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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:54am On Jan 31, 2015
andrewza:



It called SEAD. Recovery of personal from hostile with enemy anti air arround by helicopter is very common.


SEAD = Suppression Of Enemy Air Defences

Can you ask SAAF to use Gripen jet to carry out SEAD on your own people if terrorists invade Soweto township? You know how many people will die in a high calibre weapons/ordnance SEAD campaign when innocent civilians become human shield victims of terrorists, I think you don't know the difference between fighting war inside your own house and fighting in a foreign land. USA and NATO were trigger happy to do air campaign SEAD on Iraq and killed thousands of civilians, if the enemy is inside New York city, will they launch the same massive air strike on the heads of their own fellow Americans?

It is easy to use other countries' territory for military weapon testing and shooting practice experiment, America was using aircraft fired depleted radioactive uranium cannon shells on Iraq, can they use it on an enemy inside American territory?
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:56am On Jan 31, 2015
andrewza:


They far from ultra modern.

How many you getting.

In your absence from forum, we have fully compared BTR-4 with NATO's Patria and SANDF Badger, the technical specs all round makes BTR-4 better than anything SANDF can hope to buy as IFV.

Numbers of BTR-4 in NA are classified, secret.

Nigeria has many IFVs, nobody knows the full arsenal of Nigerian military.

We have BTR-3 IFV, BTR-4 IFV, BVP M80 IFV.

Reputable sources say that next week more BVP IFV will arrive Nigeria from Czech republic by air in about 3 days time.

Nobody knows all Nigerian weapons, secret secret, only this week did we know Nigeria has missile armed drones....secret !

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:47am On Jan 31, 2015
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[size=16pt]Enter The BVP M80 Infantry Fighting Vehicle....

Nigerian Army Buys More IFVs....full arsenal remains secret !
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http://www.praguepost.com/the-big-story/44075-nigeria-buys-czech-weapons-to-fight-boko-haram





To the untrained eye, many may confuse the BVP M80 with the Russian BMP-2 at first glance, however the easiest way to recognise the M80 (&M80A) is it has five road wheels (these are the ones between the front and rear wheels, which are called drive and return wheels) where as the Russian BMP’s have six. The M80’s also have smaller turrets and overall are almost half a meter shorter.

The M-80 was the former Yugoslavia’s first IFV and first prototypes were delivered to the Army for field testing in 1974. It entered service & full production in 1982, but had a short run of just a year and was replaced with the improved M-80A.

Mobility

The original M80 used a 260hp French engine as used in their AMX-10 APC. However the M80A used the improved 315hp German Daimler-Benz, which gave an increased speed and power to weight ratio and was built under licence by FAMOS.

The vehicle is fully amphibious after erection of the water trim and is propelled by the vehicles tracks.

Protection

The vehicle was steel in construction, but is believed to have used Aluminium / Titanium on top of this, similar to the Bradley, but offered better protection over the BMP-2. It was equipped with smoke grenade dischargers and diesel could be injected on to the hot exhaust to generate smoke screens. An NBC and fire suppression system in the infantry compartment was installed.

Firepower

The principal weapon is the HS 804, 20mm auto cannon and carries total of 1400 rounds.

For close encounters it uses a coaxial 7.62mm MG and carries a total of 2000 rounds.

The vehicle has a turret roof mounted twin launcher, which fires the Russian AT-3 Sagger Anti-Tank Wire Guided Missile, which is licence manufactured. 4 further missiles are stored in the vehicle. The launcher is reloaded via the two roof hatches in the infantry section of the vehicle (at the rear of the hull).

The embarked infantry can also support close encounters with their personal arms by firing through the 3 ports on either side of the vehicle in their compartment. Each port has a periscope for aiming.

Crew

The driver sits front left, with the commander directly behind him, with the engine to their right. The one man turret is located in the centre of the vehicle, housing the gunner. 6 infantrymen are in the rear and sit back to back, (3per side) down the centre. The disembark via two large doors in the rear of the vehicle.

Variants

The M80 AK

BVP M80AK – New one man turret (angled sides, older M80 & M80A are circular) with a 30mm main gun and Sagger launcher.

BVP M80A1 – Two man turret armed with twin 30mm Anti-Aircraft guns, prototype only.

BVP M80A KC – Company commanders vehicle.

BVP M80A KB – Battalion commanders vehicle.

BVP M80A LT anti-tank – New turret with a ready to fire launcher, which holds 6 Stagger missiles at once.

BVP M80A Sn – Non turret ambulance.

SAVA – Low altitude SAM system.

http://tanknutdave.com/the-bvp-m80-ifv/

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:35am On Jan 31, 2015
Henry120:


You must be absolutely deluded to claim the above as military victories.

If you knew your military history you would know this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hqYGHZCJwk

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:41am On Jan 31, 2015
agaugust:


Orange colour boat might be choice for easy ID at sea in deep offshore waters, it is unique and the crew knows their boat different from pirates boats at sea, easy ID at a distance if sailors want to shoot at pirates or see how their own boat crew is faring afar off, also easy to see in storm for rescue and pick up.

LOL, you are always intimidated by Nigerian Navy's stealth fleet of 2 units of OPVs, 2 units of MPVs, 60 units of IPVs, 62 stealth vessels that South African navy does NOT have....reason why you say Nigerian stealth ships are not stealth, LOL...stealth capability built in Europe and Asia...Manufacturer specs clearly and repeatedly says NNS Centenary is stealth and TOTALLY invisible to enemy radar at a long distance, only at close distance will radar detect a much smaller image and think it is a canoe or tiny fishing boat.

The video also shows the sea trials prove the ship is modular and can be easily reconfigured from OPV to light frigate in case war arises, the ship has amidships on deck midpoint vertical missile launchers and astern mid deck vertical rocket launchers, all tested at sea before hand over to NN, but likely all launchers removed after testing and debugging to return it to regular OPV status. The missile test is shown in the video at minutes 1:30 to 1:40, clean and clear !

It's no big deal to understand for intelligent folks....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE3170G4rhA&feature=player_embedded

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No augugbugug - it is a civilian grade life raft installed on a military ship because as usual Nigeria is unable to impliment systems properly.

No manufacturer specs say that it is invisible to radar - none at all. Simply looking at the design you can see that it is not stealth - all that deck clutter.

Finally, that is not a video of YOUR OPV being sea tested - that is stock video from a propmotional video for the vessel. No missiles were tested on your vessel, and it is not modular.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AQ-J4EEgPY

Your vessel is not a warship - so stop trying to promote it as such

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:42am On Jan 31, 2015
agaugust:


Report was posted here last year and confirmed SAN chased pirates but could NEVER catch one grin

There are very few pirates in Mozambique waters because there is NOTHING valuable there except fishes grin

Put Nigeria and Angola's oil and gas in Mozambique channels with all the oil companies working there, then you will see piracy beyond what the whole SADC navies can control....your region has no single stealth OPV and modern MPA aircraft to do the job grin
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Lets get this straight.

1. There is oil and gas off the coasts of mozambique and tanzania
2. post this mythical report about us chasing pirates and being unable to catch them '
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:43am On Jan 31, 2015
agaugust:


Stop asking people to repeat citations posted here many times. SANDF officers failed academy exams and get promoted.

"And UN lambasts discipline of South Africa’s ‘poorly trained’ troops.

The officer in charge of training soldiers for deployment to the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) is an exam cheat.

And in another embarrassment for the SA National Defence Force (SANDF), a top UN official sharply criticised the discipline and combat readiness of South African soldiers in Sudan in a recent letter.

Brigadier-General Sithabiso Mahlobo, who was found guilty in 2002 of cheating in exams, is in charge of the training of soldiers who are in the process of being deployed to the war-torn North Kivu province of the DRC.

He is the commander of 46 SA Brigade in Kengray, Joburg."

http://www.citypress.co.za/news/exam-cheat-is-training-army/

Stop asking for old citations to be repeated here, you fraudulent retaaard !
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Well done, you have proven my point.

I said one man was caught cheating and this does not mean every officer does this.

So well done on proving nothing

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:44am On Jan 31, 2015
agaugust:


@Patches is iinsane, Vietnam a military victory for USA? The guy is maaad !

It was a comprehensive military victory

This is historical fact

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:44am On Jan 31, 2015
agaugust:


Show us the exact geographical square metres size land size of each town Boko Haram 'controls'.....then we add up the sqm if it equals the size of Belgium truly....so prove your claim with square meters !
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:45am On Jan 31, 2015
agaugust:


Nigeria has BTR-4 IFV ultra-modern. You missed may things on the forum, NA and NAF have changed to next level beyond your imagination.

BTR-4 IFV is trash and you only have 5 of them.

This does not impress anyone

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:48am On Jan 31, 2015
agaugust:


There is no wealth and riches inside your poverty stricken oceans to attract sea pirates, thieves don't go to where there is nothing valuable to steal. Transfer Angola's oil and gas wealth to South African ocean and swarms of pirates will relocate to your backyard.....then you get screwed, your navy has no Stealth OPV, Stealth MPV, Stealth IPV, High Speed sea interceptors, MPA high endurance aircraft with ISTAR capabilities....then you will know why Nigeria bought 300 anti-piracy vessels instead of Frigates and Submarines
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There is nowhere in Southern Africa for pirates to operate from.

And, furthermore, our blue economy is worth R177-billion - so there is value there.

Fact of the matter is that piracy is the hallmark of a failed state, South Africa and the rest of SADAC have our act together so it is not a problem.

And our Navy is more than capable of securing our waters - thats why we will be starting to patrol yours

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:51am On Jan 31, 2015
agaugust:


Your own SANDF army, air force and navy are all sitting down at home fvcking their wives and girlfriends and you shameless Southies want to judge NA, NAF, and NN fighting a 5 year war and NN fighting 7 year piracy at sea....you make yourselves judge of what you cannot do, lazy bones SANDF....all you have i a leaking basket mouth to judge those climbing a mountain while you sit down at the roadside watching.

When will your 3 SANDF armed forces be tested in a big war theater in very recent times to show us your real combat performance as at today 2015? Cowards, all you talk about is 1980s bush war fought by dead men and retired white apartheid officers who failed to defeat tiny Cuba that sailed 10,000 km across the ocean to fight SADF in your SADC region of influence. Teenage soldier/pilot boys and girls from Cuba almost defeated South African military in Angolan bush war.

Show me a war South Africa ever won fighting alone in the last 100 years.....show me one !

Just some weeks ago US NAVY SEALS, so called best special forces in the world tried to rescue one American and one South African man held by ISIS, operation failed as both hostages were killed. To you, war is a video game, reason why you always like @THIZA's photo album.

Let SANDF go back to Bangui and recover your Gecko vehicles the way NA recover or Cobra APC....your Soweto cowards will NEVER try that...cowards !
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This argument is nonsensical

Germany has not fought a war since WW2 - are you saying Nigeria is superior to them because of that?

Many many men and women in the SANDF are veterans of the Bush Wars. And when 60 000 cubans struggle to defeat 4000 south africans it shows just how competent we are

Again, the fact that we live in a peacefull part of the world is not a bad thing - its a good thing.

Our skills and training are obviously superior - thats why your government has hired us to train your men.

To a well trained army, combat is not a test - it should be nothing more than live fire exercises - as was demonstrated by the Americans during the invasion of Iraq.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:52am On Jan 31, 2015
agaugust:


Can you ask SAAF to use Gripen jet to carry out SEAD on your own people if terrorists invade Soweto township? You know how many people will die in a high calibre SEAD campaign when innocent civilians become human shield victims of terrorists, I think you don't know the difference between fighting war inside your own house and fighting in a foreign land. USA and NATO are happy to so air campaign SEAD on Iraq and killed thousands of civilians, if the enemy is inside New York city, will they launch the same massive air strike on the heads of their own fellow Americans?

It is easy to use other countries territory for military weapon testing and shooting practice experiment, America was using aircraft fired depleted radioactive uranium cannon shells on Iraq, can they use it on an enemy inside American territory?
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I dont think you know what precision weapons are.

Not surprising since nigeria has none.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:55am On Jan 31, 2015
agaugust:


In your absence from forum, we have fully compared BTR-4 with NATO's Patria and SANDF Badger, the technical specs all round makes BTR-4 better than anything SANDF can hope to buy as IFV.

Numbers of BTR-4 in NA are classified, secret.

Nigeria has many IFVs, nobody knows the full arsenal of Nigerian military.

We have BTR-3 IFV, BTR-4 IFV, BVP M80 IFV.

Reputable sources say that next week more BVP IFV will arrive Nigeria from Czech republic by air in about 3 days time.

Nobody knows all Nigerian weapons, secret secret, only this week did we know Nigeria has missile armed drones....secret !

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Hahaha - the delusions continue.

Yes they were compared - and apart from top speed the BTR-4 was inferior in every conceivable catagory

- Badger has better armor
- Carrys more men
- Better situational awareness
- Better weapons systems
- All weapons systems have longer effective ranges
- better troops carrying capacity
- more modular design makes it more versatile
- more advanced optics and communications
- better mine and IED protection
- better performance in combat (surviving multiple RPG and IED hits in Iraq)

Badger iFV is hands down the most dangerous, best protected, most advanced IFV in Africa and a world leader in its class - and we are getting 236 of them

And we dont care about so called "secret arsenals" we care about what can be proven.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:59am On Jan 31, 2015
agaugust:
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[size=16pt]Enter The BVP M80 Infantry Fighting Vehicle....

Nigerian Army Buys More IFVs....full arsenal remains secret !
[/size]

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http://www.praguepost.com/the-big-story/44075-nigeria-buys-czech-weapons-to-fight-boko-haram





To the untrained eye, many may confuse the BVP M80 with the Russian BMP-2 at first glance, however the easiest way to recognise the M80 (&M80A) is it has five road wheels (these are the ones between the front and rear wheels, which are called drive and return wheels) where as the Russian BMP’s have six. The M80’s also have smaller turrets and overall are almost half a meter shorter.

The M-80 was the former Yugoslavia’s first IFV and first prototypes were delivered to the Army for field testing in 1974. It entered service & full production in 1982, but had a short run of just a year and was replaced with the improved M-80A.

Mobility

The original M80 used a 260hp French engine as used in their AMX-10 APC. However the M80A used the improved 315hp German Daimler-Benz, which gave an increased speed and power to weight ratio and was built under licence by FAMOS.

The vehicle is fully amphibious after erection of the water trim and is propelled by the vehicles tracks.

Protection

The vehicle was steel in construction, but is believed to have used Aluminium / Titanium on top of this, similar to the Bradley, but offered better protection over the BMP-2. It was equipped with smoke grenade dischargers and diesel could be injected on to the hot exhaust to generate smoke screens. An NBC and fire suppression system in the infantry compartment was installed.

Firepower

The principal weapon is the HS 804, 20mm auto cannon and carries total of 1400 rounds.

For close encounters it uses a coaxial 7.62mm MG and carries a total of 2000 rounds.

The vehicle has a turret roof mounted twin launcher, which fires the Russian AT-3 Sagger Anti-Tank Wire Guided Missile, which is licence manufactured. 4 further missiles are stored in the vehicle. The launcher is reloaded via the two roof hatches in the infantry section of the vehicle (at the rear of the hull).

The embarked infantry can also support close encounters with their personal arms by firing through the 3 ports on either side of the vehicle in their compartment. Each port has a periscope for aiming.

Crew

The driver sits front left, with the commander directly behind him, with the engine to their right. The one man turret is located in the centre of the vehicle, housing the gunner. 6 infantrymen are in the rear and sit back to back, (3per side) down the centre. The disembark via two large doors in the rear of the vehicle.

Variants

The M80 AK

BVP M80AK – New one man turret (angled sides, older M80 & M80A are circular) with a 30mm main gun and Sagger launcher.

BVP M80A1 – Two man turret armed with twin 30mm Anti-Aircraft guns, prototype only.

BVP M80A KC – Company commanders vehicle.

BVP M80A KB – Battalion commanders vehicle.

BVP M80A LT anti-tank – New turret with a ready to fire launcher, which holds 6 Stagger missiles at once.

BVP M80A Sn – Non turret ambulance.

SAVA – Low altitude SAM system.

http://tanknutdave.com/the-bvp-m80-ifv/

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1. Your citation says nothing about BMP's
2. The BMP is an absolute unadulterated P.O.S
3. Lol, buying tracked vehicles for high mobility warfare - lolly lolzy lol

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 6:50am On Jan 31, 2015
agaugust:


In your absence from forum, we have fully compared BTR-4 with NATO's Patria and SANDF Badger, the technical specs all round makes BTR-4 better than anything SANDF can hope to buy as IFV.

Numbers of BTR-4 in NA are classified, secret.

Nigeria has many IFVs, nobody knows the full arsenal of Nigerian military.

We have BTR-3 IFV, BTR-4 IFV, BVP M80 IFV.

Reputable sources say that next week more BVP IFV will arrive Nigeria from Czech republic by air in about 3 days time.

Nobody knows all Nigerian weapons, secret secret, only this week did we know Nigeria has missile armed drones....secret !

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There is nothing modern about it. They just changed the lay out of the old BTRs. She is no more modern than the iklwa. Compared to the badger she is just a target.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by charlos14: 6:53am On Jan 31, 2015
patches689:


Hahaha - the delusions continue.

Yes they were compared - and apart from top speed the BTR-4 was inferior in every conceivable catagory

- Badger has better armor
- Carrys more men
- Better situational awareness
- Better weapons systems
- All weapons systems have longer effective ranges
- better troops carrying capacity
- more modular design makes it more versatile
- more advanced optics and communications
- better mine and IED protection
- better performance in combat (surviving multiple RPG and IED hits in Iraq)

Badger iFV is hands down the most dangerous, best protected, most advanced IFV in Africa and a world leader in its class - and we are getting 236 of them

And we dont care about so called "secret arsenals" we care about what can be proven.

Oh God, I thought that we were done arguing about what you wish you have> Keep dreaming about the Badger while the Btr 4E s are doing their job.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 6:54am On Jan 31, 2015
agaugust:


Can you ask SAAF to use Gripen jet to carry out SEAD on your own people if terrorists invade Soweto township? You know how many people will die in a high calibre SEAD campaign when innocent civilians become human shield victims of terrorists, I think you don't know the difference between fighting war inside your own house and fighting in a foreign land. USA and NATO are happy to so air campaign SEAD on Iraq and killed thousands of civilians, if the enemy is inside New York city, will they launch the same massive air strike on the heads of their own fellow Americans?

It is easy to use other countries territory for military weapon testing and shooting practice experiment, America was using aircraft fired depleted radioactive uranium cannon shells on Iraq, can they use it on an enemy inside American territory?
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Do you even no what SEAD is. I mean it not carpet bombing.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 6:58am On Jan 31, 2015
charlos14:


Oh God, I thought that we were done arguing about what you wish you have> Keep dreaming about the Badger while the Btr 4E s are doing their job.

The badger is not a dream. In fact there are has many bashers in SA has BTR4 is Nigeria. You do know your BTR4 are from a batch Iraq rejected due to it not being up to standard. Most of the 47 where taken by the Ukraine army. You have a tiny number of Iraq rejects.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 7:39am On Jan 31, 2015
charlos14:


Oh God, I thought that we were done arguing about what you wish you have> Keep dreaming about the Badger while the Btr 4E s are doing their job.

It was never an argument, apart from top speed, badger is superior in every single way

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 7:42am On Jan 31, 2015
saengine:
The only world record here is the record of stupidity in your head. 1000m is nowhere close to any worls record kill. Please delete yourself from this forum...wasting everyones time.
why are you crying bitterly?,why are you gnashing your rotten teeth like a deranged lunatic?.you think that hitting a human target from 1000m away is an everyday occurence?,its a world record that we witness only from the likes of canadian special forces,US Navy SEALS,and russian special ops.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 7:51am On Jan 31, 2015
EVarn:
Edward
@DonKlericuzio
A Nigerian Navy Sub-Lt today recorded a target and kill of a boko haram mortar spotter at a distance of 985m.with a Dragunov SVDK Sniper Rifle
10:00 AM - 30 Jan 2015
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Mr mzilakazi,you have been shamed.you claimed that our troops dont have proper training and education,yet it appear otherwise.how can an 'untrained' military personnel set a world record of hitting a human target at almost 1000m apart?.all we hear from you is an imaginary forray into seleka's domain,where you claimed to have bought "advanced binoculars",escaped being pulverized by hot mortars while your head was clearly peaking out from behind your "impenetrable defenses" and shot rebels with an AK47 rifle from 2km away.
now mzilakazi,fall down and die!!!!




Shame!! you should run and bury your head on the soil.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 7:53am On Jan 31, 2015
EVarn:
why are you crying bitterly?,why are you gnashing your rotten teeth like a deranged lunatic?.you think that hitting a human target from 1000m away is an everyday occurence?,its a world record that we witness only from the likes of canadian special forces,US Navy SEALS,and russian special ops.

Dreaming as usual.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 7:57am On Jan 31, 2015
Henry120:


Yes, the SANDF, SAAF with 9 pilots for 26 planes after 15 years is quite sad.
His butt hurt.

This is sad.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 7:59am On Jan 31, 2015
agaugust:


In your absence from forum, we have fully compared BTR-4 with NATO's Patria and SANDF Badger, the technical specs all round makes BTR-4 better than anything SANDF can hope to buy as IFV.

Numbers of BTR-4 in NA are classified, secret.

Nigeria has many IFVs, nobody knows the full arsenal of Nigerian military.

We have BTR-3 IFV, BTR-4 IFV, BVP M80 IFV.

Reputable sources say that next week more BVP IFV will arrive Nigeria from Czech republic by air in about 3 days time.

Nobody knows all Nigerian weapons, secret secret, only this week did we know Nigeria has missile armed drones....secret !

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which country rejected BTR-4 IFVs cause of rust?

Where did these end up? grin grin grin grin grin grin

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 8:03am On Jan 31, 2015
andrewza:


The badger is not a dream. In fact there are has many bashers in SA has BTR4 is Nigeria. You do know your BTR4 are from a batch Iraq rejected due to it not being up to standard. Most of the 47 where taken by the Ukraine army. You have a tiny number of Iraq rejects.
Also had rust.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 8:15am On Jan 31, 2015
EVarn:
why are you crying bitterly?,why are you gnashing your rotten teeth like a deranged lunatic?.you think that hitting a human target from 1000m away is an everyday occurence?,its a world record that we witness only from the likes of canadian special forces,US Navy SEALS,and russian special ops.

If you can't hit a man at 1000m you not a sniper.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by charlos14: 8:24am On Jan 31, 2015
andrewza:


The badger is not a dream. In fact there are has many bashers in SA has BTR4 is Nigeria. You do know your BTR4 are from a batch Iraq rejected due to it not being up to standard. Most of the 47 where taken by the Ukraine army. You have a tiny number of Iraq rejects.
Speculations without evidence!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 8:28am On Jan 31, 2015
EVarn:
why are you crying bitterly?,why are you gnashing your rotten teeth like a deranged lunatic?.you think that hitting a human target from 1000m away is an everyday occurence?,its a world record that we witness only from the likes of canadian special forces,US Navy SEALS,and russian special ops.

No it is not a world record. Go back to school to correct your english. Police sharp shooters can hit a targer at 1000m. Something that many people can do is not a "world record".

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 8:32am On Jan 31, 2015
charlos14:

Speculations without evidence!

There is nothing speculative about badger. Projects take time to complete.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 8:34am On Jan 31, 2015
mzilakazi:


Dreaming as usual.
keep quiet.you have been shamed.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 8:36am On Jan 31, 2015
andrewza:


If you can't hit a man at 1000m you not a sniper.
exactly!,only a good sniper can hit a man at 1000m,1.5km,or 2000m away.

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