist have to prove there is no god.

ooman:

There is no god.

You said there is always something getting made and destoyed which is wrong because energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

That first cause is God. . . .energy.

ooman:

Read your dictionary again. I am sure it didnt say "football is a religion" as you said it, but that it can be a religion depending on the fan.

Atheism is a lack, football is an involvement. So both follows different path, you cannot therefore compare both.

If not believing that pigs can fly is not a religion, not believing that a god exist is not either.

Not again. . . .have you checked the meaning from Oxford dictionary, sixth edition? So why are you framing things up?

A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion is a religion.

GooseBaba:
According to, my ancestoral teachings. Man desire to know God is to understand the cosmo and make peace on one hand and on the other hand understand his fellow man and make peace." God to my ancestors was knowledge.

Your ancestors must have been up to something because I'm starting to feel the same way.

You're not going to achieve anything by talking to Folly. He's on my troll list and will be on yours too. Just give it some time. He hasn't yet unleashed the full power of his silliness yet.

This Folly person once told me that GEJ, the Nigerian president is God, according to the dictionary. He then proceeded to tell me that GEJ possesses another God called Ori Apesin, bringing the total number of Gods inside GEJ to 2. His wife also possesses this Ori thing, and she is a God too, according to the dictionary, so at any given point, there are no less than FOUR Gods locked behind the doors of the presidential chambers.

FOLYKAZE:
A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion is a religion.

Atheism is not followed with "great devotion", its just a lack of belief. Not swimming can also be said to be followed with great devotion.

Knowledge is facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject. Awareness or familiarity gained by experience of a fact or situation.
That is gotten by simply googling "meaning of knowldge". Perhaps you can do the same before you show your ignorance about definitions.

Your experience cannot be a belief anymore, because you now know.

If you dont believe pigs can fly, and dont feel like proving it, why are you asking me for proof that gods dont exist?

Ok, all those things like love etc that you are calling god are abstracts, like god, they are not real. So beliefs do not still matter, they are not just real. Ok?

Weah96:
You're not going to achieve anything by talking to Folly. He's on my troll list and will be on yours too. Just give it some time. He hasn't yet unleashed the full power of his silliness yet.

This Folly person once told me that GEJ, the Nigerian president is God, according to the dictionary. He then proceeded to tell me that GEJ possesses another God called Ori Apesin, bringing the total number of Gods inside GEJ to 2. His wife also possesses this Ori thing, and she is a God too, according to the dictionary, so at any given point, there are no less than FOUR Gods locked behind the doors of the presidential chambers.

The guy is more of an occupational hazard.

I dont even think he can take himself any seriously than any other person would.

ooman:




The guy is more of an occupational hazard.

I dont even think he can take himself any seriously than any other person would.

He doesn't mind presenting absurdity as rationality. The iPhone is God, too according to him, because it happens to be a very influential thing. If you follow his logic, or lack thereof, you will soon realize that there is no limit to what can be God. Even your favorite pillow or pair of shoes can be God.

Weah96:


He doesn't mind presenting absurdity as rationality. The iPhone is God, too according to him, because it happens to be a very influential thing. If you follow his logic, or lack thereof, you will soon realize that there is no limit to what can be God. Even your favorite pillow or pair of shoes can be God.

smh.

ooman:


Atheism is not followed with "great devotion", its just a lack of belief. Not swimming can also be said to be followed with great devotion.

Knowledge is facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject. Awareness or familiarity gained by experience of a fact or situation.
That is gotten by simply googling "meaning of knowldge". Perhaps you can do the same before you show your ignorance about definitions.

Your experience cannot be a belief anymore, because you now know.

If you dont believe pigs can fly, and dont feel like proving it, why are you asking me for proof that gods dont exist?

Ok, all those things like love etc that you are calling god are abstracts, like god, they are not real. So beliefs do not still matter, they are not just real. Ok?

You just choose to ignore the whole post and choose this only? Na wa o. . . . .

Militant atheist have a strong devotion to their cause.

You are not better than plato that said knowledge is a justified belief.

"Plato's dialogue Theaetetus, philosophy has traditionally defined knowledge as " justified true belief". The relationship between belief and knowledge is that a belief is knowledge if the belief is true, and if the believer has a justification (reasonable and necessarily plausible assertions/evidence/guidance) for believing it is true."

^^ http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief

You present logical fallacy everytime. You were the one that said burden of prove is on the claimant. You were the one that said strong atheist proclaim there is NO god. So they have to prove their claim. And where did I mentioned that pig fly? You brought it. . . .so tell me tales I want to hear. The fact is that strong atheists should prove non existence of God.



Atheism is nothing but nosies when God is ill-defined.

You make me wonder if God should only be seen through western scope. Are the west only human on earth?

God is defined as influecial person, you refused to touch this. God is defined as ruler, you refused to touch this. I have shown you how energy is God providing links and reasons, yet you turn blind to this.

So am I the one that defined God as influenical person? It is there in your dictionary - God as influencial person. So if you disbelieve in God, does that mean you dont believe in the existence of influencial personailities?

In Yoruba spirituality, each individual has Ori which make us Orisha. I am a God and you are too. As an atheist, will you claim you dont believe in your existence?

You can alwats try to avoid the obvious. When god is defined and when other conception of God other than christianity and Islam surface, then atheism becomes a nonsensical stance

FOLYKAZE:


You just choose to ignore the whole post and choose this only? Na wa o. . . . .

Militant atheist have a strong devotion to their cause.

You are not better than plato that said knowledge is a justified belief.

"Plato's dialogue Theaetetus, philosophy has traditionally defined knowledge as " justified true belief". The relationship between belief and knowledge is that a belief is knowledge if the belief is true, and if the believer has a justification (reasonable and necessarily plausible assertions/evidence/guidance) for believing it is true."

^^ http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief

You present logical fallacy everytime. You were the one that said burden of prove is on the claimant. You were the one that said strong atheist proclaim there is NO god. So they have to prove their claim. And where did I mentioned that pig fly? You brought it. . . .so tell me tales I want to hear. The fact is that strong atheists should prove non existence of God.



Atheism is nothing but nosies when God is ill-defined.

You make me wonder if God should only be seen through western scope. Are the west only human on earth?

God is defined as influecial person, you refused to touch this. God is defined as ruler, you refused to touch this. I have shown you how energy is God providing links and reasons, yet you turn blind to this.

So am I the one that defined God as influenical person? It is there in your dictionary - God as influencial person. So if you disbelieve in God, does that mean you dont believe in the existence of influencial personailities?

In Yoruba spirituality, each individual has Ori which make us Orisha. I am a God and you are too. As an atheist, will you claim you dont believe in your existence?

You can alwats try to avoid the obvious. When god is defined and when other conception of God other than christianity and Islam surface, then atheism becomes a nonsensical stance

This is what i posted in another topic i think you can answer it.

There are so many unanswered
questions in the Bible about God, his
nature and his work. How is it
possible for God to foreknow the
future? How is it possible for a being
to never learn anything, and to
always and forever exist as three-
in-one without ever growing
incrementally into something more
and more complex? How is it
possible for there to exist a being
who is 100% man and 100% God with
every essential attribute necessary
for both? Why was his death on the
cross necessary before God could
forgive sins? What does it mean for
Jesus, as part of the Godhead, to
intercede on our behalf with God the
Father, another part of the Godhead?

godsgift233:


This is what i posted in another topic i think you can answer it.

There are so many unanswered
questions in the Bible about God, his
nature and his work. How is it
possible for God to foreknow the
future? How is it possible for a being
to never learn anything, and to
always and forever exist as three-
in-one without ever growing
incrementally into something more
and more complex? How is it
possible for there to exist a being
who is 100% man and 100% God with
every essential attribute necessary
for both? Why was his death on the
cross necessary before God could
forgive sins? What does it mean for
Jesus, as part of the Godhead, to
intercede on our behalf with God the
Father, another part of the Godhead?

Seriously this question should be directed to christians. You also should use Yahweh not God becayse we humans are God but I dont see your question tuning with God defined as human.


Thanks

FOLYKAZE:


Seriously this question should be directed to christians. You also should use Yahweh not God becayse we humans are God but I dont see your question tuning with God defined as human.


Thanks

And what are you??

godsgift233:


And what are you??

He is God. Aren't you paying attention? I'm not bullsh)itting, btw, the man believes that he is a God.

Weah96:


He is God. Aren't you paying attention? I'm not bullsh)itting, btw, the man believes that he is a God.

hmmm. yeah if he feels xo.. he can see himself as one..


god definition....
noun (plural gods) 1. A deity. 2. An idol. 3. (metaphor) A person in a high position of authority; a powerful ruler or tyrant. 4. An exceedingly handsome man.

godsgift233:



hmmm. yeah if he feels xo.. he can see himself as one..


god definition....
noun (plural gods) 1. A deity. 2. An idol. 3. (metaphor) A person in a high position of authority; a powerful ruler or tyrant. 4. An exceedingly handsome man.

That is not the end of it. He also has another God called Ori something in his person, bringing the total number of Gods in Folly to 2, and counting. You're talking to TWO Gods in one username.

godsgift233:


And what are you??

folykaze. . .

godsgift233:



hmmm. yeah if he feels xo.. he can see himself as one..


god definition....
noun (plural gods) 1. A deity. 2. An idol. 3. (metaphor) A person in a high position of authority; a powerful ruler or tyrant. 4. An exceedingly handsome man.

let me add

3. an adored, admired, or influential person.




They will turn blind eye to these defintions.



Thakns for bringing it up to them

Weah96:


That is not the end of it. He also has another God called Ori something in his person, bringing the total number of Gods in Folly to 2, and counting. You're talking to TWO Gods in one username.

lol

Weah96:


That is not the end of it. He also has another God called Ori something in his person, bringing the total number of Gods in Folly to 2, and counting. You're talking to TWO Gods in one username.

I do not want to honor you with a reply but not when you post lies and twist my statement all to nail me.

I choose to ignore you then because you understand little thing about Yoruba terminologies and spirituality. I have given you enough chance of gathering information on your own so stick to your adamancy.

Well for the sake of others you are trying hard to misform, I will provide them with correct information I was passing.

Ori in Yoruba literally mean head but in the philosophical aspect, it mean consciousness. Ori in it totality is an object of worship base on the common ori la ba bo saying among Yoruba people. This is why Ori is the first “Orisa” to be praised, it is the one that guides, accompanies and helps the person since before birth, during all life and after death. With Ori, one is Orisha (God) because Yoruba people believe everything posseses some degree of consciousness; also that conscious things are God. Therefore Orisa is a God. Orisa means nothing but God. So GEJ and myself are God.

Ori apesin, one who is worthy of worship by many.

It is just like saying Cake and Hot-cake. It is still the same entity though property might be different. A dead lion is still a lion. Simple analogy.

So tell me sir, are many people not praising Jonathan today? Is he not worthy of worship?

Or maybe you think worship is all about going to church. . . . . Oga Ade, knowing the worth or value of money is also money worshipping. Praising Ronaldo is worshipping.

So get that into yur thick head instead of twisting my words for your own bigotry.