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Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by IdaraCHODB(m): 6:16pm On Aug 23, 2014
So many threads about synthetic engine oil, next to none about synthetic ATF.

Is anyone in the house using synthetic ATF?

Did you use dyno ATF then switched? Or have you always used synthetic ATF?

Please share your experiences and recommendations. You might just succeed in saving a (car's) life or even extending it. Who knows?
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by uboma(m): 7:07pm On Aug 23, 2014
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Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by sooperrescue(m): 12:31am On Aug 24, 2014
We have been advertising our synthetic transmission fluid since 2012 and have been advising a lot of Nairalanders on the oil to use. Our pureguard is a Dexron 6 global synthetic transmission fluid. Ideal for almost all cars except CVT. We also sell Pureguard multi Vehicle CVT fluid.
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by IdaraCHODB(m): 6:54pm On Aug 24, 2014
To set the discussion rolling let me share my personal story and end it with a question:

I used a dyno ATF in a transmission i replaced and the next day, I drove the vehicle like i stole it from Benin to Abuja in 4 hours, the next day when I hooked up the OBD reader, it told me that the ATF has deteriorated and should be replaced. The distance I covered was not more than 500 kilometres.

Midway through the journey the transmission started slipping between 3rd and 4th gear. When I arrived, it smelt burnt. Needless to say, I replaced it ASAP following the OBD reader's result I spoke off above.

Would that have happened with a synthetic ATF? What do you think?

If you want to drive an automatic to its limits, should you use dyno or synth in its transmission? What's your opinion?
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by Nobody: 9:45pm On Aug 24, 2014
IdaraCHODB:
I used a dyno ATF in a transmission i replaced and the next day, I drove the vehicle like i stole it from Benin to Abuja in 4 hours, the next day when I hooked up the OBD reader, it told me that the ATF has deteriorated and should be replaced. The distance I covered was not more than 500 kilometres.
Would that have happened with a synthetic ATF? What do you think?
If you want to drive an automatic to its limits, should you use dyno or synth in its transmission? What's your opinion?
Had nothing to do with the ATF if the recommended one was used. (Nothing really special about synthetic.) The transmission was bad ab initio.
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by sultaan(m): 4:45pm On Aug 25, 2014
IdaraCHODB: To set the discussion rolling let me share my personal story and end it with a question:

I used a dyno ATF in a transmission i replaced and the next day, I drove the vehicle like i stole it from Benin to Abuja in 4 hours, the next day when I hooked up the OBD reader, it told me that the ATF has deteriorated and should be replaced. The distance I covered was not more than 500 kilometres.

Midway through the journey the transmission started slipping between 3rd and 4th gear. When I arrived, it smelt burnt. Needless to say, I replaced it ASAP following the OBD reader's result I spoke off above.

Would that have happened with a synthetic ATF? What do you think?

If you want to drive an automatic to its limits, should you use dyno or synth in its transmission? What's your opinion?

WHat type of fluid did you use in what model year car?

I am guessing Acura MDX and for that you needed DW1 no other fluid.

There are 4- 5 types of fluid in the market used in most brands, Toyota Type F, Honda DW1, Ford Mercon, GM Dextron VI, and CVT fluids.

Fluids depends on who built the transmission.If the same transmission is in Jaguar,ford, Aston martin, then you use same fluid.
If it is in jeep, mercedes, chrysler, use same fluid understanding that most manufacturers now only build the engines and other parts are outsourced is knowing what parts are compatible with other brands.
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by IdaraCHODB(m): 12:09am On Aug 28, 2014
Costee:
Had nothing to do with the ATF if the recommended one was used. (Nothing really special about synthetic.) The transmission was bad ab initio.

The complete OBD fault error was ATF low or deteriorated.

Once I dropped the ATF and replaced with new fluid it went away. I also noticed that some of the lines were not properly tightened. Ever since then it has shifted properly and has been a faithful servant on several long distance trips.

So i guess it had to do with either/both the leaks ( as I said it was fixed the day before and I didn't really take the time to check all the lines, you think a professional should not consider his job done without such verification) and the possibly heating beyond acceptable paramaters.

Everything is back to normal, no slips, hence the above conclusion
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by Nobody: 1:21pm On Aug 28, 2014
IdaraCHODB: To set the discussion rolling let me share my personal story and end it with a question:

I used a dyno ATF in a transmission i replaced and the next day, I drove the vehicle like i stole it from Benin to Abuja in 4 hours, the next day when I hooked up the OBD reader, it told me that the ATF has deteriorated and should be replaced.
My reading of this was that you test-drove the car after installing a new (used) transmission. The fluid in the transmission must have completely degraded. So what fluid did you now use?
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by IdaraCHODB(m): 5:42pm On Aug 28, 2014
Costee:
My reading of this was that you test-drove the car after installing a new (used) transmission. The fluid in the transmission must have completely degraded. So what fluid did you now use?

Quite correct.

On the day it was fixed, i did 50 miles on the expressway heading to Asaba then made a u-turn back to Benin. Everything was fine. The next day on my trip between Benin and Abuja I experienced symptoms earlier described.

Oanda Dexron III was used during the fix, and I am currently using but i intend to switch to either Valvoline Dextron VI Fully Synthetic ATF or RedLine D6 Fully Synthetic ATF
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by IdaraCHODB(m): 8:27pm On Aug 28, 2014
sultaan:

WHat type of fluid did you use in what model year car?

I am guessing Acura MDX and for that you needed DW1 no other fluid.

There are 4- 5 types of fluid in the market used in most brands, Toyota Type F, Honda DW1, Ford Mercon, GM Dextron VI, and CVT fluids.

Fluids depends on who built the transmission.If the same transmission is in Jaguar,ford, Aston martin, then you use same fluid.
If it is in jeep, mercedes, chrysler, use same fluid understanding that most manufacturers now only build the engines and other parts are outsourced is knowing what parts are compatible with other brands.

Fluid used: Oando Dexron III

Transmission is GF4A-EL. Same transmission is used by Ford, Jaguar to the best of my knowledge.

Since the manufacturer specified Dexron III and the standard has been phased out, I am moving to Dexron VI and I am considering trying Valvoline and/or RedLine.
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by Nobody: 10:26pm On Aug 28, 2014
IdaraCHODB:

Fluid used: Oando Dexron III

Transmission is GF4A-EL. Same transmission is used by Ford, Jaguar to the best of my knowledge.

Since the manufacturer specified Dexron III and the standard has been phased out, I am moving to Dexron VI and I am considering trying Valvoline and/or RedLine.
Somehow you just never mentioned your car make/model. I presume it's Mazda from that transmission number.
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by IdaraCHODB(m): 10:33pm On Aug 28, 2014
Costee:
Somehow you just never mentioned your car make/model. I presume it's Mazda from that transmission number.
Spot on
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by sultaan(m): 11:43pm On Aug 28, 2014
Ford usually require Mercon trans fluid
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by sooperrescue(m): 7:42pm On Aug 29, 2014
sultaan: Ford usually require Mercon trans fluid
That is true. Most likely Mercon V which is not OANDO Dexron 111 compatible
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by IdaraCHODB(m): 3:37pm On Aug 30, 2014
Except that the manual specified Dexron III not Mercon and since Dexron III has been superseded by Dextron VI. I think I need to move there. Sadly, to the best of my knowledge and belief no company in Nigeria produces Dexron VI whether dyno or synth

Which is why I need to look outside
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by sultaan(m): 4:46pm On Aug 30, 2014
There is a lot of things outside the imagination of our people that we need to get ahead but those who proper in the midst of chaos will love to keep things the way they are good thing Nigeria airways died they would have killed a lot of people. Nigeria is intending on discouraging tech. The best car is the 1997-1999 Camry and best truck is the 1980s Mack this. Companies are obligated to make support parts8 year after the stop the product but we want the 15- 25 years later because it is more comfortable
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by sooperrescue(m): 9:44pm On Aug 30, 2014
Contact us, we have Dexron 6 global synthetic
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by Denn(m): 2:12pm On Aug 31, 2014
sooperrescue: Contact us, we have Dexron 6 global synthetic

in a bid to sell, please i would advise that you list the vehicles that can use your dextron 6.

most viewers do not know the difference and a lot of mechanics top up ATF systems with ABRO.

do not go the same lane.

do a little bit of research and list the vehicles using your fluid.

over50% of permanent transmission failure in nigeria occur because people add the wrong ATF (statistics from my experience).

for the fact that it is synthetic doesnt make it a one-drug-cures-all
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by sooperrescue(m): 2:22pm On Aug 31, 2014
Denn:
in a bid to sell, please i would advise that you list the vehicles that can use your dextron 6.
most viewers do not know the difference and a lot of mechanics top up ATF systems with ABRO.
do not go the same lane.
do a little bit of research and list the vehicles using your fluid.
over50% of permanent transmission failure in nigeria occur because people add the wrong ATF (statistics from my experience).
for the fact that it is synthetic doesnt make it a one-drug-cures-all
I have a thread on Nairaland on Automatic fluids, getting the right one and I know what I am talking about. But for your information, let me attach the spec sheet and the vehicles it works with.

Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by sooperrescue(m): 2:35pm On Aug 31, 2014
PURE GUARD
PRODUCT DATA BULLETIN
P.O. Box 78100, Baton Rouge, LA 70837-8100 225-261-6559 225-261-6580 (FAX)
Rev. A 9/25/07
PURE GUARD GLOBAL AUTOMATIC
TRANSMISSION FLUID
DESCRIPTION AND APPLICATIONS
PURE GUARD Global ATF is a premium fluid designed for automatic transmissions of
all North American, European, and Asia-Pacific-made vehicles. PURE GUARD Global
ATF provides exceptional oxidation, wear, frictional stability, and anti-shudder properties
required in today’s high performance transmissions. It also designed to deliver premium
performance in older transmissions.
Product Specifications:
Specific Gravity @60°F (H2O=1) 0.86 - 0.88
Viscosity, @ 100°C, cSt, typ. 7.6
Brookfield Viscosity, cP, max 13,000
Flash Point, °F (°C) Min. 330 (165)
Pour Point, °C (F) < -43 (-45.40)
Color and Appearance Red liquid
Packaging Specifications:
Bottle 32 fluid ounces (946 ml), HDPE plastic bottle
Product Claims:
PURE GUARD Global ATF Meets or exceeds requirements of Ford’s Mercon V. Will
perform satisfactory in Mercon SP, Dexron-VI and Toyota WS applications. Suitable for
Chrysler vehicles where ATF+4 and ATF+3 are required.
It can also be used where fluids meeting Ford ESP-M2C138CJ or Ford M2C166-H
specifications are required. Exceeds Alison C4 specifications. Recommended for
Mercedes transmissions. Not recommended for use where Ford Type F fluid is required.
Detailed list of recommended specifications is below:
Manufacturer Specification
Acura ATF-Z1 (Except in CVTs)
Allison C-4
Audi G-055-025-A2
BMW LA2634,LT71141; Texaco ETL-7045-E, ETL-8027B, Shell M1375.4
Chrysler ATF+4®, ATF+3®, ATF+2®, ATF+®
Ford MERCON SP®, MERCON LV®, MERCON V®,MERCON®,XT-9QMM5
General Motors DEXRON VI®, DEXRON V, DEXRON III®, 9986195, Type A, Suffix A (TASA)
Honda ATF-Z1 (except in CVTs)
Hyundai SP-II, SP-III
Idemitsu K17
PURE GUARD
PRODUCT DATA BULLETIN
P.O. Box 78100, Baton Rouge, LA 70837-8100 225-261-6559 225-261-6580 (FAX)
Rev. A 9/25/07
Infinity Matic-D, Matic-J, Matic-K
Isuzu Genuine
Jaguar Shell M1375.4
Kia All Specifications
Land Rover Texaco N402, Shell M1375.4
Lexus Type T, T-III, T-IV
MAN 339F
Mazda ATF M-V
Mercedes Benz Sheet 236.x
Mitsubishi Diamond SP-II, SP-III
Nissan Matic-D, Matic-J, Matic-K
Saab Transmax J
Subaru All specifications
Toyota Type T, T-III, T-IV
Voith 55.6335.32 (G607)
Volvo All specifications
Volkswagen TL52162, G052 990
ZF TE-ML 03D, 04D, 14A, 14B, 16L, 17C
Various (Aisin-Warner Transmissions) JWS-3309
Hazards:
Contains Petroleum Distillates. Use with adequate ventilation. Keep away from heat,
flame and all other sources of ignition. Avoid prolonged contact with skin. In case of
contact, wash thoroughly with soap and water. Do not take internally. If swallowed, do
not induce vomiting. Call physician or Poison Control Center immediately. Keep out of
reach of children.
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by IdaraCHODB(m): 5:09am On Sep 05, 2014
Some reasons to consider Synthetic ATF:

1 – Better Resistance to Oxidation
2 – Smoother Shifting
3 – Reduced Costs and Spent Time
4 – Resistance to Oxidative and Thermal Degradation
5 – Extended Transmission Life
6 – Rust Reduction

Read more: http://www.doityourself.com/stry/benefits-of-using-synthetic-transmission-fluid#.VAk2XVfCfwI

update, everything worked fine with Oando Dexron III until I tried to drive at speeds far in excess of 90km/hr ( don't ask me just how far in excess) and where, and within 1 hour of attaining such speeds two solenoids died in my transmission.

So i replaced the transmission and everything worked fine, so I decided to do the same thing again, and I got the exact same result - the exact same two solenoids started misbehaving then gave out, the shocking thing is that when the second transmission started acting up, the transmission fluid had not done up to 500 kilometres

So I said there must be something wrong - most likely thermal degradation

I will replace the solenoids since I have 2 perfectly functional transmissions less 4 broken down solenoids, which is why I said - don't try to drive very fast with this kind of ATF, it will create the kind of heat that will so break it down that it will not do its job of protecting your transmission
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by Nobody: 5:38pm On Jan 27, 2015
sooperrescue:
PURE GUARD
PRODUCT DATA BULLETIN
P.O. Box 78100, Baton Rouge, LA 70837-8100 225-261-6559 225-261-6580 (FAX)
Rev. A 9/25/07
PURE GUARD GLOBAL AUTOMATIC
TRANSMISSION FLUID
DESCRIPTION AND APPLICATIONS
PURE GUARD Global ATF is a premium fluid designed for automatic transmissions of
all North American, European, and Asia-Pacific-made vehicles. PURE GUARD Global
ATF provides exceptional oxidation, wear, frictional stability, and anti-shudder properties
required in today’s high performance transmissions. It also designed to deliver premium
performance in older transmissions.
Product Specifications:
Specific Gravity @60°F (H2O=1) 0.86 - 0.88
Viscosity, @ 100°C, cSt, typ. 7.6
Brookfield Viscosity, cP, max 13,000
Flash Point, °F (°C) Min. 330 (165)
Pour Point, °C (F) < -43 (-45.40)
Color and Appearance Red liquid
Packaging Specifications:
Bottle 32 fluid ounces (946 ml), HDPE plastic bottle
Product Claims:
PURE GUARD Global ATF Meets or exceeds requirements of Ford’s Mercon V. Will
perform satisfactory in Mercon SP, Dexron-VI and Toyota WS applications. Suitable for
Chrysler vehicles where ATF+4 and ATF+3 are required.
It can also be used where fluids meeting Ford ESP-M2C138CJ or Ford M2C166-H
specifications are required. Exceeds Alison C4 specifications. Recommended for
Mercedes transmissions. Not recommended for use where Ford Type F fluid is required.
Detailed list of recommended specifications is below:
Manufacturer Specification
Acura ATF-Z1 (Except in CVTs)
Allison C-4
Audi G-055-025-A2
BMW LA2634,LT71141; Texaco ETL-7045-E, ETL-8027B, Shell M1375.4
Chrysler ATF+4®, ATF+3®, ATF+2®, ATF+®
Ford MERCON SP®, MERCON LV®, MERCON V®,MERCON®,XT-9QMM5
General Motors DEXRON VI®, DEXRON V, DEXRON III®, 9986195, Type A, Suffix A (TASA)
Honda ATF-Z1 (except in CVTs)
Hyundai SP-II, SP-III
Idemitsu K17
PURE GUARD
PRODUCT DATA BULLETIN
P.O. Box 78100, Baton Rouge, LA 70837-8100 225-261-6559 225-261-6580 (FAX)
Rev. A 9/25/07
Infinity Matic-D, Matic-J, Matic-K
Isuzu Genuine
Jaguar Shell M1375.4
Kia All Specifications
Land Rover Texaco N402, Shell M1375.4
Lexus Type T, T-III, T-IV
MAN 339F
Mazda ATF M-V
Mercedes Benz Sheet 236.x
Mitsubishi Diamond SP-II, SP-III
Nissan Matic-D, Matic-J, Matic-K
Saab Transmax J
Subaru All specifications
Toyota Type T, T-III, T-IV
Voith 55.6335.32 (G607)
Volvo All specifications
Volkswagen TL52162, G052 990
ZF TE-ML 03D, 04D, 14A, 14B, 16L, 17C
Various (Aisin-Warner Transmissions) JWS-3309
Hazards:
Contains Petroleum Distillates. Use with adequate ventilation. Keep away from heat,
flame and all other sources of ignition. Avoid prolonged contact with skin. In case of
contact, wash thoroughly with soap and water. Do not take internally. If swallowed, do
not induce vomiting. Call physician or Poison Control Center immediately. Keep out of
reach of children.


I'd like to know if its compatible with bmw e46 series. GM/ZHF transmission. If so. How much? Reply me here..I'll not pm you or text you privately
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by IdaraCHODB(m): 6:12pm On Jan 27, 2015
adeniyisavage:



I'd like to know if its compatible with bmw e46 series. GM/ZHF transmission. If so. How much? Reply me here..I'll not pm you or text you privately

Hope this helps: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=444727
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by lonelydora: 6:34am On Jan 28, 2015
Synthetic or Non-synthetic, na DW1 i know, and na him I go dey use till Honda say otherwise.
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by IdaraCHODB(m): 9:47am On Jan 28, 2015
lonelydora:
Synthetic or Non-synthetic, na DW1 i know, and na him I go dey use till Honda say otherwise.

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Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by sooperrescue(m): 3:18am On Feb 03, 2015
Yes Pureguard works well with your BMW as stated in the spec sheet. BMW LA2634,LT71141; Texaco ETL-7045-E, ETL-8027B, Shell M1375.4. They are similar fluids with the Range Rover which we use daily in our workshop in Lagos. I am not permitted to give you the price here.
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by sultaan(m): 3:53am On Feb 03, 2015
sooperrescue:
Yes Pureguard works well with your BMW as stated in the spec sheet. BMW LA2634,LT71141; Texaco ETL-7045-E, ETL-8027B, Shell M1375.4. They are similar fluids with the Range Rover which we use daily in our workshop in Lagos. I am not permitted to give you the price here.

Who complained about price of oil?
Biko you get something you dey hide?
Re: Synthetic ATF Not Just Synthetic Engine Oil by sooperrescue(m): 1:05pm On Feb 03, 2015
sultaan:

Who complained about price of oil?
Biko you get something you dey hide?

Bros, the BMW e46 guy asked for the oil and he say he want the price online and he nor go text me or pm me. Na him need oil and na him dey give condition.

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