agaugust:


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Wrong data ! Thief ! Fraud !

Gripen combat radius is 800 km ONLY !

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/gripen/

Su-30 combat radius is 3,000 km according to manufacturer

http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su30mk/lth/

Winner is Su-30 Flanker !
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jpphilips:


I don't really care about what he is saying, I am of the opinion that twisting the history of Nigeria for any reason is dangerous and not acceptable.
He can joke, play pranks etc with the southies but he shouldn't dare twist facts about our past, hope I am not asking for too much.
BTW, what is patriotic about someone who lies to another national about his country's history for faceless vain internet glory??

You guys call this nonsense you are doing here patriotism? now let me give you a clue, if you guys are who you said you are representing different African countries, you should consider yourselves as brothers in arms not continental enemies, from what we have seen here, there are a lot to learn from the southies and vice versa,

This should be an opportunity for the Nigerian Naval personnel here who have not "seen" a submarine on their shores to get information about it and hopefully convince themselves why they need it, that is the way to grow!!, The south Africans should be able to learn one or two things about Nigeria's coastal capabilities and how much we have transformed our army due to boko haram insurgence.

Over all, you guys are really painting a calligraphy of vanity, putting your continent at risk in the long run, why has egypt remained passive to the AU? but will rather be a force in the Arab league? it is simply because of distrust in regional cohesion caused by the nonsense you guys are doing here.

What is wrong with Nigeria being the West African police? South Africa, manning the Southern block? Egypt on the Northern block and Ethiopia/kenya on the eastern block?

Do you know what such military cohesion will do to the psyche of the likes of Al qaeda in the Islamic Mahreb, Boko haram et al if we project continental interest above national bickerings?

why is Europe so united forming tough alliances that project their interest better than any other continent in the world? Cant we learn from them.

Let me tell you guys more of the disadvantage of the nonsense you guys are doing here;

Boko haram has ravaged Nigeria for 6yrs today, do you guys care? Nigerians and your fellow brothers in arms have paid the supreme price to the tune of over 13,000, do you guys care?

To form a regional alliance of Nigeria's west african neighbors have been a tough call, why is it supposed to be so? an Alliance of Chad, Niger, Nigeria and Cameroon has broken down twice and Nigerians paid dearly for it, 2,000 lives at the fall of Baga alleged by Amnesty international is no child's play, how can you secure an alliance when you are enmeshed in a petty mindset like I read here.

The few weeks we managed to sustain the alliance, Boko haram has had it very rough this past weeks, can't you see? the future of Africa rests on cohesion for regional stability not bickerings over the internet.

Our west African neighbors are ravaged by Ebola, who came to their rescue? MSF (French), WHO, where are the likes of Nigeria and south Africa who are housing the 1st 10th African's wealthiest?

Ivory coast nearly tilted to the brink of a civil war, who helped them? France, where was their west African allies, ECOWAS and co? is this how it is supposed to be? Who protected Ghaddafi when the westerners took him from us? who came to Mali's rescue when Al queda nearly took half of their territory?

We should be ashamed of this petty mindset we have as Africans. We are losing a lot already with this nonsense you guys are doing here.

agaugust:


What is the name of your new OPV and who is the manufacturing company ?

The process has been on for about 10 years of Project Biro

You will end up with a converted fishing trawler become OPV.....SAN has no money
.

jln115:

NO!!! your data is wrong!!!Thief!!!Fraud!!

Winner is Gripen!!!

See its easy to ague like a re.tard.

agaugust:


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Thanks for cutting off your own tongue

Gripen maximum ordnance 5,300 kg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen

Su-30 maximum ordnance 16,000 kg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-30MKI

Again Su-30 is champion !

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lezz:
Your post is bright. If this lengthy appeal to common sense had debuted before the Evarn attack, the chances of your being misinterpreted or misunderstood would have been very slim.

I should quickly add that Evarn has not misrepresented any fact in Nigeria's history that I observed. Maybe you should do well to point it out singularly.




If you have read Chinaua Achebe's "There was a country", you will agree with most of Evarn's points. Mind, Achebe experienced the war first hand.



That being said, I find your optimism and wish for Africa to be pure, honourable but down right naive and unrealistic.


Nigeria's foreign policy has always had Africa at the centre since independence. So we played our role in apartheid southafrica, boycotting the common wealth games, pseudo-economic blockade with Great Britain, giving scholarships to ANC members and contributing money as well.

That didn't get us anywhere, immediately after apartheid, Mandela came in and the first thing he did was ask the West to sanction Nigeria over the Ogoni 9 in 1996.



During the Laurent Gbabo Ivory coast brouhaha, south Africa stationed a war ship in west African coastal waters when Nigerian led ECOWAS was still mediating on the crisis.

That was a disrespectful,tactless and political naivety from rookie, senseless south African government. Nigeria oversees the affairs of west Africa through ECOWAS, any body or group interfering makes standard consultation and assessment .

Nigeria is a power broker in Africa but her political maturity does not give her the freedom of going into .northern or southern African territories to resolve dispute without consultation with the power brokers in those regions.



At the heat of ghadafi's ouster in the Libyan civil war, Nigeria wanted ghadafi out because of his expansionist agenda in west Africa. Viewing Nigeria as a threat to this plan, he has called for the disintegration of Nigeria. Consequently Nigeria was the first country in Africa to officially recognise the rebel fighters (our international power play and foreign policy had always been spot on), and you realise that the ANC of southafrica took Nigeria's position to be openly criticized. The ANC had the balls to criticize Nigeria's government for supporting the rebels. ANC international political near-illiterates questioned the stance of the Nigerian government internationally.



You are politically hollow my friend, at least internationally. This isn't a nollywood thread, It's a military thread where tough facts are brought to the fore.


You asked why Egypt has remained passive in AU, well not only Egypt but all of north Africa are essentially middle eastern!!!

Egypt isn't African any more than Turkey is European. Occupying the geographical space of Africa or Europe so rare a times don't cut it.Egypt situated in Africa only makes her African geographically. She is the leader of the Arab world.


Also, you said Europe is united, I beg to scream my disapproval. The French rivals the Germans and the Brits rivals both, Italy is always trying to bully the Germans.. the EU is a community of economic and political alliance built on the premise of mutual fear and distrust of each other.


When the recently held referendum was held to determine if Scotland would become independent of the UK, France was literally petrified despite a century long support and alliance with Scotland, she never wished Scotland independence.
She didn't want a divided UK to leave her alone to tackle the growing power and influence of Germany in Europe. France wanted Scotland to ramain in UK for fear of Germany lording it alone over Europe.

There's isn't all that naive cooperation in Europe





During the Ebola outbreak, Nigeria was hit but we quickly curtailed and defeated Ebola and immediately sent help to our west African neighbours.

Lagos state alone sent out trained medical expert and personnel and relief materials to train and help other less experience doctors of Ebola ridden countries. The Nigerian government gave cash in dollars and aids. So it wasn't only IMF and the west that supported Africa.


You are guilty of the misrepresentation of Africa's/Nigeria's history. That is worse than the crime you accused Evarn of.


Europe formed the EU after years of wars, economic and technological rivalries. These rivalries later accelerated development and progress. It is the same rivalry that you see in India vs Pakistan, China vs Japan, north korea vs south korea and the Asia pacific countries. These rivalries have brought technological and economic advancement in these regions.

The industrial revolution of the 16th century brought Europeans you so admire into Africa in the race to outgrow and outpace each other. Europe has become the most developed continent for that.


Africa's advancement will come when a need for fierce rivalry and threat within appears.


Here's an example, the Portuguese were the colonial overlords of Angola but Angola never so the need to advance untill the South African SANDF made the foolish act of invading, occupying and killing 800 civilians in kassadinga.


And the Angolan army rose and held 11,000 strong SANDF troops with CIA mercenary who had heavy artillery and air support and the Angolan army gave them the most humiliating and decisive defeat in modern African history with teenage Cuban boys shooting down SANDF air planes from the sky.

That's what this thread is about. Feel free to start another thread on African integration on trade.
You don't have to preach, you just have to leave.

It's your call.

agaugust:


I finished y.ou off with sources, Mr.dacostaANG the fake jet fighter analyst and fake Angola citizen
.

MikeCZAR:
Neutral ?



Quick Scenario: The mineral rich African country of Kotomaga(imaginary) is ravaged by a deadly civil war.

Between the Red boys and KLF(Kotomaga liberation force), the civil war fuelled by outside countries seeking control.

Both sides receive weapons via the remaining air ports which have no radar after being destroyed at the incipient of the conflict.

Nigeria backs Red boys and SA backs KLF.

SA deploys its air power and liason teams with KLF for the final offensive to capture all remaining territory and consolidate control.

1. Can Nigeria deploy its air power to counter this pending offensive?

2. Can Nigeria establish air control over the land held by the Red boys?

3. Both sides are able to use charter air lift to bring ammo, heavy logistics vehicles.

MikeCZAR:


The SANDF is sophisticated beyond the comprehension of those who reside in tree tops.

Training to operate and operational training is different.

The Gripen is still a project to bring a light multi-role fighter in the SANDF.

agaugust:


I finished y.ou off with sources, Mr.dacostaANG the fake jet fighter analyst and fake Angola citizen
.

Henry120:


Finally the Pig appears from the mud after years of hiding.

So which are you, a malay( not black enough/ not white enough pig) or an Afrikanner Pig? Don't be shy, answer.


All your ramblings still doesn't explain why you have only 9 pilots after 26 years?

patches689:


These apes dont realize that the Gripen was purchased as SAAB estimates that each individual airframe will last around 40 years

Hell, we only just finished designing and interrogating the PGM's and SRAAM's we are gunna put on it, with BVRM still nearing completion. Its not fully "South Africanized" yet.

We have another 30 odd years of Gripen left with no threats on the horizon. 18 Aircrew and what armaments we have for them is enough to smash any subsaharan airforce

jln115:

And why those Nigeria have only 3 F-7 pilots?

Henry120:


You know, you can't be classified as Human, you're more like an experiment. Fvcking half and half malay pig.


If it takes you 16 years to raise 9 pilots, and you claim to have 30 years left in the Gripen, how long would it take you raise 26 pilots?

27 pilots by 2045.

Noted.

SAAF would have it's full compliment of Gripen pilots by the year 2045.

Henry120:


Next

Henry120:


Next

Henry120:


You know, you can't be classified as Human, you're more like an experiment. Fvcking half and half malay pig.


If it takes you 16 years to raise 9 pilots, and you claim to have 30 years left in the Gripen, how long would it take you raise 26 pilots?

27 pilots by 2045.

Noted.

SAAF would have it's full compliment of Gripen pilots by the year 2045.

Henry120:


Next

patches689:


18 right now

And the number grows exponentially as more crew are trained

Last official word was that there were 52 pilots trained on the Hawk - 2 per plane

This means that at least 22 pilots are waiting Gripen qualification

This means that if it was important for us to have all grip operational we could do so in a handfull of months

jln115:

Henry120:


9. 9 pilots and 9 navigators.


How many hawks are in service with the SAAF?

Henry120:


I showed you a photo of qualified F-7 pilots.


Thanks for providing a photo of all the personnel in the SAAF.

jln115:

There are 24 Hawks in service, and you have yet to prove we only have 9 pilots.
BTW we have 14 Gripens fully operational at any given time and 12 in rotation, thus simple mathes 26-12=14
14 Pilots and 4 Navigators.

jln115:

And how do i know they are qualified F-7 pilots?because you told me?
It looks if those are the Aircrew, Ground personnel , Admin, Management of the whole NAF.

Henry120:


Not accurate.

You have 26 Gripens in service.
18 Aircrew (pilots and navigators)
In 2013 you only had 6 qualified Gripen pilots.
9 pilots and 9 navigators.

Henry120:


Qualified F-7 pilots. They were winged live on national T.V.

jln115:

Prove it!

Henry120:


What do you think the photo is there for?

Henry120:


What do you think the photo is there for?

Henry120:


What do you think the photo is there for?

jln115:

In 2010 we had 8 Gripen pilots mate!

www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11203

Henry120:

Written by defenceWeb
Wednesday, 13 March 2013 10:15




At present the SAAF can only muster six qualified Gripen pilots who only have 150 flying hours available across the whole Gripen squadron this year, according to Maynier. The annual target for fighter flying hours was 250 for the 2011/2012 period, according to the Department of Defence’s most recent Annual Report.



[b]Defence analyst Helmoed-Römer Heitman noted the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) requires fighter pilots to log at least 20 flight hours per month (240 flight hours per year per fighter pilot) to remain qualified.

“One of the biggest scandals of the Arms Deal is that we bought military equipment we could not afford to operate. And there is no better illustration of the point than the Gripen fighter jets in long-term storage,” Maynier said. “It is imperative that the Minister of Defence and Military Veterans, Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, reviews the allocation of the operating funding to the “Gripen system” in the SAAF.[/b]