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Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by DieeDiee: 9:09pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
honourhim: My brother you are confused let's drop it. 1 Like |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by honourhim: 9:38pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
DieeDiee: My sister you are the one confused. |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by malvisguy212: 9:40pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
DieeDiee:but you BELIEVE the thing caused God. So He exist. |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by DieeDiee: 9:41pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: I never said anything caused God. |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by malvisguy212: 9:43pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
DieeDiee:ok. Thank you for your time. God is the FIRST CAUSED. 1 Like |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by DieeDiee: 10:00pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Either you missed the point or you just jumped in without reading the beginning. |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by Anas09: 10:03pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
I love this room, its full of intelligent people. Thanks guys, I learned a lot here. |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by malvisguy212: 10:05pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
DieeDiee:your earlier coment indicate , nothing caused God, in other word, God is the first caused. 1 Like |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by UyiIredia(m): 10:12pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
ooman2: Gravity and the other fundamental forces (eg electromagnetism) are not material, yet they have observable material effects. 2 Likes |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by malvisguy212: 10:23pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
Another reason for rejecting God (choosing atheism), is a willing acceptance of satanic deception. The angel Lucifer fell and became Satan (“adversary”) due to his desire to supplant God. This was Lucifer’s single-minded obsession. He not only rejected God by attempting to supplant Him, but he urged humans to do likewise. Satan urged Eve to choose against God for her own self-fulfilment: He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:1-5 ESV). The tactic is clear: firstly, question God’s statements, then, contradict God’s statements and, finally, urge rebellion in seeking equality with God. This manifests in atheists as 1. Questioning whether there is a God to make statements in the first place, so God did not say anything. 2. Contradicting the statements said to have been spoken by God. 3. Seeking equality with God by replacing God with the self. This satanic deception appeals strongly to atheists as it bolsters two of their desired delusions: 1) absolute autonomy —being free to do as they please, and 2) the lack of ultimate accountability—there are no eternal consequences for doing as they please. 1 Like |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by DieeDiee: 10:24pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: I never said that either. What I said is there is no proof of God's existence and the faith and the bible are not proof |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by malvisguy212: 10:28pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
DieeDiee:you can twist your earlier coment you made, no problem bro, the truth is this , there is God. Christianity is not a blind faith. |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by DieeDiee: 10:30pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Next time start from the top of the conversation not the middle else you'll always catch the wrong end of the stick as you have done now. |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by malvisguy212: 10:36pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
DieeDiee:when you made this post "I never said anything caused God" What are you trying to say here? |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by DieeDiee: 10:43pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Christianity doesn't need anything or anyone to make it contradict itself it does that perfectly all by itself. Proof: God is supposedly all knowing and knows what you are going to do before you know yourself. If that is true why didn't he know that Lucifer was going to try to overthrow Him and "bring" evil? A rational being with that knowledge would have prevented that from happening by either not creating Lucifer or stopping him somehow before hand. God is claimed to be loving and forgiving yet he loves punishing people and destroying cities in the bible. That's neither loving or forgiving. 2 Likes |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by DieeDiee: 10:46pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: #sigh... If you start from the beginning and read carefully you'll notice I keep saying there is no proof of God, God doesn't exist therefore if he doesn't exist nothing can cause Him. Understand now? |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by malvisguy212: 10:52pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
DieeDiee:lucifer was created with one of the finest material; Ezekiel 28:12–15 12 “Son of man, araise a lamentation over bthe king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord God: “You were the signet of perfection,1 full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; fevery precious stone was your covering, sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire,2 femerald, and carbuncle; and crafted in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared. 14 You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till UNRIGHTEOUSNESS was found in you. How did unrighteousness found in satan? Notice the word "I WILL"in the verse bellow; Isaiah 14:12–15 12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, eson of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! 13 You said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ 15 But you are brought down to Sheol, to the far reaches of the pit. |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by DieeDiee: 11:03pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Your point is...? 1 Like |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by GeneralShepherd(m): 11:33pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
truthman2012: You have not provided evidence for a God yet. The Christian God might have been Allah's creation, these gods are simply conjectures. |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by honourhim: 11:37pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
DieeDiee: How did you know that God didn't know that lucifer will fall? DieeDiee: God has hiis reason for allowing things go that way and it must not suit ours. Do you know his purpose for creating the earth and all that are in it? DieeDiee: Did God claim he is only loving and does his love mean poampering evil doers? Did he say he ll forgive when you ve not asked for it? Did he say he is punishing because he loves to punish even when he made a way of escape (the redemption plan)? If he loves punishing then he wouldn't have made the way out. |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by GeneralShepherd(m): 11:39pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
truthman2012: If it was God who created it/him/her /they? (whatever your God is) |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by GeneralShepherd(m): 11:41pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
honourhim: Who created this Christian God? |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by GeneralShepherd(m): 11:48pm On Jan 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: You are using a book written by cavemen and edited by the Roman empire to argue about the existence of God. Firstly the bible lacks credibility. Secondly why Yaweh? What if Amadioha, Allah,Krishna, or the other gods created the universe and Yahweh? |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by honourhim: 12:02am On Jan 09, 2015 |
GeneralShepherd: God is the very first cause. |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by Weah96: 1:45am On Jan 09, 2015 |
honourhim: What does that mean? 1 Like |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by DieeDiee: 3:03am On Jan 09, 2015 |
honourhim: You think you are defending God but all you have done is prove what greater love than God humans have. How more forgiving humans are. Your parent no matter how much wrong you have done will never destroy you instead (even though they might punish you) will love you harder and work harder to protect you because they will interpret it as they haven't done a good job of guiding you. 2 Likes |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by malvisguy212: 5:57am On Jan 09, 2015 |
GeneralShepherd:non of this gods stand in a better position to be called the supreme God. Pleased compare the bible in the 6th century and the present day bible google it and see for your self.the new testament we have today is at least least 99.5% accurate to the original. No change. (The .5% differences refer to spelling, but no change in meaning.). When Islam began in the 6th century, 600 years after Jesus Christ, the Bible was accepted as true. So, you might ask, has the Bible changed since the 6th century? No. All you have to do is. compare today's Bible with a Bible written long ago. We can find complete Bibles, all the way back to 300 A.D., hundreds of years before the Quran. You can find one in the London Museum, in the Vatican, and many other places. If you compare today's Bible with the Bibles of 300 A.D., the Bible we have today is the same as then. |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by malvisguy212: 6:04am On Jan 09, 2015 |
GeneralShepherd:if we answer this question by saying something created God, you will still ask "who created the something that created God, the question continue in a cycle, it senseless . If you don't worship God when you are young, is it when you became 60years that is when you will worship him? When life is no more fun. |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by GeneralShepherd(m): 7:20am On Jan 09, 2015 |
malvisguy212: It's stupidity worshiping a thing that doesn't exist. It's that simple. I don't have any need for a God. |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by GeneralShepherd(m): 7:21am On Jan 09, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Every worshipper claims his or her God is the supreme being, that is why religion is so divisive and destructive. My grandparents, great grandparents and had gods before the white men brought the Jewish God. Even the same Europeans have done away with the retrogressive believe in gods yet africans still hold fast to religion. With all the God worshiping you will think Nigeria would have been better that Europe and America. |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by GeneralShepherd(m): 7:29am On Jan 09, 2015 |
honourhim: But you said something cannot come out of nothing, yet your God came out of nothing. Why is your God violating your own logic? If a God can come out nothing then you just agreed that the universe might have come out nothing. It simply means that we agree that something can come out of nothing,unless you agree that God is nothing. Anyway for now nobody knows how the universe started and till there is a proof for a God, I'm happy loving my family and friends. I am actually happier now that I am an atheist. For two years it's been fun. 1 Like |
Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by malvisguy212: 7:41am On Jan 09, 2015 |
GeneralShepherd:quote the claimed from this gods that say they are the creator of this universe. |
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