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elampiro:
How did Rooney come into this.

According to opta stats, Young had 7 goals and 10 Assists. I dont know where you are adding salt and pepper from.

liar!
where did you see young's 7 goals & 10 assists when every dog in town knows he had up to 16 assists that year. whoscored cannot provide you such stats & now you have turned to lying?

Just because we can't source data to argue 2007/2008, your lies can be allowed to fly as story for the gods, for the gods ooo.

16 salt and pepper assists. deflections, rebounds, miss attempts scored by team mates are added. Our standard here has been opta assists- Well intended assists.

young copped 17 assists in 07/08.
it is well documented, just because you dunno how to look for stats does not mean you should lie here to sway arguments.

this is the table for goals/assists in 07/08.
only fabregas copped more assists than young that season & both of them made the PFA team deservedly that year.

coogar:
use your common sense, please.
young doesn't have to be substituted to play another role. he can fill in for a player that got substituted. if agbonlahor gets substituted late in the game, young can fill his space while the sub that came on would go to young's former position.

8 goals/16 assists for a club like villa as a winger is an excellent number no matter how you colour it. we have a fat charlatan in our number 10 earning £300k/week, he has never notched such assist number in his 12-year career as a professional footballer.

Lies. whoscored formation records only starting formations. They get their formation from opta, them after 1-5 minutes of game, they either leave it or adjust it according to what they see on the pitch. Even if there are changes 10 minutes later, it wont reflect in their formation. I have studied them for a long time. I opened whoscored during matches and I see how every player marks and stats change as games are played. Whoscored get their formations right over 90% of the time.

See here for instance: http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/829880/Live

Here Phil Jones was substituted after 4 minutes, Blind too after 38 minutes. Herrera came on and Rooney moved to DM. Smalling went to defence but whoscored did not reflect these changes. Till thy kingdom come, the starting players are left in their positions.

Our match against Burnley Blind

Man united need to strengthen their squad wit a good dmf, a deep lying playmaker, a CB and a Centre forward.. But our biggest problem is still the pop belly_bald headed captain.. Jag of all trades master of none. Just de block players chances anyhow..

elampiro:
Lies. whoscored formation records only starting formations. They get their formation from opta, them after 1-5 minutes of game, they either leave it or adjust it according to what they see on the pitch. Even if there are changes 10 minutes later, it wont reflect in their formation. I have studied them for a long time. I opened whoscored during matches and I see how every player marks and stats change as games are played. Whoscored get their formations right over 90% of the time.

See here for instance: http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/829880/Live

Here Phil Jones was substituted after 4 minutes, Blind too after 38 minutes. Herrera came on and Rooney moved to DM. Smalling went to defence but whoscored did not reflect these changes. Till thy kingdom come, the starting players are left in their positions.

Our match against Burnley Blind

so who made whoscored the gospel?
was whoscored functioning in 10/11? wouldn't they have just bought or copied formation from other various sources before any adjustment/editing can be made in live games after they started functioning?

you are not using logic to type!

weedtaker:
Man united need to strengthen their squad wit a good dmf, a deep lying playmaker, a CB and a Centre forward.. But our biggest problem is still the pop belly_bald headed captain.. Jag of all trades master of none. Just de block players chances anyhow..

rooney is 2nd the most useless striker in the squad now. the excuses were he wasn't played as a centre forward, van persie's injury gave rooney that opportunity & he produced nothing apart from the brilliant goal against spurs @OT!

how can you have a forward player that has only scored 1 away goal in the league all season. even the cripple falcao has scored 2 away goals, van persie has scored more than 2 away goals. he's not producing & his constant presence in the squad won't even allow us to go out & buy.

any striker would consider his chances before coming here. they know rooney is the captain & he would always play if fit - regardless of productivity. this is an area LVG must address next season. this is another unforgivable sin SAF committed before retiring. he shoulda flogged him off to dynamo kiev when he had the chance.

elampiro:
If whoscored says a player played in the Attacking Midfield Centre in a match, it means that player started from that position. Even if he were to be moved to another position later due to substitutions or changed in tactics. Nobody can tell me anything about whoscored. I have read it long and well enough. I opened it down then see how scores are changing every minute and after every incidence.

Ashley Young was Villa's Attacking Midfielder in 2010/2011 in all their formations. This was his major position that season.

He was their only player out of 23 tagged with AM(C) in 2009/2010.

The above are the only two seasons we can get from records. The so called productivity from the wings is a scam!

even if he operated in the centre like you claim(let's assume you are right for argument's sake), why is an obese money grabber called rooney hasnt notched up to 16/17 league assists since 2003?

according to your various evidence you have provided, rooney has been in that role mostly for united so he gets excused for his lack of goals in comparison to other strikers. how come rooney cannot cop 16 league assists in one season?

coogar:
even if he operated in the centre like you claim(let's assume you are right for argument's sake), why is an obese money grabber called rooney hasnt notched up to 16/17 league assists since 2003?

now it's Rooney time. From Rooney we have .............? (we'll find out soon).

Sunderland for the win. A draw is unacceptable plis..

UniqueGem:
now it's Rooney time. From Rooney we have .............? (we'll find out soon).

the list is extensive....

the 7 sinners

di maria
rooney
jones
rafael
shaw
carrick
evans

@elampawa.....
i was bugging. i just realised my opta archive went as far as 10/11 season. i found out you have been trolling us with your misappropriation of facts.

what do you have to say to this?
do you still have young as a number 10 in 10/11 or are you going to edit your web of lies?

coogar:
so who made whoscored the gospel?
was whoscored functioning in 10/11? wouldn't they have just bought or copied formation from other various sources before any adjustment/editing can be made in live games after they started functioning?

you are not using logic to type!

When you see whoscored say something try and see if formation websites back it up.

1. Introducing…the central winger?
December 3, 2010

A clear contradiction in terms, but it’s not as ludicrous as it might seem.

One of the key trends of the last decade was the struggle of the classic number ten, the central playmaker who would generally play in behind the strikers. The reasons for this have been discussed before – from the popularity of the “Makelele role” that saw playmakers struggle for space, to the predominance of counter-attacking football that discouraged the thoughtfulness of a Juan Riquelme, to the popularity of the 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 – there seemed to be a general trend against trequartistas. Players who would have been No 10s often moved out wide, or played deeper in midfield, or were even used as false nines.

However, this summer’s World Cup confirmed the predominance of the 4-2-3-1, with three of the four semi-finalists (Spain, Germany, Holland) all using this system. This, of course, requires a central playmaker, and Xavi, Mesut Özil and Wesley Sneijder were widely regarded as three of the stars of the competition.

So, we now have a situation where arguably the major formation of today features a type of player that has been overlooked in recent years.

Examples
For some clubs, this is not a problem – players who played elsewhere a couple of years ago have simply been moved to play as a number ten, in some cases now playing in their ”natural’ position ‘in the hole’ in 4-2-3-1s. Wesley Sneijder was often used on the wing at Real Madrid, but when Jose Mourinho took him to Inter, the side was built around him regardless of whether it was 4-3-1-2 or 4-2-3-1.

But elsewhere, we are seeing players who have spent their formative years as wingers being played in the central playmaking role this season. Examples include Ashley Young at Aston Villa, Aaron Hunt at Werder Bremen, Adem Ljajic at Fiorentina, Jesper Gronkjaer at Copenhagen and Mathieu Valbuena at Marseille.

The result is that these players interpret the playmaker position differently. Rather than staying central and trying to find space in between the lines, they drift to the flanks and pick the ball up there. This was how Ozil thrived last season at Werder Bremen. Raphael Honigstein described him as “a one-man source of creativity and surprise. Operating behind the strikers, he’s both a playmaker and an auxiliary winger; his intelligent runs provide the width that should be missing in Thomas Schaaf’s diamond formation.”

Evidence
With the use of Chalkboards, we find that there is more to this idea than mere theory. Gerard Houllier has stated his belief that Young can become a top class playmaker for Aston Villa, playing just behind a main striker. But take his passing Chalkboard from a game earlier this season, against Wolves, where he constantly drifts to the flank. For comparison purposes, it is placed side-by-side with Steven Gerrard (someone who has played the central attacking midfield role for years), in a rare occasion he has been used just off Fernando Torres this season:

Source: Zonal Marking.
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Aston Villa 1-0 Man City: Bent strikes on debut
January 22, 2011
Formations
The home side were set out in a 4-1-4-1 shape, with Stiliyan Petrov playing as the holding man ahead of the defence. Young played very deep – rather than staying up as a link between the midfield and Bent, he dropped alongside Downing and spent much of the game inside his own half.
Zonal Marking.




















Ayagayagayagayo hei, Ayagayagayagayo. Good night.

Aston Villa 1-0 Man City: Bent strikes on debut
January 22, 2011
Formations
The home side were set out in a 4-1-4-1 shape, with Stiliyan Petrov playing as the holding man ahead of the defence. Young played very deep – rather than staying up as a link between the midfield and Bent, he dropped alongside Downing and spent much of the game inside his own half.

according to elampawa, this position is number-10.....even when it says young wasn't the link between the midfield and the striker. this is super-hilarious.

OPTA stats have found you out that you were telling a lie yet again. young was on the wing plenty of times that season. this was their line up when they beat arsenal 2-1 @the emirates that season.

Now Elamps don join arguement...*Sigh*
The last time he and Coogar went one-on-one, it lasted for like a week...*sigh*
*Still on my chair* *Grabs more juice & Chin-Chin*

as if that wasn't enough, this was their line up against west brom & wigan that season. elampiro don disappear.

Possession:
Arsenal 74:36 Sunderland

Arsenal the new Possession FC

Arsenal's draw tonight is why we ought to have beat them.

coogar:
even if he operated in the centre like you claim(let's assume you are right for argument's sake), why is an obese money grabber called rooney hasnt notched up to 16/17 league assists since 2003?

according to your various evidence you have provided, rooney has been in that role mostly for united so he gets excused for his lack of goals in comparison to other strikers. how come rooney cannot cop 16 league assists in one season?

If Rooney is not Assisting he is Scoring. Rooney has never played 37 (3306 minutes) matches for us sef.

1. OPTA
Rooney had 12 goals, 10 Assist in 2020 minutes In 2012/13 from the AM.
Young 7 goals, 10 Assist in 3306 minutes in 2010/2011 from the AM.

2. Rooney, Mata and Carzola had the highest Assists in 2012/13.
Carzola needed 300 minutes
Mata needed needed 228 minutes
Rooney needed 202 minutes to provide an Assist.

This tells me Rooney had the highest Assist in 2012/13.


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This is not about Rooney. It's about your scam!

elampiro:
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Examples
....Examples include Ashley Young at Aston Villa, Aaron Hunt at Werder Bremen, Adem Ljajic at Fiorentina, Jesper Gronkjaer at Copenhagen and Mathieu Valbuena at Marseille.[/b]
The result is that these players interpret the playmaker position differently. Rather than staying central and trying to find space in between the lines, they drift to the flanks and pick the ball up there. This was how Ozil thrived last season at Werder Bremen. Raphael Honigstein described him as “a one-man source of creativity and surprise. Operating behind the strikers, he’s both a playmaker and an auxiliary winger; his intelligent runs provide the width that should be missing in Thomas Schaaf’s diamond formation.”
Source: Zonal Marking.
Ayagayagayagayo hei, Ayagayagayagayo. Good night.

elampiro:
If Rooney is not Assisting he is Scoring. Rooney has never played 37 (3306 minutes) matches for us sef.

1. OPTA
Rooney had 12 goals, 10 Assist in 2020 minutes In 2012/13 from the AM.
Young 7 goals, 10 Assist in 3306 minutes in 2010/2011 from the AM.

2. Rooney, Mata and Carzola had the highest Assists in 2012/13.
Carzola needed 300 minutes
Mata needed needed 228 minutes
Rooney needed 202 minutes to provide an Assist.

This tells me Rooney had the highest Assist in 2012/13.


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This is not about Rooney. It's about your scam!

so we have rooney - the best number 10 in the PL according to you. he's never topped the golden boot charts & he's never topped the assist chart in 12 seasons.

to make things worse......
rooney scored only 1 away goal all season. when are you ever going to admit rooney is a scam like prophet guru mahraji.

elampawa: The result is that these players interpret the playmaker position differently. Rather than staying central and trying to find space in between the lines, they drift to the flanks and pick the ball up there.

how is this different to what silva, hazard, kagawa & nasri do. how many times have these players operated like an out & out winger e.g. tony valencia?

you are a criminal!

good to be here

codedguy1:
Arsenal's draw tonight is why we ought to have beat them.

mtchew thanks to Blackett - the I-don't-care teenager

Some points made about Rooney here are true.Rooney like i always say is like a poisoned chalice because "my captain shall always play"according to Van Gaal
Bt d issue is :where will he play exactly?In midfield? HELL NO..As a striker he is decent bt not as agile and deadly as Aguero,Costa and Suarez..so Rooney shud avan upgrade for his pposition and he is only going to get worse not improve.My only hope is dt d new summer signings can get him firing because lets b frank Rooney is an albatross in our necks.Dt is all we can hope for because" he shall always play"

SailorXY:
mtchew thanks to Blackett - the I-don't-care teenager

the own goal wasn't his fault though - the dude is just cursed. his only flaw was not keeping up with the others in the defence line. if he had stepped up before that pass was made, theo walcott woulda been caught offside.

rojo wasn't going to complete 90 mins since he just got back from a long lay-off. in hindsight, maybe mcnair could have been brought in next to smalling with calamity jones going to the left back position.

arsenal woulda taken today's match more seriously if we had beaten them though. there's no way arsenal would need 3 points to finish 3rd against sunderland @the emirates and not get those points. they dumbed down tonight cos there's nothing to play for.

Kemizee:
Some points made about Rooney here are true.Rooney like i always say is like a poisoned chalice because "my captain shall always play"according to Van Gaal
Bt d issue is :where will he play exactly?In midfield? HELL NO..As a striker he is decent bt not as agile and deadly as Aguero,Costa and Suarez..so Rooney shud avan upgrade for his pposition and he is only going to get worse not improve.My only hope is dt d new summer signings can get him firing because lets b frank Rooney is an albatross in our necks.Dt is all we can hope for because" he shall always play"

there's no need to indulge rooney.
considering how much he makes per week, rooney is the worst player in the premier league by a distance. when you look at aguero, suarez, costa, sanchez, etc.....they always show one level above their teammates. even when the general performance is poor, those star players rise above the obstacles and produce a rare moment of brilliance per game.

you can never find such with rooney.
he just plods around like a fool. he lacks pace, he cannot make straight line passes to the attack & his football intelligence is subzero. let's even assume we sack RVP & falcao. which level would you put rooney in comparison to the other forwards in europe? he would be in level 1 in my own opinion.


level 6: ronaldo, messi

level 5: suarez, aguero, ibra, robben

level 4: neymar, tevez, van persie, benzema, costa, lewandowski, lacazette, ribery

level 3: higuain, cavani, mandzukic, giroud, kane, reus, sturridge

level 2: huntelaar, dzeko, jackson martinez, chicharito

level 1: welbeck, rooney, emenike, lukaku, remy, charlie austin

coogar:
as if that wasn't enough, this was their line up against west brom & wigan that season. elampiro don disappear.

Cooleydied Toirtoise,

How many times have I proven to you n the past that OPTA starting formation can't be relied upon for post match analysis. It's a presumed formation from starting 11 announced.

You remember when I told u this and we experimented thrice. They put Ozil in the whole against Bayern last season, but Ozil played in the wing. Whoscored were sensible to adjust theirs after 3 minutes. Same on Kagawa in the wing and Januzaj in the whole I think against swansea, but opta had Kagawa in the hole.

This is why post match tactics stats is to be relied on, like ZM, which in this case confirmed what who scored had for Young in 2010.11. Young played in Central attacking midfield.

Loll.dis is so humorous.I undastand wat u mean bt surely he is better dan level 2.He is around level 4.At least he is more mobile dan RVP who has bcome slower dan my Granny.Lacazette still has a lot to prove tho and Rooney is better dan Dzeko,Emenike,Welbeck,Lukaku...
he is indisputedly not in level 1 and 2 bt I can fit him into 3 bt d classification is jst abt right.u jst need to move some pipl down d ladder and some up bt its abt okay

coogar:
so we have rooney - the best number 10 in the PL according to you. he's never topped the golden boot charts & he's never topped the assist chart in 12 seasons.

to make things worse......
rooney scored only 1 away goal all season. when are you ever going to admit rooney is a scam like prophet guru mahraji.



how is this different to what silva, hazard, kagawa & nasri do. how many times have these players operated like an out & out winger e.g. tony valencia?

you are a criminal!

1. Is this about Rooney? Stop diverting attention.

2. I am not accusing Young of drifting. I was reemphasizing my earlier post of ZM that he played in the wing butthe upper part cut off.

Kemizee:
Loll.dis is so humorous.I undastand wat u mean bt surely he is better dan level 2.He is around level 4.At least he is more mobile dan RVP who has bcome slower dan my Granny.Lacazette still has a lot to prove tho and Rooney is better dan Dzeko,Emenike,Welbeck,Lukaku...
he is indisputedly not in level 1 and 2 bt I can fit him into 3

so why should a club as massive as us be contented with a level-3 forward as our number one striker. we will never win a spoon with that kind of logic.

elampiro:
Cooleydied Toirtoise,
How many times have I proven to you n the past that OPTA starting formation can't be relied upon for post match analysis. It's a presumed formation from starting 11 announced.

you are talking nonsense.
i can post all the passes ashley young received in those games one after the other. this is opta, not something i copied from your decrepit websites who dunno what they are doing.

You remember when I told u this and we experimented thrice. They put Ozil in the whole against Bayern last season, but Ozil played in the wing. Whoscored were sensible to adjust theirs after 3 minutes. Same on Kagawa in the wing and Januzaj in the whole I think against swansea, but opta had Kagawa in the hole.
This is why post match tactics stats is to be relied on, like ZM, which in this case confirmed what who scored had for Young in 2010.11. Young played in Central attacking midfield.

all you said above is trash!
like i said, all the passes young received in 10/11 is within reach. where he received his passes would show where he played, nor be so? if i start posting those images now, you would log off & lie your computer's battery died on you.

coogar:
according to elampawa, this position is number-10.....even when it says young wasn't the link between the midfield and the striker. this is super-hilarious.

OPTA stats have found you out that you were telling a lie yet again. young was on the wing plenty of times that season. this was their line up when they beat arsenal 2-1 @the emirates that season.

How many times have I proven to you in the past that OPTA starting formation is inaccurate as it's presumed from the starting eleven announced? You remember we did experiment and I won thrice. One was when Ozil was put in the number 10 vs Bayern Munich but in the match he was in the wing. Whoscored adjusted theirs rightly after 3 minutes of play. Also same way they put Kagawa in the number 10 instead of Januzaj. I think against Swansea.

This is why tactics sites like Zonal Marking are the best to rely upon. Again we have ZM confirming whoscored formation that Young played the number 10 in 2010/2011 season. See below in case you didnt see it in my earlier post.

"But elsewhere, we are seeing players who have spent their formative years as wingers being played in the central playmaking role this season (2010/2011). Examples include Ashley Young at Aston Villa, Aaron Hunt at Werder Bremen, Adem Ljajic at Fiorentina, Jesper Gronkjaer at Copenhagen and Mathieu Valbuena at Marseille."










Coogar pls give up already. This one is too obvious.

Lolll@ Rooney like Guru Ma Haji...lolll.1 away goal.dts one of d humorous things av heard

coogar:
you are talking nonsense.
i can post all the passes ashley young received in those games one after the other. this is opta, not something i copied from your decrepit websites who dunno what they are doing.
.

You are the one talking trash. Zonal Marking and whoscored said the same thing that Young played as an AM in 2010/2011. Zonal Marking is a post match analysis platform. Whoscored try to be precise as the match kick off.

coogar:
all you said above is trash!
like i said, all the passes young received in 10/11 is within reach. where he received his passes would show where he played, nor be so? if i start posting those images now, you would log off & lie your computer's battery died on you.

So also Ozil and Silva will show they receive passes in the sides rather in the middle because they drift wide.

I can also post ZM several 2010/11 matches to back.

elampiro:
You are the one talking trash. Zonal Marking and whoscored said the same thing that Young played as an AM in 2010/2011. Zonal Marking is a post match analysis platform. Whoscored try to be precise as the match kick off.

you are a pathological liar.
zonal marking never said young played in the middle of the pack.

So also Ozil and Silva will show they receive passes in the sides rather in the middle because they drift wide.

I can also post ZM several 2010/11 matches to back.

so if they drift wide & receive their passes from wide positions, how the hell are they playing centrally? can you not see you have shot yourself in the foot?

how could young have played centrally when all the passes he received were near the touch line on the left. this is how liars are caught in public. opta stats is superior to any opinion site you can scoop out. this is the official monitors of the passes young received in 10/11.

he was a winger.

Ashley Young pls loosen ur grip on dis Man United House.I pray thee.

coogar:
you are a pathological liar.
zonal marking never said young played in the middle of the pack.



so if they drift wide & receive their passes from wide positions, how the hell are they playing centrally? can you not see you have shot yourself in the foot?

how could young have played centrally when all the passes he received were near the touch line on the left. this is how liars are caught in public. opta stats is superior to any opinion site you can scoop out. this is the official monitors of the passes young received in 10/11.

he was a winger.

This doesnt tell whether a player was used as an AM or a winger. If you put Silva vs Man United last season when they beat us 3-0 you will get same result.

You have only posted 2. Until you post over 25 before we can have an overall picture.

Kemizee:
Ashley Young pls loosen ur grip on dis Man United House.I pray thee.

no need to fret!
it's the season where liars would be exposed. he musta thought i didnt have access to the stats of that particular 10/11 season.

these are the other games young played that season too. is this a number-10?