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| Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by tpaine: 12:14pm On Mar 16, 2008 |
Some god-believers claim they are in direct communication with their god(s). This is nothing new, in fact. The page of the bible are full of instance where god speaks to his favourites, either commanding them to commit gross barbarism or else just dishing out inane commandments and injunctions. The modern era is no different; we have a plethera of prophets today who claim to be in a hotline with god. But should we believe these claim? How does one know god is speaking to one. Is it via audible dialogue, vision, dreams, written text, hallucinations? How would you distincguish god's words from those of non-gods? 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| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by tpaine: 10:55am On Mar 17, 2008 |
Good questions! |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by kolaoloye(m): 4:08pm On Apr 02, 2008 |
YES, God still speaks to humans, By their fruit you shall know them. God will never ask anyone to commit a crime even Jesus paid Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar. GOD IS FLAWLESS |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by PastorAIO: 4:25pm On Apr 02, 2008 |
If God spoke to you and told you to sacrifice your first born son would you accept. Or would you refuse to believe it was God on the basis that God does not condone human sacrifice? What if he spoke to you and told you to commit mass genocide, say for example to wipe out the entire population of Canaan would you accept that it was the voice of God. Is a crime still a crime if it has been ordered directly from God or is criminality a fixed standard by which we can judge whether a message comes from God or not. Another interesting question is, How many of us believe that God told George Bush to invade Iraq. I don't believe that he was lying. I do believe he heard voices that told him, however the question in my mind was whether or not it was God. What exactly is the difference between a schizophrenic speaking to God and a prophet speaking to God: another interesting question. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by mnwankwo(m): 5:42pm On Apr 02, 2008 |
God speaks to people even today. Whatever he speaks or tell people to do will be in harmony with his nature. The premise that God will ask his creatures to do the very things that are against his nature and commandment contradicts perfection which is an instrinsic attribute of God. Sin is disobedience to the laws of God and God is the living origin of these laws. It is impossible for God to contradict his own laws or to be more precise, it is impossible for God to contradict himself. Thus God cannot sin since it is against his nature and neither can God ask human beings to sin. Thus it is impossible for God to tell his creatures to sacrifice their sons, commit mass sucide etc. Whenever people claim that God told them to commit evil acts, that person or persons is getting the inspiration for such monstrosities from evil sources. It is indeed pathetic that ascribing evil activities to God has found its way even to the fundamental thoughts of many of tthe world religions. The nature of the fruit is determined by the nature of the seed sown. Thus messages from God will manifest in activities that vibrates in love and justice, such messages will create human beings that love their neighbours and not those that want to exterminate any person who disagrees with their version of religious reality. "By their fruits you shall know them" Any teaching that creates followers that want to harm in word, thoughts, motives or deeds those who are of a different religious persuation is either not from God or it has been distorted. To be called by God as his servant is quite different from the experience of a schizophrenic or somebody under the effect of psychedelic drugs. A called servant of God has a spiritual antennae that allows the blessed one to recieve consciously the power and message of God and also has the ability to transmute such messages to the brain without much distortion. The level of interference as the recieved message or power moves from the spirit to the brain depends on the spiritual maturity of the called one and that varies among all servants of God.Those who are not called by God can hear voices, see visions etc but these voices or visions is not from God. It can be as a result of pertubation in the brain signalling processes due to hallucinogenic drugs, suggestion, autosuggestion, self hypnosis, religious frenzy or in some cases due to the altered blood radiations. Such altered blood radiations allows an alien spirit to influence temporaly or permanently the brain of the person involved, There are hundreds of variations and these statements are just general. Specific details can be given for each individual case. Inspite of the variations and atimes the compexities, one thing is certain, any vision, message, action etc that is inspired by God cannot contradict the commandments of God. If such a contradition exists, then the message is not from God even if the persons involved are the so called "Men of God". 1 Like |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by Lady2(f): 7:26pm On Apr 02, 2008 |
God speaks to people through their history. He tells u where u have been and what message u were supposed to receive from it. Some people don't listen when God is speaking. You don't have to hear a "VOICE" to know that God is speaking. He also speaks through people. U never know who God will choose to minister to u and it's not always the pastors of priests. It can even be a homeless person or a terminally ill person. Trust me it u've ever been through things in life and taken the time to look back, u will see places where God was speaking to u. God does not ask people to commit atrocious crimes. I'll be back to speak more, am running late, bye. 1 Like |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by JayFK(m): 7:46pm On Apr 02, 2008 |
~Lady~: I thought "the lord" spoke to moses and Joshua, to wipe out their enemies(genocide). Surely the message couldn't have been muddled up along the way? People claim that god speaks to them, that's a load of horse crap. I'm curious though, if you say that god speaks to you then how exactly is that message relayed and why exactly does he choose to speak to you, why not other people. So are you going to tell me that any good thoughts that you might have or any basic decision you might make that might be advantageous to you, comes from "the lord"? wow. Its like all those stupid "prophecies" that pastors like to make that they claim comes from "the lord", combination of hot and cold readings plus vagueness and given enough time it will eventually happen. Given enough time a jobless person might get a job, given enough time some one will eventually get pregnant. Yeah very impressive. |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by kolaoloye(m): 10:13am On Apr 03, 2008 |
@JayFK, This time around before i would make any other contribution,kindly answer this question_ Which of these do you believe in: FATE, LUCK,or MIRACLE?[/b]and [b]Why? |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by JayFK(m): 3:51pm On Apr 03, 2008 |
kola oloye: What does this have to do with god speaking to people? |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by kolaoloye(m): 5:27pm On Apr 03, 2008 |
JayFK: What was your reason for this statement after my response that God still speaks to humans? If you know how God works you won,t be curious again. Afterall GOD even opened the mouth of a donkey to speak like a human being before.The fact that we have false prophets around is not an indication that He doesn't speak to His people again.The choice is yours whether to believe or not. |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by PastorAIO: 6:17pm On Apr 03, 2008 |
kola oloye: It wasn't a donkey. It was an Ass. The last time this came up in a conversation I was having someone remarked that God seems to have a penchant till this day for using Asses to speak for him. This is not my opinion, I'm just sharing an amusing anecdote. It made everyone laugh. Christians included. |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by mnwankwo(m): 7:57pm On Apr 03, 2008 |
It would have been funny except that it is a serious matter. What actually do Kola oloye mean by "Afterall GOD even opened the mouth of a donkey to speak like a human being before" What human language did the donkey speak? At the moment the donkey was speaking, was the donkey brain changed to human brain? Are their witnesses to this spectacular event? If there are, in which language did they hear the donkey speak? Answers to these questions are relevant to understanding the validity or falsity of this spectacular incidence. 1 Like |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by kolaoloye(m): 9:05am On Apr 04, 2008 |
@m nwankwo NUMBERS 22 21And Balaam rose up in the morning, and saddled his ass, and went with the princes of Moab. 22And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him. 23And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way. 24But the angel of the LORD stood in a path of the vineyards, a wall being on this side, and a wall on that side. 25And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he smote her again. 26And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left. 27And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff. 28And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? 29And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee. 30And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? and he said, Nay. 31Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face. m_nwankwo: Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him. 28And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? (The ASS spoke Balaam`s language) |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by JayFK(m): 10:35am On Apr 04, 2008 |
Kola oloye I'm pretty sure that story can be considered hearsay or allegorical? |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by kolaoloye(m): 10:57am On Apr 04, 2008 |
JayFK: Here you come again. Point of correction: BIBLE is not a story book, it is a RECORD book (an account in writing or the like preserving the memory or knowledge of facts or events.) |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by JayFK(m): 11:02am On Apr 04, 2008 |
kola oloye: Nope this is simply anecdotal evidence. Who wrote the book of numbers? If that scenario did indeed happen, who were the witnesses? For all I know it could simply have been a man hallucinating. How do we know an historical Balaam existed? If the bible is full of inconsistency, parables, passed down stories, allegory and hearsay, What can it be concluded to be? |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by momopee(m): 11:03am On Apr 04, 2008 |
25 Offline Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? « #10 on: Yesterday at 06:17:41 PM » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote from: kola oloye on Yesterday at 05:27:12 PM Afterall GOD even opened the mouth of a donkey to speak like a human being before. pastor pls tell us the difference between a DONKEY and AN ASS? |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by Moyola(f): 11:06am On Apr 04, 2008 |
kola oloye: |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by Moyola(f): 11:07am On Apr 04, 2008 |
True dat @ |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by mnwankwo(m): 1:27pm On Apr 04, 2008 |
@Kola oloye, Thanks for the biblical citations. However, they have not in my view answered the questions raised. It only reported an incidence between Balaam, his donkey or ass and an angel of the Lord. Their is no evidence in the citations to verify that claim. First, what language did the ass spoke? In your answer,you said that the ass spoke in Balaam`s language. Please what is the name of the human language that Balaam and the donkey spoke? What evidence do you have to show that this story is literal and not allegorical? Did this encounter take place physically or spiritually? Humans beings should get used to the fact that quotations from sacred books do not prove the validity or non-validity of such quotations. To provide validity, an independent spiritual or material evidence that is reproducible need to be provided. In this case, their is no repetation of this story taken literally in modern times. What is true is always reproducible and it can be observed atleast in more than one occasion in different places, eras and generations. Presently their is no evidence of a donkey anywhere in the world speaking like a human or verbalizing a human language. It is impossible for a donkey to speak a human language, the variation in the brain physiology of donkey and humans is too diverse that it cannot under any circumstances be breached. If any person thinks that such is possible, then let them reproduce Balaams story. Ignorance of the laws of God makes people to believe that impossible things are possible and possible things are impossible. It is possible for humans to communicate with animals but not through the human language. It is also possible for animals to communicate with human beings but not through the human language. Vibrations emanating from a human soul can be percivied by an animal and vice versa but these vibrations are not human languages. In summary it is impossible for an animal to speak a human language but it is very possible for an animal to percieve impressions vibrating within a human soul and vice versa. 1 Like |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by PastorAIO: 1:46pm On Apr 04, 2008 |
momopee: I'm afraid I made an error. For some reason I thought an ass was a mule. A mule is a cross between a donkey and a horse and it can't reproduce. Please excuse my intrusion. you may continue. |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by MP007(m): 6:04am On Apr 05, 2008 |
I believe that good communicates with us through dreams,visions and the bible, |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by kolaoloye(m): 11:02am On May 12, 2008 |
m_nwankwo: With GOD all things are POSSIBLE |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by lystola: 11:31am On May 12, 2008 |
one thing is ask people, when they ask me if God speaks to me? obviously they tell me they dont hear God speak to them, i ask them "Do you hear the devil?"at the end of it all we come to find out that everyone hears the devils, but sadly very few hear God. evryone hears the devil, telling them to do this or that, nudging them towards that girl to rape her, or more simpler telling them to just tale a bite out of the meat or take a little of the money. the devil speak to our minds, and we hear him constantly and we try to resists his temtations as christians, but we fail to hear God's encouragements that he speaks to our heart and to hear is voice telling us what to do, where to go, how to act. Soi'll tell you if you can hear the Devil, then you can hear God, because the will both Speak into your Heart, but it depends on you, who yuo decide to listen to. we are ususally so engrossed trying not to hear the devil we fail to realise that God is speaking and wants us to listen to him, so since we dont hear him we conclude he is not talking. but he is talking we are the ones who usually fail to listen toi him. Just because you cant hear him does not mean he is not talking, just because you cant see him does not mean he is not there. |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by elizabetta(f): 12:18pm On May 12, 2008 |
Some claim that God speaks to them everyday but i can't never believe such stories,i believe they hear the voices of demons.The only way God speaks to us today is only through His word. |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by kolaoloye(m): 12:55pm On May 12, 2008 |
elizabetta: God is not a god of one way.Have you ever gone for a counselling before where the spirit of God would be ministering to a priest or a pastor on your behalf? You don't even need to be a pastor before you hear from God. God is always speaking just that we are too occupied to hear him when He speaks. |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by Nobody: 1:03pm On May 12, 2008 |
elizabetta: Hello Elizabetha, it's true that God speaks to His people through His word, but He also communicate in other ways, such as: through His still small voice, through words of prophecy from our Spiritual Leaders, deep impression, etc. His method of communication with men isn't stereotype. So, He could use any means. . . .and not [b]only through His word. |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by mnwankwo(m): 1:46pm On May 12, 2008 |
@Kola Oloye, Your assertion that with God all things are possible is wrong in the context of the topic. It is impossible for an animal to speak a human language. I will remind you that only those things which are according to the will of God or his nature is possible with God. Anything that is not in harmony with the ways or the will of God is impossible. For instance it is impossible for God to commit evil. It is impossible for God to go against the ten commandments. It is impossible for God to be unjust. It is impossible for God to be jealous, Indeed one can write a book of several volumes to show that everything that contradicts the nature of God is impossible for God. 1 Like |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by ricadelide(m): 2:04pm On May 12, 2008 |
And how exactly does a donkey speaking a human language contradict the nature of God (and not the nature of the donkey)? Is it beyond the reach of the nature and/or power of God to change the nature of his creations if only momentarily? NB - I'm saying this assuming that you acknowledge a difference between the nature of God and the nature of his creation(s). Otherwise there's a whole new discussion entirely. |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by mnwankwo(m): 2:37pm On May 12, 2008 |
@Ricadelide God cannot change the nature of his creations because he created them out of all knowing. And what came out of all knowing needs no change or improvement even for a second. If it were possible, then those creations didnot come from an all knowing God in the first place. Thus for instance God originally made mango to be mango. It is impossible for God to change Mango to Banana. It is impossible to convert stones to bread. It is impossible for a monkey to become a human being or vice versa. Humans are able to speak the human language because God originally designed the human brain to have that capability. The brain of a donkey was not originally designed by God to have the capabiltity to communicate in a human language.Therefore the donkey brain in its design by God does not have the complexity and sophistication required to produce a human language. Besides, the user of the donkeys brain is an animal soul and the user of the human brain is a human spirit. Thus with respect to the physical body or the brain to be precise, the occupants are completely two different creations of God, one is a human spirit, the other an animal soul. Both biochemically and physiologically, the difference between a human brain and a donkey brain is far wide apart. |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by lystola: 2:43pm On May 12, 2008 |
@ Elizabetha and besides the Word of God which you are talking about goes in two dimensions, Logos: the written word and Rhema: the Spoken Word, which He ministers to you directly in your Heart. |
| Re: Does God Speak To Humans? And How? by kolaoloye(m): 2:51pm On May 12, 2008 |
If you believe in the word[b] "MIRACLE" [/b] you won't be talking like this.Your mind cannot comprehend the mighty Power of God. A woman only touched the Hem of his garment and she became whole. Tell me, is a garment a medicine? Another one is at the marriage feast,the issue of turning water into wine. My brother it does not cost God anything to just open a mouth of a donkey to speak a human language. OUR God is an AWESOME GOD. Thank you. |
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