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elampiro2:
Put goals beside the assists and we sum the ground total.

elampiro2:
How does one win a golden boot when he is often rested in cheap games ahead of big and important games. Sometimes he get substituted when the deal is done early.

When we beat Schalke 04 two nil in Germany, Rooney was substituted once he had scored and provided an assist. He was rested in the return leg. Same happened vs Roma. There are countless like that in EPL.

Most plays who won golden boot do so mainly scoring against weak teams and alowed to completed 90mins even if it's 7-0 at half time. They mostly play one position and centrally.

coogar:
why should we put goals?
you said rooney is the best number-10 in the league. number-10s don't score too many goals, they make goals. look at the names on the list........cesc, mata, silva, gerrard, lampard. those are the generals. wayne rooney is an apprentice either in goalscoring or making goals.

coogar:
yes, schalke & roma play in the premier league. so in 12 seasons at old trafford....playing alongside some of the most fearsome strikers in the world, your excuse for rooney is that he often gets substituted?

berbatov got substituted more than rooney in 10/11 and still won the golden boot. it's about being clinical in front of goal - not the excuse you are pulling out. rooney is neither a goal machine or a top goal-maker. he's the jack of all trade, master of none.

elampiro2:
Exactly why Rooney is rated higher than them and also earns higher. They cannot score. Rooney scores and makes.

elampiro2:
There are countless matches Rooney got rested in the EPL ahead of important matches.

Is Berbatov a footballer? Mteew. Has Berba scored 27 EPL goals? Has he won the EPL player of the year?

elampiro2:
There are countless matches Rooney got rested in the EPL ahead of important matches.

Is Berbatov a footballer? Mteew. Has Berba scored 27 EPL goals? Has he won the EPL player of the year?

coogar:
rooney is a poster boy for man utd & england. beckham earned more money at united and he wasn't even amongst the 5 best players at united. skills doesn't always translate to money - ashley young earns twice as much as tomas müller, young must be better than müller then.

coogar:
they cannot score goals cos their speciality/expertise is goal-making.....which is exactly the point that brought us here. if we list rooney alongside specialist goal scorers too, he comes short.

coogar:
in a nutshell, rooney is an average goal maker and an average goal scorer. he's not an expert in any of the 2 parameters. which further reinforced my point that he's a jack of all trade, master of none.

coogar:
berbatov won a golden boot(no penalties)
when rooney scored 27 EPL goals, about 7 of his goals came from penalties & he spent more minutes on the pitch.

point proven again - rooney is a jack of all trade, master of nothing.

elampiro2:
Rooney only scored 6 of the 27 goals from penalty. When he scored 26 goals, only 4 were from penalties.

I have also proven before that Rooney won many of those penalties. Meaning he would have scored them ordinarily if not brought down in the box

coogar:
27-6 = 21(rooney) in 2830 mims
21-0 = 21(berbatov) in 2208 mins

so rooney had close to 630 league mins(7 full matches) on berbatov and still he couldn't outscore berbatov?

with rooney's disgusting conversion rate, you cannot trust him to score one on one chances even if he wasn't brought down. rooney is jack of all trade, master of none.

elampiro2:
* Apart from scoring goals, what does Muller do? He is only lucky to be in team that favour him. Someone would see Suarez at Barca and say, this guy shouldn't earn higher than Kane of Tottenham.

A player's overall play is what makes a footballer, not statistics. If it were stat, Yekini would have landed in England before Amokachie. Sasia and Ikpeba still played in a better club than Yekini. People who played football judge it differently from what it's in the computers and prints.

Rooney is a specialist goal scorer when used as a striker. The only time he has been used consistently as a striker, he delivered both local and Europe even with in juries that plague him that season. He became the EPL player of the year and finished 5th in the world.

How many of those specialists have been used to carry out defensive duties while playing in the number 10 or wing? Even as 10, Rooney was asked to mark Essien. In UCL finals he was to do defensive even though he was a forward. Wetin! This is why he earns 250k+

Rooney is the best striker and best number 10 Man United has had during his time. SAF said he didn't always play him in striking role because of extra duty needed to do in the deep and because of his young age. The first time Rooney challenged SAF, he immediately became the best player in the EPL.

coogar:
with rooney's disgusting conversion rate, you cannot trust him to score one on one chances even if he wasn't brought down. rooney is jack of all trade, master of none.


when rooney scored 26 goals in 09/10, only 4 were penalties but it took him 2,700 mins to score 22 non-penalty goals. compare that rate to berbatov in 10/11 and rooney falls short yet again.

rooney - jack of all trade, master of nowt!

elampiro2:
Goals he scored against riff rarf teams. If Rooner were to be the one getting more minutes with riff raff teams, he would score 32 league goals. And if Berba is given much time against big teams he would only score 12
goals.

When Berba scored these goals Rooney supported the process with 11 Assists that season. But when Rooney scored 26, Berba could only Assist with 5.

Lazy Berbatov.

elampiro2:
How many goal did Berba score in Europe where the competition is stiff. He is always a failure against big teams.

coogar:
90% of the teams top strikers face are riff-raff teams. it's no excuse. even sometimes, riff-raff teams pose bigger problems than the so-called big teams. arsënal find it easier to kill spurs than stoke. every goal is weighted the same in the league.
ed rooney.

coogar:
s rooney falls short against the best strikers in the league and he also falls short against the best goal makers in the league.

coogar:
berbatov's passing route was to valencia that season. valencia f
rooney is an average goal maker and an average goal scorer. rooney is a jack of all trade, master of none.

elampiro2:
But Rooney scores against big teams both locally and in Europe.

Rooney is the best in both. Tell me any EPL player who became 5th world best as a striker?

Anyone can score goals or Assists, but what you do before you score and assists is what makes you a great footballer. The reason Ikpeba was in a better club than Yekini. The reason Hazard and Robben are rated so highly. Football is not about figures in a computer.

Berbertov was always in the box sometimes playing higher than Rooney. Don't tell us Berba was playing diagonal passes.

Rooney is best! Chikena.

Odunharry:
Rooney won golden boot the last time we won carling cup and club world cup...
Hope im nt mistaken?

coogar:
müller is 5000 times more intelligent than rooney. that's why he's called raumdeuter. he's the master of time & space. a task rooney is clueless about.

coogar:
this is you shooting yourself in the foot!
minus the statistics, rooney is even worse. be cannot pass, he cannot dribble & he has the first touch of clifford orji.

coogar:
and yet he's never won the golden boot in 11 seasons at old trafford. specialist goal scorer my white bütt!

coogar:
that's exactly the point!
rooney can do everything but he's not special at any thing. would SAF ask silva or messi to mark a player? rooney gets all those roles because he's average at his primary role. someone else is always deemed better than him in any role he finds himself.

coogar:
the best strikers under SAF....

van nistelrooy
van persie.

the best number-10 under SAF...

paul scholes

elampiro2:
Muller is just an opportunist. Same way Chicha was an opportunist in Man United. Everyone else work for them when they play. That was how Berba scored 20 league goals (then FA pitied him with one more).

If you like call raumdeuter, dayo won't call and rescue you today.

If you want to see people who can do first touch and all that, go to half time break at Surulere stadium, you will see ball jogglers. We are talking about footballers not ball jogglers. When Amokachie and Amuneke helped us to olympic gold medals, they were not ball jogglers or stats men.

What is golden boot? He was always used to defend and play in the wing ans midfield. This is why those who know soccer voted him EPL player of the year, won the 5th best player in the world.

They are idomies. This is why you cannot be a coach. A coach look at the overall team and apportion responsibilities. You also look at your team shape. United shape required someone to be a bull for us over the years. Once Rooney stopped being a bull, we got exposed.

Now Falcao is required to mark and tackle. Something he has never don all his life. Same with Di Maria, Mata, etc. Even hyena RVP is now a tackler. Ukwu!

Rooney is better than all of them in the number 9 and number 10. Which of them got selected as world 5th best? Which of them won UCL highest Assists? Which of them won world best player in the world club cup and highest goal scorer there?

coogar:
this is immaterial!
rooney is not an expert goalscorer or a goalmaker.



owen win ballon d'or.
henry was 2nd or 3rd for several seasons. so rooney came 5th in a popularity contest.

coogar:
who is in a better club has other factors ranging from age, injury history, etc. yekini was past his prime when he moved to europe. ikpeba was a young lad when he moved to europe. not anyone can score goals or make assists.

the only reason there has been a duopoly in ballon d'or awards is the sheer number of goals ronaldo & messi keep scoring season after season even when they don't win UCL or the world cup. this is why strikers are often chosen as best players in the world.

coogar:
he was never in the box.
berbatov was a target man. he receives passes with his back to goal, wait for the runners to fly past him and he makes a diagonal pass to the flank for valencia or nani to ping in a cross.

in a nutshell, rooney has never top the assist charts in 11 seasons at old trafford or top the scorer's charts. he's not a clinical striker abd he's not an excellent goalmaker. he's an average player in those 2 roles.

even if i add goals to assists, rooney still comes short of many top players in the premier league.



cup competitions like carling cup & club world cup cannot be considered. not every team gets to play the same number of games in such settings. in the league, all the teams get to play 38 games each and rooney has never won the golden boot in 11 seasons. no excuses!!!

elampiro2:
Rooney is an expert in goal scoring. He is the best number 10 in the history of EPL.

Fifa footballer of the year. Owen never made top three sef.

Yekini went to Europe in 1990. He had not even got to his prime.

On FIFA best player, it's about being a complete footballer. This is why hyena's like Inzaghi and Nistelrooy couldnt come up no matter how UCL and local goals they may have scored, when Figo, Cannavaro and Zidane could win it.

Berbatov was always in the box. Just that he is lazy.

Golden boot is nothing. Rooney has won PFA player of the year. He is rated very high in the world. He is king. The only one who SAF refused to let go even when SAF hammered Beckham (English), Stam, Kean (English).[/b]

coogar:
clueless man!
dayokanu stole raumdeuter name from müller. you don't even understand anything at all.

coogar:
it's one thing to juggle the ball with skills, it's another thing to transform the skill into an end product. if those ball jugglers have any end product, they would be in barca, madrid or united.......not at the side-streets of surulere.
the only individual award for strikers who know where the net is. there's no politics in it like popularity contest. it doesn't need any judges or fraudulent polls. if you score the highest number of goals, you win the boot - period!
if rooney was a mercurial striker & an expert in his role, he wouldn't be removed from scoring to tackle opponents or be used as a bull. SAF knew rooney is average, that's why he bought RVP/chicha and rooney was reduced to a bull - doing a job known to players like alex song, tiote, toure, wanyama, etc

coogar:
you mean you have seen VP & falcao playing as a central midfielder? stop watching your football from a calabash.
cup competitions are a farce!
not every team gets to play the same number of games. if ronaldo's team gets eliminated in the first round, that's it for him. your team has to go all the way to have a chance of claiming the golden boot in most cases.
the league is 38 games for everyone.
there's no excuse apart from injuries and rooney featured more times than berbatov at united. how come berba managed the feat and rooney never struck gold in 11 seasons? abeg - rooney is a master of nothing!

coogar:
no golden boot, no top assists tell me rooney is average. in rooney's best season to date, he was still bested by aguero & van persie even when we added goals to assists.


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he was at least 30 years by then.



it's a popularity contest.
there's no single statistical evidence used to vote FIFA's best player. if every voter decided to say bebe is the best player, bebe would become the best player. it's that farcical!



21 open play goals in 2200 league minutes!
it's a record in the premier league.



PFA player?
another popularity contest - the same PFA that chose bale ahead of nani in 10/11. the same PFA that chose giggs in 08/09? please - talk another thing.

elampiro2:
You were stylishly inviting him to come rescue you.

You know know wetin you enter today. Today is free day here to collect voter's card. So you know exactly what you are into now. Yori Yori.

You don't know soccer. Why is Di Maria now striking for us? Has he ever been a prolific goal scorer? The best creator is now a striker.

Why was Kagawa played in the wing by SAF? You can never coach a team. I bet you.

Rooney is doing the job of Wayanma yet he has 8 goals and 4 Assists for us. RVP has only 9 goals playing one position.

Tell me Falcao has ever played like this before. And RVP, Mata and Di Maria too.

Occasion wanrranted Rooney to always rescue us in the middle of the park. First Kean was gone and we were left with soft Scholes and Carrick. Then Hargreaves left. So SAF needed someone to always keep an eye in the middle of the park.

Rooney is a legend.

elampiro2:
What is the worth of these players? Why is Chelsea, Madrid, Barca and PSG not asking for them?
Yeye players, shine today rotten tomorrow. We are talking of top level constituency for 12 years.
Which of them has ever won UCL highest Assists?

coogar:
invite dayokanu to come & do what?
you and dayo are my regular lunch here. i have bludgeoned you guys more times than the ALUU-4



and di maria has done this for 9 seasons?



kagawa did this for 9 seasons?



of course, let's pretend rooney hasn't played as a striker at all this season. it makes a good argument.

clueless man!



falcao & RVP have played as a striker in all the games they have played this season. di maria was a CM last season at madrid. mata has played other positions for chelsea - it still does not excuse rooney's mediocrity for 11 seasons.



occasion warranted nada!
SAF knew rooney wasn't as good as his peers in the other teams. he even left him out against madrid - the biggest game in SAF's final season.




........at everton!

elampiro2:
Rooney is a Man United legend. £300k valued playmaker.

coogar:
no golden boot, no top assists tell me rooney is average. in rooney's best season to date, he was still bested by aguero & van persie even when we added goals to assists.

coogar:
he was at least 30 years by then.
.

coogar:
it's a popularity contest.
there's no single statistical evidence used to vote FIFA's best player. if every voter decided to say bebe is the best player, bebe would become the best player. it's that farcical!

coogar:
21 open play goals in 2200 league minutes!
it's a record in the premier league.



PFA player?
another popularity contest - the same PFA that chose bale ahead of nani in 10/11. the same PFA that chose giggs in 08/09? please - talk another thing.

elampiro2:
Seat there and be talking megedefede. Rooney will soon be EPL all time highest goal scorer.

How was Zidane when he came to limelight. Yekini was 27 when he arrived Portugal and he had been a professional in Ivory Coast. At 27 he had not reached his peak in 1990.

Why did Beckham and Scholes not win the PFA player of the year?

Bale was better than Nani. Bale started the season destroying oppositions from left back position. He played for a lesser team.

As for Berbatov, he is just a no footballer. Just stood there and got supplies. Berbatov is a lazy hyena.

coogar:
if you do the same for oshea, van der sar, evra, ruud, etc, you would get even better results. stop showing us what rooney did while neglecting the stats of others.

coogar:
the last time we won the league, this happened.....

coogar:
RVP rapëd rooney again. can you now see the consistency?

elampiro2:
Lies. Even when Ronaldo was around, it didnt work that way for Roanldo not to talk of Ruud, Oshea, etc. Analysis showed that Rooney absebce was felt more than Ronaldo's.

Last time we won the league, RVP was the lead striker and got supported by mighty Wayne Rooney. Should Rooney get a Wayne Rooney supporting him he would score 40 goals.

Rooney was also played in the wing and midfield as we had against Stoke, West Ham and Villa. Rooney only played 2020 minutes and a part off the number 10 role.

Rooney is king.

We did better with Rooney starting. Rooney only played a few games and he wasnt the striker, he was in the central midfield in some of the matches. Yet he came up with that stat.

Rooney should be paid 350K/week[/b]

coogar:
after 11 seasons of playing for man utd that has won the league 5 times in that period.....it's a disgrace rooney hasn't broken the record yet. ruud scored 150 goals for united in 5 seasons.



that was his passport age!
he was born in 1960. any 3SC fan would confirm that for you. even at 27(his fake age) as a striker, he was already past his prime. no big team would dash a non-EU player a 5-year contract at 27.

coogar:
beckham has never even been the best player in united & scholes is too camera-shy.

coogar:
nani destroyed every team that year.....
a news reporter even wrote an article about it. whoscored gave it to nani as per statistical evidence but nani isn't british so no one cared.



21 open play goals in 2200 minutes says otherwise. a premier league record.

elampiro2:
* Nistelrooy did that playing only as a lead striker. Never played in midfield and wing.

* What was Zidane's passport age? Yekini had not past his prime because he kept increasing his goal tally season after season. Has Muller also past his prime? Why is he earning peanuts?

Now you agreed best players win it. Ukwu! Scholes was camera shy. Cooagr knew Scholes viewing calabash, not TV. Ukwu!

Bale's stats would be misleading in comparison with Nani. This is because Nani only played as a winger. He was not a right back. This is why people who know football vote, and not ayagayagayagos who look at computer figures.