agaugust:



[size=16pt]Thank you very much.

T-129 Ataka beats the old Rooivalk hands down.

Proved.

T-129 wins.....Nigeria is gonna step ahead of Africa !
.[/size]

Your head is supposed to have knocked somewhere. That toy can never stand before rooivalk. Rooivalk carries more payload and has more power, more aggressive and bigger than your toy. Case closed.



http://www.scale-rotors.com/galerie/2-attack-helicopters/3661-denel-csh-2-rooivalk-.html

agaugust:



[size=16pt]Thank you very much.

T-129 Ataka beats the old Rooivalk hands down.

Proved.

T-129 wins.....Nigeria is gonna step ahead of Africa !
.[/size]

How does it beat the rooivalk?

You keep posting it's capabilities and saying it's better

Why can't you tell us HOW it's better?

agaugust:


Radar has made the T-29 far superior to the Rooivalk.

Rooivalk also has no guided rocket pod.

T-129 has superior cannon firepower over the Rooivalk.

The FLIR, cameras, and videos in the T-129 are all more modern than those in the ancient Rooivalk.

Dude, lets put national pride aside, the Turks are selling a better combat helicopter to Nigerian air force, better than the Rooivalk.

You see NAF pilots posing with the T-129 ? Wait till NAF announces the purchase of a squadron, then you can commit s.uicide

Nigerian pilot students with T-129 Ataka in Turkey
[img]http://kokpit.aero//image/data/P1120961.JPG[/img]
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T-129 doesn't come standard with radar

How does guided rocket pod with only 4 missiles make it better? Rooivalk can fire Mokopa or Ingle Zt3 - both are better than sh1tty guided rockets

Rooivalk canoon fires a bigger shell and carries more ammunition - it's better

Rooivalk has FLIR and a 4th Gen image intensifier - so well done on exposing nothing but your lack of knowledge

Again, you keep saying it's better yet you can't tell us HOW it's better

Rooivalk has all the same capabilities, BETTER performance and carries MORE munitions.

Nigeria cannot afford to pay its government workers - let alone buy the T-129

Rooivalk competes with the Z-10, Apache, ka-50(52) and mi-mil28 not your little lightweight

pavri:



T-129 Atak has a protection against 12,7mm AP munitions in cockpit and motor section. Composite rotors are able to withstand against 12,7mm munitions as well.

Atak is inside of light attack helicopter group like Eurocopter tiger and USA AH-1W so Comparing Atak with those copters are more convenient. It is max. take off weights make copters light/heavy class. If costumer requires more agile, manouvrable and active copter on highly mountainous/ difficult terrain conditions to be used against various type of enemy assets, Then It is correct choice to go for light attack helicopters. Europe and Turkey prefers light attack helicopters, While USA hosts both Light and heavy class.

In additions, In terms of power to weight ratio, Atak is one of the most powerfull attack helicopter when It is compared with equivalents Tiger/AH-1W. That's why Turkish pilots call T129 as "Ferrari of sky". Even If Atak is classified as a light attack helicopter, She is able to cope with heavy attack helicopters in terms of some performance specifications such as range, endurance, rate of climb, speed. If you check out some T129 videos, You will see How agile and quick responsible It is.

At present, Turkey commenced trials of T-129 B1 variant which is a multi-role variant (Anti-tank/COIN/Surveillance mission on one platform that 360 degree covered by Electronic warfare sensors and computers to survive against coming missile).



Atak uses two different Anti-tank missile called Mizrak-UIIR(IIR guided fire forget) and Mizrak-UL (Lazer guided) (which is developed by Roketsan) against heavy armoured units . Mizrak tandem warhead is able to penetrate 1100mm+ RHA armours. IIR variant is more expensive than lazer guided variant, since IIR has fire/forget and top attack modes. Atak is able to carry 8 Mizrak missiles but in accordance with mission requirements, It can be increased to 12. It is a satisfied number of anti-tank missile payload When compared with AH-1W and Eurocopter Tiger.



For less armoured units, Turkish missile maker developed a cheaper/smaller precision strike missile called Cirit. The equivalents are under development phase so Cirit is the first 2,75 inch semi active lazer guided missile system of the World and Turkey offers this missile to costumers. United Arab emirated ordered 10,000 Cirit missiles from Turkey.



Out of those missiles, Atak is able to carry 76 unguided rockets. No need to mention Air to air missile payload.

Avionic systems are highly advanced and dijital. T-129 Atak B1 variant is offered with obstacle detection system, lazer based wire detection system and moving map options. MMW radar will be an option since It rises the cost but offers a serious strategic capability to costumers for land target detection/engagement options. Central computer is checking everything instead of you and when copter is under a danger, EW sensors receive the type of data and inform pilots regarding it and automatically generate a counter attack thanks to jammer, chaff, flare munitions.

STM moving map/Realistic 3D navigation mode
[img]http://focusflite.stm.com.tr/upload/Node/1817/xpics/s5.p1.jpg[/img]

Helmet mounted display system is developed by Aselsan. It reflects all neccessary flight parameters to pilots, While control 20mm gathling gun and advanced electro-optic Flir called AselFlir-300T with head movements. AselFlir-300T is able to identify and detect a target with a range from 25km.

[img]http://kokpit.aero//image/cache/data/Resimler/Resimler/aselsan/avci/atakkask2-600x400.jpg[/img]

BTW, Munition stores hosts 600 20mm munitions, not 500.

Atak production documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DFI3fNVqYI

Atak in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9M2SXVaKGY

Nigerian pilot students with T-129 Atak in Turkey
[img]http://kokpit.aero//image/data/P1120961.JPG[/img]

Nothing new here!

Not closed to a chooper that carries:

20 ATGMs and AAMs:

16 ATGMs.
4 AAMs

700 rounds!

Atak = Scout helicopter.

MikeCZAR:
Nothing new here!
Not closed to a chooper that carries:
20 ATGMs and AAMs:
16 ATGMs. 4 AAMs
700 rounds!
Atak = Scout helicopter.

lol... who bought your rooivalk?

iterator24:
lol... who bought your rooivalk?

SAAF bought it and UN rented it. ATAK will not stand a simple AK47 armour piercing rounds.

Slovak Bozena mine clearing units heading for Nigeria
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-05/18/c_134249824.htm

agaugust:


Nope, you never did. It was not SANDF, it was a PMC of civilians, and they NEVER fired one bullet at Boko Haram


QUOTE FROM EBEN BARLOW :

2015/05/18 at 5:09 am

“I note that the magazine “Soldier of Fortune” has now come out stating that STTEP played a role in rescuing the captives in Sambisa forest!
What rubbish they can spew…

Indeed, most of the article is based on assumptions,conjecture, lies and disinformation – something the writer gets paid for.

Neither I nor STTEP have ever claimed anything other than our small role with 72 Mobile Force. Nor have we tried to intimate we were involved in any of the NA successes.”

https://beegeagle./2015/05/14/south-african-mercenaries-and-nigeria-chairman-of-sttep-colonel-eeben-barlow-speaks-to-the-beegeagles-blog-community-on-on-pervasive-false-narratives/

END.

Meanwhile Nigeria, trained SANDF chief of army and air force to lead all your military command and control.

We have your brains inside our pockets, we know all the strategies you can use in war, we trained your top commanders !
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Nice Source Bro ! Do you actually think I would believe anything that comes from that sh!TTY blog?

Fact is Mr Barlow trained your soldiers and also led attacks against BH, Nigeria has nothing on South Africa!!

Secondly our top commanders were moulded and groomed for Commanding roles by Officers of the SADF/SANDF, all Nigeria ever tought them was how to fire an AK.

Centrifude:
And then they'll deny doing it the same way they embarrassed themselves and b*tched out, by denying that they recalled their Ambassador from S.A
They got cold feet after other African Countries didn't flow them.

Recalling our Ambassador/High Commissioner was a grave decision considering that no Nigerian was actually killed,nevertheless,it was the decision of the Senate Assembly to invite our Ambassador over for routine questioning.After which our Ambassador along with the Minister for Foreign affairs spent hours begging the Senate Assembly on your behalf,you should be grateful to them,really.
We really didnt want other African countries to do the same,afterall,we also have investments in SA and other SADC countries,if all African countries neglect SA,it would affect our investments and citizens in not only SA but also SADC region.

patches689:
Do you think south africa cares if ties are severed?
Every time Nigeria freaks out diplomatically it makes us look good - we appear stately, neutral, unemotional while you seem irrational, petulant and short sighted
You forget, Nigeria needs South Africa - we dont need you.

You are a fine one to talk,afterall,you depend on a Nigerian forum to survive and spread ridiculous lies.
As for diplomacy,i say 'lol'!,even the international community was apalled at the level of undiplomatic and amateur behaviour displayed by SA when your foreign minister came out to rail and rant about unfortunate incidents that happened months ago,using painful episodes of our war against BH as medium to vent anger.that is what i call childish and petulant!.
SA needs us more than we need you.

mzilakazi:
Nigeria did not even qualify to be evaluated in this year Maths and Science rankings.

http://m.bbc.com/news/business-32608772?ocid=socialflow_facebook

Really ............ ?
http://www..ng/2015/05/16/nigerian-graduates-with-1st-class-as-best-all-round-student-in-japan-photos/

Nigerian Student Ufot Ekong has broken a 50-yr record in Japan after graduating with 1st class degree and best overall student from Tokai University in Tokyo Japan.

This is the first time a Nigerian could achieve this feat since 1965.In addition to the award,he has developed a car to his name.

He also won Japanese language award for foreigners and solved a mathematical equation that could not be solved 30-yrs ago in his first semester.

Currently he is working with Nissan.

Henry120:


, ......... No, No, he said 1500. Same claims were reiterated by the usual chorus of Patrick (patches689), Mikeczar, Dictatorzar and Syndergp.

I said up to 1000. The highest claim was 1500 with a seleka commander admitting to 250 of his force.

agaugust:


Lynx Mk 89: version for Nigerian navy; equipped for ASW/SAR roles; three built

http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/lynx.php

You see why I embarrassed you on this topic last year, if I call you navy cook or chef now you will be throwing onions and tomatoes at everybody in sight, you don't know that ASW means Anti-Submarine Warfare helicopter and must have sonar, radar, and torpedoes to do the job......my dear navy cook....fry me an egg today, I am hungry o !
.

Does not match up with the pics YOU POSTED.

bidexiii:





Really ............ ?
http://www..ng/2015/05/16/nigerian-graduates-with-1st-class-as-best-all-round-student-in-japan-photos/

Nigerian Student Ufot Ekong has broken a 50-yr record in Japan after graduating with 1st class degree and best overall student from Tokai University in Tokyo Japan.

This is the first time a Nigerian could achieve this feat since 1965.In addition to the award,he has developed a car to his name.

He also won Japanese language award for foreigners and solved a mathematical equation that could not be solved 30-yrs ago in his first semester.

Currently he is working with Nissan.

It is unfortunate that Nigerians will do best in America, UK, Japan, etc, but, not in their home soil simply because their education system is of a substandard. Shame, that does not score you anything because it would have been much better if he was produced to that A+Class level by proudly Nigerian education system, instead, he promoted Japan indirectly.

iterator24:
lol... who bought your rooivalk?

lol....who bought the Gotland class submarine.

patches689:



Except radar - the rooivalk has everysingle one of these capabilities

And thats the current Rooivalk - upgrade to Mk2 status will see it jump ahead again

Nothing impressive about the t-129

Actually, I didn't make anything to impress somebody here. I just introduced the advanced hardware capabilities of Atak along with performance statics. If you pay attention to my statements, You would see that I didn't compare Atak with Rooivalk since It is the Apache and Mi-28 you should compare your Rooivalk to see where you are against those biggest competitors.

Heavy attack helicopters are mainly designed in cold wars to counter huge tank fleet of enemies on large flat areas, That's why They carry more AT missiles than Tiger, SuperCobra and Atak but They are not manouvrable and agile When compared with Light class. Light copters are mainly designed to be a multi-role copters which is able to perform all Anti-tank, surveillance and COIN missions. That is about requirement of countries. Being a light attack helicopter is not a disadvantage over heavy class because Each helicopters come with + and - in its characters but Atak's power to weight ratio is unrivalled. That's why She is moving like a "Ferrari" on air.

Pay attention to maneuvrings on delivery ceremony. Turkish army pilots, operating aH-1W Super Cobra, impressed Atak's performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giqEk5M4WE8

As a remind, Rooivalk was participated into Turkish attack helicopter tender but eliminated cause of being heavy, difficult to maneuvring on hot/high conditions of S. East Turkey and costly maintenance issues and problems to be caused by engine provider. Turkey as a operator of Bell Super Cobra, enjoys impressive capabilities of new copter called T129 Atak.

Besides, I see You are underestimating the capabilities guided 70mm missile called Cirit but It is one of the most effective and cheaper missile solution for operators against all type of light armoured threats and infantry. Today, many countries are developing an equivalent missile system but Turkey's Cirit is the first one which entered serial production before all of them. In trials, Cirit missile hit a moving target (65km/h), While the platform ıt was fired from, was moving over 220km/h.

BTW, Atak is able to carry 19 Cirit missiles, not 4.

For information:


Cirit video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvoirwJm9w

mzilakazi:


ATAK will not stand a simple AK47 armour piercing rounds.

Do you have a source to back up your claims or It is a tradition among you to throw claims based on just your nationalistic feelings ?

patches689:


T-129 doesn't come standard with radar

How does guided rocket pod with only 4 missiles make it better? Rooivalk can fire Mokopa or Ingle Zt3 - both are better than sh1tty guided rockets

Rooivalk canoon fires a bigger shell and carries more ammunition - it's better

Rooivalk has FLIR and a 4th Gen image intensifier - so well done on exposing nothing but your lack of knowledge

Again, you keep saying it's better yet you can't tell us HOW it's better

Rooivalk has all the same capabilities, BETTER performance and carries MORE munitions.

Nigeria cannot afford to pay its government workers - let alone buy the T-129

Rooivalk competes with the Z-10, Apache, ka-50(52) and mi-mil28 not your little lightweight

so Atak has also an all in one Flir called Aselflir-300T which has the biggest resolution among rivals. Which part of my statements are introducing lack of knowledge ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0LO8zojRnQ

pavri:


Do you have a source to back up your claims or It is a tradition among you to throw claims based on just your nationalistic feelings ?

Wonder if your toy will outperform this huge machine armed with mokopa missiles.

mzilakazi:


Wonder if your toy will outperform this huge machine armed with mokopa missiles.

This machine participated into Turkey's attack helicopter tender but eliminated for not fully meeting the Turkish armed forces high/hot difficult terrain requirements cause of being heavy, hard to maneouvring, costly maintenance issues, less power to weight ratio...etc. After that, It is T-129 Atak developed togather with Italy to meet ambitious requirements of Turkish Armed forces. In trials, It is proved that Atak is a beast in difficult terrains. All those means Atak is ahead of Rooivalk If we consider Turkey's requirements but other countries who has some difficult requirements than Turkey, may favour Rooivalk over Atak. It is about your need and will.

pavri:



This machine participated into Turkey's attack helicopter tender but eliminated for not fully meeting the Turkish armed forces high/hot difficult terrain requirements cause of being heavy, hard to maneouvring, costly maintenance issues, less power to weight ratio...etc. After that, It is T-129 Atak developed togather with Italy to meet ambitious requirements of Turkish Armed forces. In trials, It is proved that Atak is a beast in difficult terrains. All those means Atak is ahead of Rooivalk If we consider Turkey's requirements but other countries who has some difficult requirements than Turkey, may favour Rooivalk over Atak. It is about your need and will.

Heaven knows that Turkish machine will not stand before Rooivalk. It is just a light attack helicopter.

bidexiii:





Really ............ ?
http://www..ng/2015/05/16/nigerian-graduates-with-1st-class-as-best-all-round-student-in-japan-photos/

Nigerian Student Ufot Ekong has broken a 50-yr record in Japan after graduating with 1st class degree and best overall student from Tokai University in Tokyo Japan.

This is the first time a Nigerian could achieve this feat since 1965.In addition to the award,he has developed a car to his name.

He also won Japanese language award for foreigners and solved a mathematical equation that could not be solved 30-yrs ago in his first semester.

Currently he is working with Nissan.

This means nothing because he won't help build Nigeria. He will just be another brain-drain statistic as to be expected from Nigeria. Be it in soccer or academia or science. Nigeria is left to suffer while the brightest run off to other countries. Nigeria's problem is not a lack of capable people. It's a lack of organisation. A lack of brains, from that angle. So, again, this is meaningless.

You don't hear us screaming about people like Siyabulela Xuza and the like. http://www.leadershiponline.co.za/articles/siyabulela-xusa-10414.html

Mzilikazi is right.

http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFKBN0O40YZ20150519

South Africa to start 9,600 MW nuclear procurement process this year

CAPE TOWN (Reuters) - South Africa will start the process to procure a nuclear fleet to generate 9,600 megawatts of power this year, the energy minister said on Tuesday, as Africa's most advanced economy battles an energy crunch.

To meet its targeted nuclear generation capacity, South Africa plans to build six new nuclear power plants by 2030 at a cost estimated between 400 billion rand and 1 trillion rand ($34-$84 billion).

"We expect to present the outcome of this procurement process to cabinet by year-end," Energy Minister Tina Joemat-Pettersson told parliament, adding that the exercise would be carried out in a "fair and transparent" manner.

South Africa has signed nuclear power deals with various countries, including France, China, South Korea and the United States after surprising energy watchers in September when it announced a deal with Russia to build plants worth $10 billion.

Government officials were compelled then to clarify it was in fact just the early stages of a long procurement process, after opposition parties suggested official procurement rules were being flouted.

Joemat-Pettersson also said South Africa, which runs the continent's only nuclear power station near Cape Town, would also re-establish its nuclear fuel cycle industry.

This would include developing domestic uranium enrichment and conversion plants as well as nuclear fuel production sites in a country with vast uranium reserves.

pavri:


Actually, I didn't make anything to impress somebody here. I just introduced the advanced hardware capabilities of Atak along with performance statics. If you pay attention to my statements, You would see that I didn't compare Atak with Rooivalk since It is the Apache and Mi-28 you should compare your Rooivalk to see where you are against those biggest competitors.

Heavy attack helicopters are mainly designed in cold wars to counter huge tank fleet of enemies on large flat areas, That's why They carry more AT missiles than Tiger, SuperCobra and Atak but They are not manouvrable and agile When compared with Light class. Light copters are mainly designed to be a multi-role copters which is able to perform all Anti-tank, surveillance and COIN missions. That is about requirement of countries. Being a light attack helicopter is not a disadvantage over heavy class because Each helicopters come with + and - in its characters but Atak's power to weight ratio is unrivalled. That's why She is moving like a "Ferrari" on air.

Pay attention to maneuvrings on delivery ceremony. Turkish army pilots, operating aH-1W Super Cobra, impressed Atak's performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giqEk5M4WE8

As a remind, Rooivalk was participated into Turkish attack helicopter tender but eliminated cause of being heavy, difficult to maneuvring on hot/high conditions of S. East Turkey and costly maintenance issues and problems to be caused by engine provider. Turkey as a operator of Bell Super Cobra, enjoys impressive capabilities of new copter called T129 Atak.

Besides, I see You are underestimating the capabilities guided 70mm missile called Cirit but It is one of the most effective and cheaper missile solution for operators against all type of light armoured threats and infantry. Today, many countries are developing an equivalent missile system but Turkey's Cirit is the first one which entered serial production before all of them. In trials, Cirit missile hit a moving target (65km/h), While the platform ıt was fired from, was moving over 220km/h.

BTW, Atak is able to carry 19 Cirit missiles, not 4.

For information:


Cirit video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvoirwJm9w

With regards to your statements about heavy v light attack helicopters I completely agree - its what I have been trying to tell these clowns for ages.

With regards to performance, the Rooivalk outperforms the ATAK. It has a higher max speed, cruise speed, range, the same service ceiling and a comparable rate of climb.

Rooivalk was eliminated due to political issues (South Africa cancelled a massive arms transfer to Turkey in the 90's) and due to the fact that it contains french components.

Cirit is nothing impressive - ZT3 can do the same, offers more penetration, is combat tested and is reasonably cheap.

I doubt your Atak can carry 19 since the Cirit launcher of that category is still under development

pavri:


so Atak has also an all in one Flir called Aselflir-300T which has the biggest resolution among rivals. Which part of my statements are introducing lack of knowledge ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0LO8zojRnQ

Are you Augustus?

Now, be a good lad and give us some citations.

It looks like T-129 stole some of its designs from the first Rooivalk before it was modified.

What do you think?

mzilakazi:


SAAF bought it and UN rented it. ATAK will not stand a simple AK47 armour piercing rounds.

what choice did you have?

MikeCZAR:
lol....who bought the Gotland class submarine.

How many countries buy submarine in this world? Almost every country buys helicopters, even Sierra Leone bought combat helicopter.

Rooivalk sales in 25 years = 12 units
T-129 sales in 5 years = 60 units.....and more to be sold soon to Nigeria and Pakistan.

Rooivalk is obsolete and a failure
.

agaugust:


How many countries buy submarine in this world? Almost every country buys helicopters, even Sierra Leone bought combat helicopter.

Rooivalk sales in 25 years = 12 units
T-129 sales in 5 years = 60 units.....and more to be sold soon to Nigeria and Pakistan.

Rooivalk is obsolete and a failure
.

41 countries operate submarines

Only countries who can afford submarines operate submarines

Just like only countries who can afford advanced attack helo's operate advanced attack helos.

Now - you say the rooivalk is obsolete. HOW is it obsolete?

Since it has the same technological capabilities as the T129 - that means that the ATAK is obsolete as well!

iterator24:
what choice did you have?

It was designed specifically for the SAAF

The SAAF demanded it and then guided its development from the inception of the program

pavri:


Actually, I didn't make anything to impress somebody here. I just introduced the advanced hardware capabilities of Atak along with performance statics. If you pay attention to my statements, You would see that I didn't compare Atak with Rooivalk since It is the Apache and Mi-28 you should compare your Rooivalk to see where you are against those biggest competitors.

Heavy attack helicopters are mainly designed in cold wars to counter huge tank fleet of enemies on large flat areas, That's why They carry more AT missiles than Tiger, SuperCobra and Atak but They are not manouvrable and agile When compared with Light class. Light copters are mainly designed to be a multi-role copters which is able to perform all Anti-tank, surveillance and COIN missions. That is about requirement of countries. Being a light attack helicopter is not a disadvantage over heavy class because Each helicopters come with + and - in its characters but Atak's power to weight ratio is unrivalled. That's why She is moving like a "Ferrari" on air.

Pay attention to maneuvrings on delivery ceremony. Turkish army pilots, operating aH-1W Super Cobra, impressed Atak's performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giqEk5M4WE8

As a remind, Rooivalk was participated into Turkish attack helicopter tender but eliminated cause of being heavy, difficult to maneuvring on hot/high conditions of S. East Turkey and costly maintenance issues and problems to be caused by engine provider. Turkey as a operator of Bell Super Cobra, enjoys impressive capabilities of new copter called T129 Atak.

Besides, I see You are underestimating the capabilities guided 70mm missile called Cirit but It is one of the most effective and cheaper missile solution for operators against all type of light armoured threats and infantry. Today, many countries are developing an equivalent missile system but Turkey's Cirit is the first one which entered serial production before all of them. In trials, Cirit missile hit a moving target (65km/h), While the platform ıt was fired from, was moving over 220km/h.

BTW, Atak is able to carry 19 Cirit missiles, not 4.

For information:


Cirit video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvoirwJm9w

[size=16pt]

T-129 carries more modern weapons and avionics than the Rooivalk.

The Rooivalk is a 1980s concept helicopter with old 1990s equipment.

T-129 does back flips in the air, that combat maneuver will break the Rooivalk into pieces
.[/size]

patches689:


It was designed specifically for the SAAF

Good point, that is why ONLY South African air force bought the Rooivalk. The concept is NOT good enough for any other air force.

I love your confession + suicide
.