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Tuaregs and Siwa Berbers ( who are both black are Berbers). Majority of indigenous Berber groups today that still practise the culture are indeed black. The white Berber is a made up nonsense of people who are really European (Greek, Roman and Turk).

The fact a lot of you Africans don't know this is laughable. The Berbers living in the mountains are all predominantly black. Whilst those living the luxurious life not even practising traditional Berber culture are white.

anonimi:
We had serious achievements BEFORE the Sahara desert became fully dry and cut off exchange with other civilisations that leads to continuing development. Nevertheless we should not claim what is not ours in order to feel good uselessly.

very true, the sands of the Sahara cover many Great joys of black Africans

As you guys can see half of this video is about the Fulani people. Although the guy who writes that Fulani are the original Berbers are wrong in the second half of the video.

Northwest African Sahara - Home of the Native Afr…:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCpsJxkUAVo

macof:
Dump christianity and Islam.

Riiiggghhhttt. I agree. Let's go back to sacrificing children, circumcising females, rituals killings, strict monarchical reins etc. I am with you. You are probably the most sane person here today.

i just learnt from wikipedia that the cordoba mosque was originally built by the catholic church,then divided between tthe church and the invaders,... read up please and verify...

absoluteSuccess:
Is it the blacks of Africa who do not have anything to do with north Africa talkless of Europe, (according to some folks here) that we are talking about, or we are adapting ourselves to the historical achievements of moors of north Africa based on pigmentation similarity?

Mande people of West Africa were very active in the Moorish army, it was a union of muslims gathered from lands the Arabs had Great influence which included modern Mali and Niger..plus Bantu slaves obtained by Arabs were among the Moors

Demmzy15:
Let me teach you some history lesson, Spain was of course inhabited but not by Christians. The Islamic empire of Spain was established by one of the the Ummayyad Princes by the help of the Moors! Muslims owned Spain, but we're driven out the Christians in the 15th century. Spain and Grenada were Muslim lands, we had some scholars from Spain like ibn Hazm Al-andalus.

When Muslims were expanding into Europe, they were stopped in France in the 8th century. The first Crusade was called by Pope Urban II about 200years later, when Muslims and Christians lived peacefully. They captured Jerusalem in 1096AD,before they captured Jerusalem they laid seige on Marra. They then entered the city and there was famine, they resulted to cannibalism, they started eating the dead bodies of Arabs(Muslims and Christians) and turks!! Are these the individuals, you should be proud of?!

The war between Muslims and the Roman empire all started when they wanted to end the Muslims during the time of Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam), you even lied when you said the Crusade was called because Muslims killed pilgrims??!! My friend the Crusaders were ones who stopped Muslim pilgrims when they(Crusaders) captured Egypt, they stop Muslims who were going to Mecca and killed all of them!

There was freedom of religion in the Muslim Jerusalem, no one was denied pilgrimage. In fact no one paid for pilgrimage, when Muslims tried to take over Christian or Jewish sites they were punished! To try to show that Muslims are the bad guys, here is a link showing modern Christians apologizing to Muslims for the Crusaders actions http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/1996/october7/6tb090.html#bmb=1

Muslim invaders were not stopped at France, they were stopped at the gates of Vienna. And you talk like the muslim invaders just came and met empty land. what happened to the Visgothic kingdom who were already christians and jews, did they not attack them? abi was it beg they begged them before they started ruling them. pls google "arian christianity". And Jerusalem? have you forgotten what Abu Ubaydah and Khalid ibn Walid did? what about the Rashidun Caliphate's siege? Freedom of religion my foot! pls define the term "dhimmi" for my fellow nairalanders. *note* your ancestors would have being polytheist so you wouldn't even qualify as a dhimmi. Best wishes.

macof:
Mande people of West Africa were very active in the Moorish army, it was a union of muslims gathered from lands the Arabs had Great influence which included modern Mali and Niger..plus Bantu slaves obtained by Arabs were among the Moors

In addition to Fulani and also Songhai (Zarma) who were very active as well. The problem is that most Southern Nigerians don't know the history of their northern counterparts because they spend too much time kissing Oyibo man's rear end.

In fact, I'm willing to say that more Fulani and Songhai were a part of that army since you can find Songhai and Fulani in both Niger and Mali. Mande are mainly in southern Mali

macof:
Mande people of West Africa were very active in the Moorish army, it was a union of muslims gathered from lands the Arabs had Great influence which included modern Mali and Niger..plus Bantu slaves obtained by Arabs were among the Moors

Google the trans-sahara slave trade carried out by the arabs which started before the trans-atlantic slave trade. The arabs had to be forced by colonial powers to abolish it. Saudi Arabia only abolished theirs two years after Nigeria got her independence.

Fulaman198:
In addition to Fulani and also Songhai (Zarma) who were very active as well. The problem is that most Southern Nigerians don't know the history of their northern counterparts because they spend too much time kissing Oyibo man's rear end.

In fact, [b]I'm willing to say that more Fulan[/b]i and Songhai were a part of that army since you can find Songhai and Fulani in both Niger and Mali. Mande are mainly in southern Mali

Lmao @Fulani. There was no Fulani at that point in history, mate. There were Wolofs, Mande, Hausas, Songhai etc.. Stop trying to throw Fulanis where they never existed. Even up the 17th century - the so-called "Fulanis" were mostly slaves.

Also, no one can point to the real origins of Fulanis and where they came from. But the closest has to be an admixture between Wolofs and something else.

Fulaman198:
In addition to Fulani and also Songhai (Zarma) who were very active as well. The problem is that most Southern Nigerians don't know the history of their northern counterparts because they spend too much time kissing Oyibo man's rear end.

In fact, I'm willing to say that more Fulani and Songhai were a part of that army since you can find Songhai and Fulani in both Niger and Mali. Mande are mainly in southern Mali

"However, if a non-Muslim population
refuses to pay the jizya protection/subjugation tax,
that population is considered to be at war with the
Muslim "ummah " (nation), and it becomes legal under
Islamic law to take slaves from that non-Muslim
population."__ culled from Wikipedia. in other words Fulaman someone like me is fair game right at least the whiteman's "ass" can boast of abolition movements and pioneering human rights... what can the Moor's "ass" boast of?

MarieSucre:
Muslim invaders were not stopped at France, they were stopped at the gates of Vienna. And you talk like the muslim invaders just came and met empty land. what happened to the Visgothic kingdom who were already christians and jews, did they not attack them?

Muslim invaders were stopped in France and in Vienna.

The Moors (African Berbers and West Africans) were stopped in France by the army of Charles the Hammer (I think) in the 8th century.

The Ottoman Muslims who captured Constantinople much later in the 15th century were stopped from advancing further into Central Europe after they lost a battle to Christian forces in Vienna.

Radoillo:
Muslim invaders were stopped in France and in Vienna.

The Moors (African Berbers and West Africans) were stopped in France by the army of Charles the Hammer (I think) in the 8th century.

The Ottoman Muslims who captured Constantinople much later in the 15th century were stopped from advancing further into Central Europe after the lost a battle to Christian forces in Vienna.

Agreed in France too. So there were people who had their own civilisation already living there. The Moors came to ATTACK them. *reasons unknown* i'm glad we're on the same page.

According to some sources, google/wiki to be precise, His letter ended up in Morocco. He was very intelligent. he knew if he wrote in any language to west Africa, it won't be delivered (he was so intelligent that his slave master won't allow him go). So he wrote the letter in arabic, knowing fully well that the crackers won't understand it and then addressed it to morocco which didn't have blacks as its ruler and are with more phoenican people. The king ordered for his release. He was released with his wife but never saw his 6 children again.

blackjack21:
they are negroes dude.and by the way, we have senegal Senegal in similar butyraceous history of the black. Read this story.

12ema:
Riiiggghhhttt. I agree. Let's go back to sacrificing children, circumcising females, rituals killings, strict monarchical reins etc. I am with you. You are probably the most sane person here today.

strict monarchical reigns?? When u say this, what kingdoms do u have in mind? Cus I don't know of any black African kingdom that operates like that
if a particular king possesses so much power it's due to his personality not the system of governance cus we had separation of powers

Ritual killings were moral when they persisted, slaves and criminals were used but in the case of Christians, u perform witch hunting and killing of young children, burning them

Female circumcision has it's purpose and not every pagan culture practised this

macof:
Mande people of West Africa were very active in the Moorish army, it was a union of muslims gathered from lands the Arabs had Great influence which included modern Mali and Niger..plus Bantu slaves obtained by Arabs were among the Moors

Lol. Tryna give snippet of source. You wont buy it if I give imaginative tales as history. Medly of peoples' army touching down on the Niger is not a veritable proof of an ancient or shrouded history just because some familiar place-names are mentioned.

MarieSucre:
Agreed in France too. So there were people who had their own civilisation already living there. The Moors came to ATTACK them. *reasons unknown* i'm glad we're on the same page.

Humans attacking other humans is what we have done through all of history. The Muslims are not peculiar in that regard.

macof:
strict monarchical reigns?? When u say this, what kingdoms do u have in mind? Cus I don't know of any black African kingdom that operates like that
if a particular king possesses so much power it's due to his personality not the system of governance

Ritual killings were moral when they persisted, slaves and criminals were used but in the case of Christians, u perform witch hunting and killing of young children, burning them

Female circumcision has it's purpose and not every pagan culture practised this

So, basically what you are saying is back in the day, the aalafin of oyo had an election and was voted in and stayed in power based on character and strength.

2. Ritual killings were moral. "nuff said.

3. Female circumcision has it's place and purpose. Got it.

I really like this Utopia you have described. I can't wait for us to go back to it again.

MarieSucre:
"However, if a non-Muslim population
refuses to pay the jizya protection/subjugation tax,
that population is considered to be at war with the
Muslim "ummah " (nation), and it becomes legal under
Islamic law to take slaves from that non-Muslim
population."__ culled from Wikipedia. in other words Fulaman someone like me is fair game right at least the whiteman's "ass" can boast of abolition movements and pioneering human rights... what can the Moor's "ass" boast of?

Conquering you Euros

Fulaman198:
In addition to Fulani and also Songhai (Zarma) who were very active as well. The problem is that most Southern Nigerians don't know the history of their northern counterparts because they spend too much time kissing Oyibo man's rear end.

In fact, I'm willing to say that more Fulani and Songhai were a part of that army since you can find Songhai and Fulani in both Niger and Mali. Mande are mainly in southern Mali

Yea, a lot of the Moors were from the Senegal Valley area, so I can totally see how some of them could have been of Serer/Wolof/Fula pedigree.

But we Southerners don't kiss no oyibo behind. Why do you always accuse us so? Macof here has got more African pride than many people (northerner or southerner) I've seen.

SirShymexx:
Lmao @Fulani. There was no Fulani at that point in history, mate. There were Wolofs, Mande, Hausas, Songhai etc.. Stop trying to throw Fulanis where they never existed. Even up the 17th century - the so-called "Fulanis" were mostly slaves.

Also, no one can point to the real origins of Fulanis and where they came from. But the closest has to be an admixture between Wolofs and something else.

That's absolutely wrong. The Fulani are one of the oldest people in west Africa and even the video I linked proves that Fulani have been in west Africa for at least 8,000 years.

I know you have hatred against the Fulani, but kindly don't make up stories. You know Fouta Djallon named after the Jallonke Mande people? Guess what it was captured by Fulani. Many Mande territories were captured by Fulani. In fact, Mande and Fulani people have 5,000 years of history together

Radoillo:
Yea, a lot of the Moors were from the Senegal Valley area, so I can totally see how some of them could have been of Serer/Wolof/Fula pedigree.

Correct

Fulaman198:
Tuaregs and Siwa Berbers ( who are both black are Berbers). Majority of indigenous Berber groups today that still practise the culture are indeed black. The white Berber is a made up nonsense of people who are really European (Greek, Roman and Turk).

The fact a lot of you Africans don't know this is laughable. The Berbers living in the mountains are all predominantly black. Whilst those living the luxurious life not even practising traditional Berber culture are white.

Because of the pigment variation among berbers but they are not blacks...asin Negro people

12ema:
So, basically what you are saying is back in the day, the aalafin of oyo had an election and was voted in and stayed in power based on character and strength.

2. Ritual killings were moral. "nuff said.

3. Female circumcision has it's place and purpose. Got it.

I really like this Utopia you have described. I can't wait for us to go back to it again.

Yes, the Alaafin was elected by the Oyo mesi who also formed the uncodified constitution
They also had the power to depose an Alaafin lacking in competence, strength and character by compelling him to suicide

macof:
Because of the pigment variation among berbers but they are not blacks...asin Negro people

So you think black people are monolithic? They are black. They may not have your stereotypical what must southern Nigerians call 'Bantu' looks. However, you are honestly not going to say they are black:

https://media.lonelyplanet.com/lpi/610/610-35/681x454.jpg

They can easily pass for a Fulani or other Sudo-Sahelian groups

Fulaman198:
That's absolutely wrong. The Fulani are one of the oldest people in west Africa and even the video I linked proves that Fulani have been in west Africa for at least 8,000 years.

I know you have hatred against the Fulani, but kindly don't make up stories. You know Fouta Djallon named after the Jallonke Mande people? Guess what it was captured by Fulani. Many Mande territories were captured by Fulani. In fact, Mande and Fulani people have 5,000 years of history together

Lol. So, basically cos I always out ya Fulani fantasies - I have "hatred" for Fulanis, no? I honestly don't know why you lot are allergic to taking emotions out of proven academic/historical facts. I'm indifferent about Fulanis - but everyone knows they came later hence they never had a Kingdom in West Africa till the Jihad in the 17th century. The Wolofs/Serers always had Kingdoms from time immemorial. Oh, I "hate" Fulanis - but I always laud Hausas cos their history in West Africa is well documented, no? - hysterical.

The Fulani wave in West Africa started when Songhay was defeated by Morocco. And the Moors in West Africa prior to that were mostly Wolofs, Mandinka, Hausas, et al.

Anyway, since there are different hypothesis about the origins of the Fulanis (none has been confirmed), how about educate me on a definitive one - not falsified historical tripe? Some historians believe they came from North Africa. Then you have the Horn of Africa school of thought. And the Wolofs/Serers admixture with other people school of thought due to how similar the culture is, perhaps largely due to assimilation like the Fulanis of Northern Nigeria and Hausas.

SirShymexx:
Lol. So, basically cos I always out ya Fulani fantasies - I have "hatred" for Fulanis, no? I honestly don't know why you lot are allergic to taking emotions out proven academic/historical facts. I'm indifferent about Fulanis - but everyone knows they came later hence they never had a Kingdom in West Africa till the Jihad in the 17th century. The Wolofs/Serers always had Kingdoms from time immemorial. Oh, I "hate" Fulanis - but I always laud Hausas cos their history in West Africa is well documented, no? - hysterical.

The Fulani wave in West Africa started when Songhay was defeated by Morocco. And the Moors in West Africa prior to that were mostly Wolofs, Mandinka, Hausas, et al.

Anyway, since there are different hypothesis about the origins of the Fulanis (none has been confirmed), how about educate me on a definitive one - not falsified historical tripe? Some historians believe they came from North Africa. Then you have the Horn of Africa school of thought. And the Wolofs/Serers admixture with other people school of thought due to how similar the culture is, perhaps largely due to assimilation like the Fulanis of Northern Nigeria and Hausas.

How exactly are you 'outying' me with false testimonies? If you were to say Fulani have only been in Nigeria since the 1700s you would have been correct. What you don't realize is that Fulani people were on other parts of west Africa (especially Senegal, Mauritania, Mali, etc) way long before arriving in Nigeria on Camel and horseback.

The whole admixture stuff is and was bull crap as most White scientists have admitted. Sorry that we all can't look like Bantus like you would have wanted. However we are still black.

The admixture talk was just whites trying to claim Fulani people.

What is it again with this ritual stuff? what ritual? to what purpose? Have you ever been to place where you witness this with your own eyes? ritual money some people would say, for where? See you are one of the people, i can even say the black devil who makes people run away from home yet would complain that they left the African traditional way of Life.

ANYBODY ON THE TREAD OR ON THIS FORUM WHO HAS PERSONALLY WITNESS RITUAL SACRIFICING OR RITUAL MONEY, PLS RAISE YOUR COMMENT.

macof:
Yes, the Alaafin was elected by the Oyo mesi who also formed the uncodified constitution
They also had the power to depose an Alaafin by compelling him to suicide

macof:
Lmao
You said it all "in the bcs" hence Christians didn't exist then


Praise the ancient pagans for giving u civilization and everything you have today

Whatever it is islam is definetely trying to forestall progress! And they weren't pagans but jews that eventually birth christianity. From peter to paul to all the apostles who had their root in judaism!

Fulaman198:
Conquering you Euros

I'm a negro. The europeans are whooping ass with their technological advancements. i'm interested in how exactly you rate civilisations or being civilised?

Fulaman198:
How exactly are you 'outying' me with false testimonies? If you were to say Fulani have only been in Nigeria since the 1700s you would have been correct. What you don't realize is that Fulani people were on other parts of west Africa (especially Senegal, Mauritania, Mali, etc) way long before arriving in Nigeria on Camel and horseback.

The whole admixture stuff is and was bull crap as most White scientists have admitted. Sorry that we all can't look like Bantus like you would have wanted. However we are still black.

The admixture talk was just whites trying to claim Fulani people.

Please, debate logically without emotions - I've got nothing to gain from this debate apart from setting the records straight based on what can be proven as facts. And I'm not from none of the ethnic groups involved.

I believe the modern creation of Berbers in recent history is basically what's causing the confusion. Berbers never existed back then.

The first documentation of Fulani migration wave in West Africa started with the defeat of Songhay by Morocco and the destruction of Timbuktu. Then later the Fulani Jihad all over West Africa. Prior to that, nothing about Fulani was documented in West Africa.

Also, if Fulanis were part of the Songhay Empire - why would their migration wave start with the destruction of Songhay and Timbuktu, in which they would have laboured to build with other groups? And subsequently their Jihad against the other groups?

Stop revisionism - the Hausas in Nigeria for example were part of Songhay (well documented), and the Ajami script is a proof. The rest also had the script. Where's the Fulanis' ajami script?

macof:
Yes, the Alaafin was elected by the Oyo mesi who also formed the uncodified constitution
They also had the power to depose an Alaafin lacking in competence, strength and character by compelling him to suicide

Everything is always delicious on paper, that is until you have to taste it. ISIS and boko haram are right now going back to the strict dictates of mohammed and Islam by killing whoever does not agree with the Muslim faith. That was how it was back in the day and it was legitimized by the quran. We are supposed to move forward not retreat back to archaic tenets. I don't know about you but 10 to 15 people determining the fate of thousands of people is not democracy. I presume you went to school; was that how democracy was defined to you?