Iceflox:
Now, know. this truth and set yourself free from the grip of religion and tradition.
the only important thing in church is going there to learn from pastors how the 10 commandments should be applied in your normal day to day life to better your living. Every other thing, both the building and every ordinances in it are vanity.
so, if you already know how to apply the 10 commandments in your life as a Christian, you don't need church again.
you don't need your pastor.
you don't need any fucking religious mbomgungu! again

Proximo73:

what if your pastor pays you monthly salary to work in church? wount you keep going?

jnrprof:
Read your Bible again.....its instructed that we should not neglect the fellowship of the brethren! So no matter how much you think you know, fellowshiping with other Christians is still very important.

chosen124:
too many frustrated people in nairaland
the church is not the cause of your frustration
leave the church and pastors alone

Iceflox:

that is the only condition, i can even do anything, so long i am paid

Proximo73:

lol... you are funny

Iceflox:

whatever!
But you know it is not intelligent doing anything without a reason.
God never did anything without a reason.
so, if you must go to church, you must have a tangible reason why you should be going.
nigerians go to church without any tangible reason. they are just going
why do people always go to church in this part of the world?
is it fear that is causing them? fear of the unknown

Iceflox:

whatever!
But you know it is not intelligent doing anything without a reason.
God never did anything without a reason.
so, if you must go to church, you must have a tangible reason why you should be going.
nigerians go to church without any tangible reason. they are just going
why do people always go to church in this part of the world?
is it fear that is causing them? fear of the unknown

Iceflox:

whatever!
But you know it is not intelligent doing anything without a reason.
God never did anything without a reason.
so, if you must go to church, you must have a tangible reason why you should be going.
nigerians go to church without any tangible reason. they are just going
why do people always go to church in this part of the world?
is it fear that is causing them? fear of the unknown

Iceflox:

whatever!
But you know it is not intelligent doing anything without a reason.
God never did anything without a reason.
so, if you must go to church, you must have a tangible reason why you should be going.
nigerians go to church without any tangible reason. they are just going
why do people always go to church in this part of the world?
is it fear that is causing them? fear of the unknown

Iceflox:
Now, know. this truth and set yourself free from the grip of religion and tradition.
the only important thing in church is going there to learn from pastors how the 10 commandments should be applied in your normal day to day life to better your living. Every other thing, both the building and every ordinances in it are vanity.
so, if you already know how to apply the 10 commandments in your life as a Christian, you don't need church again.
you don't need your pastor.
you don't need any fucking religious mbomgungu! again

Jeromejnr:


Actually there is more to the bible than just following a set of rules and reading stories.

In a good church. You don't go to just hear a set of rules but to gain revelations that will give u faith and build it to be able to overcome life's challenges.

If u don't go to church how will u even hear ppls testimony to also give u faith to help u in a similar situation. That why God gave the ministry gifts of Pastors, teachers, apostles, prophets e.t.c. to help to build up the body of Christ.

We can't be wiser than God in this matter.

Note I said a good church o. Maybe that's why some ppl are tired of going to church.

Alexk2:
I read your post and i cannot help it than to reply because i see that you misunderstood alot of things.
First, the law/commandments only make us aware of sin instead of keeping us from it. Hence, a pastor who centre his teachings/preaching on the law/comandments is doing a disservice in the long run. Consequently, siting @ home to read those laws wont help in any way.

Secondly, Jesus is the only solution to our deliverance from sin, worldly passion and the flesh....and it only takes you to completely surrender your life to Him and be born again/anew for you to be free indeed. Yes, church, religious, doctrines..e.t.c cannot save anybody in anyway...but you ask where is the position of the church then since all i've said is in the bible.

I define the church as the spiritual healing center for the Christians and the all those who requires true healing....and that is the real/actual healing any1 can get. Btw., you must know that the church is simply the gathering of the Christians. So, one reason why going to church is to have fellowship with my type of pple; pple who reason like me and who can influence me to be more like my Saviour. It is also for me to keep on grow and to help each other in this Christian race.

Hmmm....sadly and unfortunately, most churches arent living up to that purpose but there are still pple within who are still keeping the fire burning....

Papist:

Evening....i disagree & the Bible disagrees. You get the spiritual food (the Sacraments) in the House of God. Bless u

jnrprof:
OP, every true Christian understands that going to church is not for its economic value. If you don't go to church, that's fine but don't try to dissuade those of us who value its importance. I for one can't take for granted the role my church brethren played in my life during a difficult period. The words of encouragement, sermons and prayers really helped me to hold on and built up my faith. When my story changed and i shared my testimony, they rejoiced even more than me and. A friend in church even told me that my testimony had increased his own faith as he was waiting on God for his own miracle. Now that's one reason why church is important!

Proximo73:

they say africans used to be afraid of trees such that they worship trees and seek protection from trees during primitive days.
may be that is what they are still doing till now, they worship church instead of God.
they seek money protection from church

Iceflox;
you are right, church is for healing.
But most people who go to church are not sick, they don't need healing. let pastors set them free, let them stop going.

why i am saying this, all pastors are now using the gathering to distort from Nigerians, and our mumu government will not protect them.

don't you have your kind in your office or school or whereever to influence you like your Savior?
must it be church?

Iceflox:

you are right, church is for healing.
But most people who go to church are not sick, they don't need healing. let pastors set them free, let them stop going.
why i am saying this, all pastors are now using the gathering to distort from Nigerians, and our mumu government will not protect them.
don't you have your kind in your office or school or whereever to influence you like your Savior?
must it be church?

Alexk2:

the need to first seek out a church is for a new life in Christ(the healing part) but thereafter we need to continually renew our mind/spirit with th Word of God(both the spoken and written word) and the gathering of God's pple(the church) is the first point of call for that. To be set free and stop going to church is an easy way to Backslidden. When you remain with pple of like-minds, then iron shapen irons and spiritual growth is on course.

blantant lie bro...yes, there may be some fake pastors who are out for the sake of their belly but not all pls. Infact, the fake pastors exist because there are the original once.....btw., part of what our bible teaches us is giving(to the needy among us, ophans, widows, less priviledged and the likes) out of a cheerful heart as lead...nt compulsorily.

I'm talking about identity here, bro...we first identify with each other in our small gathering and take it from there elsewhere. This isnt abt the name of the church but abt the effect of the new life that is commonly found in us. I identify you as a Christian outside church only by the type of life your live.

In summary, it is more of a command to us as a christian in Heb 10:25.."..and not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching."...
That is the bible settling that and to insist on your way is to question the authority of the bible....pls., note the part.."as is the manner of some.." it is not new for pple to find strange excuse.
I will like to end this by asking you if you even know Jesus personally...kbowing Him will settle most of your questions...shalom!

Alexk2:

the need to first seek out a church is for a new life in Christ(the healing part) but thereafter we need to continually renew our mind/spirit with th Word of God(both the spoken and written word) and the gathering of God's pple(the church) is the first point of call for that. To be set free and stop going to church is an easy way to Backslidden. When you remain with pple of like-minds, then iron shapen irons and spiritual growth is on course.

blantant lie bro...yes, there may be some fake pastors who are out for the sake of their belly but not all pls. Infact, the fake pastors exist because there are the original once.....btw., part of what our bible teaches us is giving(to the needy among us, ophans, widows, less priviledged and the likes) out of a cheerful heart as lead...nt compulsorily.

I'm talking about identity here, bro...we first identify with each other in our small gathering and take it from there elsewhere. This isnt abt the name of the church but abt the effect of the new life that is commonly found in us. I identify you as a Christian outside church only by the type of life your live.

In summary, it is more of a command to us as a christian in Heb 10:25.."..and not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching."...
That is the bible settling that and to insist on your way is to question the authority of the bible....pls., note the part.."as is the manner of some.." it is not new for pple to find strange excuse.
I will like to end this by asking you if you even know Jesus personally...kbowing Him will settle most of your questions...shalom!

denisbid:

op, how can you say church members are not sick?
ok, how about family problem? spiritual problem? don't they need deliverance?
please don't come here to spoil market for people o

denisbid:

yes,op need Jesus

Iceflox:

your testimony has increased his own faith or it has encouraged him to go to church the more?
which one out of the two?
because, i am sure your friend had faith already long before you met him.,he was a Christian and not a Muslim, and he still remain a christian even after he heard your testimony .
having faith is simply joining Christianity if you were a Muslim before , check your Bible.
so you see, something is wrong somewhere.
somebody is taking advantage of you not knowing what faith actually mean in the Bible

author=Iceflox;
yes, that is it
what do you mean by knowing Christ? from your own understanding

Anas09:
ICEFLOX. Go get a life. I see u dead. Dead men don't have reasoning faculties.

Alexk2:


your answer is in a thread i created last yr..enjoy!
www.nairaland.com/2022448/knowing-jesus-vs-knowing-jesus