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theAtheist101:
Sincerely where are these places? My religious friends all have different opinions about their location(s).

Heaven exists outside the dimensions of both space and time. Asking where heaven exists is a little like asking where the center of the universe is. In fact, the universe doesn't have a center, since everything is moving away from every other thing. The Bible indicates that heaven does not exist in this universe, but is God's abode. In fact, the Bible indicates that even the highest heavens (of this universe) cannot contain God. Since we human beings are restricted to the space time dimensions of this universe, we can never go in a spaceship and find heaven, since it is not any place to which we can travel. However, there is a way to get there.
Isaiah say;
Isaiah 65:17
"See, I will create new heavens and a
new earth. The former things will not be
remembered, nor will they come to
mind.
And John the beloved confirmed it;

Revelation 21:1
Then I saw "a new heaven and a new
earth," for the first heaven and the first
earth had passed away, and there was
no longer any sea.

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MrPresident1:
OP, heaven and hell are conditions, conditions of human living. We all need to reverse engineer our brains from thinking that heaven is some farfetched eldorado up there in the skies.

Heaven and hell are the presence of God, and His absence respectively. Simply, God is far from the Blackman, this is why his case is pathetic, the present kingdom is the Whiteman's, this is why he is on top. But for everyone who truly seeks God, heaven is accessible.

Many times I am just saddened that at this stage of knowledge evolution, black people have simply refused to evolve.

Let my people GO! Teach my people knowledge, release them from the slavery of religion

PS. https://www.nairaland.com/2193130/heaven-hell
This should help, hopefully.

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malvisguy212:
Heaven exists outside the dimensions of both space and time. Asking where heaven exists is a little like asking where the center of the universe is. In fact, the universe doesn't have a center, since everything is moving away from every other thing. The Bible indicates that heaven does not exist in this universe, but is God's abode. In fact, the Bible indicates that even the highest heavens (of this universe) cannot contain God. Since we human beings are restricted to the space time dimensions of this universe, we can never go in a spaceship and find heaven, since it is not any place to which we can travel. However, there is a way to get there.
Isaiah say;
Isaiah 65:17
"See, I will create new heavens and a
new earth. The former things will not be
remembered, nor will they come to
mind.
And John the beloved confirmed it;

Revelation 21:1
Then I saw "a new heaven and a new
earth," for the first heaven and the first
earth had passed away, and there was
no longer any sea.

alright both of you should please tell us which is correct and which to take

johnydon22:
this one said

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alright both of you should please tell us which is correct and which to take

Eyes are of no use when the mind is blind.

"The road to hell is paved with good
intentions.” He thought for a moment,
then added: “And lit with electric lights"

malvisguy212:
Eyes are of no use when the mind is blind.

"The road to hell is paved with good
intentions.” He thought for a moment,
then added: “And lit with electric lights"

hahahahahahaha na so una confuse reach? . . . its just a simple question..
both of you are christians, so you guys should sort yourselves out thats what i asked for. . . reach a conclusion and tell us which is it..

MrPresident1:
There is a difference between Israeli and Israelite, you have to keep this in mind henceforth.
Are you aware that black people civilized the world? Surely you are aware that the white skin is recessive and the black skin (melanin) is dominant, meaning the black skin is the real deal. If white skin is recessive, it means that white is an offshoot of black; perhaps an aberration, like how mutations occur in nature. keep this in mind too. I hope you can now see, SCIENTIFICALLY, that black is superior!

Black people spread civilization to the world, you have to read about the conditions of Caucasians during the dark ages to understand this, a certain people called the MOORS civilized Europe. MOORS WERE BLACK, they brought the Caucasians out of the dark lonely caves of the Caucasus mountains and showed them civilization.

Mr. Negro atheist wannabe, you have to read and defrost your brain and stop parroting ignorance like a zombie. These facts are well documented in the Bible you ignorant wannabes atheists like fighting;

Isaiah 29:13-14
13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

The wisdom of the prudent men of the blackpeople has been hid, this is why they are clueless and seen as unintelligent.

And which people of the world are so religious yet so ungodly?

So I made you realise all these! That is a good job on my part. My comments are based on your nonsense first post, not the subsequent corrections you are making, due to my scolding.

No one is following anybody, but reasoning with enlightened people. No sane person would ignore a fact, because it was not proposed by his brother.

As I told you earlier, set your mind free!

malvisguy212:
Heaven exists outside the dimensions of both space and time. Asking where heaven exists is a little like asking where the center of the universe is. In fact, the universe doesn't have a center, since everything is moving away from every other thing. The Bible indicates that heaven does not exist in this universe, but is God's abode. In fact, the Bible indicates that even the highest heavens (of this universe) cannot contain God. Since we human beings are restricted to the space time dimensions of this universe, we can never go in a spaceship and find heaven, since it is not any place to which we can travel. However, there is a way to get there.
Isaiah say;
Isaiah 65:17
"See, I will create new heavens and a
new earth. The former things will not be
remembered, nor will they come to
mind.
And John the beloved confirmed it;

Revelation 21:1
Then I saw "a new heaven and a new
earth," for the first heaven and the first
earth had passed away, and there was
no longer any sea.

First, did the Bible telling you anything about Spacetime? So why are you using it?

So what do you call this dimension of yours? You can just make a statement without backing it up with prove. Without this we both be writing fallacies.

So you mean there are no heaven and Hell, since there is no centre for universe?

Prove other fallacies you have written!

It is a fact that the universe exist, so where is your "thing" that contains heaven and earth.

Lastly, I don't care about the Bible sayings, so stop quoting from it.

theAtheist101:
Then try to see it for us through spiritual means.

This can't be done except God wills it. You may also commit suicide and find out if they're real and their location.

theAtheist101:
So I made you realise all these! That is a good job on my part. My comments are based on your nonsense first post, not the subsequent corrections you are making, due to my scolding.

No one is following anybody, but reasoning with enlightened people. No sane person would ignore a fact, because it was not proposed by his brother.

As I told you earlier, set your mind free!

Lol. Funny you. This is all I have been preaching on NL since I joined the forum. I am no religious person. I am a man of science, and faith in God is scientific.

Self professed Negro wannabe atheists like you have lost perspective. Your rebellion is not against the God of the whole world, it is against the god of religion, and the god of religion is a very evil and terrible god. You need to keep perspective.

Your rebellion is against the god of religion, it is not against God. Don't lose focus.

theAtheist101:
First, did the Bible telling you anything about Spacetime? So why are you using it?

So what do you call this dimension of yours? You can just make a statement without backing it up with prove. Without this we both be writing fallacies.

So you mean there are no heaven and Hell, since there is no centre for universe?

Prove other fallacies you have written!

It is a fact that the universe exist, so where is your "thing" that contains heaven and earth.

Lastly, I don't care about the Bible sayings, so stop quoting from it.

yes the heaven we are talking about do not exist (at lest not now) ,God will create again on the 8 days. In fact 2 Peter 3:7 say;
7 But by His word the present heavens
and earth are being reserved for fire,
kept for the day of judgment and
destruction of ungodly men.

And God will create again;
Isaiah 65:17
"For behold, I CREATE NEW HEAVEN
and a new earth; And the former
things shall not be remembered or
come to mind.

The bible say God exist outside time;

This grace was given us in Christ Jesus
before the beginning of time (2 Timothy
1:9)

The Heaven it is above the Seventh sky and Under Allah throne
The Hell I don't know where is it

UyiIredia:
This can't be done except God wills it. You may also commit suicide and find out if they're real and their location.

Did you read what you wrote? God has to will your seeing him! Yet you gullibly follow him, when he evidently doesn't care about you. Maybe , you are not his child?

If for instance I commit suicide, the old man wouldn't be pleased to receive me, but you his son, he would be so pleased to see you. I can help you get there easily if you don't mind. I am that nice!

LightIndarkness:
The Heaven it is above the Seventh sky and Under Allah throne
The Hell I don't know where is it

Ask Allah to send you the picture of heaven. And as for hell, is that not very ignorant of you? You have not bothered to seek the location of the place your "enemies" would go. Please pray to Allah to give you this location.

MrPresident1:
Lol. Funny you. This is all I have been preaching on NL since I joined the forum. I am no religious person. I am a man of science, and faith in God is scientific.

Self professed Negro wannabe atheists like you have lost perspective. Your rebellion is not against the God of the whole world, it is against the god of religion, and the god of religion is a very evil and terrible god. You need to keep perspective.

Your rebellion is against the god of religion, it is not against God. Don't lose focus.

If you truly follow scientific principles, then you should never have faith in a creator that would watch his star explode. Or a god that failed to explain his own origin to his children or servants. That thing called god never fights for himself, but leaves it to deluded people like you.

So this is the new order of things. You people think all this new nonsense out to dupe gullible people of their money. We (atheists) are trying to enlighten people of the nonsense of the old sects and people like you are trying hard to develop another one with scientific principles. All you are saying is: this your god survives on scientific stuffs developed by men, and he never decided to give any of this knowledge to his children or servants like you. Get a life, brother! Stop fighting for a king that cannot wield a sword.

theAtheist101:
Ask Allah to send you the picture of heaven. And as for hell, is that not very ignorant of you? You have not bothered to seek the location of the place your "enemies" would go. Please pray to Allah to give you this location.

I answer your Question as far about what I know from Islam

You Atheist focusing on something not related to your faith
Your faith that Almighty don't exist so focus in that point
Any way I answered your Question

LightIndarkness:
I answer your Question as far about what I know from Islam

You Atheist focusing on something not related to your faith
Your faith that Almighty don't exist so focus in that point
Any way I answered your Question

Well, thanks for trying. What I expect from you is conviction not guess work. Seek knowledge and you shall find!