johnydon22:


Of course i would believe you with all my heart and become a believer.. now go on

Hmmmm so you can believe what I'll say his voice sounds like and you won't believe it when I say he exists ? Interesting .

neoapocalypse:


You do know some animals change their sex when it is not favourable like in some species of frog , how do you explain this ?

It is designed to do so . God says be fruitful and multiply. The reed frog has to undergo natural sex changes in order to populate (fruitful and multiply ). God's amazing design of nature should be appreciated by all mankind

elantraceey:


Hmmmm so you can believe what I'll say his voice sounds like and you won't believe it when I say he exists ? Interesting .

you have time for this guy , his impressing you with his knowledge and not driving anything home

elantraceey:


Hmmmm so you can believe what I'll say his voice sounds like and you won't believe it when I say he exists ? Interesting .

Stop going in circles for just answer the question, its very simple...

waiting....

pinkycute:
Am here to learn

Pls no offence... Can you briefly share with me what you have being able to learn so far?

We'll be here forever on this topic. You can't understand nor comprehend God.

Science (Our level of science), can't explain everything. Even in a billion years from now we'll still keep learning.

And when our offsprings take a look back at our 'science' they'd ROFL.

Why are you so convinced that God doesn’t exist?

"Well, I’m not really convinced that God does not exist. I’m simply turning the question around to say there is no positive reason to say that God does exist and he is therefore as likely to exist as the tooth-fairy or pink unicorns. So why bother to believe in something where there is no evidence, when there is so much for which there is evidence and you could spend a lifetime learning about it?"

--Richard Dawkins:


"scientific theories, in whatever field, are ephemeral and...may be even turned upside down by the discovery of one single new fact....This has happened time and again even in the exactest of sciences, physics and astronomy, and applies even more so to the biological field, where the concepts and theories are much less securely founded than in physics and are much more liable to be overthrown at a moment's notice."

--Ernst Chain (In a lecture which Crick, who, together with Watson and Wilkins, discovered the bihelical structure of DNA, gave some years ago).

"Your question [about God] is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations".

--Einstein.


My Take: Logically, since there are creations, there must be a creator. Does he care about you? That's a question I cannot affirmatively answer ('cause this perception varies with personal experiences and upbringing) .

"The problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."
--Bertrand Russell.


BTW, does anyone have the scientific explanation to 'ma'gun' (don't climb), and this other one that locks man and woman together?

Don't tell me it doesn't exist 'cause many of us have personally witnessed it happen.

[color=#990000][/color] GOD HAS NO BEGINNING NOR END.

khalids:


Okay. Can you please enlighten me as regards this.

The last time I tried this with Reyginus , thinking he was rational , he kept dancing in circles never giving me direct straight to the point answers but expecting me to give straight forward answers. You can check threads where such issues are discussed and please yourself

This question rhetoric,
HOW CAN WE DENY THE VERY FACT OF OUR EXISTENCE?!
FRIENDS GOD IS REAL, if the secret of his existence is that easy to answer probably someone else will ask WHY CANT I SEE GOD'S FACE?!
You can never fathom his ways, his ways are too deep for man's small mind to comprehend. Romans 11v33
Here is ur scripture

John 1 The Message (MSG)

The Life-Light
1 1-2 The Word was first,
the Word present to God,
    God present to the Word.
The Word was God,
    in readiness for God from day one.
3-5 Everything was created through him;
    nothing—not one thing!—
    came into being without him.
What came into existence was Life,
    and the Life was Light to live by.
The Life-Light blazed out of the darkness;
    the darkness couldn’t put it out.

King James Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
In the origin The Word had been existing and That Word had been existing with God and That Word was himself God.

God is real

kingdvd:
This question rhetoric,
HOW CAN WE DENY THE VERY FACT OF OUR EXISTENCE?!
FRIENDS GOD IS REAL, if the secret of his existence is that easy to answer probably someone else will ask WHY CANT I SEE GOD'S FACE?!
You can never fathom his ways, his ways are too deep for man's small mind to comprehend. Romans 11v33
Here is ur scripture

John 1 The Message (MSG)

The Life-Light
1 1-2 The Word was first,
the Word present to God,
    God present to the Word.
The Word was God,
    in readiness for God from day one.
3-5 Everything was created through him;
    nothing—not one thing!—
    came into being without him.
What came into existence was Life,
    and the Life was Light to live by.
The Life-Light blazed out of the darkness;
    the darkness couldn’t put it out.

King James Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
In the origin The Word had been existing and That Word had been existing with God and That Word was himself God.

God is real

lol

The Word is God

I stand corrected, sorry for the wrong use of the "adjective?"
I may not be a genius in the English language but I do know one thing...
"We did not get here by chance, there is a higher power thaat is behind all the things we see, think and feel, and that higher power is God (Good) and the other Satan (Evil)
You are entitiled to your own opinion

mmsen:


Rambling:
Lengthy and digressive

rambling - (of e.g. speech and writing) tending to depart from the main point or cover a wide range of subjects; "amusingly digressive with satirical thrusts at women's fashions among other things"; "a rambling discursive book"; "his excursive remarks"; "a rambling speech about this and that"

My response was a few lines, as opposed to yours. Now tell me again who is rambling.

I will probably keep saying this until the day I die but my major gripe with many religious people is that I'm pretty sure that many of you have not read the religious texts on which you claim to stake your lives upon. It's either that or you do not understand the language in which the text is written. You have already displayed a poor grasp of English, your use of the adjective 'rambling' to describe my response would be more appropriate to describe your own lengthy tome.

There is no scientific backing for your god(s). None. You do not need 'faith' if you have proof. Even the Catholic Church has to push people to believe based on faith, if they had proof they would be ramming that down the throats of the foolish masses instead of their centuries old dogma.

By the way thanks for the crash course on ENG 101

KingEbukasBlog:
mtcheew ... Ive posted my certificate to prove am not a liar---its on front page . Where is your name on the list since you follow the real or your own teachings ...ode

what's my business with your certificate? What has your certificate got to do etoh what I asked you?



And for calling me ode, the real ode is in your family house

dubemivan:

Am sorry sir! there is nothing to learn HERE instead you are here to get more headache and trouble into your life trying to learn from Nonsense!

LOL!
You definitely right my dear!

OBlaize:
I stand corrected, sorry for the wrong use of the "adjective?"
I may not be a genius in the English language but I do know one thing...
"We did not get here by chance, there is a higher power thaat is behind all the things we see, think and feel, and that higher power is God (Good) and the other Satan (Evil)
You are entitiled to your own opinion

By the way thanks for the crash course on ENG 101

The fact that your English is not up to scratch is probably the reason why you fail to fully understand the dogma that you hide behind.

The whole god = good, satan = evil is the most childish fairy tale that I have ever heard.

macof:


Lemme try to understand u better...do u mean how did the first living organism appear?

If that is how you would like to put it - "appear"
yes go ahead - kindly "exclude stagnant water" cause that is an unscientific fairy tale

How can anything matters? We are microbes on grains of sand, life is a stupid and insignificant accident and when its over we just dead meat. Therefore, nothing matters, including the Jewish or Arabic god, regardless how real ''he'' seems..


-RESEXZSKILZ

KingEbukasBlog:



Gen 1:
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them;male and female he created them.

Evolution is science's answer to man's existence ... never try riding this wild bull next time

I do not even get your point, I already told you the bible says that every other thing was evolved, man is the only thing God sat down to make, and added a nature to him that was not of the earth, something alien in today's language.

Evolution is real, it happened, don't be over zealous is disputing something scientifically seen and biblically acknowledge. Just that while man might have also evolved, Evolution was not the origin of man. Man is an exception, and further "stagnant water@ was not the source of the seed of evolution, a creator was in charge.

gatiano:
You can never imagine how relief i am to learn that you don't believe in the reptilians creating or civilizing the black people, what a relief!
though! the reptilians, greys and andromedans exist, they are the younger siblings of the pink man(caucasian), but much more and far more intelligent than the whiteman. all of them together are not intelligent at all compare to the knowledge of the blackman. nothing can outsmart its creator.

As per self-forgetfulness, if you are truely a blackman like you claim, i have experienced how deep you are in forgetfulness which is the same with evil or imitating the evil of the white race without even knowing. You do not know the history of the African traditions you so claim to love, but in fact, in reality, it is your cover face.

Go and play fifa 15 if there aren't some champion league match fixed at the moment.

Lmao...!!! You're relief that I don't believe in reptilians civilization of black people. But you have no problem believing in their existence and their intelligence over the whiteman.... Bu ha ha ha ha..!!!

Guy your hatred for the whiteman is already a full blown disease. Your version of creationism is as fuvked up as that of sciencetology... No wonder your teacher Louis farrankan likes doing business with them.

Meanwhile, could you kindly define "truely black" help me understand.

Guy park well... Wetin consign me with fifa.. Or did you mistakenly see a white man while you were typing your reply..

Imagin if BMW,MERCEDES BENZ,HONDA,TOYOTA AND NISSAN begin to argue that their creator must be a car with 12 gear or it must have 50 tyres cause it must be faster and better to have created them to be so beautyfull.For the fact that we were created does not mean the creator was created as we were.In order for a car to know how its creator was created,it need to become a human,likewise,for a human to know how their creator was created,we need to become a GOD.

DProDG:

By 'millions of testing' I believe e was referring to natural selection, not sure, maybe better wording would have been good. Yes, there are 'failures' in evolution, hence NS. Also, there is nothing like a 'perfect* combination', only a suitable* one.

I will start by asking you, the evolutionist, who is not sure that natural selection was the testing factor."What gave natural selection the authority to select and not to select some species to evolve"



I didn't create my theory. IF YOU HAD read a biology textbook on symbiosis prior to this, you wouldn't have said that. It's another guiding force in evolution and explains the bee-flower relationship you're talking about perfectly so I'll assume you're willfully ignorant for this...The bee and the flower example is simply a mutualistic behaviour but it doesn't explain how the flower came to exist at the first place and the bee too, sure will the bee have other food sources since natural selection basis lies on adaptation and so will the flower have other agent to pollinate it.



Exactly, "humans like us". How do you expect the same specie of primates to posses extremely different physical structures? IF YOU HAD researched that, you wouldn't have bothered asking. Eskimos have a modified homeostasis that helps them cope with the cold. It's significantly different from that of people from temperate climate. Same case with people that live on high attitudes, eg Tibetians(they posses more red blood cells etc), people living in desert regions, etc. You should know that the timescales for evolution involves millions of years(millions of generations) so for any more structures or speciation to be observed, it'll 'take a while'. Again, willfully ignorant or I'll just assume you searched and did not find explanations, so there. You're welcome.

In this case, will you say that the Eskimos where selected to live in the cold because of how they regulate their internal environment. So the cold now lead to a modified homeostasis? Now how much time do you think would have taken for this change to happen? Evolution takes tons of years to happen but evolution also happens in secs...E.g, Because evolution acts on the genes, a simple exposure to x-ray will change the genetic makeup of an organism. During a culture of micro-organisms in the laboratory, to observe the time taken for the new strains of micro-organisms produced to start resisting antibiotics, it was observed that this starts to happen within minutes. This is also an example of evolutionary change which we all know. Can you explain the difference in the time interval and please don't argue that one is still at micro-level and the other is a complex organism since evolution also made us believe that it's from macromolecules, the complex system came into existence and since both are living organism, that won't be an argument.



Wow wow wow! If you were in primary school I'll understand but I highly doubt that. Nope, Europe's temps even in summer(3months long) hardly ever compares to that of most of Africa. Europeans aren't going to 'turn black' just because it gets hot in July, same for blacks turning white in January. Even with a more severe climate, it'll still 'take a while' thanks to the long time scales evolution proposes as mentioned above.

If evolution proposes a long time scale, sooner or later or will I say, like we have started to experience now, judging from climatic changes, I believe a time will come when there will be a great shift like proposed in milankovitch cycle, where even parts of the europe begin to experience those climates that would be considered foreign to them. Since evolution is something in progress, don't you think the colour of their skin will change with respect to change in weather and climates condition...I mean white people

It's ridiculous you compare reproduction with evolution. Shows how much you know about either of them? what do you mean by this...


There's a high PROBABILITY that aliens exist, just haven't been discovered yet. I'm wondering how that's relevant. I hope you're not going to bring up area 51 and tinfoil hat crazy sh#t.

Evolution is in progress and what's your support towards the existence of aliens...Are you trying to tell me here that you're among the group of scientists that thinks the next change of mankind will be to Aliens, since we started from molecules to monkey and to man.


I really want to get the basis of where you're arguing from so that I will start to counter the claims...and like I see you do argue here with insults, I don't do that...

1st Corinthians 1:27 :- but God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. I have thought abt this several times, how did God come into existence, who gave Him the name 'God', what was he doing before He created man, how did the angels come into existence, but some things are best left unknown. The best we can do is aim for heaven, and we can ask God Himself. And to those claiming there is no God, live your life as if there is God. If there is no God(which I dnt believe to b true), then you will have lost nothing. If there is God, you will gain eternity

CHIAAGRO:
THE QUESTION IS COMPLETELY ILLOGICAL! GOD IS AN UNCREATED CREATOR. HE HAS NO BEGINNING NOR END! HE CREATED EVERYTHING INCLUDING TIME. SO YOU CAN NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTION OF "WHEN" OR "WHERE" ABOUT GOD. GOD EXISTS OUTSIDE THESE LIMITS AND HIS REGION OF EXISTENCE IS "ETERNITY". HE IS A SUPREME BEING THAT EXISTED BEFORE ANY WORK OF CREATION! HE CAN NOT BE CAUSED BECAUSE HE HAS NO BEGINNING. UNDERSTAND DEEP WITHIN YOU THAT GOD HAS NO CREATOR AND THAT MAKES HIM WHAT HE IS!
thanks

But a planet or a solar system or anything of simpler complexity needs to be created but not God the most complex being?

ivili:
Imagin if BMW,MERCEDES BENZ,HONDA,TOYOTA AND NISSAN begin to argue that their creator must be a car with 12 gear or it must have 50 tyres cause it must be faster and better to have created them to be so beautyfull.For the fact that we were created does not mean the creator was created as we were.In order for a car to know how its creator was created,it need to become a human,likewise,for a human to know how their creator was created,we need to become a GOD.

Your analogy is stupid because your bible says that god created us in his 'own' image.

I don't hate white people, there are few of them that are nice and true, to the true teachings. I have few friends from them, but know i don't sympathize with them on their falling. It is however a way to reach our fellow black family to seperate from them, and if they won't, the whiteman would always show his true nature which is a murderer. When the blackman is tired of being murdered on a regular bases and he finally understands how the black on black crime is been organised by the white people as in the case of what is happening in the north of Nigeria, Then they will seperate, not only physically but mentally. I heard a lebanese couple say they own nigeria, those are just one of the example to come. The israelis threatened the south african of market-crashing, this are just the beginning of the anger of the devils. aids and ebola new version will be in market soon, with it correct vaccinations to cripple your thought finally. i can't imagine crippling a thought of a person who is already in the valley of forgetfulness.

Reptilians and co exist, i guess, it is too tough for the forgetful soul of yours to concieve at the moment. black boys forgetfully play more fifa than the whiteman, watch and die over champion league than the owners; So don't be ashamed of playing fifa 14 or 15

GooseBaba:


Lmao...!!! You're relief that I don't believe in reptilians civilization of black people. But you have no problem believing in their existence and their intelligence over the whiteman.... Bu ha ha ha ha..!!!

Guy your hatred for the whiteman is already a full blown disease. Your version of creationism is as fuvked up as that of sciencetology... No wonder your teacher Louis farrankan likes doing business with them.

Meanwhile, could you kindly define "truely black" help me understand.

Guy park well... Wetin consign me with fifa.. Or did you mistakenly see a white man while you were typing your reply..

Horus God exist by Himself and God created the whole universe and all that's in it.These things are spiritual.Never forget that man is a spirit being,he lives in a body and has a soul.Its your spirit that has been designed by God to know and understand Him your brain can't neither can science.

And to those who believe big bang created earth, you find it easier to believe that a random bang caused creation than to believe a supreme being created us? Ok, so tell mi what caused the bang? Tell me how things started getting created out of nowhere. Tell mi how those same things got different forms. What existed before the bang? Oh, nd btw, if there is no God, explain how the sun stood still for an entire day. That was in the book of Joshua btw. Nd now scientists have found that there is indeed a day missing in history. Some people still won't recognize the truth even if it bites them in the ass. Seriously, how moronic can people be?!?

GooseBaba:


Lmao...!!! You're relief that I don't believe in reptilians civilization of black people. But you have no problem believing in their existence and their intelligence over the whiteman.... Bu ha ha ha ha..!!!

Guy your hatred for the whiteman is already a full blown disease. Your version of creationism is as fuvked up as that of sciencetology... No wonder your teacher Louis farrankan likes doing business with them.

Meanwhile, could you kindly define "truely black" help me understand.

Guy park well... Wetin consign me with fifa.. Or did you mistakenly see a white man while you were typing your reply..

You and that guy have been making me laugh since. I kinda see a Nairalander called 'Musiwa' in him.

For those threatening the OP with fire and brimstone, did God do the same when Job was throwing serious questions at him while he was passing through trials and tribulations? Y'all be acting like Job's friends.

Topic, since we are limited by our senses, it is possible not to see God therefore, believe that he was created by man. I believe that God cannot be created since he is the creator of all things. If he was created by some other intelligent being, then he ceases being called 'GOD'! If we believe that God is a figment of man's imagination, then how about we? Are we figments of a being's imagination? I'm enjoying the inputs from various people here.

TopsyKrete, see the question you put make men dey rack their heads.

Answer: Don Vito Corleone (The Godfather).

GerogeI:


I do agree with you that the big bang was just a huge Che&Therm and Nuclear burst (plus any other type of energy exchange that we have not discovered). How ever, you are Jumping the gun on evolution which is just an optimization. How did evolution start without an initiator?

Seems like the[b] god-of-the-gaps argument[/b] is the most common here on Nairaland. Evolution is different from abiogenesis. Evolution only says that life evolved from a common ancestor and there's enough evidence supporting the theory. Abiogenesis refers to how life started in the first place. It is still a credible hypothesis and I'm sure you do not expect science to have all the answers at once(that would be really boring ). Nothing is wrong with assuming there was an 'initiator' since we do not know for sure, however, remember it's an assumption that needs to be backed by evidence in order to be called science(intelligent design). Till then, it's not and we just say we do not know..yet.

God existence is imagination of man. God do not exist.