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truthman2012:
A man was about dying and a lady preached Jesus to him. He moaned 'no' in anger. Then the lady discovered the man must have been under demonic influence and she shouted ''demon leave in Jesus name''. The man burst in tears and requested the lady to pray for him to get to heaven and he gave his life to Jesus. What a lucky man! I pray the demon in you will leave for God's words to have meaning to you.

video or idon...** you know the rest, hehehe.

Wait oooo, a pastor actually run mad while praying to a mad man here in Ib some years ago hehe..

Speaking further, another witness, an okada rider, said at a point, the mad man removed the pastor's hand from his head, adding that "suddenly, a strange spirit got hold of the pastor and he began to remove his cloth. He was Unclad and laid flat on the ground, speaking a strange language, with foam oozing out of his mouth."

The mad man, it was gathered, initially left him in this position and sat at some distance away from the pastor, before the duo later sat closer to each other, while onlookers watched the strange drama.

The pastor remained in state of insanity until the Nigerian Tribune left the scene of the incident.

www.nairaland.com/977401/pastor-runs-mad-while-praying

lmao

Rilwon:
video or idon...** you know the rest, hehehe.

Wait oooo, a pastor actually run mad while praying to a mad man here in Ib some years ago hehe..


www.nairaland.com/977401/pastor-runs-mad-while-praying
lmao

If it was a muslim that gave a testimony, picture or no picture you will believe it, abi?

There are pastors and there are pastors, that a man calls himself a pastor does mean is a man of God. The Lord knows those that are His. I have prayed for a man possessed of the devil and at the shout of 'fire' he fell down and after waiting for a few second, the demon said ''I return the fire'' but I was not affected. Don't ask me for photo, miracles are not for show off. Your unbelief does not change our God.

truthman2012:
A man was about dying and a lady preached Jesus to him. He moaned 'no' in anger. Then the lady discovered the man must have been under demonic influence and she shouted ''demon leave in Jesus name''. The man burst in tears and requested the lady to pray for him to get to heaven and he gave his life to Jesus. What a lucky man! I pray the demon in you will leave for God's words to have meaning to you.

Lol... This is the best joke on nairaland

frank317:
Lol... This is the best joke on nairaland

I don't expect you to believe anything as an unbeliever (atheist).

truthman2012:
I don't expect you to believe anything as an unbeliever (atheist).

So "demons" control people's will'?

Rilwayne001

You have'nt prove anything, perhaps you can provide evidence for us all to see that Paran is located in Israel. I actually ignored this earlier on
because i see that you have once again displayed your ignorance, and i am not your teacher to teach you things you do not know everyday.

According to wikipedia:
It is not certain precisely where the wilderness of Paran is to be located. It is often associated with Mount Sinai in Egypt,and there is
some evidence that it may originally have referred to the southern portion of the Sinai Peninsula .

Both Eusebius (in his Onomasticon, a Bible dictionary) and Jerome reported that Paran was a city in Paran desert, in Arabia Deserta
(beyond Arabia Nabataea), southeast of Eilat Pharan. Onomasticon , under Pharan, states: "(Now) a city beyond Arabia adjoining the desert of the Saracens [who wander in the desert] through which the children or Israel went moving (camp) from Sinai. Located (we say) beyond Arabia on the south, three days journey to the east of Aila (in the desert Pharan) where Scripture affirms Ismael dwelled, whence the Ishmaelites. It is said (we read) also that (king) Chodollagomor cut to pieces those in
'Pharan which is in the desert'."

Eusebius' mention of Chodollagomor here refers to a possible earlier mention of Paran in Genesis 14:6, which states that as he and the other
kings allied with him were campaigning in the region of Sodom and Gomorrah, they smote "the Horites in their mount Seir , unto El-paran,
which is by the wilderness." (KJV) Sebeos , the Armenian Bishop and historian, describing the Arab conquest of his time, wrote that the
Arabs "assembled and came out from Paran "

This is a distortion of the Bible by the writer, a man raised up to distort the truth. You parade islamic sites pasting so many fallacies on the Bible thinking you are making points. People in the islamic sites cannot know the God of the Bible as they don't have the spirit of the Bible. It is one thing to read the Bible, it is another thing to know the mind of God when He speaks.

Their and your case is like that of the man of Ethiopia who read the Scripture and despite his education, he could not understand it: And he rose and went: and behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopiaqns, who had the charge of all her treasure and had come to Jerusalem for to worship. Then the Spirit said unto Philip, go near and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip ran thither to him and heard him read the prophet Esaias and said
Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him (Acts 8:27-31).

Paran Is Not In Mecca

"At the end of forty days they returned from exploring the land. They came back to Moses and Aaron and the whole Israelite community at
Kadesh in the [b]Desert of Paran. There they reported to them and to the whole assembly and showed them the fruit of the land. They gave
Moses this account: 'We went into the land to which you sent us, and it does flow with milk and honey! Here is its fruit.'" Numbers 13:25-27

Can you see that Paran is part of Israelite community?

These be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side of Jordan in the wilderness in the plain over against the Red Sea and between[b] Paran [/b]and Tophel and Laban and Hazeroth and Dizahab (Deut. 1:1). Tell me, were Moses and the Israelites in Paran in Mecca? Paran is never Mecca.

Wether they step into mecca or not, their children did and their children in one way or the other have been influenced by their father, even though thry later lost the mode of worship, yet they didnt forget the name of the God their father and their G father worshipped. this has been the point have been trying to pass to your stiffnecked head.

Since you have no choice but to agree that Abraham and Ishmael did not step their feet in Mecca but their children, you will need to explain how they built Kaaba in Mecca when they were not there.

davien:
So "demons" control people's will'?

Yes.

Haven't you seen mad people before? What do you think is controlling their will?

truthman2012:
Yes.

Haven't you seen mad people before? What do you think is controlling their will?

So where is the will of your deity? Does the will of the demons supersede his own will? Smh.

Weah96:
So where is the will of your deity? Does the will of the demons supersede his own will? Smh.

The will of God is exppressed in His words. If anyone is not under His will, he/she is vulnerable to evil spirits.

That you don't believe in God is the work of the evil spirit. That is what the Devil wants for your life.

truthman2012:
The will of God is exppressed in His words. If anyone is not under His will, he/she is vulnerable to evil spirits.

That you don't believe in God is the work of the evil spirit. That is what the Devil wants for your life.

Who has the stronger will, your own God, or the demons that your God designed in his workshop?

Because the devil seems to be getting his way, even in the face of the will recorded in the bible.

truthman2012:
Yes.

Haven't you seen mad people before? What do you think is controlling their will?

As far as anyone can tell they have mental problems due to unusual brain activity....

Weah96:
Who has the stronger will, your own God, or the demons that your God designed in his workshop?

Because the devil seems to be getting his way, even in the face of the will recorded in the bible.

If you are not under the will of God, evil can prevail over you. You are not covered by God's protection and He would not force His will on you.

truthman2012:
If you are not under the will of God, evil can prevail over you. You are not covered by God's protection and He would not force His will on you.

But what is his will? You haven't answered that question. Who is overriding the will of this omnipotent person?

Weah96:
But what is his will? You haven't answered that question. Who is overriding the will of this omnipotent person?

I have said earlier that His will is in His words, you have to study to know them.

Overrinding the will of this Omnipotent person: where is His will overridden? No force can override His will in the lives of those under His will (I John 5:18).

truthman2012:
Tell me where you see Christians killing people of other religions for converting to Christianity.

Some mistakes cannot be forgiven.

PAGAN9JA:
Some mistakes cannot be forgiven.

Meaning?

I don't like commenting on certain issues but I can't resist the will to comment on this. Firstly, I don't have a problem with a critics voicing his opinion on a religious issue once it is well structured, but when the criticism is disillusioned, low mark and full of immature supposition, coming from idle hands and mind, who seek limelight for whatsoever reasons well known to him, then it becomes a problem. Even a blind man can smell how immature and unprofessional this piece from truthman2012 is. It is not by "borrowing" quotes from the internet and coiling and merging it with some restless thoughts that makes you a religious critics, it is the ability to study relentlessly a religion both scripturally and in deeds without any hint of hate, prejudice or fanatism that makes someone like me respect you as a critics. Secondly, you think you know Islam? Well, you don't, you are not even capable of realising that the Word ALLAH is only the arabic equivalent of the english Word GOD, as it is in OLOHUN in yoruba, YAHWEH in hebrew and DIEU in french, meaning you never study the Quran, neither did you study the deeds of respectable islamist you know, then why for God's sake do you debate on an issue you are ignorant of? Why would you accord yourself the liberty and luxury of critising something you have no knowledge of, such ego can not ne driven by other than fanatism and hate. For your information, all Abrahamic faiths stems from the same source and despite the differences we made of them today, they all cut their belief (I use singular here because they are all of one belief) off paganism, polytheism and atheism, so where in your scriptures if you believe in one, do you see Islam, one of the Abrahamic faith having ties with paganism and atheism? Thirdly, please go back history lane before making religious historical references, you need to learn about "heresy" from christianity perspective, research on crusaders, impact and methodology of christianity in conquered lands, ask what the take of christianity is on slavery and its trade in africa, you may have your eyes opened a bit, ofcourse if you derobe yourself of that fanatism and hatred I sensed in you. Fourthly, you don't judge a religion or a faith based on what you observed in a particular grroup of persons, it tends to lead you astray, the Army of God in USA is a christian group (please research this), I can't say christianity tolerate homosexuality beacause certain church priests and archbishops indulge in the act and I can say all christians are ignorant because truthman2012 who seems to be writing as a christian author is discussing off point! A constitution serves as the guide-line and identity of a people, Quran is the Islamic constitution, if you can't take your time to study it and research it before going against its faith and its people, then please write no more of your confusing pieces. Religious issues are not issues you tabled based on your own thoughts, they are issues worth intensive and sincere research. May God's peace be unto you.

eaziaque:
I don't like commenting on certain issues but I can't resist the will to comment on this. Firstly, I don't have a problem with a critics voicing his opinion on a religious issue once it is well structured, but when the criticism is disillusioned, low mark and full of immature supposition, coming from idle hands and mind, who seek limelight for whatsoever reasons well known to him, then it becomes a problem. Even a blind man can smell how immature and unprofessional this piece from truthman2012 is. It is not by "borrowing" quotes from the internet and coiling and merging it with some restless thoughts that makes you a religious critics, it is the ability to study relentlessly a religion both scripturally and in deeds without any hint of hate, prejudice or fanatism that makes someone like me respect you as a critics. Secondly, you think you know Islam? Well, you don't, you are not even capable of realising that the Word ALLAH is only the arabic equivalent of the english Word GOD, as it is in OLOHUN in yoruba, YAHWEH in hebrew and DIEU in french, meaning you never study the Quran, neither did you study the deeds of respectable islamist you know, then why for God's sake do you debate on an issue you are ignorant of? Why would you accord yourself the liberty and luxury of critising something you have no knowledge of, such ego can not ne driven by other than fanatism and hate. For your information, all Abrahamic faiths stems from the same source and despite the differences we made of them today, they all cut their belief (I use singular here because they are all of one belief) off paganism, polytheism and atheism, so where in your scriptures if you believe in one, do you see Islam, one of the Abrahamic faith having ties with paganism and atheism? Thirdly, please go back history lane before making religious historical references, you need to learn about "heresy" from christianity perspective, research on crusaders, impact and methodology of christianity in conquered lands, ask what the take of christianity is on slavery and its trade in africa, you may have your eyes opened a bit, ofcourse if you derobe yourself of that fanatism and hatred I sensed in you. Fourthly, you don't judge a religion or a faith based on what you observed in a particular grroup of persons, it tends to lead you astray, the Army of God in USA is a christian group (please research this), I can't say christianity tolerate homosexuality beacause certain church priests and archbishops indulge in the act and I can say all christians are ignorant because truthman2012 who seems to be writing as a christian author is discussing off point! A constitution serves as the guide-line and identity of a people, Quran is the Islamic constitution, if you can't take your time to study it and research it before going against its faith and its people, then please write no more of your confusing pieces. Religious issues are not issues you tabled based on your own thoughts, they are issues worth intensive and sincere research. May God's peace be unto you.

Allah is the deity muhammed grandfather worship during the pre-Islamic era infacte ,the manner in which Muslim worship Allah muhammed retain it for the worshipping of Allah (his father gods) there are evidence in your quran, I will provide it at your wish.

eaziaque:
I don't like commenting on certain issues but I can't resist the will to comment on this. Firstly, I don't have a problem with a critics voicing his opinion on a religious issue once it is well structured, but when the criticism is disillusioned, low mark and full of immature supposition, coming from idle hands and mind, who seek limelight for whatsoever reasons well known to him, then it becomes a problem. Even a blind man can smell how immature and unprofessional this piece from truthman2012 is. It is not by "borrowing" quotes from the internet and coiling and merging it with some restless thoughts that makes you a religious critics, it is the ability to study relentlessly a religion both scripturally and in deeds without any hint of hate, prejudice or fanatism that makes someone like me respect you as a critics. Secondly, you think you know Islam? Well, you don't, you are not even capable of realising that the Word ALLAH is only the arabic equivalent of the english Word GOD, as it is in OLOHUN in yoruba, YAHWEH in hebrew and DIEU in french, meaning you never study the Quran, neither did you study the deeds of respectable islamist you know, then why for God's sake do you debate on an issue you are ignorant of? Why would you accord yourself the liberty and luxury of critising something you have no knowledge of, such ego can not ne driven by other than fanatism and hate. For your information, all Abrahamic faiths stems from the same source and despite the differences we made of them today, they all cut their belief (I use singular here because they are all of one belief) off paganism, polytheism and atheism, so where in your scriptures if you believe in one, do you see Islam, one of the Abrahamic faith having ties with paganism and atheism? Thirdly, please go back history lane before making religious historical references, you need to learn about "heresy" from christianity perspective, research on crusaders, impact and methodology of christianity in conquered lands, ask what the take of christianity is on slavery and its trade in africa, you may have your eyes opened a bit, ofcourse if you derobe yourself of that fanatism and hatred I sensed in you. Fourthly, you don't judge a religion or a faith based on what you observed in a particular grroup of persons, it tends to lead you astray, the Army of God in USA is a christian group (please research this), I can't say christianity tolerate homosexuality beacause certain church priests and archbishops indulge in the act and I can say all christians are ignorant because truthman2012 who seems to be writing as a christian author is discussing off point! A constitution serves as the guide-line and identity of a people, Quran is the Islamic constitution, if you can't take your time to study it and research it before going against its faith and its people, then please write no more of your confusing pieces. Religious issues are not issues you tabled based on your own thoughts, they are issues worth intensive and sincere research. May God's peace be unto you.

I don't know why people keep showing their ignorance..
How many times have people tried to teach you lot that Olorun is not Yahweh, they have 0 thing in common

truthman2012:
Tell me where you see Christians killing people of other religions for converting to Christianity.

Well I've seen threats nd blackmail

macof:
Well I've seen threats nd blackmail

By who and where?

malvisguy212:
Allah is the deity muhammed grandfather worship during the pre-Islamic era infacte ,the manner in which Muslim worship Allah muhammed retain it for the worshipping of Allah (his father gods) there are evidence in your quran, I will provide it at your wish.

Yahweh is the deity Abraham worshipped.

If u think it is wrong for people to worship Mohammed's father's deity... Why do u think it is right for u to worship Abraham's deity?

frank317:
Yahweh is the deity Abraham worshipped.

If u think it is wrong for people to worship Mohammed's father's deity... Why do u think it is right for u to worship Abraham's deity?

muhammed father worship a deity "Allah" he cave with his hand, but Abraham worship the true God who created him.

malvisguy212:
muhammed father worship a deity "Allah" he cave with his hand, but Abraham worship the true God who created him.

lmao and how did you know this?..... cus the bible said so?

[quote author=macof post=29834515]I don't know why people keep showing their ignorance..
How many times have people tried to teach you lot that Olorun is not Yahweh, they have 0 thing in common[
YAHWEH is God's name in hebrew and Olohun is God's name in youruba, forget attributes or somethings, the fact is that theses NOUNS used to identify the existence, please I stand to be corrected and be enlightened on the difference between these 2. Thanks /quote]

eaziaque:
I don't like commenting on certain issues but I can't resist the will to comment on this. Firstly, I don't have a problem with a critics voicing his opinion on a religious issue once it is well structured, but when the criticism is disillusioned, low mark and full of immature supposition, coming from idle hands and mind, who seek limelight for whatsoever reasons well known to him, then it becomes a problem. Even a blind man can smell how immature and unprofessional this piece from truthman2012 is. It is not by "borrowing" quotes from the internet and coiling and merging it with some restless thoughts that makes you a religious critics, it is the ability to study relentlessly a religion both scripturally and in deeds without any hint of hate, prejudice or fanatism that makes someone like me respect you as a critics. Secondly, you think you know Islam? Well, you don't, you are not even capable of realising that the Word ALLAH is only the arabic equivalent of the english Word GOD, as it is in OLOHUN in yoruba, YAHWEH in hebrew and DIEU in french, meaning you never study the Quran, neither did you study the deeds of respectable islamist you know, then why for God's sake do you debate on an issue you are ignorant of? Why would you accord yourself the liberty and luxury of critising something you have no knowledge of, such ego can not ne driven by other than fanatism and hate. For your information, all Abrahamic faiths stems from the same source and despite the differences we made of them today, they all cut their belief (I use singular here because they are all of one belief) off paganism, polytheism and atheism, so where in your scriptures if you believe in one, do you see Islam, one of the Abrahamic faith having ties with paganism and atheism? Thirdly, please go back history lane before making religious historical references, you need to learn about "heresy" from christianity perspective, research on crusaders, impact and methodology of christianity in conquered lands, ask what the take of christianity is on slavery and its trade in africa, you may have your eyes opened a bit, ofcourse if you derobe yourself of that fanatism and hatred I sensed in you. Fourthly, you don't judge a religion or a faith based on what you observed in a particular grroup of persons, it tends to lead you astray, the Army of God in USA is a christian group (please research this), I can't say christianity tolerate homosexuality beacause certain church priests and archbishops indulge in the act and I can say all christians are ignorant because truthman2012 who seems to be writing as a christian author is discussing off point! A constitution serves as the guide-line and identity of a people, Quran is the Islamic constitution, if you can't take your time to study it and research it before going against its faith and its people, then please write no more of your confusing pieces. Religious issues are not issues you tabled based on your own thoughts, they are issues worth intensive and sincere research. May God's peace be unto you.

I don't use my words, I use islamic records.

malvisguy212:
Allah is the deity muhammed grandfather worship during the pre-Islamic era infacte ,the manner in which Muslim worship Allah muhammed retain it for the worshipping of Allah (his father gods) there are evidence in your quran, I will provide it at your wish.

Brother, you don't need my permission to publish any of your evidence or proofs, be free to do so, I'm waiting please. And I told you to go on more religious historical researchs before publishing certain things. It is true that prior to Islam as a religion in the Arabias, there was a lot idol worshipping, of which some members of Prophet Mohammed's (PBUH) housedolds were practitioners, even his uncle who raised him was one, but if Islam was idol worshipping as you claimed, then why was the Prophet beaten, percecuted, his followers killed and even driven out of their homelands? Why did the Makkans waged several wars against him and practioners of Islam if Islam doesn't contradict their own faith? why was when during their flee from their homes as God commanded them to do so, they were they accepted and protected by the christian King of Abbysinia, now Ethiopia, one of the strongest and faithful christian of that era. You need to learn more about this religion before you can accord yourself the right to critise it. The arabians were not only pagans before the arrival of Islam, they were christians and jews too, and even during the early era of Islamic faith, churches are the places of worship for muslims before muslims started building Masjids (mosques), if they were worshipping the idols of Makkah as you claimed, would the christians and jews have accepted them to use their holy sanctuaries as a place of worship, these are not make-ups on my behalf, they are facts you can find if you really do your research, honestly I don't have anything against you promoting your religion and trying to expose what bad and ungodly you think there are in another, but please do this in a Godly way, do it free of suppositions and favours for or hatred against any of these religions, because as one of the Nairalanders commented, you may be cursing the name of the same God you believe in, all because you don't understand a language or do enough research concerning the religion you are critisizing, bearing false witness is one of the greatest sins, I'm sure you agree with me. Ask yourself why the christians and jews in Medina tolerated Islam and its practitioners in their midst before concluding Islam is a idol worshipping religion. And please I will be glad to have your proofs in form of quotes of Quran about Islam being paganism. May God's peace and blessings be upon you.

eaziaque:
Brother, you don't need my permission to publish any of your evidence or proofs, be free to do so, I'm waiting please. And I told you to go on more religious historical researchs before publishing certain things. It is true that prior to Islam as a religion in the Arabias, there was a lot idol worshipping, of which some members of Prophet Mohammed's (PBUH) housedolds were practitioners, even his uncle who raised him was one, but if Islam was idol worshipping as you claimed, then why was the Prophet beaten, percecuted, his followers killed and even driven out of their homelands? Why did the Makkans waged several wars against him and practioners of Islam if Islam doesn't contradict their own faith? why was when during their flee from their homes as God commanded them to do so, they were they accepted and protected by the christian King of Abbysinia, now Ethiopia, one of the strongest and faithful christian of that era. You need to learn more about this religion before you can accord yourself the right to critise it. The arabians were not only pagans before the arrival of Islam, they were christians and jews too, and even during the early era of Islamic faith, churches are the places of worship for muslims before muslims started building Masjids (mosques), if they were worshipping the idols of Makkah as you claimed, would the christians and jews have accepted them to use their holy sanctuaries as a place of worship, these are not make-ups on my behalf, they are facts you can find if you really do your research, honestly I don't have anything against you promoting your religion and trying to expose what bad and ungodly you think there are in another, but please do this in a Godly way, do it free of suppositions and favours for or hatred against any of these religions, because as one of the Nairalanders commented, you may be cursing the name of the same God you believe in, all because you don't understand a language or do enough research concerning the religion you are critisizing, bearing false witness is one of the greatest sins, I'm sure you agree with me. Ask yourself why the christians and jews in Medina tolerated Islam and its practitioners in their midst before concluding Islam is a idol worshipping religion. And please I will be glad to have your proofs in form of quotes of Quran about Islam being paganism. May God's peace and blessings be upon you.

During the early stages of his prophetic
career in Mecca, Muhammad and his
followers prayed towards Jerusalem.
Even after their migration (hijra) to
Medina, Muslims continued with this
practice for about sixteen to seventeen
months. Islamic sources such as the
Qur’an, Sira and Tafsir, speak of the
change of Qiblah (Kiblah), from the
former Qiblah (Jerusalem) to the new
Qiblah (Mecca). Thus, Islam’s Qiblah was
originally towards Jerusalem. It is only
when Muhammad desired to pray
towards the Ka’ba in Mecca that Allah, as
usual, obliged and revealed the following
Qur’anic verse:
Surah (Al-Baqarah) 2:144: “We see
the turning of thy face for guidance to
the heavens: now shall We turn thee
to a Qibla that shall please thee.
Turn then Thy face in the direction
of the sacred Mosque : Wherever ye
are, turn your faces in that
direction.” (Yusuf Ali)
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2,
Number 39:
Narrated By Al-Bara’ (bin ‘Azib): When
the Prophet came to Medina, he
stayed first with his grandfathers or
maternal uncles from Ansar. He
offered his prayers facing Baitul-
Maqdis (Jerusalem) for sixteen or
seventeen months, but he wished
that he could pray facing the Ka’ba
(at Mecca). The first prayer which he
offered facing the Ka’ba was the ‘Asr
prayer in the company of some
people. Then one of those who had
offered that prayer with him came
out and passed by some people in a
mosque who were bowing during
their prayers (facing Jerusalem). He
said addressing them, “By Allah, I
testify that I have prayed with Allah’s
Apostle facing Mecca (Ka’ba).” Hearing
that, those people changed their
direction towards the Ka’ba
immediately. Jews and the people of
the scriptures used to be pleased to
see the Prophet facing Jerusalem in
prayers but when he changed his
direction towards the Ka’ba, during
the prayers, they disapproved of it.
Al-Bara’ added, “Before we changed
our direction towards the Ka’ba
(Mecca) in prayers, some Muslims
had died or had been killed and we
did not know what to say about them
(regarding their prayers.) Allah then
revealed: And Allah would never
make your faith (prayers) to be lost
(i.e. the prayers of those Muslims
were valid).'” (2:143).
Why did Muhammad express a desire to
pray facing the Ka’ba while it remained a
pagan shrine? At the time when Surah
2:144 was revealed to change the Qiblah
from Jerusalem to Mecca, the Ka’ba was
still a pagan shrine housing 360 pagan
idols. Why would Allah permit his
Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while it
was still polluted with 360 pagan idols?
The command given in the Qur’an to
change the Qiblah predates by years the
conquest of Mecca. Those idols were
destroyed only after the conquest of
Mecca. Thus, during all those intervening
years, between the time the Qiblah was
changed towards the Ka’ba and the
conquest of Mecca, whenever
Muhammad faced the Ka’ba to pray, the
Ka’ba remained a shrine of idol-worship.
This is not an insignificant matter in
terms of worship. Why was Muhammad
not commanded to wait until the removal
of those idols? Why did Allah submit to
Muhammad’s desire and as a result
make it a requirement for the early
Muslims to bow towards the direction of
the pagan idols, whenever they approach
him in prayer during all those
intervening years? Did not Allah say, “To
Allah belongs the East and the West”?
Why, then must the prayers of the
Muslims be directed towards the pagan
shrine in order to reach the ears of
Allah? Notice the commanding tone of
Allah in Surah 2:144:

truthman2012:
By who and where?

By pastors, evangelists, the media, the churches down the street.

[quote author=eaziaque post=29839788][/quote]What do u know about Ifa? Definitely nothing...
So pls take the Yoruba out of ur delusions

Btw to ur last post- The pagan Arabs were against Mohammed because he sought to destroy their pantheon, leaving only Allah...this is a very wrong thing to do

truthman2012:
This is a distortion of the Bible by the writer, a man raised up to distort the truth. You parade islamic sites pasting so many fallacies on the Bible thinking you are making points.

Woww so wikipedia is now an Islamic site?

People in the islamic sites cannot know the God of the Bible as they don't have the spirit of the Bible.

You mean the spirit that led over 41000 denominations to different dogmas and views?

It is one thing to read the Bible, it is another thing to know the mind of God when He speaks.

But what makes you think you the pope is not right?

Act8:27-31).

I have no bisness with the ethopian man.

Paran Is Not In Mecca

Then where is Paran? in Israel? How?

"At the end of forty days they returned from exploring the land. They came back to Moses and Aaron and the whole Israelite community at Kadesh in the Desert of Paran. There they reported to them and to the whole assembly and showed them the fruit of the land. They gave Moses this account: 'We went into the land to which you sent us, and it does flow with milk and honey! Here is its fruit.'" Numbers 13:25-27

Are you having problem with english here

The underlined did'nt say "Israel community" but rather " Israelite community " which means settlements of the israelites in an environment that is not theirs...for example Hausa community in Lagos does not mean Lagos is an hausa land, does it?

The israelite community been reffered to are groups of people that are Israelites.

We see in another verse:Num 20:1 In the first month the whole Israelite community arrived at the Desert of Zin, and they stayed at Kadesh. There Miriam died and was buried.

Oya say another lie.

Can you see that Paran is part of Israelite community?

Lol! you need to brush your english for it to be more sharp in comprehending simple words, bros Israelite community is different from israel community...

These be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side of Jordan in the wilderness in the plain over against the Red Sea and between[b] Paran [/b]and Tophel and Laban and Hazeroth and Dizahab (Deut. 1:1). Tell me, were Moses and the Israelites in Paran in Mecca? Paran is never Mecca.

This proves nothing,

Firstly you have to interprete those other places mentioned in the above verse with evidence that they are all in israel.

Then secondly we are told that moses and his fighters were on their way to take possession of the promised land and we are later told in the OT that moses was only able see the promise land but coudnt reach it. Now the Question is, Is Israel not part of the promise land

Since you have no choice but to agree that Abraham and Ishmael did not step their feet in Mecca but their children, you will need to explain how they built Kaaba in Mecca when they were not there.

They indeed stepped into mecca since the desert of paran is in mecca.

macof:
By pastors, evangelists, the media, the churches down the street.

Proof required