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coogar:
arsenal haven't beaten city, spurs & liverpool in their run of games so united are the form team.

coogar:
and what does this prove?
city before AFCON lost games
city after AFCON lost games.

coogar:
teams with no pawa dumped city out of europe - and it's now a yearly ritual for city. pawa is irrelevant in modern football. carrick is not pawaful & yet ate city's midfield throughout.

elampawa, any more excuses?

coogar:
you mean alves played in the midfield?

xavi & iniesta were responsible for the 5-0 victory against madrid. nothing to do with alves.........and messi isn't a powerful player. he's a defensive liability.

coogar:
hummels would bring a wealth of experience to reset the brains of jones, mcnair & blackett. this is why we need a world class defender - a leader of men at the back.



even the great de gea couldn't save us from some embarrassing defeats last season. football is a team game - if there's no protection for the defence, even the world best defenders would get torn apart.

we need a new RB, CB, CM & CF

coogar:
you are a tool!
weren't you convinced LVG is doomed? didn't you say we won't make top 4? didn't you say moyes plays more attacking football than LVG? you have been exposed as a fair weather fan. you are not a die-hard fan, you are a moyes cöck-sucker. if gollum cüms in a cup, you would drink it up & lick the cup.

elampiro:
They beat Man United in FA cup and Liverpool in the league. They also beat Everton.

Man City had only lost two games before Yaya Toure went to AFCON. City were second, just three points behind Chelsea. Yaya left and City has lost 3 matches and drew several.

Yaya went to play 8 African matches in three weeks (two friendly matches plus 6 AFCON matches) under scourging sun. At 31 (African football age), he is never going to recover. This is why Silva is now useless.

Carrick and Herrera have all been resting and now they are fresh while other players like Toure, Matic, Fernadinho, Hedenson, are battle fatigue from week in week out in UCL, EPL and FA cup matches.

Yaya Toure is mostly particularly hit and Toure is City.

Alves has the energy of a lion.

The 5-0 has much to do with energetic puyol man marking Ronaldo. Messi and Pedro speeding football. Abidal and Alves beasting and powerful football.

In those days, when an opposition is in possession, Abidal, Alves, Pedro, Alexis, Puyol, Mascherano would give the opposition a chase of their life that they had no option than to surrender the ball. Even Bousquet does this too. Bousquet, contrary to opinion, is not a soft player.

parrotibaba:
Anyways to d b1tches dat doubted d coach ,shey u guys r eating ur sh1t now ... Remove Herrera n blind from d team n d remaining 9 players currently on d first team were here last season n a certain Moyes rаped manutd's status n messed up on her head ,so I guess I won't be hearing dis "did Moyes spend dis kinda cash on players last season" crap I v been hearing since ,Moyes should be flogged for turning a team dat won d league a year b4 to a team dat finishes 7th cos if SAF had stayed one more season with d same squad ,we wouldn't hv finished outside d top 4 ...David Moyes, d chosen one who let teams sh1t on our laps ,even SAF was so flabbergasted dat he started sh1tting bricks

coogar:
it's not the kinda game mata would fit.
as much as liverpool are shyte, we have to respect them at anfield & change tactics to counter-attack like the game at the emirates.

the key is to win ugly!
let them have all the possession - we will remain compact in the final third and wait for them to make a big error & then hit them on a counter with pace.

di maria should replace mata & and i cannot decide if shaw should replace blind as LB. shaw has pace to cope with sterling but he's hopeless going forward. blind is a gem going forward but he might be burnt for pace. it's a big dilemma for LVG.

afrodoc2:
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RB= clyne
CB= Hummels or Thiago Silva

CM= Gundogan or Vidal

CF= Cavani or Lacazette or Chicharito

We are surely getting an AM/WF= Depay or Reus or Bale

nyabinghi:
enjoy yourself I got myself busy staking on sports. Soccer has passed being a fan and not making dough

nyabinghi:
how did mata cope in this game

coogar:
rooney is finished!
that's his 6th league game this year with only one shot on target to show for it. 1 shot on target in 540 league minutes of football.

the excuse was he hasn't played a striker this year but fellaini, blind, herrera, etc have all scored from midfield positions for us this season.

he is just not that good, he hasn't been for a few years. a player whose best features were physicality, pace and power and looked like a grown man at 16, it isn't hard to see that he has lost so much of which made him stand out.


rooney developed and peaked way too early. put him in any other PL team and he would be found out, he's in a bubble at old trafford where everything that he does poorly is down to circumstance.

he either needs X amount of games before he can play well or he needs a certain player or that so so player to be playing alongside him before he can perform. he even escapes media criticism for most parts to put a cover up his idïotic moments during any match.

nyabinghi:
is Rooney finished

coogar:
rooney is finished!
that's his 6th league game this year with only one shot on target to show for it. 1 shot on target in 540 league minutes of football.

the excuse was he hasn't played a striker this year but fellaini, blind, herrera, etc have all scored from midfield positions for us this season.

he is just not that good, he hasn't been for a few years. a player whose best features were physicality, pace and power and looked like a grown man at 16, it isn't hard to see that he has lost so much of which made him stand out.


rooney developed and peaked way too early. put him in any other PL team and he would be found out, he's in a bubble at old trafford where everything that he does poorly is down to circumstance.

he either needs X amount of games before he can play well or he needs a certain player or that so so player to be playing alongside him before he can perform. he even escapes media criticism for most parts to put a cover up his idïotic moments during any match.

nyabinghi:
is Rooney finished? Who has scored the most goals for united ?

coogar:
we beat the teams that finished first & second last season. teams your darling moyes said we were aspiring to become barely 12 months ago with the bulk of the same players.

coogar:
the ones they lost in carling cup & champions league don't count?

City have now lost 5 league matches since Toure left for AFCON, but lost only 2 before he left.

Crystal Palace
Bunley
Arsenal
Liverpool
Man United




How market?

coogar:
silva was city's best player last night - provided the all important assist for their first goal. he has scored & assisted plenty. city aren't poor going forward, they are useless when trying to defend with toure & kompany being utterly useless.

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coogar:
excuses!
na only toure go africa? bolasie went to africa and he's been beasting the EPL since he returned.



yaya toure is useless.
carrick placed him in his pocket after the first 15 mins of the game.

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coogar:
barcelona weren't a physical side.....
all they do is press, recover possession quickly and deny their opponents the ball for 80 mins. when you don't have the ball, there's little you can do to hurt your opponents.
what you described above is not pace & power. none of the players you mentioned play in the central midfield - it's just pressing and hunting in packs. they do not have a towering beast like toure, paulinho, zouma, etc in their midfield.

coogar:
matter of fact, it was the sole reason toure was discarded by pep & a more refined busquets was preferred. busquets rarely tackles, he's a master of interception just like carrick or herrera. they anticipate, stand in the gap, win the ball & keep possession.
power in football is needless.

coogar:
who has played the most minutes for united in the attack?

nyabinghi:
is Rooney finished? Who has scored the most goals for united ?

elampiro:
What has this got to do with the argument? City beat us 6-1 under SAF.

Under SAF last three years we became inferior to Chelsea and City. We were always outclassed. Does that meant Carrick and Scholes were rubbish? You soccer analysis changes with tide as results pour in week in week out.

City have now lost 5 league matches since Toure left for AFCON, but lost only 2 before he left.

Crystal Palace
Bunley
Arsenal
Liverpool
Man United



How market?

How come City has been useless without Toure or without Toure at his best? City lost three macthes when Toure left for AFCON. Now they have two more because he is battle fatigued. Before he left for Nations cup, he was rested in a particular cheap match and City manage to draw at closing stages. The nest matche he played and they won before he left for AFCON.

Who is bolaise?

Did he play AFCON final?
Is he over 30 years?
Did he play in the UCL?
Do they fight for EPL title or top 4?

Carrick did not play Toure in pocket. Fellaini and Young did the distraction. Toure was drawn into stopping the duo.

Barca had at least 6 physical players which balanced their team. At their prime, Alves, Abidal, Pedro, Puyol and even Messi could cover massive ground in seconds, thereby debying opposition space and shrinking the midfield zone for Xavi.

Lies, Carrick is one of the worst in interception in Man United. Our boys have all learnt how to tackle. Herrera praised Rooney for encouraging them to tackle in recent games.

Yesterday, Mata and Herrera won the highest tackles. Valencia, Jones and Blind had the highest interceptions. Infact, Jones interception/24 minutes is the best in the team.

Carrick is somewhere at the bottom while Herrera is 7th. The only players Carrick is better than at intercepting are our strikers and wingers- Rooney, RVP, Wilson, Falcao, Januzajand Fellaini.

elampiro:
It's RVP.

Rooney had a long spell in midfield, then some time at number 10. Not to talk of being withdrawn from attack to midfield while games needed to run down.

elampiro:
Dont mind these guys. Rooney would be in the same region of goals with Costa and Aguero if his time in the midfield were to be converted to striking position.

His goal/match return in the number 9 is similar to the best strikers in the EPL.
Coogar prays and fast to find excuses to criticize Rooney. If he manages to praise Rooney or even paste his gif, e no dey reach e belle. All na washe. I just dey laf whenever I see his comments. He must drive it down to Rooney eventfully.

elampiro:
You guys are diverting what this argument was about. Nobody compared their greatness in football or their capabilities, we were only disatisfied as United fans considering the money spent and the way Gaal got pampered for being in 5th instead of 1st. Paul Scholes, some Netherlands coaches all criticized Gaal.


* Gaal is benefiting from Moyes mistakes. That's life. You guys wont allow sleeping dogs to be.

Moyes did not have Fellaini until February 2014. Before he could blend Fellaini into the team, the guy got injured.
He did not have Carrick until January 2014.
Mata just arrived and he needed to blend his game. Just like Di Maria needs to.
Vidic and Ferdinand were also injured.
Then came the press and fans they gave Moyes hell, but gave a soft cruise to Gaal even when the team was struggling.
co
Gaal spent 150 million. It's a fact. On top of Mata, Fellaini and Zaha that were already additions.

parrotibaba:
excuses!!! LVG hard a plethora of injury cases during d first half of d season ,yet he bested Moyes recorded ,he only got his team back recently

coogar:
let them be making excuses.....
it's not fellaini's injury that had moyes look like a fool, it was where he decided to play him.

fellaini thrived under moyes at everton playing in the hole. moyes didn't have the balls to play him there cos he had to somehow play RVP & rooney even when they are unfit.

when i brought it up that fellaini is very good in the hole & should be playing there for us, elampawa shouted it down. now, he's lapping up his vomit concerning the big fella's influence behind the main striker.

elampiro:
^^^
You didnt address the part I was asking about Fellaini's effectiveness in the hole. Have you seen him there before?

coogar: he scored plenty of goals in that role at everton. he's the man of that position. the way his chest captures the ball & kills the ball dead can be used effectively to batter opponents.

fellaini should play in the hole in tough away games.

elampiro:
Not enough to make a case for him yet.

elampiro:
Not enough to make a case for him yet.

coogar: 11 goals/5 assists from the hole @ everton in 12/13? no freekicks, no awoof penalties. i think he's more than justified to be played in that role.

even your holy grail(whoscored) agrees with me. 12/13 was the only season fellaini played in the hole & that's his best season in england so far.

[img]http://164.177.157.12/img/blog/2014%2f11%2fFellaini.jpg[/img]

elampiro:
11 goals 5 assists from 31 starts?

Not okay to me. Well, we will see how things work out.

Can we see similar stat for Herrera?

SailorXY:
Rooney, Falcao, di Maria & Herrera are creative players with ball @ feet, Fellaini can also create with knock-downs & rebound avenues! that's why I feel a diamond 4-4-2 with Fellaini in that hole is a far more balanced formation for now.

coogar: you make sense, bro.
fellaini can create chances with his knock downs. when opponents press our defenders and we often struggle to play from the back, de gea can go straight to fellaini & you can expect the big man to use his chest to trap the ball.

it means you have a player that can create chances and can also get his hands dirty to help the team. fellaini is the business as long as he is playing close to the striker. he's a thorn in the flesh of defenders & he's tackled more than any player in the squad so far.

[img]http://164.177.157.12/img/blog/2014%2f11%2funnamed.jpg[/img]

Odunharry:
my thought exactly..

Arsenal,liverpool,palace, westbrom aint real threat.

coogar:
city played against 10 men for 45 mins.



in SAF's last 3 seasons.
we beat them in 10/11
even in 11/12, we burnt them @ etihad(FA cup) we beat them away in 12/13

we didn't become inferior to city. your memory is inferior to mine.

United played with 10 men for 45 minutes and lost 1-6.

Kompany sent off in 11th minute. City lost 2-3. With 10 men they almost killed us when they fought from three goals down.

Your porous memory needs a refill.

coogar:
city played against 10 men for 45 mins.



in SAF's last 3 seasons.
we beat them in 10/11
even in 11/12, we burnt them @ etihad(FA cup) we beat them away in 12/13

we didn't become inferior to city. your memory is inferior to mine.




so what does this prove?
you would have a point if city's losses coincided with toure's absence. you are only reiterating my point that city are poorer with toure in their squad - which nullifies your points that power is needed in the midfield.

Your crashing is getting worse the more you try to be clever.

City played 6 games (5 EPL, 1 FA CUP) when Toure went to AFCON. City only won one. Ukwu!!!

coogar:
city are useless with toure.
how many games did city lose in toure's absence? city have only lost a league game in toure's absence. the 2 games city managed to win in the CL is without toure.

city are very very poor with toure in the team. his power is useless. brains over brawns, my friend. pep knew what he was doing when he preferred a 19 year old busquets to yaya toure.

1/6 win when Toure was away says it all.

Before Toure went to AFCON, City had climbed to a point they were to over take Chelsea. Silva dashed all that.

coogar:
bolasie is the wing wizard giving opponents hell in the premier league. if you dunno him yet, you are not a football fan.



fellaini & young didn't play in the midfield. carrick & herrera destroyed toure & fernandino.




barca have no physical player in their midfield. none of busquets, xavi or iniesta is physical. how can you be mentioning defenders and forwards as midfielders? so it was abidal & puyol winning the battle in the midfield?

perhaps abidal, alves and messi also played for spain.

coogar:
carrick has the best interception stats in our midfield since he was signed. his greatest attribute is his interception, not tackling.



jones - defenfer
valencia - defender
blind - defender

which of the players you mentioned here played in the centre of the midfield? your argument skills need help.


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coogar:
this is retardëd!
we are talking about midfield battle & you are mentioning RVP & rooney. really?
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in case you have lost sight of the argument - i asked how much power is important in the midfield. you favour the toure type, i favour the carrick/busquets type. interception trounces tackling but you no go gree - you prefer the chaotic man-mountains like zouma & toure in the midfield.
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coogar:
football has gone beyond having bumbling oafs in the midfield. a game is won & lost in the midfield. it's the most important area of the team & carrick has won the most trophies of all the MFs still playing in england & the most common factor in our squad since 2006

coogar:
i still think rafael deserves a chance.
although, valencia has been very good defensively but he offers f@ck-all offensively. if we had a RB that could cross last night, city for concede 10.

at the same time, i am very convinced rafael woulda done something silly if he had played last night. he woulda probably kicked the lumps out of aguero instead of ushering him out like valencia did perfectly last night.

rafael
80% attack, 60% defence, red/yellow card

valencia
70% attack, 80% defence, no risk of card

valencia is the safer option by a country mile




what of gareth bale?



see you next season.



liverpool were shyte
besides, di maria came on and provided the assist for what turned out to be the winner.

afrodoc2:
I mentioned bale.
bring back nani, buy depay, buy bale offload di maria to PSG.

afrodoc2:
I mentioned bale.
bring back nani, buy depay, buy bale offload di maria to PSG.

coogar:
rooney - 12 goals, 2473 mins
1 goal in every 206 mins.

RVP - 10 goals, 1993 mins
1 goal in every 199 mins.

coogar:
all we keep hearing is rooney had a spell in the midfield. the same midfield that has herrera scoring 5 goals in 13 starts. smalling has scored 1/3 of rooney's goals as a centre back. what other excuses do rooney fans need to admit he's not a world class striker?

coogar:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/2305966_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188
rooney has scored only 4 goals in 11 league games as a centre forward & yet elampawa has the nerve to compare him to costa & aguero.
my belle o, my head o!
no, he wouldn't.
he lacks the tact & the technique of players like aguero, costa or even harry kane. rooney is a plodder!
rooney's min/goal is even worse than van persie that many fans don't want back in the team. we need a world class striker - another season has gone & rooney has posted mediocre attacking stats yet again.

coogar:
rooney - 12 goals, 2473 mins
1 goal in every 206 mins.

RVP - 10 goals, 1993 mins
1 goal in every 199 mins.

coogar:
all we keep hearing is rooney had a spell in the midfield. the same midfield that has herrera scoring 5 goals in 13 starts. smalling has scored 1/3 of rooney's goals as a centre back. what other excuses do rooney fans need to admit he's not a world class striker?

coogar:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/2305966_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188
rooney has scored only 4 goals in 11 league games as a centre forward & yet elampawa has the nerve to compare him to costa & aguero.
my belle o, my head o!
no, he wouldn't.
he lacks the tact & the technique of players like aguero, costa or even harry kane. rooney is a plodder!
rooney's min/goal is even worse than van persie that many fans don't want back in the team. we need a world class striker - another season has gone & rooney has posted mediocre attacking stats yet again.

Are you counting those matches we played before the transfer window was closed? When the team didnt know its left from its right?


Meanwhile, Rooney has 6 goals as a centre forward. Then he has scored every time he played the number 10.
Swansea 1 goal
QPR- 1 goal
Sunderland 2 goals
Spurs 1 goal
Villa 1 goal.






Ayagayagayagayo hei ayagayagayagayo

coogar:
https://www.nairaland.com/871307/official-manchester-united-fan-thread/1184#27730166


elampawa should bow his head in shame for doubting fellaini's ability.