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DieeDiee:
No hold up! Let us use his argument and his definition. So the universe according to @truthman2012 is ''the whole
creation and the Creator'' and in the same breath he says that according to the law of cause and effect something must have created the universe. Now if by @truthman2012 definition of the universe (I remind all that he said the universe is defined as: ''the whole
creation and the Creator'' - Creator being God I assume because he capitalized the word) then that means GOD MUST HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY SOMETHING because as the christians keep saying nothing can create nothing and @truthman2012 said in his OP the universe was created or caused by something else therefore if christians assert God exist the what or who created God?

lol @truthman2012, you've been called out..

davien:
Now can you see the special pleading?

there are many verse in the bible that indicate that God was acting before time begin.

truthman2012:
Universe is defined as ''the whole creation and the Creator'', meaning it includes the earth.

The Big Bang Theory from the link says the Universe started from 'small singularity' and expanded. Whatever the singularity means, SOMETHING must have CAUSED it. What is the something if not God?

@ bolded: Errr... So does the bible. You do you that a mass is singular don't you? Doesn't the bible say earth was once a mass and God separated day and night, collected the water etc.? So therefore what is your point?

DieeDiee:
Hiiiiii... It's addressing your comment!

That doesn't address my comment either.

malvisguy212:
there are many verse in the bible that indicate that God was acting before time begin.

This is circular reasoning because you can't use the bible to prove anything about what it already claims.....it's like using a Harry potter novel to prove hogwards is a real place

honourhim:
That doesn't address my comment either.

Why do you christians lie? Must you never be proven wrong on anything?

honourhim:
That doesn't address my comment either.

Then your comprehension skills are seriously lacking...

DieeDiee:
Then your comprehension skills are seriously lacking...

Rather your comprehension skill is serious lacking.

davien:
This is circular reasoning because you can't use the bible to prove anything about what it already claims.....it's like using a Harry potter novel to prove hogwards is a real place

yes there are law of physics and time,something cannot came out from no where,scientists can say something must have caused God(which is wrong) but the problems with this scientists is that they don't understand the nature of God, science can't explained God.I believe God is not bound by our understanding of time, why did I say this? Because there are lot of prophecy in the bible that the prophet use present tens example isaiah say "a child IS given" he use present tens.

God is the sole exception to these laws because he is a supernatural being instead of a natural one: he is invisible and immaterial, and his existence does not depend on, nor is it tied to, the existence of our physical world. What holds true of the natural and material does not necessarily hold true of the supernatural and immaterial (and vice versa).
Thank you.

DieeDiee:
@ bolded: Errr... So does the bible. You do you that a mass is singular don't you? Doesn't the bible say earth was once a mass and God separated day and night, collected the water etc.? So therefore what is your point?

My point is: what caused the 'singularity'

DieeDiee:
@ bolded: Errr... So does the bible. You do you that a mass is singular don't you? Doesn't the bible say earth was once a mass and God separated day and night, collected the water etc.? So therefore what is your point?

My point is: what caused the 'singularity before it started expanding?'

malvisguy212:
yes there are law of physics and time,something cannot came out from no where,scientists can say something must have caused God(which is wrong) but the problems with this scientists is that they don't understand the nature of God, science can't explained God.I believe God is not bound by our understanding of time, why did I say this? Because there are lot of prophecy in the bible that the prophet use present tens example isaiah say "a child IS given" he use present tens.

God is the sole exception to these laws because he is a supernatural being instead of a natural one: he is invisible and immaterial, and his existence does not depend on, nor is it tied to, the existence of our physical world. What holds true of the natural and material does not necessarily hold true of the supernatural and immaterial (and vice versa).
Thank you.

Again,special pleading...

davien:
Why do you christians lie? Must you never be proven wrong on anything?

What's the lie there? She just rehashed the usual atheists stuff which has no solid base. At least my comment was made based on the points in the OP which you people have serially failed to nullify.

Simply nulify those points and you ve addressed my comment. For now, una dey dance kwashiokor dance.

davien:
Again,special pleading...

falsified my claimed and see were it will lead you to. Satan is really working hard on you guys.

davien:
This is circular reasoning because you can't use the bible to prove anything about what it already claims.....it's like using a Harry potter novel to prove hogwards is a real place

Lol! D haven't you learned anything? If you believe and have faith it's real. Unicorns exist, Edward Cullan exist, Wolverine and the X-men exist. How do I know? The My Little Pony books say there are unicorns. Twilight tells us about Edward and his family.

truthman2012:
My point is: what caused the 'singularity'

Same thing that created the singularity talked about in the bible. Remember you said it includes God so you can't use God as a cop out

honourhim:
What's the lie there? She just rehashed the usual atheists stuff which has no solid base. At least my comment was made based on the points in the OP which you people have serially failed to nullify.

Simply nulify those points and you ve addressed my comment. For now, una dey dance kwashiokor dance.

Go back and read what you said. Then read my response to you. Did you not say there's no reason to doubt God created the universe? Now which part of my response to you is digressing?

DieeDiee:
Same thing that created the singularity talked about in the bible. Remember you said it includes God so you can't use God as a cop out

ok bro, I want to ask you a question;

Assuming you are right,something caused god, what next? Will you worship this thing that caused god? Or will you continue to ask the same question, what causes the thing that caused god?

Little scientists say there is no God. Many if not all have had dreams at one time or the other. Their SPIRIT moves and they find themselves far from where they really are. In dream they don't even know they are dreaming, they think it is their whole life, until they wake up.

If there is SPIRIT, yet they could not see it as they cannot see God the Father of all spirits, which makes them to deny His existence.

They sleep, dream and wake up again when the spirit returns to the body. Man becames dead when the spirit leaves and does not return.

The Devil can make intelligent people do sensless things.

Simple question:

If God exists and is everywhere then why did he only "reveal" himself to only a small, select selection of the population. Why did for examples Africans, Chinese, Aboriginals etc not know about him? Why did he not send messengers to them? Why did he wait until the white people went into the world to steal other people's land "to spread the knowledge" about him? If he created all then why did he have special people (the Jews) what of his other "creations"? Don't they matter?

malvisguy212:
ok bro, I want to ask you a question;

Assuming you are right,something caused god, what next? Will you worship this thing that caused god? Or will you continue to ask the same question, what causes the thing that caused god?

No. Why should I worship anything? Do you worship your parents? They created you. Do you wake up and pray to them, sing praises to them? Do they require that of you or are they just happy to see you healthy and happy and ask for nothing back except for you to do your best and be happy?

truthman2012:
Little scientists say there is no God. Many if not all have had dreams at one time or the other. Their SPIRIT moves and they find themselves far from where they really are. In dream they don't even know they are dreaming, they think it is their whole life, until they wake up.

If there is SPIRIT, yet they could not see it as they cannot see God the Father of all spirits, which makes them to deny His existence.

They sleep, dream and wake up again when the spirit returns to the body. Man becames dead when the spirit leaves and does not return.

The Devil can make intelligent people do sensless things.

You haven't answered me. If God is part of the universe and the universe has a cause then what caused God?

DieeDiee:
Simple question:

If God exists and is everywhere then why did he only "reveal" himself to only a small, select selection of the population. Why did for examples Africans, Chinese, Aboriginals etc not know about him? Why did he not send messengers to them? Why did he wait until the white people went into the world to steal other people's land "to spread the knowledge" about him? If he created all then why did he have special people (the Jews) what of his other "creations"? Don't they matter?

Put your questions to Him. His actions are unquestionable by ordinary mortals, whose eyes cannot see beyond the physical.

truthman2012:
Put your questions to Him. His actions are unquestionable by ordinary mortals, whose eyes cannot see beyond the physical.

You claim to know him why can't I ask you?

DieeDiee:
You claim to know him why can't I ask you?

Dieediee can you see the irony in their responses?....they'll claim something can't come from nothing...but want you to believe a genie poofed from nothing and made everything..

DieeDiee:
No. Why should I worship anything? Do you worship your parents? They created you. Do you wake up and pray to them, sing praises to them? Do they require that of you or are they just happy to see you healthy and happy and ask for nothing back except for you to do your best and be happy?

we are not talking about the seen ,we are talking about the supernatural,you and I know that our parents are human, but God is a spirit,the atheists argument is "something made God (spirit)". Will you worship this thing? And the next question is this " what made the thing that made God " this is senseless.

DieeDiee:
You haven't answered me. If God is part of the universe and the universe has a cause then what caused God?

My post you quoted is not a response to yours. It is a general one.

The answer to your question is in the OP.

malvisguy212:
we are not talking about the seen ,we are talking about the supernatural,you and I know that our parents are human, but God is a spirit,the atheists argument is "something made God (spirit)". Will you worship this thing? And the next question is this " what made the thing that made God " this is senseless.

I already said no, I don't see reason to worship anything. For what good reason? If my parents asked me to worship them that would make sense because they do things for me and it would be like payback. But now for me to worship something that only exists in my mind and does nothing for me makes absolutely no sense.

DieeDiee:
You haven't answered me. If God is part of the universe and the universe has a cause then what caused God?

Genesis1:1
" in the beginning God created the heaven and earth"

The universe were created together with time,God is the caused, God is not bound by our understanding of time.

...since God coexists with the world
and in the world there is change,
surely there is a case for saying that
God continues to exist for an endless
time, rather than that he is timeless.
In general that which remains the
same while other things change is not
said to be outside time, but to
continue through time.

DieeDiee:
I already said no, I don't see reason to worship anything. For what good reason? If my parents asked me to worship them that would make sense because they do things for me and it would be like payback. But now for me to worship something that only exists in my mind and does nothing for me makes absolutely no sense.

in other word, you see no reason of worshipping the cause that caused god , but he exist because you argued for it. IT MEAN YOU ARE DISOBEYING THE CAUSE THAT CAUSED gOD.

DieeDiee:
Go back and read what you said. Then read my response to you. Did you not say there's no reason to doubt God created the universe? Now which part of my response to you is digressing?

Its not me you were addresseng I can see.

malvisguy212:
in other word, you see no reason of worshipping the cause that caused god , but he exist because you argued for it. IT MEAN YOU ARE DISOBEYING THE CAUSE THAT CAUSED gOD.

What? How can I disobey something I don't even believe exists?