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Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by Nobody: 3:41pm On Apr 28, 2015
eshbeewanna:
You begin to see all the agents of Satan shivering!
My brother is it not because the statement Allahu Akbar is associated with Islamic terrorism?
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by smallrincowis16(op): 3:53pm On Apr 28, 2015
[quote author=eshbeewanna post=33199685][/quote]can you check this bible verse in your bible?
lolsssss
matthew 10:34-35 jesus said "Do not think that i have come to bring peace on earth; i have not come to bring peace but sword. 35 for i have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by eshbeewanna: 5:12pm On Apr 28, 2015
Papist:
You must have pulled these figures out of your a@#. The Spanish Inquisition in 300 years killed less people than Islamic terrorists kill in one year. I wont bother with the rest of your post.
Thankgod you have admitted that christians are culpable too.
You knew you can't stand the truths let alone defending yourself thats why you couldn't summon courage to read all the post.Truth is better!
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by eshbeewanna: 7:39pm On Apr 28, 2015
Papist:
My brother is it not because the statement Allahu Akbar is associated with Islamic terrorism?
If the phrase GOD IS GREAT means Terrorism then you have gone a long way to confirm that it terrifies all the AGENT of DEVIL because you are already terrified by it.
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by shidof(m): 8:12pm On Apr 28, 2015
Papist:
The great library of Alexandria was a Christian library which was destroyed by the muslims when they were invading Egypt.
U must be kidding me, Muslim invading Egypt and destroy Alexandria library. go and re chk ur history Bro
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by eshbeewanna:
[quote author=BERNIMOORE post=33153432]Get your facts right, Many christians do not believe in trinity but you were not patient to ask but rather you generalise!

from my own findings;

#The word TRINITY was never found in the bible but scholars tried to insinuate such but i dont accept anything outside bible just the way i would not accept anything outside quaran
#jesus attest to the fact that he is a servant of God, and God is the 'Only true God' three persons CANNOT be reffered as 'only'
john 17:3 .......'And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent'.


Thus, the Church teaches that while there is only One God, yet there are Three who are God—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—perfectly united and never divided yet not merged into one with no proper distinction. How then does the Church defend its doctrine that God is both One and yet Three?

Bible Verses Supporting Trinity

John 10:30 - I and [my] Father are one.

Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1 Corinthians 8:6 - But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

2 Corinthians 13:14 - The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, [be] with you all. Amen. ([The second [epistle] to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, [a city] of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.])

Matthew 3:16-17 - And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:   (Read More...)

John 14:26 - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 John 5:7-8 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.   (Read More...)

John 14:16-17 - And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;   (Read More...)

Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Philippians 2:5-8 - Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:   (Read More...)

Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

John 1:1-51 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.   (Read More...)

1 Peter 1:2 - Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Ephesians 4:4-6 - [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;   (Read More...)

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 - Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, [is] God;   (Read More...)

John 10:30-36 - I and [my] Father are one.   (Read More...)

Genesis 3:22 - And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Bible Verses Against Trinity

we list 16 scriptures that prove that Jesus was not God and that the Holy spirit was not Jesus and not God...

Buster1

 32 For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him, but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come (Matthew 12).

So the holy spirit and the Son are not co-equal and are different beings.

Buster2

15 He said to them: You, though, who do you say I am?
16 In answer Simon Peter said: You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 In response Jesus said to him: Happy you are, Simon, son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal [it] to you, but my Father who is in the heavens did (Matthew 16).

So God revealed it not Jesus, so they are two different spirits.

Buster3

23 He said to them: You will indeed drink my cup, but this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father (Matthew 20).

So God and Jesus have separate possessions.

Buster4

18 Jesus said to him: Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God (Mark 10).

So God is good and Jesus is not, so they are different people with different characters and different levels of righteousness.

Buster5

36 Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father (Matthew 24).

So God knows things that Jesus does not know. So they have no 'unity of Godhead'.

Buster6

1 Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God. Exercise faith also in me (John 14).

Two different beings to put your faith in.

Buster7

28 You heard that I said to you, I am going away and I am coming [back] to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am (John 14).

So the two of them are not co-equal then.

Buster8

42 saying: Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let not my will, but yours take place (Luke 22).

So God and Jesus have two different wills. So there is no 'unity of Godhead'.

Buster9

41 Therefore they took the stone away. Now Jesus raised his eyes heavenward and said: Father, I thank you that you have heard me.
42 True, I knew that you always hear me; but on account of the crowd standing around I spoke, in order that they might believe that you sent me forth (John 11).

So God sent Jesus forth, and God himself remained entirely in heaven whilst Jesus was on the earth.

Buster10

9 You must pray, then, this way: Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified (Matthew 6).

Jesus himself was entirely on earth and God was entirely in heaven when he said this!

Buster11 (we were enjoying ourselves so much)!

46 About the 9th hour Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? (Matthew 27).

One cannot easily forsake oneself can one! The Father was God of the son. The son was not God of the father. This was one of Sir Isaac Newton's anti trinity arguments.

As a final argument, if it is true that Jesus and God are the same person, then Jesus talked to himself in public, and prayed to himself in private and so was in fact a schizophrenic. This is plainly a false insult both to God and to his Son.

Buster12 (and another thing...)

16 The one alone having immortality [aqanasian], dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no one of men has seen, nor is able to see (1 Timothy 6).

Literally aqanasian means 'without death'. So God has not died and will never die. Whereas of course Jesus has died. Therefore Jesus is not God - QED.

Buster13 (why stop?)

5 So too the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but [was glorified by him] who spoke with reference to him: You are my son; I, today, I have become your father.
6 Just as he says also in another place: You are a priest forever according to the manner of Melchizedek.
7 In the days of his flesh [Christ] offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.
8 Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered;
9 and after he had been made perfect he became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those obeying him,
10 because he has been specifically called by God a high priest according to the manner of Melchizedek (Hebrews 5)

One cannot be a priest of oneself. Jesus must be a different person to God in order that he can be God's priest. Just as Melchizedek was a different person to God. God became Jesus' father again by saving him out of death, by resurrecting him.

Buster14

23 But each one in his own rank: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence.
24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power (1 Corinthians15).

How do you hand over something to yourself?
Buster 15

10 I was cast on You from the womb, from My mother's belly, You are My God (Psalm 22 - GLT)

David is speaking as Jesus here (hence JP Green uses a capital Y for 'you'. Jesus doesh not say: I am my God. He says: You are my God.
My GOD which one we go belive na? Hmmhmn!
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by eshbeewanna: 11:05pm On Apr 28, 2015
shidof:
Lolzz! it's either ua kid or short-sighted, Wat has Islam given to d world or wat d hell did u asked. Ve u hrd abt d contributions of Islam to d world of medicine, mathematics , civilization ,industrialization and even education. Google abt d Egyptian civilization, Alexandria d grt and maybe d first and d oldest university in d whole world. With ol d thrashes u wrote above without any evidence to back it up. I cn concluded dt u've been highly brainwashed, nxt tym if Somone tell u something try to carry out ur own research b4 u'll be displaying ur stupidity outside.
Let us do a brief review of the contribution of Islam to civilization as we know it.

Trigonometry, Sine, Tangent, Co-Tangent

The Arabs developed these functions in trigonometry and Ibn Moosaa's work Hisaab-Al Jab-Wal Muqaabala (The Calculation of Integration and Equation) presented 800 examples in the 8th century CE. His work was translated from Arabic into Latin and until the 16th century CE, it was Europe's main textbook on the subject. 

Algebra and Geometry

Muhammad bin Moosaa Al-Khawaarizmi is considered to be one of the founders of Algebra. The word ‘Algorithm’ or 'Algorizm' is a corruption of his name or the name of the town Khwaarizm (Kheva), in what is now Uzbekistan, where he was born. He adopted the use of ‘cipher’ (zero), that was devised in India some centuries earlier, a numeral of fundamental importance, leading up to the so-called arithmetic of positions and the decimal system. The very word ‘zero’ is a derivative of the Arabic ‘sifr’ or ‘cipher’. His pioneering work on the system of numerals is well known as "Algorithm," or "Algorizm." In addition to introducing the Arabic numerals, he developed several arithmetical procedures, including operations on fractions.

Another great mathematician was Omar Khayyaam, who offered to the world geometric and algebraic solutions of the second degree. Naseeruddeen wrote the treatise on quadrilateral trigonometry, as well as plain and spherical geometry.

Physics and Chemistry

Kamaaluddeen examined the refraction of sunlight in raindrops and offered an explanation of the genesis of primary and secondary rainbows. The story of the invention of the pendulum and the presentation of a water clock to Emperor Charlemagne by Haaroon Ar-Rasheed is well known.

The great historian Gibbons wrote in his Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (Volume 5) that the science of chemistry owes its origin and improvements to the Muslims.

Science of Mechanics

The development of the science of mechanics in Islam is an act of genius. Moosaa bin Shaakir described one hundred pieces of mechanical equipment in his book of artifices. Other outstanding Muslim treatises included Al Kitaab Fi Ma`rifat Al-Hiya Al-Handasiyyah (The Book of the Knowledge of Ingenious Geometrical Contrivances) by Abul Fiaz bin Al Raz and Al Kitaab Meezanal-Hikmah (The Book of Balance and Wisdom) by Al-Khazini. He also did work on accurate weighing, and determination of the specific gravity of substances.

Camera Obscura

In the field of optics, Camera Obscura was invented by Ibn Haytham in 1038 CE.

Theory of Relativity

Qaadhi Abu Bakr had developed the theory of relativity in the 8th century CE in terms of time and space by means of mathematical equations and astrophysics. Imagine, Einstein was not even born in the Western world, who propounded the same theory of relativity much later in the 20th century CE.

Geography

As far as geography was concerned, Muslim scientists established that the world was round in the 9th century CE, and the first map of the globe was made during the Caliphate of Ma’moon.

Paper Making

This was one of the earliest skills attained by the Muslims. As early as the 8th century CE, high quality paper was being manufactured in Samarqand. Egypt was known to have its first paper mill in the year 900 CE. The earliest Arabic manuscript written on paper that has been discovered is the Ghareeb Al Hadeeth by Abu ‘Ubayed, dated 837 CE. It can be seen in Holland preserved in the library at the University of Leyden.

Advances in Industry

Under Islamic rule, Spain was an industrial center. It was one of the wealthiest and most thickly populated of the European countries. Muslims were leading in weaving wool, producing silk, pottery, jewelry, leather and perfume industry. In the Middle Ages, world trade was commanded by Muslims and Baghdad Bukhaara and Samarqand remained centers for world fairs until the 16th century CE. The Bayt Al-Hikmah at Cairo contained two million books, the library at Tripoli contained some three million, but this library was burned down by the Christians during the first Crusade.
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by Nobody: 6:18am On Apr 29, 2015
shidof:
U must be kidding me, Muslim invading Egypt and destroy Alexandria library. go and re chk ur history Bro
Well Arabic sources say it was destroyed on the orders of Caliph Omar.
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by Nobody: 6:23am On Apr 29, 2015
eshbeewanna:
Thankgod you have admitted that christians are culpable too.
You knew you can't stand the truths let alone defending yourself thats why you couldn't summon courage to read all the post.Truth is better!
Yes Christians also did many wrong things but your 3 million killed by the Spanish inquisition is a lie because the records of the Inquisition Tribunal are still there. Less than 4000 people were killed in more than 300 years. It was still wrong though. I did not go through the rest of your post because this one lie made me believe you were presenting revisionist history.
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by eshbeewanna: 7:54am On Apr 29, 2015
Papist:
Yes Christians also did many wrong things but your 3 million killed by the Spanish inquisition is a lie because the records of the Inquisition Tribunal are still there. Less than 4000 people were killed in more than 300 years. It was still wrong though. I did not go through the rest of your post because this one lie made me believe you were presenting revisionist history.
I want to salute your courage. For admitting that Christians have their own dark side too.But the point is that your people always make it to look as if is only Muslems that are bad in quote.That's why have been saying that if you are living in a glass house you don't throw stones.I don't blame Christians because majority of you don't know these facts.In respect to the figure I quoted it could be over exagerated on the part of the Author but the truth is 4000 human human death is tantamount to Genocide which is a serious Crime against Humanity.God Bless
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by eshbeewanna: 8:04am On Apr 29, 2015
shidof:
U must be kidding me, Muslim invading Egypt and destroy Alexandria library. go and re chk ur history Bro
Encyclopedia Britanica says that the Alexandrian Library had, in fact, been destroyed much earlier, in the fourth century A.D, long before the advent of Islam: "The library survived the disintegration of Alexander’s empire (first century BC) and continued to exist under Roman rule until the third century AD."3 The truth is that one half of this library was burnt by Julius Caesar in 47 BC. In the third century, Alexandria came under the domination of Christians. At another place the same work states that, "The main museum and library were destroyed during the civil war of the third century AD and a subsidiary library was burned by Christians in AD 391."4

Phillip K Hitti states that the story "is one of those tales that make good fiction but bad history." He goes on, "the great Ptolemic library was burnt as early as 48 BC by Julius Ceasar. A later one, referred to as the daughter library, was destroyed about AD 389 as a result of an edict by the Emperor Theodosius. At the time of the Arab conquest, therefore, no library of importance existed in Alexandria and no contemporary writer ever brought the charge about Amr or Umar.
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by eshbeewanna: 8:09am On Apr 29, 2015
Papist:
Well Arabic sources say it was destroyed on the orders of Caliph Omar.
Asalam Alaikum!

Encyclopedia Britanica says that the Alexandrian Library had, in fact, been destroyed much earlier, in the fourth century A.D, long before the advent of Islam: "The library survived the disintegration of Alexander’s empire (first century BC) and continued to exist under Roman rule until the third century AD."3 The truth is that one half of this library was burnt by Julius Caesar in 47 BC. In the third century, Alexandria came under the domination of Christians. At another place the same work states that, "The main museum and library were destroyed during the civil war of the third century AD and a subsidiary library was burned by Christians in AD 391."4

Phillip K Hitti states that the story "is one of those tales that make good fiction but bad history." He goes on, "the great Ptolemic library was burnt as early as 48 BC by Julius Ceasar. A later one, referred to as the daughter library, was destroyed about AD 389 as a result of an edict by the Emperor Theodosius. At the time of the Arab conquest, therefore, no library of importance existed in Alexandria and no contemporary writer ever brought the charge about Amr or Umar.
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by shidof(m): 8:11am On Apr 29, 2015
eshbeewanna:
Encyclopedia Britanica says that the Alexandrian Library had, in fact, been destroyed much earlier, in the fourth century A.D, long before the advent of Islam: "The library survived the disintegration of Alexander’s empire (first century BC) and continued to exist under Roman rule until the third century AD."3 The truth is that one half of this library was burnt by Julius Caesar in 47 BC. In the third century, Alexandria came under the domination of Christians. At another place the same work states that, "The main museum and library were destroyed during the civil war of the third century AD and a subsidiary library was burned by Christians in AD 391."4

Phillip K Hitti states that the story "is one of those tales that make good fiction but bad history." He goes on, "the great Ptolemic library was burnt as early as 48 BC by Julius Ceasar. A later one, referred to as the daughter library, was destroyed about AD 389 as a result of an edict by the Emperor Theodosius. At the time of the Arab conquest, therefore, no library of importance existed in Alexandria and no contemporary writer ever brought the charge about Amr or Umar.
Thks for d detailed explanation
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by BERNIMOORE: 1:00pm On Apr 29, 2015
eshbeewanna post [color=#000099:
Bible Verses Supporting Trinity

John 10:30 - I and [my] Father are one.

Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1 Corinthians 8:6 - But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him[/color]. =33215282]
let me start by treating the first three bible verses, and you will see that the answer is within same chapters and not far fetched,bible answers itself;

It depends on what you want to believe! i repeat Again, the word TRINITY does not exist in the bible and while adressing my post take that into consideration, i am fully responsible for my defence ok. now lets start with these verses you wrongly claimed support trinity

1)
John 10:30 - I and [my] Father are one.
answer;

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+17%3A21-22&version=NKJV

John 17:21-22New King James Version (NKJV)

21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:

note;
christ believers are also part of the same union of (1)Father,(2)son and (3)Holy spirit and (4)believers.......can that be a trinity? NO because the same greek word used for 'one' in John 10:30 was the same used in John 17:21-22, so jesus did not mean that he and his father are one entity but one in purpose with belivers in christ

2) 1 Corinthians 8:6 - But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him
Answer;

you will get the answer in king james bible version of same 1 Corinthians 8:6, just the way we have translations in quaran like Sahih International, Muhsin Khan, Pickthall,Yusuf Ali and Shakir

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians+8%3A6&version=NKJV

1 Corinthians 8:6New King James Version (NKJV)

6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, [size=14pt]through whom[/size] are all things, and [size=14pt]through whom[/size] we live.


Through jesus, God made things, through appointment as his servant! like a secretary writes letter for an MD of a company, the secretary cannot claim the content, because through him the letter was written

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=Hebrews+&qs_version=NKJV
Hebrews 5:1
God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds

free explanations like this are not encourage outside the muslim religion because they believe knowledge is limited to some people instead of admiting their mistakes and allow peace
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by Rilwayne001: 9:42pm On Apr 29, 2015
BERNIMOORE:
let me start by treating the first three bible verses, and you will see that the answer is within same chapters and not far fetched,bible answers itself;

It depends on what you want to believe! i repeat Again, the word TRINITY does not exist in the bible and while adressing my post take that into consideration, i am fully responsible for my defence ok. now lets start with these verses you wrongly claimed support trinity

1)

answer;

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+17%3A21-22&version=NKJV

John 17:21-22New King James Version (NKJV)

21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:

note;
christ believers are also part of the same union of (1)Father,(2)son and (3)Holy spirit and (4)believers.......can that be a trinity? NO because the same greek word used for 'one' in John 10:30 was the same used in John 17:21-22, so jesus did not mean that he and his father are one entity but one in purpose with belivers in christ




Answer;

you will get the answer in king james bible version of same 1 Corinthians 8:6, just the way we have translations in quaran like Sahih International, Muhsin Khan, Pickthall,Yusuf Ali and Shakir

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians+8%3A6&version=NKJV

1 Corinthians 8:6New King James Version (NKJV)

6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, [size=14pt]through whom[/size] are all things, and [size=14pt]through whom[/size] we live.


Through jesus, God made things, through appointment as his servant! like a secretary writes letter for an MD of a company, the secretary cannot claim the content, because through him the letter was written
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=Hebrews+&qs_version=NKJV
Hebrews 5:1
God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds
"free explanations like this are not encourage outside the muslim religion because they believe knowledge is limited to some people instead of admiting their mistakes and allow peace
Can you explain the above to your fellow xtian brother Emusan,. I believe he needs explanation such has the above, he is a TRINITARIAN.

Can you do that for him please?
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by Johnjnr(m): 10:57pm On Apr 29, 2015
jesus did not come to abolish the law but fulfill them as he did on the cross. instead of does sinners been put to death he died for them and washed away there sin...

behold the lamb that taketh away the sin of the world.
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by Nobody: 6:40am On Apr 30, 2015
eshbeewanna:
Asalam Alaikum!

Encyclopedia Britanica says that the Alexandrian Library had, in fact, been destroyed much earlier, in the fourth century A.D, long before the advent of Islam: "The library survived the disintegration of Alexander’s empire (first century BC) and continued to exist under Roman rule until the third century AD."3 The truth is that one half of this library was burnt by Julius Caesar in 47 BC. In the third century, Alexandria came under the domination of Christians. At another place the same work states that, "The main museum and library were destroyed during the civil war of the third century AD and a subsidiary library was burned by Christians in AD 391."4

Phillip K Hitti states that the story "is one of those tales that make good fiction but bad history." He goes on, "the great Ptolemic library was burnt as early as 48 BC by Julius Ceasar. A later one, referred to as the daughter library, was destroyed about AD 389 as a result of an edict by the Emperor Theodosius. At the time of the Arab conquest, therefore, no library of importance existed in Alexandria and no contemporary writer ever brought the charge about Amr or Umar.
Ok so the Caliph Umar charge could be a legend/myth. Peace.
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by queebeediva(f): 6:53am On Apr 30, 2015
If you so no the bible as you claimed then you will see that both the koran and the bible are 90pecent similar so shut the Bleep and consentrate on how to Love one another . Religion superiority is killing us and we feel we no God more than anyone else and yet blasmphere other religion . Go into proper reaserch and don't be quick to judge others but be paitent to read and understand before you come out and start feeling you are God secetary.
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by shidof(m): 7:38am On Apr 30, 2015
eshbeewanna:
Let us do a brief review of the contribution of Islam to civilization as we know it.

Trigonometry, Sine, Tangent, Co-Tangent

The Arabs developed these functions in trigonometry and Ibn Moosaa's work Hisaab-Al Jab-Wal Muqaabala (The Calculation of Integration and Equation) presented 800 examples in the 8th century CE. His work was translated from Arabic into Latin and until the 16th century CE, it was Europe's main textbook on the subject. 

Algebra and Geometry

Muhammad bin Moosaa Al-Khawaarizmi is considered to be one of the founders of Algebra. The word ‘Algorithm’ or 'Algorizm' is a corruption of his name or the name of the town Khwaarizm (Kheva), in what is now Uzbekistan, where he was born. He adopted the use of ‘cipher’ (zero), that was devised in India some centuries earlier, a numeral of fundamental importance, leading up to the so-called arithmetic of positions and the decimal system. The very word ‘zero’ is a derivative of the Arabic ‘sifr’ or ‘cipher’. His pioneering work on the system of numerals is well known as "Algorithm," or "Algorizm." In addition to introducing the Arabic numerals, he developed several arithmetical procedures, including operations on fractions.

Another great mathematician was Omar Khayyaam, who offered to the world geometric and algebraic solutions of the second degree. Naseeruddeen wrote the treatise on quadrilateral trigonometry, as well as plain and spherical geometry.

Physics and Chemistry

Kamaaluddeen examined the refraction of sunlight in raindrops and offered an explanation of the genesis of primary and secondary rainbows. The story of the invention of the pendulum and the presentation of a water clock to Emperor Charlemagne by Haaroon Ar-Rasheed is well known.

The great historian Gibbons wrote in his Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (Volume 5) that the science of chemistry owes its origin and improvements to the Muslims.

Science of Mechanics

The development of the science of mechanics in Islam is an act of genius. Moosaa bin Shaakir described one hundred pieces of mechanical equipment in his book of artifices. Other outstanding Muslim treatises included Al Kitaab Fi Ma`rifat Al-Hiya Al-Handasiyyah (The Book of the Knowledge of Ingenious Geometrical Contrivances) by Abul Fiaz bin Al Raz and Al Kitaab Meezanal-Hikmah (The Book of Balance and Wisdom) by Al-Khazini. He also did work on accurate weighing, and determination of the specific gravity of substances.

Camera Obscura

In the field of optics, Camera Obscura was invented by Ibn Haytham in 1038 CE.

Theory of Relativity

Qaadhi Abu Bakr had developed the theory of relativity in the 8th century CE in terms of time and space by means of mathematical equations and astrophysics. Imagine, Einstein was not even born in the Western world, who propounded the same theory of relativity much later in the 20th century CE.

Geography

As far as geography was concerned, Muslim scientists established that the world was round in the 9th century CE, and the first map of the globe was made during the Caliphate of Ma’moon.

Paper Making

This was one of the earliest skills attained by the Muslims. As early as the 8th century CE, high quality paper was being manufactured in Samarqand. Egypt was known to have its first paper mill in the year 900 CE. The earliest Arabic manuscript written on paper that has been discovered is the Ghareeb Al Hadeeth by Abu ‘Ubayed, dated 837 CE. It can be seen in Holland preserved in the library at the University of Leyden.

Advances in Industry

Under Islamic rule, Spain was an industrial center. It was one of the wealthiest and most thickly populated of the European countries. Muslims were leading in weaving wool, producing silk, pottery, jewelry, leather and perfume industry. In the Middle Ages, world trade was commanded by Muslims and Baghdad Bukhaara and Samarqand remained centers for world fairs until the 16th century CE. The Bayt Al-Hikmah at Cairo contained two million books, the library at Tripoli contained some three million, but this library was burned down by the Christians during the first Crusade.
Jazakallah khayran, my rily enjoying and fllg u with ol my heart. Also, in the field of medicine, the first surgery, hw to restructure breaking bone and d embalming of dead body was firstly carried out by Muslims in olden day Egypt.
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by eshbeewanna: 8:13am On Apr 30, 2015
[quote author=BERNIMOORE post=33233390]It depends on what you want to believe! i repeat Again, the word TRINITY does not exist in the bible and while adressing my post take that into consideration, i am fully responsible for my defence ok. now lets start with these verses you wrongly claimed support trinity


Bernimoore I realy want to commend you on your effort to make it known that the Doctrine of Trinity was is not in the Bible and therefore Jesus never taught it.
Also let me bring it to your notice that I did not Wrongly Claim the Bible support the Trinity we Muslems share the same belief that Jesus was not Signatory to the Doctrine of Trinity and in fact Islam strongly oppose it.But the fact remains that the Doctrine was Sanctioned by many Christian Authourities.Those Bible verses that I gave you where the one those Christians theologians belief to support Trinity in the Bible.

The Doctrine of the Trinity in history

The doctrine of the trinity was first thoroughly and formally articulated in the fourth century in response to perceived distortions of biblical teaching on the subject, but the fundamental beliefs of the doctrine can be seen from the first century. And while no systematic presentation of the doctrine can be found in the New Testament, Christians argue that it can be shown that the Bible teaches that the Father is God, the Son, Jesus Christ, is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, all the while affirming that there is but one God.

Hints of Trinitarian beliefs can also be seen in the teachings of extra-biblical writers as early as the end of the first century. 2 However, the fullest early expression of the concept came with Tertullian, a Latin theologian who wrote in the early third century. Tertullian coined the words "Trinity" and "person" and explained that the the Bible taught that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were "one in essence - not one in Person." 3

About a century later, in 325, the Council of Nicea set out to officially define the relationship of the Son to the Father, in response to the controversial teachings of Arius. Led by bishop Athanasius, the council affirmed the doctrine of the Trinity as orthodoxy and condemned Arius' teaching that Christ was the first creation of God. The creed adopted by the council described Christ as "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance (homoousios) with the Father."

Bernimoore your personal belief against the Trinity is not different from what the Muslems believe therefore you have Confirmed what the Quran says


"Oh People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion, nor say of God anything but the truth. Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, was (no more than) a messenger of God, and His Word which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him. So believe in God and His messengers. Say not, 'Trinity.' Desist! It will be better for you, for God is One God, Glory be to Him! (Far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs" (4:171).

a Humble Servant of God

"And behold! God will say [i.e. on the Day of Judgment]: 'Oh Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would indeed have known it. You know what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Yours. For You know in full all that is hidden. Never did I say to them anything except what You commanded me to say: 'Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I lived among them. When You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a witness to all things'" (5:116-117).
I realy appreciate your courage.
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by eshbeewanna: 9:03am On Apr 30, 2015
queebeediva:
If you so no the bible as you claimed then you will see that both the koran and the bible are 90pecent similar so shut the Bleep and consentrate on how to Love one another . Religion superiority is killing us and we feel we no God more than anyone else and yet blasmphere other religion . Go into proper reaserch and don't be quick to judge others but be paitent to read and understand before you come out and start feeling you are God secetary.
my brother two wrongs don't make a right.Please try and show some decency too because you dont use Vulger Language if you want to correct people.However you spoke the Truth.

           .
Many Qur'anic teachings have emphasized dealings with non-Muslims with justice and respect, especially those who live in peace with the Muslims and do not raise enmity against them.
 
"Allah does not forbid you concerning those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes from being righteous towards them and acting justly towards them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly."  (The Qur'an 60:cool
 
"And they give food in spite of their love for it to the poor, the orphan, and the captive, [Saying]: We feed you only for the acceptance of Allah. We wish neither from you reward nor gratitude."  (The Qur'an 76: 8,9)
 
            Although Muslims might disagree with other ideological systems and religious dogmas, it should not prevent them from demonstrating the correct manner of discussion and interaction with non-Muslims:
 
"And do not argue with the People of the Scripture (Christians and Jews) except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say we believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." (The Qur'an 29: 46)
 
            In this context, it seems appropriate to raise the question: Is tolerance of other religions as preached by Islam a matter left to the Muslims to decide about? As a matter of fact, tolerance in Islam has ideological basis in the Qur'an and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad, and it is not subject to any human interference. Therefore, it is a constant Islamic principle that does not change over time or place. According to the Qur'an, every human being is to be honored as Allah has honored him/her:
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by BERNIMOORE: 9:04am On Apr 30, 2015
eshbeewanna

Bernimoore I realy want to commend you on your effort to make it known that the Doctrine of Trinity was is not in the Bible and therefore Jesus never taught it.
Also let me bring it to your notice that I did not Wrongly Claim the Bible support the Trinity we Muslems share the same belief that Jesus was not Signatory to the Doctrine of Trinity and in fact Islam strongly oppose it.But the fact remains that the Doctrine was Sanctioned by many Christian Authourities.Those Bible verses that I gave you where the one those Christians theologians belief to support Trinity in the Bible.
you are welcome! i also want to commend you too for your openness, even though both religion have been guilty of war crimes i believe that Moslems and christians can live together peacefully if we chose to follow the good teachings in both scriptures and most importantly, fear God and love Our neigbours.
thanks
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by smallrincowis16(op): 10:59am On Apr 30, 2015
BERNIMOORE:
na fear dey catch you abeg, quote anything and i would deal with it squarely!

shying away when met with facts grin grin grin anyway the point has been made, we can continue from here, you did not debunk my facts because i am not a muslim, i dont need to be, and will never be but let muslims mind their business and let others live, quaran too should leave christians because bible did not condemn muslims, what can you call these if not invitation to fight; this is not a fake site http://quran.com/9/30 quaran directly caling christians to be destroyed



tell us the reason SABAB; or Sabaabi(in yoruba) for the verse above in quaran
this has nothing to do with invitation for war.
this has been revealed long ago because of those people then, they knew the truth but didn't followed it.
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by queebeediva(f): 11:54am On Apr 30, 2015
eshbeewanna:
my brother two wrongs don't make a right.Please try and show some decency too because you dont use Vulger Language if you want to correct people.However you spoke the Truth.

           .
Many Qur'anic teachings have emphasized dealings with non-Muslims with justice and respect, especially those who live in peace with the Muslims and do not raise enmity against them.
 
"Allah does not forbid you concerning those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes from being righteous towards them and acting justly towards them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly."  (The Qur'an 60:cool
 
"And they give food in spite of their love for it to the poor, the orphan, and the captive, [Saying]: We feed you only for the acceptance of Allah. We wish neither from you reward nor gratitude."  (The Qur'an 76: 8,9)
 
            Although Muslims might disagree with other ideological systems and religious dogmas, it should not prevent them from demonstrating the correct manner of discussion and interaction with non-Muslims:
 
"And do not argue with the People of the Scripture (Christians and Jews) except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say we believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." (The Qur'an 29: 46)
 
            In this context, it seems appropriate to raise the question: Is tolerance of other religions as preached by Islam a matter left to the Muslims to decide about? As a matter of fact, tolerance in Islam has ideological basis in the Qur'an and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad, and it is not subject to any human interference. Therefore, it is a constant Islamic principle that does not change over time or place. According to the Qur'an, every human being is to be honored as Allah has honored him/her:
I just hate religion phanatics and it so annyoing seeing people gainging ground of rightouseness when actually they are dirty when it comes to practical . Muslim and christain keep on fighting eachother for blind reasons and yet one will open his or her mouth to condem . Abeg some so call pegan are far promising than does who think they no God but found worse off.
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by eshbeewanna: 6:18pm On Apr 30, 2015
queebeediva:
I just hate religion phanatics and it so annyoing seeing people gainging ground of rightouseness when actually they are dirty when it comes to practical . Muslim and christain keep on fighting eachother for blind reasons and yet one will open his or her mouth to condem . Abeg some so call pegan are far promising than does who think they no God but found worse off.
Again you are right but the truth is that one should learn to control one's temprament and tongue when one sees what is not pleasing to him.Our beloved Prophet of God Peace be on him said :

The feeling one has toward something or someone that hurts, opposes, offends, or annoys, strong displeasure.
(Example: In a moment of anger I hit my brother.)
Islamic definition: It is a destructive fire!
Prophetic hadith: “Anger is a burning coal ...” [3]
- Anger is a secret weapon of man towards of evils, but sometimes
it results in the destruction of many noble qualities.
- It snatches away the wisdom of man and thus
he becomes a brute beast devoid of any sense.
- Anger is a temptation and deception of Shaitân (Devil).[2]
- Anger is the root of all evils.
- Anger is a very bad condition that weakens the person's Imân (faith). [2]

Imam Mawlûd calls it a "swelling ocean," that is he compares it to "a swelling mass of emotion that is difficult to hold back once it is unleashed."[4]


The Messenger of Allah, Prophet Muhammad said:

"Whoever curbs his anger, while being able to act, Allah will fill his heart with certainty of faith."
Therefore the consequence for whoever does not curb his anger is that he or she will sooner or later feel its evil consequences.
Anger is a destructive emotion, as a fire which destroys our well-being, consumes our good actions, repels our friends and dear ones, frightens our children and forces the angels to report bad actions for the Heavenly Records. This is a dangerous rough road and no-one is devoid of it and it brings one close to the wrath of Allah;
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by eshbeewanna: 6:37pm On Apr 30, 2015
Papist:
Ok so the Caliph Umar charge could be a legend/myth. Peace.
Its actually a myth because if the Caliph Umar was responsible for the destuction of the Alexandra Library a serious charges would have been brought-up against him because the Eguptian Society was already an enlightened one back then.SALAAM(SHALOM)PEACE!
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by Nobody: 11:06am On May 03, 2015
asadike:
thk u my brother, tell them. How can we even compare the two religion? How do we compare light with darkness. Who doesn't know that wayo man mohammed, what atroocities did we not see in him. Rape? He is there, incest nko? He be baba. What of murder? He gat award there. Demon worshipping? Mohammed took d first position. Look at d kind of thread that seun placed on front page? If not for christian missionaries, will these internet Muslims have d opportunity to go to schools and hospitals? Even d demon allah is far below christ. Almost all d good things we enjoy today comes from christianity. What has Islam given to d world? Imagine the world without christ, then imagine d world without allaha, and tell me your findings.
Idi.of

The western education you have today was because of Islam. If not for Islam, people like you would still be eating one another.
Re: I Wonder If These Are Found In Quran by Emusan(m): 8:23am On May 04, 2015
Rilwayne001:
Can you explain the above to your fellow xtian brother Emusan,. I believe he needs explanation such has the above, he is a TRINITARIAN.

Can you do that for him please?
Why must you involve me?

When last did I discuss on Islamic thread?

Beside am I the only TRINITARIAN on this forum?
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