nlMediator:

I support the sale of the tapes primarily because it is more likely to elicit listenership. It is basic human nature that people do not properly value what they get free of charge. I know an RCCG pastor who places CDs for free distribution at an African grocery store. I think I picked one or two copies but never listened to them. These days, I don't bother picking any even when I see them lying there. Chances are higher, though not 100%, that I'd have listened if I paid for it.
Selling a CD is not selling the gospel nor is it making merchandise of people. If that were the case, nobody should sell the Bible even for a small profit. Paul was talking about individuals making money. CD sales go to the ministry and the money used to support activities of the church including other costs of the CD that you omitted, such as salaries for those that produce and distribute the CDs, if they're not volunteers. Not to mention the cost of maintaining the buildings, which is not always fully covered by offerings.
Even if the money goes to the individual pastor, eg a pastor that's just starting his work, I don't think its wrong. It costs money and time to buy resources that help in studying for the message. Without compensation, the quality of the message on CDs is likely to suffer as little investment is made. The pastor would have to spend more time at a secular job to pay his bills. I'd prefer richer messages that are paid for than free watery messages that are less meaningful.
My personal beef is only with pastors or ministries that charge excessively for the materials. I saw a Branch of a Nigerian church here selling a DVD for $20. Same copy that came from Nigeria and obviously sells for far less there. In fact, I was surprised to see you could get CDs for about $1 equivalent in Nigeria, though I'm not sure of the price of DVDs there. High price defeats the purpose of getting the people feed on the message and grow spiritually.

your personal experience is not God truth in da word n all i can say is u sure hv a big problem and only God can help u.

So, what is 'God truth' in this matter?

flourishG:
your personal experience is not God truth in da word n all i can say is u sure hv a big problem and only God can help u.

flourishG:
your personal experience is not God truth in da word n all i can say is u sure hv a big problem and only God can help u.

Starting the new year with insults already? Not even a modicum of self-restraint? And you're busy bothering yourself about who needs help?

vooks:
Here is what I have observed
1. Unnecessary splitting of messages into several DVDS to make a 'series'. A 2 hour sermon that can comfortably sit on a dvd is split into 40 minutes bits,a set of 3 DVDS sold of course at the price of 3.

2. Most of the DVDS are bought by people who watched the pastor live. These are the same members who support ministry and as such there is no need to profit from them

3. Charging for DVDS is one step away from charging for Live sermons

4. Selling merchandise is always restrictive;fewer benefit. Don't tell me that 'mature' believers know the value of the message exceeds the cost

Personally, I favor the open source approach like Linux. I can download at. My expense a Hirens Boot CD and burn it but ordering a CD costs me. In short, free resources but believers pay the small cost of distribution.

Cc
NLMediator
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esere826

I do not support excessive costs of messages, whether by splitting them or placing a high price. However, sometimes messages are better broken into smaller bits for easy digestion.

That fewer benefit is not sufficient reason to distribute the CDs freely and see even much fewer benefit. There could be a system for helping those who cannot afford the messages, including maintaining a library, tape lending service, or fund dedicated to that purpose with contributions from rich members.

These days when Joel Osteen writes a book, he sends free copies to members. It does not stop him from selling to others. Or to members who want additional copies for whatever purpose.

My broda,
Freebies are more likely to be ignored I agree. Am for minimal cost and anywhere in the world, that's under USD 0.5. Making a killing out of the tendency to despise freebies is just not IT.

You don't need one continuous sermon running into 3 hours, but you can have the parts/sessions all in one dvd

nlMediator:


I do not support excessive costs of messages, whether by splitting them or placing a high price. However, sometimes messages are better broken into smaller bits for easy digestion.

That fewer benefit is not sufficient reason to distribute the CDs freely and see even much fewer benefit. There could be a system for helping those who cannot afford the messages, including maintaining a library, tape lending service, or fund dedicated to that purpose with contributions from rich members.

These days when Joel Osteen writes a book, he sends free copies to members. It does not stop him from selling to others. Or to members who want additional copies for whatever purpose.

nlMediator:
^^^
I don't appreciate a conflation of issues in discussions. Doing charity or social services is not part of this discussion. Let's stay focused.

1. Do you believe that those who translate and publish a version of the Bible should sell it or should give all the copies away for free?

2. Are you suggesting that Catholic priests who write books do not sell those books? Hint: they do.

3. I have good friends who are Catholic priests and good friends who are pastors. On average, the catholic priests enjoy a higher quality of life. Nice car. Nice residence. Some change in pocket. And I'm not talking of those who are fairly wealthy, owning a house or investment, as those may be considered an aberration. Nor am I mentioning the bishops that built or maintained palaces for themselves as official residences.

When was the last time you saw a catholic priest jumping a molue?

The bold got me cracking my ribs, I've not seen a catholic priest jumping a molue. They are well catered for by the catholic church.

flourishG:
your personal experience is not God truth in da word n all i can say is u sure hv a big problem and only God can help u.

So CD's are written in your bible? See ignorance per excellence. If you don't have any reasonable thing to say why not keep quiet and learn.Must you comment?

vooks:
Here is what I have observed
1. Unnecessary splitting of messages into several DVDS to make a 'series'. A 2 hour sermon that can comfortably sit on a dvd is split into 40 minutes bits,a set of 3 DVDS sold of course at the price of 3.

2. Most of the DVDS are bought by people who watched the pastor live. These are the same members who support ministry and as such there is no need to profit from them

3. Charging for DVDS is one step away from charging for Live sermons

4. Selling merchandise is always restrictive;fewer benefit. Don't tell me that 'mature' believers know the value of the message exceeds the cost

Personally, I favor the open source approach like Linux. I can download at. My expense a Hirens Boot CD and burn it but ordering a CD costs me. In short, free resources but believers pay the small cost of distribution.

Cc
NLMediator
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esere826

1. Unnecessary splitting is of course unnecessary. Though some people like/prefer to hear or be taught in bits like nlm has said.
2. Buying should not be by force. People buy for different reasons. To share with a friend, colleague, 'evangelism', for further and future purpose, for those that missed the service etc.
3. Charging for live sermons is not charging for dvds.
4. Selling takes the messages far, and those who buy usually share with me for free, lol.
I don't think as many people know about these open source methods, how to go about it, etc as compared to their ease of straight forward getting it with money. At least not here in Nigeria where Internet speed and data bundles are more of favour from God Himself. Another thing is, if the churches don't sell, others will. They will package dvds, shirts, caps, books that you can't recall writing, umbrella etc live. And they will even sell it in front of your church to your members after church service, and in bookstores nationwide.

Image123,
1. One can listen to bits if the sermon is broken down to as many bits and all are recorded on ONE DVD. So preferences have nothing to do with burning several DVDS. Good point though.

2. Buying is never by force as far as I am concerned. And it need not. There is a thirst for the word I hope,it is cashing in on this that I detest. Whenever the government or not-for-profit organisations want to reach out to the masses, they go cheap or free be it condoms or mosquito nets and polio vaccines. Only on NL do I hear that expensive disperses further and wider.

3. What's the difference? You receive a revelation and the first Christian instinct is to share it. You are comfortable sharing it to hundreds for free but you have the urge to charge to take it further?

4. Open source concept is simple; the software is free but the user pays for distributing it. Just charge COST for the messages which is next to nil. Why should you copy profiteers? Imagine Peter discovering that guys are actually willing to pay him so he can lay hands on them. Would he be justified in accepting their payments?

Image123:

1. Unnecessary splitting is of course unnecessary. Though some people like/prefer to hear or be taught in bits like nlm has said.
2. Buying should not be by force. People buy for different reasons. To share with a friend, colleague, 'evangelism', for further and future purpose, for those that missed the service etc.
3. Charging for live sermons is not charging for dvds.
4. Selling takes the messages far, and those who buy usually share with me for free, lol.
I don't think as many people know about these open source methods, how to go about it, etc as compared to their ease of straight forward getting it with money. At least not here in Nigeria where Internet speed and data bundles are more of favour from God Himself. Another thing is, if the churches don't sell, others will. They will package dvds, shirts, caps, books that you can't recall writing, umbrella etc live. And they will even sell it in front of your church to your members after church service, and in bookstores nationwide.

vooks:
Here is what I have observed
1. Unnecessary splitting of messages into several DVDS to make a 'series'. A 2 hour sermon that can comfortably sit on a dvd is split into 40 minutes bits,a set of 3 DVDS sold of course at the price of 3.

I think a pastor once said something about god giving you the ability to sell even sand
The splitting of the message is simply to make more money
its a normal business model like Star wars and Harry Porter franchise

2. Most of the DVDS are bought by people who watched the pastor live. These are the same members who support ministry and as such there is no need to profit from them

you've got a point about the sermons being bought by folks who already support the ministry so why profit from them
But capitalists dont think that way.
Unlike the Lagos State gove that gave free bus rides during the festive season
a capitalist would rather hike the price during that period

3. Charging for DVDS is one step away from charging for Live sermons

I hear it is already being done on new years day in some churches
I am not a tither although I do tithe sometimes, but the model I use in giving to my church most times is paying for my seat and another persons seat at cinema rate
We might soon come to this. I also hear some jewish synagogues do this

4. Selling merchandise is always restrictive;fewer benefit. Don't tell me that 'mature' believers know the value of the message exceeds the cost

We all need to understand that the gospel of wealth would require people to pay for it. Its no shakabum spell from God
its simply the ability of one to take money from another, and in some instances, selling sand as something pricey

From my own chritian perspective, i hold no grudge against pastoral capitalists
as long as they can act like a typical woman ..who marries for love, children, security and money at the same time
but at least strongly believe that it is all and only for love

Personally, I favor the open source approach like Linux. I can download at. My expense a Hirens Boot CD and burn it but ordering a CD costs me. In short, free resources but believers pay the small cost of distribution.

when david was hungry he ate priests bread
if a congregant is hungry for the word but thinks the pastor is a greedy bloke
then probably pirate the work but no sell am o
if dem catch u, you are on ya own

Yes, of course it cost money to burn CDs, DVDs and print books.
No one doubts that.
But do churches and pastors not already collect money from members through offerings, seed sowing, tithing, and even voluntary donations?

Again, it all comes back to accountability. If these pastors are accountable to their flock, as they rightfully should be, the various monies collected ( or extorted) from the flock would be judiciously spend for all church activities that include passing and spreading the message, as well as administrative costs.

This is easy and possible if at all times both the pastor and the flock know how much money they have in church coffers.

In a real church, a church not set up for the profit of fraudsters, monthly financial balance sheets that includes the allowances for the pastor, are given to members.

I suspect that the reason that most of you ignore this issue of accountability is because of the culture of impunity and fraud that prevail in the Pentecostal movement in Nigeria, which I am guessing that some of you might be beneficiaries.

vooks:
Here is what I have observed
1. Unnecessary splitting of messages into several DVDS to make a 'series'. A 2 hour sermon that can comfortably sit on a dvd is split into 40 minutes bits,a set of 3 DVDS sold of course at the price of 3.

2. Most of the DVDS are bought by people who watched the pastor live. These are the same members who support ministry and as such there is no need to profit from them

3. Charging for DVDS is one step away from charging for Live sermons

4. Selling merchandise is always restrictive;fewer benefit. Don't tell me that 'mature' believers know the value of the message exceeds the cost

Personally, I favor the open source approach like Linux. I can download at. My expense a Hirens Boot CD and burn it but ordering a CD costs me. In short, free resources but believers pay the small cost of distribution.

Cc
NLMediator
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esere826

Errr what's the difference? Listening to the message is free, making a personal record is not prohibited, duplicating someone else's copy is not prohibited. If you want it on media you pay. But seriously there are DVD sets for $50?

vooks:
Image123,
1. One can listen to bits if the sermon is broken down to as many bits and all are recorded on ONE DVD. So preferences have nothing to do with burning several DVDS. Good point though.

Unnecessary splitting is of course unnecessary.

2. Buying is never by force as far as I am concerned. And it need not. There is a thirst for the word I hope,it is cashing in on this that I detest. Whenever the government or not-for-profit organisations want to reach out to the masses, they go cheap or free be it condoms or mosquito nets and polio vaccines. Only on NL do I hear that expensive disperses further and wider.

Yes, i also do not like cashing in in this context. Like nlm and others have said, production and salaries cost money. Note that i am justifying a just sale, not irreconcilable gain. Making CDs and DVDs cost some money, so also the purchase and licensing. those monies have to come from somewhere. Some subsidize if there are generous and able donors in the background. What you call free and cheap is actually subsidy, paid heavily for by someone else. Sales of sermons do not have to be EXPENSIVE, i didn't imply expensive but sold.

3. What's the difference? You receive a revelation and the first Christian instinct is to share it. You are comfortable sharing it to hundreds for free but you have the urge to charge to take it further?

There is an obvious genuine purpose for charging for dvds, they cost more. It is not really the sermon or the message that is being sold i suppose. It is the DVD that contains the sermons.

4. Open source concept is simple; the software is free but the user pays for distributing it. Just charge COST for the messages which is next to nil. Why should you copy profiteers? Imagine Peter discovering that guys are actually willing to pay him so he can lay hands on them. Would he be justified in accepting their payments?

Again, i don't think as many people know about these open source methods, how to go about it, etc as compared to their ease of straight forward getting it with money. While it may be simple to you and you know about softwares and co, not many are as tech-savvy as you are. The majority of the people that i know here in Nigeria cannot buy a computer or a phone on their own, many cannot open a facebook account or email account without the help of another. i'm talking about the majority of people that actually spend monies to buy dvds etc. Then theree is a MAJOR problem with internet here in Nigeria. Internet to stream or download is NOT for everybody, both speed and data as considerations. Even if i put a dvd on open source for instance. One would need maybe at least 50mb - 200mb to download one message. The data gets much more if the video quality is good/high. Most Nigerians would rather buy a dvd than download 200mb or more, that's if the speed/network is even there. Again, when you mention profiteers, you refer to excessive profits and high prices. i simply refer to basic cost price and selling price. Nobody is selling the Holy Ghost or salvation, neither can they. What is sold is physical services rendered in production and editing and studio work.

vooks:
Image123,
1. One can listen to bits if the sermon is broken down to as many bits and all are recorded on ONE DVD. So preferences have nothing to do with burning several DVDS. Good point though.
2. Buying is never by force as far as I am concerned. And it need not. There is a thirst for the word I hope,it is cashing in on this that I detest. Whenever the government or not-for-profit organisations want to reach out to the masses, they go cheap or free be it condoms or mosquito nets and polio vaccines. Only on NL do I hear that expensive disperses further and wider.
3. What's the difference? You receive a revelation and the first Christian instinct is to share it. You are comfortable sharing it to hundreds for free but you have the urge to charge to take it further?
4. Open source concept is simple; the software is free but the user pays for distributing it. Just charge COST for the messages which is next to nil. Why should you copy profiteers? Imagine Peter discovering that guys are actually willing to pay him so he can lay hands on them. Would he be justified in accepting their payments?

You're putting words in people's mouth. Nobody said expensive disperses farther and wider. There's a big difference between non-free and expensive.

Paying for healing and paying for a message on CD are miles apart. The pastor is not selling his gift.

And you need to ask Aid workers to tell you about the challenges they face with polio vaccines and other forms of assistance. In several places, like Northern Nigeria, they're rejected by the people they're intended for, as the people are fed with one conspiracy story or another. People that willingly purchase medicines or take their kids to clinics would suddenly stay away from Aid workers because they hear that the vaccines are a stealth effort to sterilize them! In East Africa, nutritious baby formula was branded as poor people's food and nobody wanted to collect it, to avoid the stigma. That's not say that humanitarian work should cease. Only that you're not presenting the full picture. And if Aid workers find a more effective way, they'd probably explore it. I was talking the other day with a US government official who said US aid to Africa was about (free) food and medicines while in Eastern Europe, it was about legal and institutional structures for economic development. Years later, he found on his recent visit that places like Albania were thriving while Africa is still languishing. So, now he's spearheading a different form of Aid.

Your emphasis on online distribution shows you're not familiar at all with the economy and state of technology in Africa. Simply put, it'll cost the recipients more to download long messages than to purchase or share CDs. And more time-consuming too. Time is money! Perhaps, you're limiting that option to the richer countries.

We can find ways of subsidizing the cost of CDs without making them free for all. Because they cost real money to produce, not just 5 cents for an empty CD.

Just about every other ministry have a website which cost next to nil to run. Then you have youtube. What is the big deal with availing the sermons through these channels?
They are afraid that if they sold what is available freely, few would buy the DVDs. So it is not lack of technology that prevents them but business acumen

I have estimated that the cost of producing a single DVD to be less than USD 0.5 thanks to China. I have done this so I know first hand.

So, upload as much content to YouTube or your website and then sell them cds and DVDS dirt cheap. The only reason they don't follow this intuitive route is GAIN

Concerning the medical programmes, that is no proof that free is bad, it is poverty and ignorance at play. I have seen queues at free eye clinics. But you are right, basic aid does little to transform the Negro. Negro needs education and more education not free lunch

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nlMediator:


You're putting words in people's mouth. Nobody said expensive disperses farther and wider. There's a big difference between non-free and expensive.

Paying for healing and paying for a message on CD are miles apart. The pastor is not selling his gift.

And you need to ask Aid workers to tell you about the challenges they face with polio vaccines and other forms of assistance. In several places, like Northern Nigeria, they're rejected by the people they're intended for, as the people are fed with one conspiracy story or another. People that willingly purchase medicines or take their kids to clinics would suddenly stay away from Aid workers because they hear that the vaccines are a stealth effort to sterilize them! In East Africa, nutritious baby formula was branded as poor people's food and nobody wanted to collect it, to avoid the stigma. That's not say that humanitarian work should cease. Only that you're not presenting the full picture. And if Aid workers find a more effective way, they'd probably explore it. I was talking the other day with a US government official who said US aid to Africa was about (free) food and medicines while in Eastern Europe, it was about legal and institutional structures for economic development. Years later, he found on his recent visit that places like Albania were thriving while Africa is still languishing. So, now he's spearheading a different form of Aid.

Your emphasis on online distribution shows you're not familiar at all with the economy and state of technology in Africa. Simply put, it'll cost the recipients more to download long messages than to purchase or share CDs. And more time-consuming too. Time is money! Perhaps, you're limiting that option to the richer countries.

We can find ways of subsidizing the cost of CDs without making them free for all. Because they cost real money to produce, not just 5 cents for an empty CD.

Oga vooks, you can get a DVD message in Nigeria for as low as 100 naira compared to an internet download which will cost you 1000 naira or more. MESSAGES ARE FREE. THE COST IS THE DVD NOT THE MESSAGE.

Thank you my broda,
that's the way to go. make them dirt cheap, disperse furthest and widest.

How are your first days of 2015 taking you?

Bidam:
Oga vooks, you can get a DVD message in Nigeria for as low as 100 naira compared to an internet download which will cost you 1000 naira or more. MESSAGES ARE FREE. THE COST IS THE DVD NOT THE MESSAGE.

vooks:
Thank you my broda,
that's the way to go. make them dirt cheap, disperse furthest and widest.

How are your first days of 2015 taking you?

Hibernating for now, how is yours going?

Hibernating?
You are funny. Coming well but am not well rested.

Bidam:
Hibernating for now, how is yours going?

vooks:
Hibernating?
You are funny. Coming well but am not well rested.

Lol, am trying to say am tanking up the word of God preparing for war in time of peace.

Bidam:
Lol, am trying to say am tanking up the word of God preparing for war in time of peace.

You don become prayer warrior ni?

Goshen360:

You don become prayer warrior ni?

Prayer warrior ke? I don't mean that though we are admonished to pray unceasingly. What i meant is that i am studying my bible diligently so i won't be tossed by the waves here and there and blown by every wind of teaching that has swept and made shipwreck of Christians by the cunning and craftiness of deceiving men.

Selling Mesages is not thesame as merchandising the gospel . In the bible days messages of prophets were copied and sold by scribes .

Messages of people like paul were highly circulated in his time . How did peter get Paul's materials ? How did Daniel get Jeremiah books to read? They bought them .

Joagbaje:
Selling Mesages is not thesame as merchandising the gospel . In the bible days messages of prophets were copied and sold by scribes .

Messages of people like paul were highly circulated in his time . How did peter get Paul's materials ? How did Daniel get Jeremiah books to read? They bought them .

It's a new year and you have started peddling your filthy lies again Where did you ever read that Daniel bought Jeremiah's books? Or Peter bought paul's materials? May God have mercy on your wretched soul.

PastorKun:


It's a new year and you have started peddling your filthy lies again Where did you ever read that Daniel bought Jeremiah's books? Or Peter bought paul's materials? May God have mercy on your wretched soul.

the epitome of lawlessness !

^^^ I was expecting that reaction

vooks:

Just about every other ministry have a website which cost next to nil to run. Then you have youtube. What is the big deal with availing the sermons through these channels?
They are afraid that if they sold what is available freely, few would buy the DVDs. So it is not lack of technology that prevents them but business acumen

I have estimated that the cost of producing a single DVD to be less than USD 0.5 thanks to China. I have done this so I know first hand.

So, upload as much content to YouTube or your website and then sell them cds and DVDS dirt cheap. The only reason they don't follow this intuitive route is GAIN

Concerning the medical programmes, that is no proof that free is bad, it is poverty and ignorance at play. I have seen queues at free eye clinics. But you are right, basic aid does little to transform the Negro. Negro needs education and more education not free lunch

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Actually, not just about every other ministry have a website. You seem to be referring to the major/popular ministries. There are hundreds of thousands of other ministries just here in Nigeria alone, so i don't suggest it will be level to make an assessment based on the popular few. My point and i think NLM and others have been the receiving end, not the giving end. Uploading or open source from the ministry is not the real issue. The real issue is the delivery of that upload. Not many people get that here in Nigeria as we have explained, due to poor internet and expensive data bundles. i do not know of many popular ministry that you cannot get their messages on youtube or on their websites. You can access Oyedepo's messages on youtube, all of the last Shiloh too. Same goes for Redeem(RCCG), and i think DeeperLife(on the church website), MFM, and i'm talking about recent messages as well.
We are not talking about the cost of an empty CD or DVD here. We are talking about a group of people that are involved in production, which is not volunteer. We are talking about maintaining quality video cameras and equipment, employing cameramen(in the plural), the other crew that do studiowork, editing, putting in Bible verses, sorting out audio mp3 formats, interpreting and other things, packaging and printing, and then sales. It's a self sustaining piece, not a charity. You're requesting the best audio quality, the best picture quality, the best graphics etc and there is usually a full time set of staff that are to be paid for doing this, and they should be paid relatively well. And there is a projection that this venture has little or no hassles and is sustainable, not going to pack up in 6months. Vooks,
Ecc 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.

Pastor,
Can I get some of your messages off YouTube?

Joagbaje:
Selling Mesages is not thesame as merchandising the gospel . In the bible days messages of prophets were copied and sold by scribes .

Messages of people like paul were highly circulated in his time . How did peter get Paul's materials ? How did Daniel get Jeremiah books to read? They bought them .

vooks:

Just about every other ministry have a website which cost next to nil to run. Then you have youtube. What is the big deal with availing the sermons through these channels?
They are afraid that if they sold what is available freely, few would buy the DVDs. So it is not lack of technology that prevents them but business acumen

o no vooks
hope this is no new discovery to you ?

I wonder why folks think that pastors are different from every day folks
its like a teenage boy thinking his mum is a virgin

vooks:
Here is what I have observed
1. Unnecessary splitting of messages into several DVDS to make a 'series'. A 2 hour sermon that can comfortably sit on a dvd is split into 40 minutes bits,a set of 3 DVDS sold of course at the price of 3.

2. Most of the DVDS are bought by people who watched the pastor live. These are the same members who support ministry and as such there is no need to profit from them

3. Charging for DVDS is one step away from charging for Live sermons

4. Selling merchandise is always restrictive;fewer benefit. Don't tell me that 'mature' believers know the value of the message exceeds the cost

Personally, I favor the open source approach like Linux. I can download at. My expense a Hirens Boot CD and burn it but ordering a CD costs me. In short, free resources but believers pay the small cost of distribution.

Cc
NLMediator
Image123
esere826

@vooks, your point number 1 has always got me thinking, and even when these messages are split into 40mins bits, what you have is actually about 20mins of the sermon and the rest 20mins is just adverts for other ministry merchandise like books and other DVD's.

And it doesn't end there, I wonder if the high cost of these DVD's are justifiable. I've heard them oftentimes try to justify this by quoting Proverbs 23:23 out of context: "Buy the truth, and sell it not...", I wonder how this justifies their actions

SirJohn,
If only these guys were honest and admitted to making merchandise of the gospel!

There is a book I came across,and you may do well to grab a copy here;
https://www.nairaland.com/2082266/synagogue-satan-brother-nosa

The author observed a prominent Nigerian church where to get into the main church 'sanctuary',the members are required to buy a dvd of the prophet! That's an intelligent way of levying a gate charge.

Sell the DVDS at cost and offer the content free for download from your site or on youtube

SirJohn:


@vooks, your point number 1 has always got me thinking, and even when these messages are split into 40mins bits, what you have is actually about 20mins of the sermon and the rest 20mins is just adverts for other ministry merchandise like books and other DVD's.

And it doesn't end there, I wonder if the high cost of these DVD's are justifiable. I've heard them oftentimes try to justify this by quoting Proverbs 23:23 out of context: "Buy the truth, and sell it not...", I wonder how this justifies their actions

sonOfLucifer:

Happy new year fool. Wake up and see the light. Embrace the Lucifer within. May your path be rough.

child of the devil