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ayoku777:
Don't judge the character of God by all the actions of His prophets.

1Cor 14v32 says; ...the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

Meaning God gives His prophets some autonomy in the use of His authority. Meaning it is not everything a prophet does with his God-given authority that reflects the character of God in that situation.

When God gives you power and the authority to use His name with results, what you do will have results; even so that doesn't mean that what you did reflects the character of God. No it reflects the character of the prophet.

That's why there is a difference between the gifts of the Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit. You can have the gifts without the fruit. Gifts are given, fruits are grown. Not every prophet who had the gifts of the Spirit walked in it in proportionate measure with the fruit of the Spirit.

God told Moses to speak to the rock so water will come out. Moses in anger hit the rock with his staff (the symbol of his authority) and the water still gushed out. (Numbers 20v8-11)

Meaning a prophet can use the authority God gave Him in a wrong attitude and it will still have results. Yet that doesn't reflect the character of God. God was very displeased with Moses. (Numbers 20v12)

Elijah also called down fire at will on anyone who opposed him in the name of God. Yet when the disciples of Jesus asked Him to do the same; He rebuked them sharply and in no uncertain terms. (2Kings 1v9-12; Luke 9v54-55)

Jesus Christ is the Word of God; the communication of the character of God. He is the brigthness of God's glory and the express image of His person.

If you want to really know God; look at Him through the life and character of Christ; not just through the lens of everything His prophets did in His name.

The biblical patriachs, prophets, kings and saints did their best; within the limitations of the Adamic nature and of the old covenant and dispensations. But only Christ embodies the true nature and character of God in man.

Have this context in mind when you read the scriptures.

God bless.

What about the homicide committed by the isrealis against the people of Jericho where even kids and pregnant women were not spared as instructed by Jehovah, i guess that was also not God's fault, it was rather Joshua's who couldn't disobey God's order. Huh?

joe4christ:
What about the homicide committed by the isrealis against the people of Jericho where even kids and pregnant women were not spared as instructed by Jehovah, i guess that was also not God's fault, it was rather Joshua's who couldn't disobey God's order. Huh?

All the dispensations that came before Christ were the ministrations of death and condemnation. Man was caught in the cross hairs of God's judgment against sin.

It was after the Son of man was lifted up and He drew all judgment unto Himself that we could see the true face of God.

There is a different between necessities and pleasure. The old covenant revealed God's neccessities. There were only two options under pre-grace dispensations. It's either God was merciless against sin (which caught man in the cross hairs) or sin wipes out the entire race of man.

But grace through Christ reveals God's pleasure. What God really wants and desires. Jesus is the true face and heart of the Father. God's neccessities under the law didn't bring Him pleasure.

ayoku777:
All the dispensations that came before Christ were the ministrations of death and condemnation. Man was caught in the cross hairs of God's judgment against sin.

It was after the Son of man was lifted up and He drew all judgment unto Himself that we could see the true face of God.

There is a different between necessities and pleasure. The old covenant revealed God's neccessities. There were only two options under pre-grace dispensations. It's either God was merciless against sin (which caught man in the cross hairs) or sin wipes out the entire race of man.

But grace through Christ reveals God's pleasure. What God really wants and desires. Jesus is the true face and heart of the Father. God's neccessities under the law didn't bring Him pleasure.

And so God needed blood of animal to be partially and temporarily appeased and ultimately the blood of his son (Jesus) to be appeased once and for all.
How does this differenciate him from the gods my ancestors worshiped for centuries who also demanded the blood of animals and some even demand for the blood of humans as ultimate sacrifice?

Is the jewish God blood tasty

joe4christ:
And so God needed blood of animal to be partially and temporarily appeased and ultimately the blood of his son (Jesus) to be appeased once and for all.
How does this differenciate him from the gods my ancestors worshiped for centuries who also demanded the blood of animals and some even demand for the blood of humans as ultimate sacrifice?

Is the jewish God blood tasty

As an unbeliever; I know your mind is preprogrammed to have issues with anything relating to God. As if its default setting is "When you see "God" lock up".

But let me just indulge you for a while.

God created blood and He gave it to man as the tool of atonement and remission.

Lev 17v11 -For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the alter to make an atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.

Hebrews 9v22 -And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

And the difference is that God wanted a once and for all atonement. If God was blood thirsty He would not have put an end to a system of daily sacrifices and shedding of blood.

Hebrews 10v5v6 -Wherefore when He cometh into the world, He saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body has thou prepared me:

In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast has no pleasure.

God had no pleasure in sin or in the system of daily blood sacrifice for sin. Even so it is blood that could put an end to sin and that system of blood sacrifice. And God did it.

Actually; He did that because He was not blood-thirsty.

ayoku777:
As an unbeliever; I know your mind is preprogrammed to have issues with anything relating to God. As if its default setting is "When you see "God" lock up".

But let me just indulge you for a while.

God created blood and He gave it to man as the tool of atonement and remission.

Lev 17v11 -For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the alter to make an atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.

Hebrews 9v22 -And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

And the difference is that God wanted a once and for all atonement. If God was blood thirsty He would not have put an end to a system of daily sacrifices and shedding of blood.

Hebrews 10v5v6 -Wherefore when He cometh into the world, He saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body has thou prepared me:

In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast has no pleasure.

God had no pleasure in sin or in the system of daily blood sacrifice for sin. Even so it is blood that could put an end to sin and that system of blood sacrifice. And God did it.

Actually; He did that because He was not blood-thirsty.

He is not blood tasty, yet he established or rather created blood for the purpose of atonement, i am made to believe that he knows the end of a thing before it even begins, he knew the world would someday plung into a morally bankrupt global society and the solution he could come up with is a provision that could only save a few handful souls out of billions who will eventually perish, of which some will eventually perish cos they did not believe in the provision for salvation due to ignorance and indoctrination of which i cant categorically say it's their fault.
If this the best he could come up with, then he is not as wise as the supreme creator should...

joe4christ:
He is not blood tasty, yet he established or rather created blood for the purpose of atonement, i am made to believe that he knows the end of a thing before it even begins, he knew the world would someday plung into a morally bankrupt global society and the solution he could come up with is a provision that could only save a few handful souls out of billions who will eventually perish, of which some will eventually perish cos they did not believe in the provision for salvation due to ignorance and indoctrination of which i cant categorically say it's their fault.
If this the best he could come up with, then he is not as wise as the supreme creator should...

So God should save people by force, whether they want to or not? Whether they want to be with Him or not?

If God does more that He has already done through Christ to draw people to Himself; He will literally have to tamper with freewill.

No one will go to the lake of fire who didn't hear the gospel and reject it of his own freewill.

ayoku777:
So God should save people by force, whether they want to or not? Whether they want to be with Him or not?

If God does more that He has already done through Christ to draw people to Himself; He will literally have to tamper with freewill.

No one will go to the lake of fire who didn't hear the gospel and reject it of his own freewill.

Why can't your god ever forgive sin without blood... thats blood lust

ayoku777:
So God should save people by force, whether they want to or not? Whether they want to be with Him or not?

If God does more that He has already done through Christ to draw people to Himself; He will literally have to tamper with freewill.

No one will go to the lake of fire who didn't hear the gospel and reject it of his own freewill.

How would they know that christianity is the only true religion when they grew up being indoctrinated with their belief system, you expect them to just drop their belief for a new one brought to them from a strange land by strange individuals?
Would you likewise leave christianity for another religion? If you cant imagine yourself doing that, then you expect them to think less of theirs, enough to leave it for your? Is that not selfishness of which all your religionists are well known for
Talking about free will, who created this free will, wasn't it God who created the free will?
So he created free will for man knowing fully well that it will definately destroy him (Man).

How loving your God must really be...

johnydon22:
Why can't your god ever forgive sin without blood... thats blood lust

I don't know why He chose blood instead of sweat or another thing. But that's one of the perks of being a creator. You get to own the copyright for what you create and how you want it used.

There is so much we don't understand about God and His ways. Either because He has chosen not to tell us yet; or because its beyond what our frail minds and bodies can comprehend in this age; or because we have not sought Him enough for the understanding.

But that's the beauty of christianity. That's what makes a close walk with God a quest and an adventure. The privilege of being able to seek to know God more and better understand His complex ways -is the wow factor of a close walk with Him.

Every christian has as much questions about God as their next door athiest. The only difference is that true christians turn their questions about God into a quest and adventure; while athiest turn their questions about God into queries and accusation of His ways and character; and eventually of His existence.

Trust me; you don't have more questions about God than I do. What you do with the questions (whether you turn them into quests and adventures or queries and accusations) is what determines whether your faith will increase or decrease.

I've gone on a 21-day fasting and prayer before; just to understand some things about God. It was when I was having difficulty comprehending the balance between faith and works; and if a christian can lose his salvation or once saved is always saved.

I so badly didn't want to preach heresis or lead people astray. I sought God for the truth and balance of this doctrine; and for scriptures to back them. And He answered.

That is how to be a growing christian. That is what to do with your questions about God. Christians who don't do this are the ones that become lukewarm or athiests.

If you just rant and complain about what you don't understand about God; He will not answer you. And your becoming an unbeliever will not reduce Him.

God bless you.

ayoku777 A God with such a personality as depicted by the jewish bible has no moral jurisdiction to judge anybody, he is likewise arrogant, a mass murderer, a racist, a vengeful, having tendencies of getting really angry and losing control and so much more...
When the church preach about a loving God, my mind just have difficulties understanding how a God with such evil personality could be seen as loving. The god of the old tastement is not qualify to be called good, he indeed is a jewish deity like every other deity all around the world, the only person i respect is Jesus christ, cos he came to preach peace, love and moral standard, a life worth emulating, he came to preach a God of love who i'm so certain is different from the old tastement god, even though i know most of Christ teachings were tempered with, teachings like re-incarnation and spiritual evolution, and hellish doctrines were added to put fear as a control mechanism to govern their followers, yet Jesus i'm certain is a messanger who came to live an examplary life.
Spirituality you must agree with me is quite different from religion.
What most religion enjoy is the benefit of spirituality and not religion, almost all religion all over the world do have a divine link to spirituality, christianity only seems to have more demonstration of spiritual power cos of some fundermental spiritual principle they practice and believe in, such as faith, love, giving, kindness, selflessness, fasting and praying, hope and thanksgiving - alll these attracts divine intervention of the cosmos (Universe) who distribute positive energies of healing and communing with the people on matter of their faith and belief.
There is more for me to say, but i'll just stop here cos i certainly know that all i've said so far will definately not settle down well with you cos you've been indoctrinated with myths.
But i hope someday your mind will desire to get enlightened and seek more truth and answeres to unanswered questions in your mind.
And only then shall you know the truth which will set you free as spoken by christ Jesus himself...

Cheers!

ayoku777:
I don't know why He chose blood instead of sweat or another thing. But that's one of the perks of being a creator. You get to own the copyright for what you create and how you want it used.

Now take a look at this, this ur god have a very big blood lust problem. needs help.. good things u christians av modified him tho judaism have not.. (everybody have their own different concept.. Aaaah )

ayoku777:
There is so much we don't understand about God and His ways. Either because He has chosen not to tell us yet; or because its beyond what our frail minds and bodies can comprehend in this age; or because we have not sought Him enough for the understanding.

so what dah fvck have you been yapping here.

ayoku777:
But that's the beauty of christianity. That's what makes a close walk with God a quest and an adventure. The privilege of being able to seek to know God more and better understand His complex ways -is the wow factor of a close walk with Him.

laughable...

ayoku777:
Every christian has as much questions about God as their next door athiest. The only difference is that true christians turn their questions about God into a quest and adventure; while athiest turn their questions about God into queries and accusation of His ways and character; and eventually of His existence.

every christian have not started to reason yet. we atheist ask you these questions to show you the absurdity of ur beliefs.

ayoku777:
Trust me; you don't have more questions about God than I do. What you do with the questions (whether you turn them into quests and adventures or queries and accusations) is what determines whether your faith will increase or decrease.

Then i advice you to employ your brain and reason, research about the craps you believe and call myth myth. a snake or a donkey never talked.

ayoku777:
I've gone on a 21-day fasting and prayer before; just to understand some things about God. It was when I was having difficulty comprehending the balance between faith and works; and if a christian can lose his salvation or once saved is always saved.

You will get urself killed doing that shiit.
so ur god cant show u without u mutilating ur body with starving. am betting after starving urself nothing still happened. Lmao dude ur beliefs are in ur head..

ayoku777:
I so badly didn't want to preach heresis or lead people astray. I sought God for the truth and balance of this doctrine; and for scriptures to back them. And He answered.

You wont be the first their are over 41,000 doctrines and sects in christianity and each claim to be right.

ayoku777:
That is how to be a growing christian. That is what to do with your questions about God. Christians who don't do this are the ones that become lukewarm or athiests.

Atheist embrace reality You do know that if you were born in the north and ur parents were Muslims, you would have been a muslim now yapping Allahu akbar. All this crap you believe in are all a result of child indoctrination.

If ur parents waited for u to get to 21 before telling you any of that shiit, you wouldn't have believed them

ayoku777:
If you just rant and complain about what you don't understand about God; He will not answer you. And your becoming an unbeliever will not reduce Him.
.

I dont rant and complain, no deity have been proven and i doubt any can be. i ask you questions to show you the childish absurdities of ur beliefs. Yeah just like you being an unbeliever in allah did not reduce him or thor or amdioha.

They are just imaginary sky fairies in

joe4christ:
ayoku777 A God with such a personality as depicted by the jewish bible has no moral jurisdiction to judge anybody, he is likewise arrogant, a mass murderer, a racist, a vengeful, having tendencies of getting really angry and losing control and so much more...
When the church preach about a loving God, my mind just have difficulties understanding how a God with such evil personality could be seen as loving. The god of the old tastement is not qualify to be called good, he indeed is a jewish deity like every other deity all around the world, the only person i respect is Jesus christ, cos he came to preach peace, love and moral standard, a life worth emulating, he came to preach a God of love who i'm so certain is different from the old tastement god, even though i know most of Christ teachings were tempered with, teachings like re-incarnation and spiritual evolution, and hellish doctrines were added to put fear as a control mechanism to govern their followers, yet Jesus i'm certain is a messanger who came to live an examplary life.
Spirituality you must agree with me is quite different from religion.
What most religion enjoy is the benefit of spirituality and not religion, almost all religion all over the world do have a divine link to spirituality, christianity only seems to have more demonstration of spiritual power cos of some fundermental spiritual principle they practice and believe in, such as faith, love, giving, kindness, selflessness, fasting and praying, hope and thanksgiving - alll these attracts divine intervention of the cosmos (Universe) who distribute positive energies of healing and communing with the people on matter of their faith and belief.
There is more for me to say, but i'll just stop here cos i certainly know that all i've said so far will definately not settle down well with you cos you've been indoctrinated with myths.
But i hope someday your mind will desire to get enlightened and seek more truth and answeres to unanswered questions in your mind.
And only then shall you know the truth which will set you free as spoken by christ Jesus himself...

Cheers!

Lmao dude you dont believe in yahweh, but you believe jesus? hahahahaha no be small thing oo