These ppl r jes an insatiable lot...Dey don't intend 2 stp picking holes in evrytn until doctors r made their foot stools(wc will neva happen)

Does anyone have a copy of this report,its wrong to criticize what you have not seen/read really.

Im pretty sorry for those who dont go do their research before vomitting rubbish. Go back to the roots and know exactly what the johesu/nma/ and the related bodies are about exactly. Do not hear from one party/parties and just conclude.
Those who cant actually express themselves without using abusive words (e.g fools), grow up.

Its really wrong to criticize any party unless you know what is going on in Hospitals.
NASU in universities don't envy ASUU because they know they both depend on each other and respect that. This is not happening in medical line. There will always be a problem when Doctors feel they are Lords over every other units (Pharmacists, Medical lab scientists, Physiotherapists etc)......
They both underwent rigorous training, why then the discrimination?
There should be mutual respect

Evvilgenius:
I just wonder why enlightened people like pharmacists and nurses will go so low to form a union with hospital cleaners, technicians etc just to form a large number to fight doctors .
This envy and show is a shameful one.

(I learnt nurses that hv university degrees are not part of them tho)

they were, but just pulled out late last year..

Fg and Nma forming alliance against Johesu since 15AD.

Johesu members are professionals and they should be treated so. They are not in competition with anyone. The health sector does not belong to those guys in medicine only. There is need to treat a doc as a doc and a nurse as a nurse, etc. They all make decisions to help the patient. This is part of what is obtainable in advanced countries where our political leaders run to for health care services.

One of those infuriating situation is that which makes even a yet+to-be-fully qualified (resident doc) to lord it over other professionals in a hospital on issues he/she knows next to nothing about. Why on earth should a doc head the nursing department? Why can't nurses who are qualified to be consultants be so recongnised. Don't we have communication, accountant, language, etc consultants in those various fields? Why is it only those in medicine that can become consultants in Nigeria's health sector?

In the US that most of us are quick to cite as an example, there have been surgeon general office for quite a long time. However, the question is how many medical doctors have ever occupied it? I don't think there have even been more than one if any. The way Yayale's report want to package it under the name special health adviser won't work. If it is packaged in such a way that professionals who are knowledgeable in the field of public health and others can occupy it, then it won't be seen as medical doctors' advantage to further put other professionals down under them.

A hospital where docs are almighty won't help anyone. That is why those who have the wherewithal flee abroad for care.

So, my prayer is that the government should do it the way it is done in the US, Canada, Britain, etc for permanent peace.

seunayantokun:
Johesu members are professionals and they should be treated so. They are not in competition with anyone. The health sector does not belong to those guys in medicine only. There is need to treat a doc as a doc and a nurse as a nurse, etc. They all make decisions to help the patient. This is part of what is obtainable in advanced countries where our political leaders run to for health care services.

One of those infuriating situation is that which makes even a yet+to-be-fully qualified (resident doc) to lord it over other professionals in a hospital on issues he/she knows next to nothing about. Why on earth should a doc head the nursing department? Why can't nurses who are qualified to be consultants be so recongnised. Don't we have communication, accountant, language, etc consultants in those various fields? Why is it only those in medicine that can become consultants in Nigeria's health sector?

In the US that most of us are quick to cite as an example, there have been surgeon general office for quite a long time. However, the question is how many medical doctors have ever occupied it? I don't think there have even been more than one if any. The way Yayale's report want to package it under the name special health adviser won't work. If it is packaged in such a way that professionals who are knowledgeable in the field of public health and others can occupy it, then it won't be seen as medical doctors' advantage to further put other professionals down under them.

A hospital where docs are almighty won't help anyone. That is why those who have the wherewithal flee abroad for care.

So, my prayer is that the government should do it the way it is done in the US, Canada, Britain, etc for permanent peace.

Em...em...em...chairman are u high or something else? Where in this country is a medical doctor heading over the nursing department? Seriously I will like to know, because medical doctors can't stoop so low in doing that. Its either u are high on weeds or just ranting rubbish just to make a silly comment.

well, as earlier said, it's obvious who the trouble makers in the the health sector are. International best practices were strictly adhered to by the committee & JOHESU still protests.The B.Sc nurses are no longer with them as they were also pushing for unified scheme of service for all nurses ie entry level, privilege s etc should be the same for B.Sc nurses, OND, HND nurses, midwives, even auxiliary nurses so that University degrees will not matter. They just want to erode professionalism. & enthrone mediocrity. Which system survives or grow like that? meanwhile, they''ve been on strike for 2 months. I don tire jare.

seunayantokun:
Johesu members are professionals and they should be treated so. They are not in competition with anyone. The health sector does not belong to those guys in medicine only. There is need to treat a doc as a doc and a nurse as a nurse, etc. They all make decisions to help the patient. This is part of what is obtainable in advanced countries where our political leaders run to for health care services.

One of those infuriating situation is that which makes even a yet+to-be-fully qualified (resident doc) to lord it over other professionals in a hospital on issues he/she knows next to nothing about. Why on earth should a doc head the nursing department? Why can't nurses who are qualified to be consultants be so recongnised. Don't we have communication, accountant, language, etc consultants in those various fields? Why is it only those in medicine that can become consultants in Nigeria's health sector?

In the US that most of us are quick to cite as an example, there have been surgeon general office for quite a long time. However, the question is how many medical doctors have ever occupied it? I don't think there have even been more than one if any. The way Yayale's report want to package it under the name special health adviser won't work. If it is packaged in such a way that professionals who are knowledgeable in the field of public health and others can occupy it, then it won't be seen as medical doctors' advantage to further put other professionals down under them.

A hospital where docs are almighty won't help anyone. That is why those who have the wherewithal flee abroad for care.

So, my prayer is that the government should do it the way it is done in the US, Canada, Britain, etc for permanent peace.

It irritates one to see ignorant folks like you, yet making bogus claims like one armed with facts and a sound knowledge base. Sorry bro, you sounded like a complete eedi.ot to me there.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgeon_General_of_the_United_States

^^Open that link and patiently read about each of the past Surgeon-Generals of the United States. By the time you are half-way through, the classical nature of your idiocy should begin to dawn on you.

At least, you have the means of learning to cure your ignorance in the internet. Rather, you refuse to learn, but jump on Nairaland at the slightest opportunity to cause confusion with your illiterate guts.

When you are done learning this one thing, kindly educate as many of your JOHESU people as possible. This is one of your many lies.

Cheers!

phantom:
for those who dont know,the federal govt set up a comitee headed by yayale ahmed to address once and for all,the bickering in the health sector.
JOHESU and its constituent associations were fully involved in meetings with that comitee. infact a few MEDICAL BODIES/ASSOCIATIONS WERE MISSING.

either the NMA or NARD was absent in meetings with this same commitee and infact many doctors all over the federation expressed their dissatisfaction on their facebook wall with that.
Johesu tried anyway to influence the final outcome of the commitees report.

now my question is...why are they dissatisfied with the 50 recommendations of the commitee?
could it be that the commitee actually did its homework,comparing the health sector here with the sector in other countries??

What exactly does JOHESU WANT?? do they really think in their wildest dreams that they will be allowed to lord it over doctors?

U knw one agency can do the work of regulating different professional bodies which is currently been done by 15 regulatory bodies.

APC vs PDP.

That's what almost everything in Nigeria now is.

Ndi kwe na ndi ekweghi...

Meanwhile am enjoying the strike. I know its till after the elections all these talk will start yielding cos for now uncle Jona dey find way retain his seat with Bruh dey try snatch am.

I will keep watching the drama. Though people are dying seriously

Talibanis or whatever you call yourself, this platform is meant for mature ppl who don't insult others immaterial of whoever/whatever they are. Pls, grow and seek knowledge.

If any of those things I put up there are not present realities in your limited corner, it doesn't mean it is not in other places. If any of them has changed anywhere, it was due to pressures mounted on the authorities concerned to change it.

ok

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Buhari has already started it when he was in power by maneuvering the sheria law into our constitution. I hope u know?

teeowl:
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this is a democratic setting. it is difficult when there is a sizable amount of Christians in Senate and House of Assembly. The new constitution that we follow was drawn up in 1999, so what are you talking about? Buhari is with a Christian deputy now that can caution him about the dangers of trying any form of Islamization.

Lilaex:
Buhari has already started it when he was in power by maneuvering the sheria law into our constitution. I hope u know?

seunayantokun:
Johesu members are professionals and they should be treated so. They are not in competition with anyone. The health sector does not belong to those guys in medicine only. There is need to treat a doc as a doc and a nurse as a nurse, etc. They all make decisions to help the patient. This is part of what is obtainable in advanced countries where our political leaders run to for health care services.

One of those infuriating situation is that which makes even a yet+to-be-fully qualified (resident doc) to lord it over other professionals in a hospital on issues he/she knows next to nothing about. Why on earth should a doc head the nursing department? Why can't nurses who are qualified to be consultants be so recongnised. Don't we have communication, accountant, language, etc consultants in those various fields? Why is it only those in medicine that can become consultants in Nigeria's health sector?

In the US that most of us are quick to cite as an example, there have been surgeon general office for quite a long time. However, the question is how many medical doctors have ever occupied it? I don't think there have even been more than one if any. The way Yayale's report want to package it under the name special health adviser won't work. If it is packaged in such a way that professionals who are knowledgeable in the field of public health and others can occupy it, then it won't be seen as medical doctors' advantage to further put other professionals down under them.

A hospital where docs are almighty won't help anyone. That is why those who have the wherewithal flee abroad for care.

So, my prayer is that the government should do it the way it is done in the US, Canada, Britain, etc for permanent peace.

You are obviously a johesu member and you are high on a hard drug called....INFERIORITY COMPLEX! Grow up!

seunayantokun:
Talibanis or whatever you call yourself, this platform is meant for mature ppl who don't insult others immaterial of whoever/whatever they are. Pls, grow and seek knowledge.

If any of those things I put up there are not present realities in your limited corner, it doesn't mean it is not in other places. If any of them has changed anywhere, it was due to pressures mounted on the authorities concerned to change it.

ok but pls answer Talibani"s question. He/she said u should mention the federal hospital where a med dr is the head of the nursing dept period !

My dear friend
Please go and dig deep there is no new constitution. Sharia law is stil abiding in ur legal constitution. It is funy actualy because nigeria constitution gives us right to freedom of worship and believe while in the same constitution sharia law say if u do not belive in islam or u try to leave the religion u must be killed. My friend this are facts Please verify. and as 4 ur almighty vise president dat u tink is untouchable the apc party is owned by muslims and all the strategic positions are held by them and there is littl or so much a vice can do against the CinC!

teeowl:
this is a democratic setting. it is difficult when there is a sizable amount of Christians in Senate and House of Assembly. The new constitution that we follow was drawn up in 1999, so what are you talking about? Buhari is with a Christian deputy now that can caution him about the dangers of trying any form of Islamization.

Since you are so sure about that please tell me the section (subsection and chapter) in the constitution so that I can check it for myself. I have two lawyers in my family, so I have access to a copy of the Nigerian constitution at any time. If you give me the section (subsection and chapter) and I locate it, then I would vote for Jonathan.

Lilaex:
My dear friend
Please go and dig deep there is no new constitution. Sharia law is stil abiding in ur legal constitution. It is funy actualy because nigeria constitution gives us right to freedom of worship and believe while in the same constitution sharia law say if u do not belive in islam or u try to leave the religion u must be killed. My friend this are facts Please verify. and as 4 ur almighty vise president dat u tink is untouchable the apc party is owned by muslims and all the strategic positions are held by them and there is littl or so much a vice can do against the CinC!

phantom:
for those who dont know,the federal govt set up a comitee headed by yayale ahmed to address once and for all,the bickering in the health sector.
JOHESU and its constituent associations were fully involved in meetings with that comitee. infact a few MEDICAL BODIES/ASSOCIATIONS WERE MISSING.

either the NMA or NARD was absent in meetings with this same commitee and infact many doctors all over the federation expressed their dissatisfaction on their facebook wall with that.
Johesu tried anyway to influence the final outcome of the commitees report.

now my question is...why are they dissatisfied with the 50 recommendations of the commitee?
could it be that the commitee actually did its homework,comparing the health sector here with the sector in other countries??

What exactly does JOHESU WANT?? do they really think in their wildest dreams that they will be allowed to lord it over doctors?

Everyone wonders o. Like your last paragraph asks, na so we too dey ask

QueenAzibar:
johesu will never be satisfied

That's just the simple truth.

drjay1:
This is so so like the Nigerian union! We reject whatever we feel doesnt favour us even if it is in the best interest of the whole world! Its so so sad! I wish the government can make a stand and rejuvenate the health care system irrespective of who is hurt, weda NMA or JOHESU! Its these stupid unionism that is affecting our health system!

I really don't know why govt is handling this with kid's glove. The other time when they felt doctor 'stepped out of line', they were hammered with some cadre even sacked. It took interventions for reinstatement. Now govt has forgotten where it kept that hammer because of election. Na wa ooo

Talibanis:

Em...em...em...chairman are u high or something else? Where in this country is a medical doctor heading over the nursing department? Seriously I will like to know, because medical doctors can't stoop so low in doing that. Its either u are high on weeds or just ranting rubbish just to make a silly comment.

In fact, most people do not even know the difference between a resident doc and an intern/ house officer in Nigerian context. Are pharmacist interns 'fully graduated'? What makes a house officer different? Most of these lots are confused. Government should just learn from private hospitals. Has anyone ever heard of strike there? No cos shoes get size for there.

nas00:





It irritates one to see ignorant folks like you, yet making bogus claims like one armed with facts and a sound knowledge base. Sorry bro, you sounded like a complete eedi.ot to me there.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgeon_General_of_the_United_States

^^Open that link and patiently read about each of the past Surgeon-Generals of the United States. By the time you are half-way through, the classical nature of your idiocy should begin to dawn on you.

At least, you have the means of learning to cure your ignorance in the internet. Rather, you refuse to learn, but jump on Nairaland at the slightest opportunity to cause confusion with your illiterate guts.

When you are done learning this one thing, kindly educate as many of your JOHESU people as possible. This is one of your many lies.

Cheers!

Na so I see am too ooo. Hmmm

nas00:





It irritates one to see ignorant folks like you, yet making bogus claims like one armed with facts and a sound knowledge base. Sorry bro, you sounded like a complete eedi.ot to me there.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgeon_General_of_the_United_States

^^Open that link and patiently read about each of the past Surgeon-Generals of the United States. By the time you are half-way through, the classical nature of your idiocy should begin to dawn on you.

At least, you have the means of learning to cure your ignorance in the internet. Rather, you refuse to learn, but jump on Nairaland at the slightest opportunity to cause confusion with your illiterate guts.

When you are done learning this one thing, kindly educate as many of your JOHESU people as possible. This is one of your many lies.

Cheers!

Truly said. Its that simple. If you want to enjoy what the doctors enjoy, buy a JAMB form, pass your POST-UME, pass 1st year, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th MBBS and you will get the respect you desire. Why are the JOHESITES envious because when doctors spent 95% of their school days reading, they were busy warming every club house in major cities. Now it has dawned on them, they now want to equate themselves with doctors.

Yes I know a lot of 'back doors' exist in Nigeria but JOHESU's plight will never pass those doors or the windows. They should get back to work and stop the ranting before they elapse 3 months and salaries will be stopped.

I am sure their online stooges will be after this post. Let's see!